[Weekly Compilation of Presidential Documents Volume 44, Number 24 (Monday, June 23, 2008)]
[Pages 845-850]
[Online from the Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]
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The President's News Conference With President Nicolas Sarkozy of France
in Paris, France
June 14, 2008
President Sarkozy. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for coming to
work with us on this Saturday morning. I wanted to thank President Bush
for his visit to Paris on his European tour. I see there how much
importance he attaches to Franco-American relations and the
transatlantic relation. And I think everyone should firmly bear in mind
the importance of this transatlantic relation between the United States
and Europe, especially as we celebrate the 60th anniversary of the
Marshall plan. This is an opportunity for me to extend the same sort of
hospitality, warm hospitality that was extended to me last November when
I went to Washington and to Mount Vernon.
It's also an opportunity to continue to pursue this confident,
trusting, regular dialog between France and the United States on all
issues that we have in common--and there are so many of them. We had an
extended discussion on the international situation on the Middle East,
but also on economic and trade matters. We checked that--once again saw
that there were many areas of convergence, although perhaps slight
differences, and that's only right and normal. Friendship should not
prevent France or the United States from expressing independent views.
But if there are differences, we can discuss them calmly in a level-
headed manner. And this is once again an opportunity for me to say to
the American people the deep gratitude of the French people and our
friendship.
President Bush. Yesterday I reminded the world, really, Nicolas,
that America's first friend was France. And frankly, we wouldn't be
where we are today without French support early in our Revolution. You
are not only our first friend, you've been a consistent friend. And the
meetings here have reconfirmed and strengthened our friendship between
our countries and our personal friendship.
I really enjoy being with President Sarkozy. He's an interesting
guy. [Laughter] He is full of energy. He's full of wisdom. He tells me
what's on his mind. And we've had--every time I've met with him, we've
had very meaningful discussions. We discussed Afghanistan. And thank you
very much for supporting the Paris support conference. It made a big
difference for that young democracy. And I do thank the people of France
for supporting the women and children and the young democrats in
Afghanistan. And thank you too, Nicolas.
We talked about Lebanon, of course. Talked to him about the Holy
Land, about our deep desire for there to be two states living side by
side in peace--two democracies, a Palestinian democracy and Israel,
having a--resolving this conflict which creates so much difficulty for
not only the Palestinians and the Israelis but for much of the Middle
East.
And we talked about Darfur. And I want to thank you very much for
having your troops there in Chad.
We talked about Iran--spent a lot of time talking about Iran. And I
will tell you that we both have a mutual desire to prevent the Iranians
from gaining the knowledge so that
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they could build a weapon. And we do that for the sake of peace and
security of the world.
We talked about Doha, the importance of a Doha round. And frankly--
and then we spent some time on climate change. We had a meaningful, good
discussion. And I thank you very much for the dinner last night. And
it's a great pleasure to have been able to meet your wife too. She's a
really smart, capable woman, and I can see why you married her.
[Laughter] And I can see why she married you too. [Laughter]
Anyway, thanks. It's been a good visit. We'll be glad to take some
questions.
President Sarkozy. Thank you, George. Perhaps a first question from
the French press.
Syria/Iran/Lebanon
Q. To both of you, what specific, concrete requests do you wish to
make or send to the Syrian President, Bashar al-Asad, so that he
normalize his relations with the West, and of course, to achieve
stability in Lebanon and in the rest of----
President Bush. Well, my message would be, stop fooling around with
the Iranians and stop harboring terrorists. Serve as a constructive
force in the Middle East to help the advance of a Palestinian state.
Make it clear to Hamas that their terror is a--should stop for the sake
of peace; and make it clear to their Iranian allies that the West is
serious when we talk about stopping them from learning how to enrich,
which would be the first--a major step for developing a bomb; and to
make it clear to their Iranian allies that Hizballah is a destabilizing
force for not only Lebanon but elsewhere.
That would be my message. I'd make it clear to him that there is a
better way forward for Syria. And Nicolas and I talked about this
subject today.
President Sarkozy. Well, George and I totally agree on the need to
guarantee Lebanon's independence. Lebanon is entitled, like any other
country anywhere in the world, to its independence and to remain
independent. And this is one of the preconditions that I have laid
down--the election of a new President for Lebanon. That is exactly what
happened. It was done with the election of General Sleiman.
Second point, we will go through with the process--the procedure of
the international tribunal to track down those who assassinated Mr.
Rafiq Hariri. But once I have said to Bashar al-Asad to let the
Presidential process take--run its course, we would go back--get back
into contact with them, and that is exactly what we've done. We have to
let Lebanon stand free.
