[Weekly Compilation of Presidential Documents Volume 41, Number 21 (Monday, May 30, 2005)]
[Pages 866-875]
[Online from the Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]

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Remarks in a Discussion on Strengthening Social Security in Greece, New 
York

May 24, 2005

    The President. Thank you all. Go ahead and be seated. Be seated, 
thank you. We've got to get to work. Thank you all for coming. Please be 
seated. Thanks for coming. Thanks for the warm welcome, and thanks for 
caring about the future of our country, because that's what we're here 
to discuss. Before I get to the Social Security issue, I do want to 
thank some people.
    First I want to thank the Greece Athena Middle and High Schools for 
letting us use this fantastic facility. It really is beautiful, yes. A 
fantastic place, isn't it? Yes. I want to thank Helen Wahl and Dick 
Snyder. Helen is the principal of the high school; Dick Snyder is the 
principal of the middle school. I want to thank all the teachers. I want 
to thank the superintendent. I want to thank all the folks who care a 
lot about making sure the kids get educated here in this part of the 
world.
    I'm sorry Laura is not here. Yes, you'd probably rather have her 
here than me, wouldn't you? Anyway--[laughter].
    Audience member. We didn't say that.
    The President. Well, no, but you thought it. You didn't say it, but 
I could tell you thought it. You're not the only person here who feels 
that way, I want you to know. She's doing great. She is on a trip 
promoting the freedom agenda. She's made it very clear to people in the 
Middle East, you can't have a complete society unless women participate 
fully in the society in the Middle East. I'm really proud of her. I'm a 
fortunate man that she said yes when I asked her to marry me back in 
Midland, Texas. She's a great First Lady. I'm looking forward to having 
her come home tonight, back to the White House.
    I thank Congressman Tom Reynolds. He's an effective United States 
Congressman who cares a lot about this district. I'm proud to call him 
friend. I'm proud to call Congressman Sherry Boehlert friend as well. 
Sherry is from the district next door; I've known him for a long time. 
He's a good, thoughtful man. He's a fine United States Congressman. 
Congressman Jim Walsh is with us today. He too is a fine United States 
Congressman. And I was proud to be traveling with Congressman Randy 
Kuhl. He's a freshman Member of the House of Representatives, doing a 
great job. Thank you all for coming.
    They wanted to ride on Air Force One. [Laughter] Proud to make room 
for them. They want to ride back on Air Force One. [Laughter] And they 
probably want a meal on Air Force One. Save up your appetite, fellows, 
you got a good meal coming.
    I want to thank all the State and local officials who have joined us 
today. I'm proud you're here.
    There's two athletes in the audience I want to pay recognition to. 
First of all, a person you all know well, really a fine member of the 
community, member of the NFL Hall

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of Fame, Jim Kelly. Thank you for coming. Good to see you again, Jim. 
And at the other age of the--at the other end of the age spectrum is a 
fine athlete from this part of the world. I just met her. As you know, 
I'm a baseball person. I love baseball. The fact that somebody would 
pitch a perfect game at any level of baseball is amazing. The fact that 
a person would pitch a perfect game and strike out every batter is even 
more amazing. So welcome a fantastic pitcher in the--representing the 
Dodgers baseball team, from Little League Baseball, Katie Brownell. 
Thanks for coming.
    And finally, one other person, before I get to the topic at hand, 
I'd like to introduce, is a woman named George-Ann Schauffele. George-
Ann is a volunteer. And the reason I bring up people who volunteer is I 
want to remind you that the true strength of this country lies in the 
hearts and souls of our citizens, that if you want to be a participant 
in America and in the future America, volunteer to make somebody's life 
better. Feed the hungry; help find shelter for the homeless. George-Ann 
is involved with the Literacy Volunteers of Rochester program, helping 
somebody learn to read. I can't think of a better way to pass on a gift 
from one generation to the next than to mentor somebody, particularly 
somebody who needs to learn to read.
    My point is this: Serve your community and serve your country by 
taking time out of your busy lives to volunteer to make somebody's life 
better, to answer that universal call to love a neighbor just like you'd 
like to be loved yourself. I don't know where George-Ann is. Where are 
you, George-Ann? Thanks for coming. Thanks for being a great role model.
