[Weekly Compilation of Presidential Documents Volume 40, Number 26 (Monday, June 28, 2004)]
[Pages 1124-1130]
[Online from the Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]

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Remarks in a Discussion in Cincinnati, Ohio

June 21, 2004

    The President. Okay, thanks. Sit down, please. We got to get to 
work. [Laughter] Neil, thanks for having me. I appreciate the

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opportunity to come to such a shining example of compassion and love 
here in the heart of Cincinnati, Ohio.
    I want to thank you all for coming as well. I particularly want to 
thank my friend Bob Taft, and Hope Taft, for coming today. Governor and 
Hope, thanks for coming. Like me, the Governor married above himself. 
[Laughter] And I know that Hope has done a lot of work here in the 
Cincinnati area of helping save lives and changing society, one soul at 
a time. And when you think about it, that's really what we're here to 
talk about, isn't it--how do we make sure America is as hopeful a place 
it can possibly be, one soul at a time, one conscience at a time?
    I want to thank my friend Rob Portman, and Jane and Jed, for coming 
today. Thank you all for being here. I like to say this is part--what 
we're going to discuss today is part of what we call a compassion 
agenda. And there's no more compassionate Congressman than Rob Portman. 
He has not only been an excellent Congressman, but as well he's been 
very much involved in inspiring and supporting groups to interface with 
those who need help.
    I appreciate Congressman Steve Chabot coming as well. Steve, it's 
good to see you, sir, appreciate you being here. And from Dayton, Ohio, 
Congressman Mike Turner--glad you could come, Michael. Glad you're here.
    As well, we've got State Senate President Doug White. Senator, where 
are you? Yes, not a very good view, but--maybe it is the best angle. 
[Laughter] Thank you for coming. I know we've got other State and local 
officials here. I appreciate you taking time to come.
    I met Charlene Calhoun--there she is. She was there right at the 
steps of Air Force One when we--when I disembarked. The reason I bring 
up Charlene is that she is a volunteer here, see.
    Oftentimes, as we discuss our country, we think in terms of our 
strength being the military. And I happen to believe it's important to 
have a strong military to keep the peace. Or we talk about the strength 
of our country being the fact that we're a wealthy nation. I also happen 
to think that's a very important part of our country, and I was pleased 
to see that the unemployment rate here in Ohio dropped to 5.6 percent. 
People are going back to work. The economy is getting better.
    The true strength of the country is the hearts and souls of our 
citizens. That's the true strength of America, see. Government can hand 
out money--and we're going to talk a little bit about the money we want 
to hand out--but Government cannot put hope in a person's heart or a 
sense of purpose in a person's life. That happens when a loving soul 
like Charlene puts her arm around somebody who hurts and says, ``What 
can I do to help you? What can I do to make your life a better life? How 
can I, a citizen of America, interface with you to help you understand 
there is a bright hope and a better future?'' No, the strength of this 
country is the hearts and souls of the soldiers in the army of 
compassion. Charlene, thank you for being a soldier.
    I know I don't need to say this to people here, but if you're 
interested in serving your country, volunteer, become a mentor, feed the 
hungry, find shelter for the homeless. If you really want to be a super 
patriot, join the army of compassion.
    And speaking about that, Neil is a general in the army of 
compassion. He's what I call a social entrepreneur. We got business 
entrepreneurs. We've also got social entrepreneurs, people who are 
trying to invigorate the social side of life. I mean, we're a land of 
plenty, but amidst our plenty, there are people who hurt. And we got to 
do something about it here in America. We got to be smart about how we 
save lives, because the vision of our country is that everybody has 
hope, not just some. This country belongs to everybody.
    Today you're going to hear from some good folks who are trying to 
help and some folks who have received help because they decided to do 
something about their own lives. I think you're going to find these 
stories to be incredibly interesting; at least I did.
    Before we do so, I do want to talk about some initiatives. You know, 
there's been a lot of talk about welfare reform. In other words, we're 
moving people from welfare to lives of independence, and it's been a 
very successful policy. I mean, people want to be