I also share the view of the United States of America on the fact
that the Iranian question--and the fact that they might get their hands
on a nuclear weapon--is of the essence; it is a major issue. Syria has
to peel off, as much as possible, from Iran in its desire to lay its
hands on a nuclear weapon. Once that has happened, then the process will
continue.
Lastly, I told the President of the United States that we have taken
the initiative of convening a summit for the Mediterranean, and to my
knowledge, Syria is part of the Mediterranean region--is a Mediterranean
country. Now if you go around the Mediterranean region and start picking
and choosing and simply inviting those who correspond to exactly our
criteria, then we'll probably have a meeting with very few people
attending it.
President Bush. I want to call on Bill Plante from CBS, but before I
do, I want to say something about one of your colleagues.
America lost a really fine citizen yesterday when Tim Russert passed
away. I've had the privilege of being interviewed by Tim Russert. I
found him to be a hard-working, thorough, decent man. And Tim Russert
loved his country; he loved his family; and he loved his job a lot. And
we're going to miss him all, and we send our deepest sympathies to
Maureen, his wife, and Luke, his son. I know they're hurting right now,
and hopefully the prayers of a lot of Tim's friends and a lot of
Americans will help them during this time of difficulty.
Plante.
Iran
Q. Mr. President, Iran's Government spokesman, shortly after the
package had
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been presented by the Europeans, dismissed it out of hand, saying that
if it does not--if it includes suspension of enrichment, it absolutely
will not fly. Can you convince the rest of your allies and partners to
enforce the sanctions which are envisioned in that package? It seems
that many of them are reluctant.
President Bush. That's probably a question you ought to ask the
President of France, but let me just give you my impressions of the
situation. We have worked hard--``we'' being our allies--have worked
hard to say to the Iranian people, there is a better way forward for
you. You've got a Government that has isolated you. You've got a
Government that is creating the conditions so that you can't live a full
and hopeful life. And the reason why that's happening is because your
Government has defied the demands--the just demands of the free world.
In other words, they refuse to abandon their desires to develop the
know-how which could lead to a nuclear weapon.
Now, they say, ``Well, we want a civilian nuclear power.'' And as I
explained to Nicolas today, I agree, they should have the right to have
civilian nuclear power. As a matter of fact, Vladimir Putin delivered
that very message to the Iranian regime. He also delivered this message:
That because you have been untrustworthy, because you haven't fully
disclosed your programs to the IAEA in the past, that we can't trust you
to enrich. And therefore, Russia will provide the fuel necessary for the
civilian nuclear reactor. And therefore, you don't need to rich [enrich]
*.
* White House correction.
And so our demands are just and fair. And, Bill, we have been
implementing the sanctions through the United Nations. And we're working
with our friends and allies. As a matter of fact, much of my discussions
on this trip have been dominated by this subject because our allies
understand that a nuclear-armed Iran is incredibly destabilizing, and
they understand that it would be a major blow to world peace.
And so I'm disappointed that the leaders rejected this generous
offer out of hand. It's an indication to the Iranian people that their
leadership is willing to isolate them further. And our view is, we want
the Iranian people to flourish and to benefit. We want their economy to
be strong so people can grow up in peace and hope. And yet they've got
a--this Ahmadi-nejad is obviously--takes a different position from that
and--so his policies are what's creating the depravation inside Iran.
President Sarkozy. Well, I think France's position is well-known. If
Iran gets a nuclear bomb, that is totally unacceptable. I mean, that's
very clear. It is an unacceptable threat to world stability, especially
when you think of the repeated statements made by the President of Iran
right now. Anyone is entitled--including Iran--to access to civilian
nuclear energy. We will help them to do so if they act in good faith. If
the Iranian authorities are in good faith, then they should let
inspections run their course. If they have nothing to hide, then they
have nothing to hide--let's show it.
And meanwhile, the only solution in order to persuade the Iranians
of this is a faultless, seamless sanction system, you see? The door is
wide open to access to civilian nuclear technology--straightaway, now.
But as far as military nuclear energies--nuclear access is concerned,
this is ``no'' on the part of the international community. And as the
President just said, Vladimir Putin has, with us, sung from the same
hymn sheet, and our position will not change. The Iranian people--which
is a--who are great people and a major civilization--they need economic
progress; they need growth; they deserve better than the impasse, the
dead-end into which some of their leaders are leading them.
European Union/Lisbon Treaty
Q. President, good morning.
President Sarkozy. Hold it the other way around, madam.
Q. Well, I should actually know what--how to hold a microphone, but
thank you. President--to you, Mr. Sarkozy, it would appear that the
building and shaping of Europe has been seriously shaken yesterday by
the Irish ``no.'' In fact, some have called for the ratification
procedure to be suspended. Can this not be the case? And secondly, do
you want your Presidency, the French Presidency
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to be one which, as you called for, continues to push Europe forward?