    We got a lot to do in Washington, DC. One of the big issues, of 
course, is Social Security--although yesterday there was some progress 
made. I'm pleased that the Senate is moving forward on my judicial 
nominees who were previously being blocked. These nominees have been 
waiting years for an up-or-down vote on the Senate floor, and now 
they'll get one. It's about time we're making some progress.
    It's important for this Nation to address issues. I believe the job 
of the President is to confront problems, not to pass them on to future 
Presidents or future generations. I believe my job in representing 
everyone who lives in this country is that when I see a problem, is to 
say to the United States Congress, ``Let's work together to solve the 
problem.'' And folks, we've got a problem when it comes to Social 
Security.
    First, let me start by saying that Franklin Roosevelt did a good 
thing when he created the Social Security system. Social Security has 
been an important part of a lot of people's lives in America. The Social 
Security system created by Franklin Roosevelt provided a safety net for 
people in their retirement, and it worked. There are a lot of people 
still in this country counting on their Social Security check. And 
therefore, I want to start by saying to people who are getting their 
check, people who were born prior to 1950, the system will not change 
when it comes to you. The system has got plenty of money in it to make 
sure you get your check.
    The reason I have to say that is because I understand how the Social 
Security issue has worked in the past: Somebody like me talks about it, 
and then somebody comes in behind by telling seniors, ``Really what he's 
saying is he's going to take away your check.'' That's old-style, scare 
politics, but it is a part of the American system. And so people have 
got to understand when we start talking about Social Security, to 
strengthen the Social Security system for generations to come, to deal 
with the problem I'm about to describe to you, that if you're a senior 
in Greece, New York, you're going to get your check. It's the folks 
coming up that you need to worry about. See, if you're a grandmother, 
you're going to get your check. You need to worry about your grandson.
    We're about to talk to a generation of folks from this part of the 
world about Social Security. Now, here's the reason I even have to bring 
it up, that the pay-as-you-go system in Social Security is confronting 
some serious demographic difficulties.
    Now, the system is pay-as-you-go. That means when you pay in, we go 
ahead and pay out. Your payroll tax goes into a--not into trust that we 
hold for your account; your payroll tax goes into an account, and we pay 
out the money for the retirees, and with any

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money left over, we spend it on general government. It's important for 
people to understand that aspect of Social Security. In other words, 
it's not a trust. In other words, we're not taking your money and 
holding it for you and then giving it back to you when you retire. We're 
taking your money; we're spending it on current retirees; and in that 
more money is coming in that needs to go out for the retirees, we're 
spending on other programs. And all that's left behind in Social 
Security is a group of file cabinets with IOUs in it. That's the way the 
system works. It's called pay-as-you-go.
    Now, what's going to change from today in terms of the pay-as-you-go 
system is that there's a lot of people getting ready to retire. I happen 
to be one of them. [Laughter] At least I reach retirement age in 2008. 
As I like to remind people, that's a convenient date for me--
[laughter]--particularly the end of 2008. And there are a lot of people 
like me. We're called the baby boomers. I'm looking at some baby boomers 
out there. As a matter of fact, by the time the baby boomers fully 
retire, there's going to be over 70 million of us getting paid by 
younger workers who are paying through payroll--paying our retirement 
through payroll taxes. Today, there's about 40 million retirees. So, you 
see, a lot more people are going to be--having to be taken care of in 
the retirement system through the pay-as-you-go system.
    And not only that, we're going to live longer than the previous 
generation. And not only that, our benefits are going to rise faster--at 
least the promised benefits will rise faster than a previous generation. 
So you've got a lot of people who will be living longer, getting paid 
greater benefits, with fewer people paying into the system.
    In 1950, there were some 16-to-1 workers paying into the system for 
each beneficiary. Today, there's 3.3 workers for every beneficiary. Soon 
there's going to be 2 workers for every beneficiary. So I think you're 
beginning to get a sense of the math. A lot of us are going to get 
greater benefits; we're going to live longer, with fewer of the young 
people paying in the system to take care of us.
    Now, what ends up happening under that type of system is that, in 
2017, the system starts to go into the red, more money going out than 
coming in on Social Security benefits, for Social Security benefits 
relative to the payroll taxes. And it gets worse every year. In 2027, 
it's projected there will be $200 billion in the hole, $200 billion more 
benefits going out than payroll taxes coming in. Every year worse after 
that, until 2041, all those--the paper in those file cabinets in West 
Virginia are just eaten up, bankrupt. The system is bust.