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independent. They don't want to be dependent on Government, but it must 
be done in a compassionate way.
    The welfare rolls have declined 60 percent since 1996. A better way 
to look at it is, more people are now living a life they choose to live 
because they got help. And the question is, how do we continue to 
provide that help, to help people live lives of independence?
    One is to make sure the education system works well. I mean, I think 
one of the keys to make sure that people are able to realize their dream 
is to insist that every child gets educated, that we stop this business 
about--you know, there was kind of a mindset here in America that said, 
oh, let's just move them through. Guess who got moved through? Generally 
inner-city kids, kids whose parents don't speak English as a first 
language. They're the easiest ones to quit on, and our system did. We've 
changed that. I want to thank the Members of Congress here. I want to 
thank the Governor as well.
    See, we're setting high standards now in America. We said, in return 
for Federal money, for the first time we're asking the question, can the 
kid read? It seems like a reasonable question, doesn't it, in return for 
taxpayers' money. At least, can they read at grade level in the third 
grade? We want that answer to be, absolutely, yes. And if not, we want 
to know why. We want the problems corrected early, before it's too late. 
We've got to stop shuffling kids through. We're now a results-oriented 
system.
    And that's important for moms and dads to know. See, you need to 
know, if you're a mother or a father with a kid in school. You need to 
know whether or not the school is meeting expectations. I like to say 
we're challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations. If you've got 
low expectations, you're going to get lousy results. So step one to make 
sure that people are independent in America is to make sure people are 
educated in America.
    Step two is to do some smart things with taxpayers' money. I think 
one of the smartest things we can do is encourage families and is to 
have a--is to spend money on grants to States to be matched by States or 
grants directly to faith-based or community-based programs that teach 
people what it means to be in a successful marriage.
    Now, you say, ``Why do you think that?'' Well, strong families 
really mean that children are going to grow up--children have a better 
chance to succeed. Let's just be blunt about it. If a child grows up 
with a mom and a dad, they have a much better chance to succeed. We want 
everybody to succeed in America. If that's one of the keys to success, 
it seems like it makes sense to encourage strong families in America.
    And so one of the things we're going to talk about today is how 
programs such as Talbert House works to encourage marriage and 
strengthen families. And as I mentioned, I've asked the Congress to 
spend about $300 million--$290 million--for grants on--to States and/or 
directly to programs, all which are set up to provide parenting classes 
and family classes. It seems to make sense to me.
    Secondly, I know that many a good soul makes a mistake in their life 
and ends up in prison, and it seems to make sense to me to spend 
taxpayers' money to help these prisoners realize a better tomorrow when 
they get out of prison, give them a second chance. And I want that 
second chance to be done not only in kind of the traditional way, but 
also through faith-based and community-based programs. And I can't--
frankly can't think of a better reentry program for somebody to be there 
with open arms saying, ``I love you, no matter what you may have done in 
the past. I want you to succeed, and here--and we're here to help.''
    And so I'm asking the Congress to spend some money on a prisoner 
reentry initiative as well as a mentoring program for children whose 
moms and dads may be in prison, see. I think we need to make sure those 
kids understand that they've got a bright future as well.
    Finally, one of the big challenges we face here in America is the 
challenge of addiction, addiction to alcohol and drugs. I have asked the 
Congress to support a new initiative, which basically says to the 
addict, ``We're going to give you a script. We're going to give you the 
money, and you get to choose where you find your help.''

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    Sometimes, you can kick alcohol or drugs by going through the 
traditional clinical assessment. A lot of times, however, you need to 
change your heart. If you want to change your habits, you need to change 
your heart. Government is not very good about changing hearts, see. 
Government is law and justice. Government isn't love. But you can change 
your heart by interfacing with people who may have heard a call from 
above.
    And we in Government ought not to worry about the process involved 
in these programs. We ought to just ask the question, ``Are these 
programs working?'' That's what we want to know. ``Are we saving lives? 
Are we making a difference in our society by helping people?''
    And the best place to--for me to make my point is to turn to a 
social entrepreneur in Neil--Neil Tilow. He doesn't look like an old 
guy, but he's been at this business since 1974. Must have started when 
he's in junior high. [Laughter] Now, what do you think?
    Neil Tilow. Thank you, sir. [Laughter]
    The President. Neil, tell us about the Talbert House, how it got 
started, what do you do here. There may be somebody listening who would 
want to contribute to this great program and/or volunteer their time 
here or start their own. But tell us what you do.

[Mr. Tilow, president, Talbert House, Cincinnati, OH, made brief 
remarks. He concluded with a discussion on proposed legislation on 
prisoner reentry.]

    The President. Yes, one reason I'm here is to give a little boost to 
that bill. I want to explain what we're doing, but it's--I've got a 
little method behind it all, see. [Laughter] Sometimes Congress needs to 
get a boost. Portman doesn't need a boost, but--anyway, sorry to 
interrupt. [Laughter]
    Mr. Tilow. I was told you might do that. [Laughter]
    The President. We're lobbying him. [Laughter]
    Mr. Tilow. Let me know how I can help, sir. [Laughter]
    The President. You're helping. Keep talking, will you? [Laughter]

[Mr. Tilow made further remarks.]