And do you not think that the Irish ``no'' is going to hinder this?
President Sarkozy. Well, it's going to make things more difficult,
but when you're a head of state and when the bubble--you take over the
Presidency of the Union, if you like easy jobs, then you should step
down straightaway.
Now, the Irish ``no'' is a political reality. It's a fact. It's
happened. But the issue is not whether we like or not. It's a fact; we
have to live with it. The Irish people said what they had to say, and we
have to accept that. Now, having said that, we, with Angela Merkel,
believe that we have to continue with the ratification process, because
at this stage, 18 European states have ratified the treaty. We have to
continue doing so, and that is Gordon Brown's intention, as he explained
to me yesterday over the telephone, so that this Irish hiccup not become
a major crisis.
So despite that, let's continue to ratify. But at the same time, we
have to put our heads together, all of us. It is no coincidence, it is
no surprise to a certain extent--in fact, I spoke yesterday with the
Irish Taoiseach, the Irish Prime Minister. A lot of Europeans do not
understand how we are shaping Europe right now and building Europe, and
we have to take account of that. And we have to do so very fast. We have
to change our way of building Europe.
The idea of a European construct--it was one of the most wonderful
ideas that the founding fathers had some half a century ago. We cannot
allow--we shouldn't sabotage it. But perhaps we should do it
differently. Europe was set up to protect, and yet it worries so many
Europeans. We can't not take account of this. We have to do so, and we
have to do so now. So I have every intention of taking initiatives. I'm
thinking, for instance, of a European immigration policy. I'm thinking
of a European response to this endless increase in oil prices. It seems
to me that we have a duty to be more effective and look at what the
daily lives of our citizens--fellow citizens--look like. And I take the
Irish ``no'' as a call for us to do things differently and do things
better.
Now, of course, it's not going to simplify the work and the task of
the French President--Presidency of the European Union, but----
President Bush. Olivier [Olivier Knox, Agence France-Presse].
Tossing a bone to somebody who's got a French name. [Laughter] Might
want to use the mike, Olivier.
Iraq/France-U.S. Relations
Q. Yes, I will. Thank you, Mr. President. Merci, Monsieur President.
First----
President Bush. Speaks the language too. [Laughter]
Q. Just wait. [Laughter] I'd like to ask you each a question.
President Bush. In the great tradition of David Gregory [NBC News].
Q. Who?
President Bush. Yes, just trying to work him in the news here.
Q. I'd like to ask you a question first, Mr. President. Et ensuite
une au President de la Republique.
Interpreter. I'm going to question the President of the Republic.
Q. President Bush, Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki says that
talks on a status of forces agreement are at an impasse, or a dead-end--
not dead, but in trouble. How do you break this impasse, and are the
conditions that the United States have set forward in support so far
nonnegotiable?
[At this point, the reporter asked a question in French, and it was
translated as follows.]
Q. And to you, President, is the Franco-American relationship the
privilege, the priority number one relationship in the transatlantic
context?
President Bush. Olivier, if I were a betting man, we'll reach an
agreement with the Iraqis. And it's--you know, of course we're there at
their invitation; this is a sovereign nation. And therefore, we're
working hard with the elected Government of Iraq about, you know, U.S.
presence and coalition presence in a way that the elected Government is
comfortable.
And it's interesting to be in--working with a democracy where, you
know, people are
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trying to prepare the ground to get something passed through Parliament,
for example, or the free press is vibrant. But we're going to work hard
to accommodate their desires. It's their country.
And at the same time, we believe that a strategic relationship with
Iraq is important. It's important for Iraq; it's important for the
United States; it's important for the region. And I repeat to you that
whatever we agreed to, it will not commit future Presidents to troop
levels, nor will it establish permanent bases.
Anyway, we'll see how it goes. And thanks for the question in
English. [Laughter]
President Sarkozy. Well, the Americans and the French have had a
privileged relationship for two centuries now. I mean, when the United
States of America was born, France made a choice. It was not a European
choice, because we chose to side with the Americans or the United States
of America as opposed to Britain at the time. And in two World Wars,
we've been together. We share the same values.
So, yes, it is a privileged relationship, but it's not privileged
since I came to be elected; it's been privileged for two centuries now.
You can't neglect that. Now, through this--throughout that, we have had
ups and downs--hiccups--because two peoples--I'm talking about the
French and the American peoples--that actually resemble one another. We
express our feelings. The American people can be heard, and likewise for
the French people. We have to be careful about this. We have to be
mindful of this when we talk to one another in our relations.