    What we're asking youngsters to do is to contribute money through 
payroll taxes into a system that will be broke in 2041, unless we do 
something about it. And so that's the problem. And it's a real problem. 
My friend Tim Penny, former Congressman from Minnesota, is going to 
describe the problem to you in further detail.
    Now, I have a duty not only to describe the problem; I believe I 
have a duty to come forth and say, ``Let's do something about it,'' and 
``Here's some ideas to the United States Congress.'' I did it. I stood 
up in front of the Congress at my State of the Union; I said, ``Here's a 
problem. By the way, here's some ideas. All ideas are on the table 
except running up the payroll tax rate''--which I think would hurt the 
economy--``all ideas are on the table; bring them forward.'' And then I 
further refined that by talking about some of these ideas. And the 
reason I'm doing it is because I understand if we wait, it costs $600 
billion a year more every year we wait. See, if we don't do anything, if 
we don't come up with a solution to permanently solve this problem, it 
is conceivable a younger generation of Americans will have to pay an 18-
percent payroll tax or benefits will have to be cut by 30 percent or the 
rest of Government will have to be cut substantially in order to make 
sure that the promises that have been made are promises that will be 
kept.
    And so here are some ideas Congress needs to consider. First of all, 
that a future generation should receive benefits equal to or greater 
than the benefits enjoyed by today's seniors. That seems like a 
reasonable principle as we go forward. Secondly, that the Social 
Security system should be designed such--the future Social Security--by 
the way, if you were born prior to 1950, nothing changes. What I'm 
talking about here doesn't pertain to you. You're going to get

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your check. The system is going to be exactly the way it is. There's 
plenty of money in it to take care of you. It's the younger folks that 
need to be paying attention to what I'm talking about.
    And so I think a second principle ought to be this: if you've worked 
all your life, that you should not retire in poverty. That's a principle 
that makes sense. We can design a system that supports that concept. And 
here's the way you do it: It's called progressive indexing. That's a 
Washington kind of thing, you know. [Laughter] It says that if you're in 
the--for example, a guy named Pozen, who Tim knows well, came up with 
this concept. It said that if you're a--poorest 30 percent of the 
workers, nothing will change in terms of how your benefits increase.
    Right now the benefits, by the way, increases are tied to wages. If 
you're the top 1 percent of workers in terms of income, your benefits 
would increase by the rate of inflation, not by the rate of wage. Your 
benefits increase but not as fast as the folks at the bottom end of the 
spectrum. And if you're in between, depending upon your income, your 
benefits will increase somewhere between the rate of wage and the rate 
of price.
    Now, incredibly enough, structuring the system this way when it 
comes to benefit increases will get about--a significant portion of the 
problem permanently solved. I think it makes sense for Congress to 
consider this idea. It says you'll get a benefit equal to or greater 
than the previous generation, that at the very minimum, your benefit 
will grow at the rate of inflation; if you're poor, your benefit will 
grow at the rate of wage increases and that you won't retire into 
poverty.
    And there are other things we can do to permanently solve the 
problem completely. I say permanently solve it because you might 
remember 1983. Were you in the Congress then, Tim? Yes, first term in 
the Congress. Tim came together with others--Ronald Reagan was the 
President; Tip O'Neill was the Speaker. We had a problem in Social 
Security. They came together and put together what they called a 75-year 
fix. Here we are 22 years later. The 75-year fix didn't stick for 75 
years. It's time to fix this deal once and for all.
    And there are some good ideas I put on the table. Let me tell you 
one other good idea that I want people to think about before we get to 
our panelists here, folks we're going to be discussing this issue with. 
And that is that I think that as we permanently solve the system, that 
we ought to make it a better deal for younger workers by allowing 
younger workers to take some of their own payroll taxes and set it aside 
in what is called a voluntary personal savings account.
    Notice I said ``voluntary.'' In other words, the Government should 
say to a younger worker, ``If you want to, you can put some of your own 
money aside. You don't have to. If you're uncomfortable with watching 
your money grow with a conservative mix of bonds and stocks, you don't 
have to do that.'' You can keep it the way--into the system. And you'll 
get your check. If you're in the bottom 30 percent, your benefits over 
time will grow with wages. If you're in the top 1 percent, they'll grow 
with inflation. And if you're somewhere in between, they'll grow 
depending upon your income but greater than the rate of inflation. 