    The President. Let me comment on that, if you don't mind. [Laughter] 
He didn't mind. [Laughter] You see, if we can get Government to focus on 
results as opposed to process, you'll find there will be a lot of 
flexibility for you, and that's the attitude we got to take.
    It's really a difference about who do you trust, if you really think 
about it. Do you trust a social entrepreneur on the ground, or do you 
trust a planner in a faraway capital? And I think you'll find that these 
initiatives I've talked about and the spirit that you've just defined is 
now kind of the attitude in Washington. And that's important. That 
really is important. If we say, ``What matters is whether or not lives 
are being saved, you figure out how to do it,'' you'll find that the 
entrepreneurial spirit at the social level will be much more invigorated 
and much more alive. The energy level will be tremendous at the 
grassroots level. And that's really the job of Government, is to set the 
strategy and the goals and get out of the way.
    Now, if you don't perform, you'll find--I hope you'll find 
Government to be very inflexible, because we don't need to fund failure. 
What we need to do is fund success.
    Anyway, sorry.

[Mr. Tilow made further remarks.]

    The President. Good job. You ready?
    Okay, we've got Teri Rust with us. She's a master clinical service 
provider. I think I got it right. More importantly, she is the 
supervisor of two programs.
    Teri Rust. Yes, sir.
    The President. Tell us what you do, and thanks for coming.

[Ms. Rust, master clinical service provider, Talbert House, Lebanon, OH, 
made brief remarks.]

    The President. It must make you feel pretty good.
    Ms. Rust. Oh, very good, yes, sir.
    The President. Saving America, one soul at a time.
    Speaking about good souls, we've got Tami Jordan with us. She is an 
inspirational person. Why don't you inspire? [Laughter] Tell us your 
story.

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[Tami Jordan, former Talbert House resident, Cincinnati, OH, made brief 
remarks.]

    The President. Thank you very much. I loved your story. There's 
nothing like having a story like this to be able to share with people. 
I'll never forget when I was the Governor of Texas, I went to a prison 
unit. I decided to turn over a wing of the prison to a faith-based 
program. Again, the attitude was whether or not the prisoners would come 
out and not go back in. I said the recidivism rate would--could it be 
lowered if we had a faith-based initiative in the prison unit?
    And so I went to see it as the Governor, and out comes the prison 
choir. And one of my favorite hymns is ``Amazing Grace.'' Of course, 
I've got a lot of my mother in me, so I immediately jumped in line with 
the prisoners singing ``Amazing Grace,'' you know, like 10 white suits 
and me. [Laughter] They weren't exactly suits. They were, like, you know 
the kind of the suit I'm talking about--jumpers, yes. [Laughter] And 
anyway, we're swinging back and forth, and on the front page of The 
Houston Chronicle is Bush arm in arm with a guy in prison for 20 years.
    Let me tell you something. I welcomed some people to the White House 
who had been involved in this program, and I looked a the man sitting 
next to me in the Roosevelt Room of the White House, and sure enough, it 
was the guy who I was arm in arm with, singing ``Amazing Grace.''
    You can go from prison to be a boss. You can go from prison to the 
White House, just so long as you have somebody who's there, willing to 
take you by the hand and say, ``I want to help you help yourself.'' And 
that's what we're here to talk about. You did a great job.
    We now have a family with us, the Groves family. That would be 
Darla.
    Darla Groves. Yes.
    The President. Larry.
    Larry Groves. Yes.
    The President. Tell us about your story. Have you decided which of 
you are going to talk?
    Mrs. Groves. We'll both talk.
    Mr. Groves. We both are. [Laughter]
    The President. Okay. Let her go. People are interested in why you're 
here.

[Mr. and Mrs. Groves, former Temporary Assistance for Needy Families 
recipients, Cincinnati, OH, made brief remarks.]

    The President. There you go. That's a good job, well rehearsed. ACT 
is a collaboration of local entities, of which the Talbert House is one. 
So when you hear ACT, think in terms of the Talbert House, plus others, 
correct?
    Mr. Tilow. It's a freestanding organization.
    The President. Right, freestanding organization, all aimed--set up 
by the State of Ohio, right?
    Mr. Tilow.  [Inaudible]
    The President. Encouraged by the State of Ohio. We're fixing to get 
to the State man here in a minute.
    Mr. Tilow. It was encouraged by our county, Job and Family Services, 
by the State, and led by the founding agencies.
    The President. Okay. Let me get back to you for a minute. So tell 
them what's going to happen July the 8th.
    Mrs. Groves. July the 8th--well, it's been a long 2 years. My first 
year----
    The President. It's hard to go back to school, right?
    Mrs. Groves. It's very tough to go back to school, especially after 
being out 17 years.

