[Weekly Compilation of Presidential Documents Volume 40, Number 19 (Monday, May 10, 2004)]
[Pages 763-775]
[Online from the Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]

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Remarks and a Question-and-Answer Session in Dayton, Ohio

May 4, 2004

    The President. Thank you all. Please be seated. Mind if I take off 
my coat? I think I will. Listen, thank you all for coming. I'm thrilled 
to be here. I'm sorry I'm a little late. I got a little windy up in 
Toledo. [Laughter] But I appreciate you coming by for what we call a 
conversation. I'm going to talk a little bit. Some fellow citizens here 
are going to talk a little bit about their lives, in order to better 
illustrate our vision for an America that is safer and stronger and 
better. And if we've got some time, I'll answer some questions. Then 
I've got to get on the bus. [Laughter] The bus driver said, ``If you 
talk too long, I'm pulling out of here.'' [Laughter]
    I'm here to let you know that I want to serve as your President for 
4 more years. [Applause] Thank you all. And I want to tell you why. I'm 
here to explain the reason why. We've got a job to do, a job to make 
sure this country is as safe as it can be, as strong as it should be, 
and as compassionate as it will be.
    I'm also here to let you know that I need your help, that I need 
your help in convincing your neighbors to register to vote, to do their 
duty as Americans to vote. And don't be afraid to talk to people from 
the other party or people who may not be affiliated with any party, 
because our message is positive and optimistic and hopeful for every 
single American.
    The good news is Laura W. Bush wants to serve for 4 more years as 
well. I regret she's not here. I talked to her on the plane earlier this 
morning. She said to send her very best. She is a--I'm a lucky guy. 
She's a great wife, a wonderful mother, and a fabulous First Lady of the 
United States. She's come to recognize what I know about the job, is 
that we can make a difference in people's lives, a positive difference. 
She is very much involved with encouraging teachers to teach, saying to 
people, ``Look, if you're looking for a second career, say, if you 
served in the military and you're looking for something to do, get into 
the classroom and make a difference in some child's life.'' She 
understands the importance of reading. She was a public school librarian 
when I met her. She didn't like politics, and she didn't like 
politicians. [Laughter] Look where she is. [Laughter]
    She can speak to freedom and the importance of freedom in societies 
like--she has the ability to speak to the women of Afghanistan like she 
did on a radio broadcast. Listen,

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Laura understands what I know: It's a high privilege to serve the people 
of this country, and it's a fantastic opportunity to make the country as 
best as it can possibly be. She sends her best. She is--look, the best 
reason to put me back in there is so she's got 4 more years. [Laughter]
    When you're out talking to your neighbors, remind them that I have 
put together a really good team to serve the country, people from all 
walks of life, men and women in positions of high responsibility, people 
from different backgrounds, people who are honorable citizens who have 
come to serve not their self-interest but to serve our country.
    I got a great Vice President I'm running with in Dick Cheney. I 
remember being at a rally with my mother--Mother is still, you'll be 
happy to hear, a little feisty and outspoken at times. [Laughter] I 
said, ``Dick Cheney is the finest Vice President our country has ever 
had.'' [Laughter] You can imagine what Mother said. [Laughter]
    I appreciate Congressman Dave Hobson for being here today. Where are 
you, Big Dave? Thank you, sir. Glad you're here--a fine Member of the 
House, a strong ally, and a good man. Appreciate you coming, Dave. I 
want to thank Congressman Mike Turner. I see you, Mike. I'm proud you're 
here, Mike.
    I know Jennette Bradley is with us, and Joe Deters, members of the 
State--there they go. Good to see you all. Thanks for coming, Governor 
and Joe. Majority Whip Jeff Jacobson and State Rep Jon Husted, where are 
you both? Oh, there they go. Thought you'd get a better seat than that. 
[Laughter] Sign up a few more volunteers. [Laughter]
    Listen, I want to thank Bob Bennett, the Ohio party chairman. I want 
to thank all the grassroots activists that are here. I need your help. 
I'm going to say it again. I'm here really to say, let's get after it. I 
want to win. I want to do everything I can to make sure this country is 
as safe as it can possibly be, and that's my most solemn duty. It was a 
duty that came home loud and clear on September the 11th, 2001. My job 
is to rally our Government to protect Americans from harm.
    And we're working hard to do so. We changed the whole attitude in 
Washington about sharing intelligence between agencies, buttoning up the 
country as best as we possibly can. I think they're doing a darn good 
job at the airports. I know it's inconvenient, but it's all part of 
doing our duty to make this country secure. We have to be correct 100 
percent of the time in order to protect America. The enemy has got to be 
right once, which really says that the best way to secure the homeland 
is to chase these killers down, one at a time, and bring them to 
justice.
    I've got a plan to win the war on terror. We're making progress. 
We're not in this battle alone. First, just understand the nature of the 
war. Some say, ``Well, this is just a matter of law enforcement and 
intelligence.'' No, that's not what it is. It's an issue that requires 
all our assets. It's an issue that requires the nature of the enemy if 
we're going to be able to solve the problem. These are coldblooded 
killers. They could care less about innocence or guilt. They have no 
conscience. There's no need to negotiate with them. You can't convince 
them of the error of their ways. This country must be strong and 
resolute, and we must never falter in the face of this enemy if we 
expect to secure the homeland.
    It is essential that America lead through strength on this issue, 
lead by using all the assets we have at our disposal, not just some. It 
is important that when an American President speaks, he means what he 
says. It's important for the President to be clear in his language and 
resolute in the intention. That's when I said that--for example, when I 
said, ``If you harbor a terrorist, you're just as guilty as the 
terrorist''--once you say that, you better be willing to act on it. We 
were willing to act on it, and now the Taliban is no longer in power in 
Afghanistan.
    Part of the war on terror is chasing Al Qaida down, and about two-
thirds of their known leaders have been brought to justice, which is 
positive. The rest of them know we're breathing down their neck. Part of 
the war is to make sure there's no safe haven. And so, by removing the 
Taliban out of Afghanistan and introducing democracy into this country, 
Al Qaida lost safe haven.
    But something else happened that's incredibly important for 
particularly the young to understand. The Taliban were incredibly