Secondly, it's called a personal account. That means you own it. It's an 
account the Government cannot take away.
    So why would we do this? Why would we think of this idea? Well, 
first of all, with your money--your payroll taxes; after all it's your 
money--is earning about a 1.8 percent rate of return over time in the 
Social Security system. You can do better than that. You can do better 
than that with T-bills, which have very little risk to them, if any at 
all. You can do a lot better than that in a conservative mix of bonds 
and stocks. They say that over time you should be able to average at 
least 4.6 percent.
    Now, over a lifetime, that is a significant amount of money relative 
to the 1.8 percent, because money compounds, money grows. For example, 
if you're making $8 an hour and you put your money--and you're allowed 
to set aside a third of your payroll taxes--$8 an hour over your life, 
and you're allowed to set a third of your payroll taxes aside in a 
personal savings account, and you earn the 4.5 percent rate of return, 
which is definitely achievable, particularly when you look at the 
history of a conservative mix of investments,

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by the time it comes--you reach retirement age, you'll have earned 
$100,000 in your nest egg. That will be a part of your Social Security 
retirement system. See, you'll get benefits out of the current system, 
out of the system that's reformed, plus you've got $100,000 that you 
call your own.
    If you're--say you're a police officer and a nurse, and they enter 
the workforce in 2011, and you set aside money; and you make the average 
salary those folks make over time, and you set aside a third of your 
payroll taxes--both of you do--by the time both retire, they have about 
$669,000 in a personal savings account. Money grows over time. The 
higher the rate of return, the more--the faster your money grows and the 
more you end up with.
    A lot of people are able to understand that. You know why? Because 
we're into a 401(k) culture. When Penny and I were growing up, we didn't 
have 401(k)s. The other day I was in an automobile manufacturing plant 
in Mississippi; I'm sitting with a lot of line workers. I said, ``How 
many of you have got 401(k)s?'' A lot of hands went up. A lot of people 
from different walks of life, different backgrounds, now understand what 
it means to watch your money grow. This isn't a new concept that's in 
American society. This is something that's taking place throughout all 
of society. And I think it makes sense to understand the investor class 
doesn't belong to a privileged few but the investor class ought to be 
extended to everybody who lives in America, if that's what you want, if 
that's what you choose.
    I like the idea of somebody saying, ``Here's your asset, and you can 
leave it to whomever you want.'' And the more people are able to do that 
in our society, the better off society is. See, I think Government ought 
to promote an ownership society. We ought to encourage more people to 
own their own home, encourage entrepreneurs to be able to take risk and 
own their own business and, in this case, encourage Americans from all 
walks of life, if they so choose, to manage their own retirement 
account. And I say ``manage it.'' You know, it's your money. You're 
going to have some choices to make when it comes to a personal savings 
account. You can't take it to the lottery, by the way. You notice I've 
been stressing conservative mix of bonds and stocks, because we want 
this account to grow and be a part of a modern safety net for you in 
your retirement. And so there will be some guidelines.
    And I can predict to you that it works because a lot of other people 
have watched their money grow in the same kind of accounts, including 
people who work for the Federal Government. See, we have got in 
Washington what's called a Thrift Savings Plan. And Members of the 
United States Senate, for example, can choose, if they so desire, to set 
aside some of their own money in a personal savings account, a voluntary 
personal savings account. And a lot of people like it.
    I think--I was doing one of these events with Senator McCain, who 
told me that his rate of return on his money was, like, 7 percent over 
the last 20 years. That's a lot better than the 1.8 percent we now get 
for you in the Social Security system. And so my attitude about this 
issue on Thrift Savings Plans when I speak to Members of the Congress is 
pretty simple. If the idea of taking some of your own money and setting 
it aside in a conservative mix of bonds and stocks is good enough for 
you, Mr. Senator, it is good enough for workers all across the United 
States of America. You'll be happy to hear Senator McCain agrees with 
me, because he's seen his money grow.
    Now, a personal savings account would be a part of a Social Security 
retirement system. It would be a part of what you would have to retire 
when you reach retirement age. As you--as I mentioned to you earlier, 
we're going to redesign the current system. If you've retired, you don't 
have anything to worry about--third time I've said that. [Laughter] I'll 
probably say it three more times. See, in my line of work you got to 
keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink 
in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.
