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RANDY HULTGREN, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF ILLINOIS HON. JAMES P. McGOVERN, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF MASSACHUSETTS Mr. Yoder. Gentlemen, welcome back to the committee. I note that you were some of our witnesses last year when we had our first open hearing and had a number of topics that we worked on based on those hearings. One of them was your support and advocacy for the Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission. I think we were able to make some progres KEL McCLANAHAN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, NATIONAL SECURITY COUNSELORS MANDY SMITHBERGER, DIRECTOR OF THE CENTER FOR DEFENSE INFORMATION SAMANTHA FEINSTEIN, GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY PROJECT Mr. Yoder. Okay. As part of our open hearing effort this morning, we are going to take testimony from a number of members of the public who have issues they would like to bring before Congress and they would like to have this committee consider. We have broken those witnesses down in four different panels, and we years ago, 199 GAO staffers had top secret clearances. Ninety- six had sensitive compartmented information clearances. In 2018, when I checked yesterday, there were a total of 35 Senate Select Committee on Intelligence staffers and a total of JOHN PARE, NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND GREG LAMBERT, PRESIDENT, THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF LAW LIBRARIES KEVIN KOSAR, VICE PRESIDENT OF POLICY, R STREET INSTITUTE Mr. Yoder. We will call forward the second panel, which will be dealing with topics on the Library of Congress. I call forward John Pare, Greg Lambert, and Kevin Kosar. Gentlemen, welcome to the committee. Thank you for taking the time to testify today. I will note that your testimony will be placed in the record. So, to the exte request includes $1.8 million to strengthen the capacity of the Law Library of Congress. The Law Library is the world leader in providing access to reliable legal materials in print and electronic formats, and it must have adequate funding to meet the needs of Congress, the Supreme Court, and other court judges, attorneys, and the public. The Law Librarian must also be able to function with some autonomy within the Library of Congress, as she is the leader of the de facto National Law Library. I analysts, after about 4, 5 years left; head of the Human Resources Unit left; so have various analysts and attorneys. And these are not folks who are just kind of happily going off into retirement to go fishing. No, these are people often mid-career, even earlier in their career, who have just kind of had enough and left. The turnover at CRS and the loss of good employees is bad for the agency. It is bad for Congress, and it is expensive. It costs a lot to on-board and train a new employee. That DANIEL SCHUMAN, DEMAND PROGRESS JOSH TAUBERER, CIVIC IMPULSE LLC SHEILA KRUMHOLZ, CENTER FOR RESPONSIVE POLITICS Mr. Yoder. We are now going to move on to our third panel this morning, and I will call before the committee Daniel Schuman, Josh Tauberer, and Sheila Krumholz, who will all be testifying related to operations of the House of Representatives. Welcome to the committee. Welcome back to the committee for some. Appreciate your interest in testifying today and look forward to hearing your ZACH GRAVES, DIRECTOR OF TECHNOLOGY POLICY, R STREET INSTITUTE TIM LORDAN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, INTERNET EDUCATION FOUNDATION Mr. Yoder. Okay. Committee, we have our fourth and final panel, and I will now call to the table Mr. Zach Graves and Mr. Tim Lordan. Welcome to the committee, gentlemen. I would like to go ahead and start with Mr. Graves, Director of Technology Policy at the R Street Institute. Mr. Graves. Chairman Yoder, Ranking Member Ryan, and members of the committee, thank you for con challenges in each district in--each congressional district all across America. Some urban districts, but also many rural districts, like Congressman Ryan's district, Chairman Greg Harper from the Committee on House Administration's district in Mississippi, all over the place. So they are not like urban centers. They are reaching into--using the strength of the Member office, they are reaching into the districts in America to inspire students. And, frankly, as we saw last week at House of Code, were Congresswoman Ros-Lehtinen and Congressman Ryan. He was the chair. So, in a way, I am here because he was so successful at doubling participation. This project is kind of hard to administer. To have--about 5,000 students participated last year, about 1,250 apps were created by students, and it has just been incredibly difficult to manage that entire process. The art competition is relatively simple. If we had the art competition--we could do an art competition right now and five students wo SUSAN TSUI GRUNDMANN Mr. Yoder. The subcommittee will come to order. Thank you everybody for attending this hearing on the Office of Compliance. This is our fifth hearing, hearing in the last week or so as we work on our fiscal year 2019 appropriations legislation. And so we appreciate Ms. Grundmann coming to attend the hearing today. I don't believe we had a hearing with you last year. It is my first year chairing the committee so we are thankful that you are here this year. I know from time to true 30-357 Committee on Appropriations Appropriations Subcommittee on Legislative Branch ROBERT B. ADERHOLT of Alabama Robert B. Aderholt Aderholt, Robert B. Robert Aderholt MARK E. AMODEI of Nevada Mark E. Amodei Amodei, Mark E. Mark Amodei PETE AGUILAR of California Pete Aguilar Aguilar, Pete SANFORD D. BISHOP, Jr. of Georgia Sanford D. Bishop, Jr. Bishop, Sanford D. Sanford Bishop Sanford D. 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