I have always seen American leaders--and thank you to President
Bush--for accepting European originality and independence and, of
course, French originality and independence. And I've always noted that
we can talk very frankly when we had points of disagreement. But we have
to do so in--as allies and as friends, and be mindful of not hurting one
another. We can agree on an issue, on the substance of issue, but we
don't have to say so in an unpleasant manner. It so happens that today
we have a lot of areas of convergence. But yes, maybe on such and such
an issue, we don't totally agree, but it doesn't in any way undermine
the basis of what I have to say, which is that the Americans are our
friends and our allies. They know they can count on us.
Might I add that it seems to me that the more you trust somebody,
the more trust there is on both sides of the Atlantic, the more leeway
we have. We don't ask the United States to apologize to us because they
have their own vision of their strategic interests, and they don't ask
us to apologize for the fact that we are defending our own strategic
interests, precisely because the relationship is a strong one; it is a
calm one. And when a relationship is that strong, you accept one's
divergences or differences. And that is my whole point. You've got to
understand, if you're in a strong relationship, then you have more room
for freedom, more room for maneuver. That's what this is all about.
Perhaps one last question?
President Bush. Oh. [Laughter]
President Sarkozy. One more; last.
Middle East Peace Process
Q. You have set the target before leaving the White House that, by
the end of this year, you will hopefully achieve an historical peace
between the Israelis and the Palestinians. However, in light of what's
happening to the fragile position of Ehud Olmert--Prime Minister Ehud
Olmert and the continuous process of building illegal settlements in
the--eastern Jerusalem and certain parts of the occupied territories, do
you think that peace is far away right now in light of those obstacles?
President Bush. Yes. Thank you. First of all, I view the concept of
a Palestinian state and the idea of a Palestinian state for Israeli
security, as well as Palestinian security and hope, as bigger than the
political process. And I fully recognize there's a lot of uncertainty in
the Israeli political scene now.
On the other hand, what is not uncertain is that most people--or
many people in Israel understand that for their own security, there has
to be a Palestinian state with clearly defined borders, a state that
doesn't look like Swiss cheese, a resolution of the refugee issue and
the security issue, and, of course, issues surrounding Jerusalem.
Most Palestinians want to coexist in peace with Israel. And that
peace must be in a state
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that is clearly visible, well-defined, and in actuality is a state. And
so in other words, the concept--and by the way, this is newly arrived.
I'm actually the first President ever to have articulated a two-state
solution, two democracies living side by side with peace--in peace. And
during my time as President, I've seen a notable shift amongst folks in
the Middle East that recognize the importance of having that state.
So my point to you is, is that, you know, it's been a--there's
always difficulties in democracies, but the notion is a--of getting this
work done is important. And therefore, our diplomacy is to remind all
the parties involved that they have now an opportunity to get a state
negotiated. And I think it can be done by the end of the year. Condi is
very much involved with it on a--you know, a nearly weekly, it seems
like, basis. And of course, I'm in touch with the leaders. The
Palestinians are discouraged by the settlement activity--all the more
reason to get the borders clearly defined as quickly as possible.
I want to thank Nicolas and the EU, for example, for helping build
civil society in the Palestinian Territory as well as helping Prime
Minister Fayyad with security measures.
I'll also remind you that it's essential that we get a state defined
as quickly as possible so that leaders such as President Abbas and Prime
Minister Fayyad can say to their people, here's an alternative vision to
what's taking place in Gaza. You support us, and you're going to get a
state. You support Hamas, and you're going to get Gaza. Take your pick.
And therefore, there it's imperative that we, you know, convince the
parties to get this done. Now, I know some say, ``All America has got to
do is say, `Do it.' '' No, the way it works is, is that the parties have
got to come to this agreement. Our job, along with the EU through the
Quartet, is to keep the process moving.
And so I'm optimistic. I understand how difficult it is, but
difficulty should not cause people to do the right thing. If you believe
in your soul something is right, then you have an obligation to work.
And in this case, I firmly believe that the establishment of a
Palestinian state will bring hope and peace to the Israelis and the
Palestinians.
Thank you.
Note: The President's news conference began at 11:45 a.m. at Elysee
Palace. In his remarks, he referred to Carla Bruni, wife of President
Sarkozy; Tim Russert, moderator of NBC's ``Meet the Press,'' who passed
away on June 13; Prime Minister Vladimir Putin of Russia, in his former
capacity as President of Russia; President Mahmud Ahmadi-nejad of Iran;
and Prime Minister Salam Fayyad and President Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen)
of the Palestinian Authority. President Sarkozy referred to President
Michel Sleiman of Lebanon; Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany; Prime
Minister Gordon Brown of the United Kingdom; and Prime Minister Brian
Cowen of Ireland. A reporter referred to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of
Israel. President Sarkozy and some reporters spoke in French, and their
remarks were translated by an interpreter.