    But if you choose to have one of these accounts--notice I keep 
saying ``if you choose''; the Government is not going to tell you, ``You 
have to do this.'' I think the Government ought to give you the 
opportunity to set up one of these accounts. And the account becomes a 
part of your retirement plan. It's your own asset. It's something you 
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somebody--whomever you choose. And it makes the system eminently more 
fair.
    Now, with those thoughts in mind, we got a problem, and here's some 
ideas on how to solve it. I've asked Congressman Tim Penny, right out of 
the State of Minnesota, a person who's followed this issue a lot. He 
happens to be of a different political party than I am, but, 
nevertheless, we both share the common goal of doing our duty as 
involved citizens to permanently solve the problem of Social Security 
today.
    Welcome, Congressman. Thanks for coming.

[At this point, former Representative Timothy J. Penny, senior fellow 
and co-director, Hubert H. Humphrey Institute Policy Forum, made brief 
remarks.]

    The President. Well, thank you, Tim. Good job. Articulate guy, isn't 
he? Yes. One thing you don't have to worry about is me staying with this 
effort. This is a vital issue. The American people expect those of us 
who are fortunate enough to serve in Washington to solve problems. And 
I've just begun. I like getting out of Washington, to begin with--
[laughter]--I like explaining the situation. But we're just beginning. 
If this were easy, it would have been done a while ago. And I fully 
recognize some in Washington don't particularly want to address this 
issue. It may be too difficult. And I recognize some of them say, 
``Well, this is a partisan thing. We don't want to make one party look 
good as opposed--at the expense of another.''
    But let me tell you what I think is going to happen. I think--and 
Tim is right--I think more and more people recognize there's a problem, 
and people are beginning to say, ``Go do something about it.'' And those 
who obstruct reform, no matter what party they're in, will pay a 
political price, in my judgment. People expect us to go to Washington, 
DC, to work together. That's what they want to see, particularly when it 
comes to an issue like Social Security.
    We've got three members of a fine family here. We've got 
grandmother, mom, and down there anchoring at the end is grandson or 
son, isn't that right?
    Audrey Ceglinski. That's right.
    The President. Yes. You are Audrey Ceglinski.
    Mrs. Ceglinski. That's right. I'm a 70-year-old widow.
    The President. Don't ever say your age. [Laughter]
    Mrs. Ceglinski. Oh, that's--I have no problem. Don't ask me my 
weight, though.
    The President. Okay. [Laughter] Reminds me of my mother. [Laughter]
    Mrs. Ceglinski. That's good. I was a teacher aide for Williamsville 
South High School for 25 years, and I retired from there--a very 
enjoyable job. I also wanted to mention I'm a volunteer for Meals on 
Wheels----
    The President. Oh, fantastic.
    Mrs. Ceglinski. ----which I'm missing today. [Laughter]
    The President. I hope somebody filled in.
    Mrs. Ceglinski. Oh, yes. We've got some great people there. It's a 
good group.
    The President. Thanks for doing that.
    Mrs. Ceglinski. I like it a lot. My husband and I retired 8 years 
ago. Unfortunately, he passed on after only 2 years, so the money he had 
invested in Social Security in a sense was gone. Had we had a personal 
account, I would have had some money for Deb, Jeremy, his brothers, to 
pass on.
    The President. Let me stop you there, if you don't mind.
    Mrs. Ceglinski. That's fine. [Laughter] You have my permission.
    The President. Here's the way the system works. Two folks work; they 
both contribute to the Social Security system; if one dies early, the 
spouse, the remaining spouse gets to choose her benefits or his 
benefits, which are ever greater, but not both. Think about that system. 
Dad went and contributed a lot into the system. He passed away. But the 
money he put in--most of the money he put in is gone. That's not fair. 
What kind of system is that? It's not a fair system. It's not fair to 
the family. It's not fair to the person who has worked all his life, in 
this case. Had he been able to put money aside in a personal account, 
that account would have gone to Audrey.
    Isn't that right? Keep going. You're on a roll.

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    Mrs. Ceglinski. Okay. [Laughter] I have five children, seven 
grandchildren, and that's my concern. I think you making the young 
people aware that there's a problem is going to make them aware and 
encourage them to save. And I think that's what we need to do.