[Mrs. Groves made further remarks.]

    The President. And? You make a little more, right?
    Mrs. Groves. What?
    The President. You make a little more money----
    Mrs. Groves. Yes, and the money----
    The President. Now, catch this. I just want everybody to know, there 
is a happy ending.
    Mrs. Groves. There is a very happy ending here, that the money I 
used to make, which was $20,000 some a year, I will be making close to 
$40,000 a year.
    The President. Did you get help going to school?
    Mrs. Groves. Through Cincinnati State, I was very fortunate to be 
able to use the Pell grant. I was very blessed with that. But through my 
LPN program, unfortunately, it didn't cover that. I did have to take 
loans out.

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    The President. Let me say that--this is a very interesting story. 
Our economy is changing, and there are some interesting jobs available. 
It requires some to go back to school, and there's help. There are Pell 
grants. There's displaced worker money. There's trade adjustment money. 
I mean, there's all kinds of money available to help. And what's 
interesting, and people will find this to be--what Darla just said--
extra education makes you more productive. And if you're more 
productive, you're going to get paid more.
    And so it was painful, I'm sure, to go back to school.
    Mrs. Groves. Yes, it was very painful, very painful. [Laughter]

[Mr. Groves made further remarks, concluding as follows.]

    Mr. Groves. But all of this here, I really have to say, I give a lot 
of credit to ACT because we was lost, Mr. President----
    The President. And now you're found.
    Mr. Groves. Yes, sir.
    The President. That's good. Congratulations. You found yourself.
    By the way, Government can't make people sit down with their kids 
and pray. They can't make people decide to go to--people have to make 
those decisions themselves. See, the role of Government is to stand 
there and say, ``We're going help you. If you want help, there's help 
here.''
    And that's what we're describing. We're describing this network of 
providers that are there to help people help themselves. The job of the 
Federal Government is to fund the providers that are actually making a 
difference.
    Now, we've heard from the local man, and we've heard from the 
Federal man. Now we're going hear from the State man, Joel Potts. See, 
the State plays a critical role in all this business. Much of the 
Federal money goes directly to States.
    One of my jobs, by the way, is to make sure Governors understand the 
vitality of faith- and community-based programs and that they ought to 
be spending Federal money that we send to the State on programs which 
work. Whether or not they've got a cross on the wall or a Star of David 
on the wall, we should not worry about faith being a part of the 
delivery of social service. As a matter of fact, quite the contrary, we 
ought to welcome that.
    Anyway, you've got a job to do here, and if you would, share with us 
the Ohio vision. Thanks for coming. Potts works for the State. He's the 
Ohio Department of Job and Family Services. Welcome.

[Joel Potts, senior policy analyst, Ohio Department of Jobs and Family 
Services, Columbus, OH, made brief remarks.]

    The President. What Joel is talking about is Congress needs to get 
the welfare bill to my desk. It's a bill that will encourage work, and 
it will encourage compassionate programs at the same time. It's stuck. 
There's too much politics in Washington on this. The 1996 welfare law 
worked. And Members of Congress from both parties have got to understand 
it worked, and we need to build on it to save lives. That's what we're 
here to talk about.
    And I hope you get a flavor of the attitude now coming out of 
Washington, DC, about how we can support the social entrepreneurs. 
That's really what I wanted you to hear. I wanted you to hear that in 
your own community here in Cincinnati you've got heroic figures, heroic 
people, saving lives on a daily basis, and these folks need to be 
supported. They need to be supported at the local level. They need to be 
supported at the State level, and they need to be supported at the 
Federal level.
    And then you saw some great examples of people who made the--made a 
choice. They said, ``I want to do better. I want to be a mom. I want to 
be a mom and a dad. I want to put food on the table, and I'm not afraid 
to ask for help.'' If anybody is listening out there who needs help, 
call the Talbert House or call the State and ask where you can get help, 
because there's plenty of people in this good State with big hearts who 
are willing to help.
    I want to thank you all for coming. May God bless the State of Ohio, 
and may God continue to bless our great country. Thank you very much.

Note: The President spoke at 4:08 p.m. at the Hamilton County Alcohol 
and Drug Addiction

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Services Center. In his remarks, he referred to Gov. Bob Taft of Ohio 
and his wife, Hope; and Jane Portman, wife of Representative Portman, 
and their son Jed.