    The President. Well, I appreciate that. Younger people need to pay 
attention to this issue. See, if nothing gets done in Congress, as 
Congressman Penny pointed out, you're going to get to pay higher payroll 
taxes--and higher and higher and higher payroll taxes. And so you need 
to pay attention. Actually, I believe younger people are beginning to 
pay closer attention to this issue. We're beginning to get their 
attention.
    First thing is, is there any doubt in your mind that you're going to 
get your check?
    Mrs. Ceglinski. I'm getting my check, and it's wonderful.
    The President. They're still coming.
    Mrs. Ceglinski. It's still coming, and I'm planning on it for a 
while yet. [Laughter]
    The President. Well, you need to, yes. Heading toward 80.
    Mrs. Ceglinski. That's right.
    The President. Right around the corner. You look great.
    Mrs. Ceglinski. Thank you very much.
    The President. You look like 100 to me. That's where you're going to 
be. Thirty more years?
    Mrs. Ceglinski. I'll remind you of that. [Laughter]
    The President. All right, good. And she's going to want her check. 
On her 99th birthday, she's going to want her check. And you're going to 
get your check.
    Okay, and so who did you bring with you?
    Mrs. Ceglinski. I brought my daughter, Deborah, the oldest of my 
five.
    The President. Debbie or Deborah?
    Mrs. Ceglinski. Debbie. We like to call her Debbie.
    The President. You called her Deborah.
    Mrs. Ceglinski. Yes.
    The President. Okay. [Laughter]
    Mrs. Ceglinski. Only when she's in trouble. And Jeremy, her youngest 
son.
    The President. Fantastic. Debbie, welcome.
    Deborah Brown. Thank you.
    The President. Thanks for coming. Mom did a good job, didn't she?
    Mrs. Brown. Yes, she did.
    The President. So what was it like growing up? Was Mom pretty tough, 
a disciplinarian?
    Mrs. Brown. Yes, she was. [Laughter]
    The President. Well, then you and I share the same thing. [Laughter]
    Mrs. Brown. Yes, we do.
    The President. Tell me what's on your mind.
    Mrs. Brown. Well, I appreciate the opportunity to be here. I was an 
at-home mom. I was privileged that my husband, who is here today, was 
willing to let me stay home and raise the kids, work part-time. But when 
you do that, you don't get to pay into a retirement system anywhere. So 
I went, got my master's degree. I have a job I'm very happy with now. 
But I will never be able to build a good retirement in the amount of 
time I have until I retire. So it's very appealing, the plans that 
you're talking about, because I'll be quite dependent on Social 
Security.
    The President. Yes, set aside a little money, watch it grow at a 
better rate than the current Social Security system.
    Mrs. Brown. Exactly, so that--certainly, for Jeremy and for my other 
three sons, as you said, it would make me happy to know that they're 
taken care of, too, and that they would have options.
    The President. Right. And how is old Jeremy doing?
    Jeremy Brown. I'm doing good. [Laughter]
    The President. Tell them where you were born.
    Mr. Brown. Tomball, Texas. [Laughter]
    The President. Tomball, Texas, right outside of Houston.
    Mr. Brown. Yes.
    The President. So you've got Grandmom here; you've got Mom here.
    Mr. Brown. I've got the brother out in the audience--one of the 
three is out in the audience, the other grandparents.
    The President. Good. First of all, what are you doing with yourself 
these days?
    Mr. Brown. Well, I'm 18. I'm a sophomore at Canisius College in 
Buffalo.
    The President. What's your major?

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    Mr. Brown. I'm dual-majoring in business marketing and business 
management.
    The President. Great. All A's?
    Mr. Brown. Hopefully. [Laughter]
    The President. Well, don't worry about it. That won't disqualify you 
from being President.
    All right, Jeremy, get going, will you?
    Mr. Brown. All right, well, being the younger generation, I'm just 
starting to pay into the system. I like the idea of having these 
personal accounts, getting a better rate of return in the end, and 
compound interest and everything so I build up something for myself that 
I could leave for my future kids and everything. And I like the fact 
that I'll have something to show for it, because people go and pay 
decades and decades into Social Security and when it comes time for me 
to retire, if we don't change, I'll have nothing to show for it.
    The President. You know what's interesting--I say this a lot when I 
travel around the country--is that a lot of young people think it's more 
likely they'll see a UFO than a Social Security check. [Laughter] What 
do you think, Jeremy?
    Mr. Brown. I don't know. I'd rather see Social Security change. 
[Laughter]
    The President. I didn't ask your preference. [Laughter] But there's 
a lot of young people who, when they listen to the debate and understand 
the demographic shift that's going on, don't think they're going to see 
anything. What kind of system is that where you got a young guy getting 
ready to graduate from college paying into a--paying a payroll tax, a 
hefty payroll tax, into a system where he doesn't think he's going to 
see any benefits from it. It's a system that sounds like to me is 
screaming for reform, so that somebody who contributes into the system 
not only knows they're taking care of a baby boomer generation or doing 
their part for their retirement but also will have something left over 
for his family, in this case.
    What do you want to do when you get out of college?
    Mr. Brown. Go into real estate.
    The President. Real estate, yes, good. Sounds like to me you can 
understand finances pretty well, too, that money can grow over time.
    Mr. Brown. Yes.
    The President. Anybody--any other 18-year-olders that you know 
worried about this issue, thinking about the issue?
    Mr. Brown. They are now. I got them informed.
    The President. Yes, you do? That's good. [Laughter] Good job. It's 
important for people Jeremy's age to start listening to this discussion. 
As Tim said, the longer we wait, the more difficult it's going to be for 
an up-and-coming generation.
    This is a generational issue, folks. See, the grandmoms and 
granddads around America now understand they're going to get their 
check, and so once that comfort level has been provided, the next 
logical question from many of the grandmothers I've talked to is, ``What 
are you going to do about my grandson? You've said there's a problem, 
Mr. President, I expect you and the United States Congress to make sure 
that my grandson has got a viable retirement system.'' That's what a lot 
of people are beginning to say around America.
    And that's why I can predict that once we get through on this issue, 
once I finish traveling the country--and I got a lot more to do--people 
are going to start demanding from their Representatives and their 
Senators a solution. They don't want any Washington doubletalk. What 
they want is a solution, so a grandmother can then look at her son, her 
grandson, Jeremy, and say, ``Thankfully, people in Washington did their 
duty, and I can rest easy knowing I'm going to get my check and Jeremy 
is going to get his as well.'' That's the issue.
    Good job. You were great.
    You two look alike. These are the Weitzel girls, McKenna and Riley, 
isn't that right? Okay. Which one is Riley? That makes you McKenna.
    McKenna Weitzel. That's true. [Laughter]
    The President. They're twins. I'm the father of twins. I am a white-
haired father of twins. [Laughter]
    Riley Weitzel. They can do that to you.
    The President. Did you do the same thing?
    Ms. Riley Weitzel. Yes.
    The President. Tell me what you all do.

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    Ms. Riley Weitzel. Well, I'm a history teacher at Bread of Life 
Christian Academy here in Rochester.
    The President. Fabulous. Thanks for teaching.
    Ms. Riley Weitzel. Yes. I teach history to the fourth through 
seventh graders there. Hi, guys. I love you, and I miss you, and I'll be 
there tomorrow. Be good.
    The President. Taking advantage of C-SPAN. [Laughter]
    Ms. Riley Weitzel. And I am getting married in the summer, in 
August. And my fiance and I are just starting to think about retirement 
and about future generations and, hopefully, if God blesses us with 
kids, our kids, and something we can pass on down to them. We're really 
excited about your plan and that we can set up personal accounts and 
then watch compound interest grow and hopefully get a nest egg and be 
able to hand that down to our kids.
    The President. Fantastic. I don't remember thinking about compound 
interest growing when I was 23. There wasn't a lot of discussion about 
that type of issue. There's a change; there's a cultural change in 
America when it comes to investment, because a lot of people are now 
getting used to the concept of watching their own money grow, isn't that 
right.
    So is fiance here?
    Ms. Riley Weitzel. Yes, he's right over there, Ben.
    The President. Ben. Look at him, fine-looking lad.
    Ms. Riley Weitzel. Thanks. I think so, too.
    The President. August is the wedding?
    Ms. Riley Weitzel. August 6th. You're invited. [Laughter]
    The President. That's a smart move. [Laughter] She knows I won't 
come, but I will send a gift. [Laughter] McKenna going to be in the 
wedding?
    Ms. Riley Weitzel. McKenna is my maid of honor, of course.
    The President. Cool. McKenna, what do you do?
    Ms. McKenna Weitzel. I'm a hairdresser at the Scott Miller Salon in 
Pittsford, New York.
    The President. Great, good.
    Ms. McKenna Weitzel. Yes, it's a wonderful place to work.
    The President. A lot of talk about Social Security?
    Ms. McKenna Weitzel. Not a whole lot there but honestly, I've been 
thinking about it.
    The President. Have you? Good.
    Ms. McKenna Weitzel. Yes, definitely. I feel like there's definitely 
a problem in the system right now, and things need to change. And I want 
to say that it's completely commendable of you to stand up and tackle 
this issue.
    The President. Oh, thanks. Thank you. That's my job. [Laughter] I 
appreciate you saying that. There's a lot of others in Washington feel 
the same way I feel, that there's--they say, ``Are you taking a risk?'' 
How can you be taking a risk when you're doing what the people expect, 
solving problems. I think the people who take the risk are those who 
won't come to the table to discuss the issue in a way that will help 
solve the problem.
    So are you in agreement with Riley on personal accounts?
    Ms. McKenna Weitzel. I certainly do. I feel like being able to take 
more ownership over your future and over your investments is very wise.
    The President. Yes. Don't you like the idea--some of you have got 
401(k)s, and you open up your statement on a quarterly basis. It seems 
like to me that would be a healthy thing for our country if more and 
more people are opening up a statement that says, ``This is what you're 
worth. This is how your worth has grown.'' It's a--to me, it's a notion 
of getting people to understand that they've got to pay attention to the 
future of the country, when you, on a monthly basis, in some cases on a 
daily basis if you want to get on the Internet and look at your asset 
base. Now, you're contributing in to the--both of you--payroll tax, 
aren't you?
    Ms. McKenna Weitzel. Yes, we both currently are.
    The President. Pretty good-size chunk?
    Ms. Riley Weitzel. No, not really.
    The President. No, a pretty good-size chunk of your payroll tax.
    Ms. Riley Weitzel. Oh, of course.
    Ms. McKenna Weitzel. Yes, yes.

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    The President. I think the interesting thing is that when you first 
talk to people entering into the workplace, their reaction when they 
first get their checks, what--their reaction to what it's like to not 
have quite as much money as you expected. That happen to you?
    Ms. McKenna Weitzel. Yes, that was a shocker. [Laughter]
    The President. Yes, in other words, Government tends to take out a 
pretty good chunk. And it seems like to me that a significant chunk that 
is being taken out ought to at least be able to say to young kids, 
``There's a reason why. It's worthwhile for the money to go out, because 
it will help me in my retirement age.'' That's kind of what we're 
talking about, isn't it?
    Okay, now that you've got your kids watching, anything else you want 
to say?
    Ms. Riley Weitzel. Just, be good today. That's all.
    The President. How about you, McKenna? McKenna, you got anything 
else you need to say?
    Ms. McKenna Weitzel. Well, I just also want to state that I feel 
like it's just encouraging to know that we could collect money in the 
end, that we aren't hoping that there will be money there, that it truly 
will be, and also just the responsibility of knowing that you're setting 
aside money and that you will be getting it.
    The President. See, it's a little lack of trust right now, it sounds 
like to me, ``Don't quite trust the Government to have a Social Security 
system available for my--for the money I put in.'' This is a matter of 
trust. This is a big issue.
    I want to thank our panelists for coming to discuss this issue. Very 
good job.
    Washington has a duty to earn the trust of the people by making wise 
decisions about how the people's money will be used. We have a chance--
both Republicans and Democrats have a chance to come together and to 
solve the Social Security issue forever. And when we do--and I believe 
we will, because the people's voices are going to resonate on this 
issue--and when we do, all of us who are fortunate enough to serve this 
country can look back and say, ``We did our duty for generations to 
come.''
    Listen, thank you all for coming. May God bless you all, and may God 
continue to bless our country.

Note: The President spoke at 10:48 a.m. in the Athena Performing Arts 
Center at Greece Athena Middle and High School. In his remarks, he 
referred to Robert C. Pozen, former member, President's Commission to 
Strengthen Social Security.