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barbaric people. They were so backward that many young girls never got 
to go to school. That's hard to envision, isn't it, for an American to 
say, ``Gosh, what is it like to live in a country where young girls are 
denied an education?'' But that's the way they were. So not only did we 
deny safe haven, not only did we do what we said we're going to do, but 
now young girls have a chance to succeed in Afghanistan, thanks to the 
United States of America and our friends and allies. We're liberators. 
We care deeply about human freedom and the human condition.
    The President must always remember the lessons learned from 
September the 11th. And here's the lesson learned for this country, that 
when we see a threat, we cannot let it gather, that if we see a threat 
to our security, we can no longer hope it goes away. We can no longer 
say, ``Gosh, maybe the tyrant will change his mind.'' We don't have that 
luxury anymore. September the 11th taught us that we must deal with 
threats before they fully materialize.
    I saw a threat in Iraq and--by looking at the intelligence. 
Congress, by the way, looked at the same intelligence, the same 
intelligence I looked at. They saw a threat. The United Nations Security 
Council looked at the intelligence, and it saw a threat. The threat we 
saw was based upon not only the intelligence but based upon the prior 
behavior of Mr. Saddam Hussein, a person who clearly hated America. He's 
a person that had used weapons of mass destruction against his own 
people and against people in his neighborhood. He's a person that had 
terrorist ties. After all, he's the person that paid suiciders money to 
blow up innocent lives in the Middle East. He was a tyrant to his own 
people.
    No, we saw a threat, and the United Nations Security Council, if you 
remember, said, ``Disarm, or face serious consequences.'' That's what 
the U.N. Security Council said, with America's vote. When America says 
something, it better mean it. And so when we said, ``Disarm,'' to Saddam 
Hussein, we meant it. He chose defiance once again. He refused to comply 
with the demands of the free world. Given his history, given the fact 
that he was a madman, I was faced with the choice of whether to take his 
word or defend America. I will defend America every time.
    First of all, if any of you have a loved one in the military, I want 
to thank you for your patience and your understanding. And I want to 
thank them for their sacrifice and service.
    The world is better off without Saddam Hussein in power, and so are 
the Iraqi people. They long to be free. They want to be free. Moms and 
dads in Iraq want to raise their children in a peaceful world. They want 
their children, just like we want our children, to grow up and realize 
dreams and aspirations. That's what they want. There's a few people 
there who are trying to stop the advance of freedom, and that's what 
we're facing.
    It's tough work. It's been a hard couple of months for the American 
people. But I want you to know what I've told family members of--who 
have lost a loved one: Your son or daughter sacrificed for something 
incredibly important, which is freedom and peace. A free society in Iraq 
will lead to a more peaceful world. Not only have we removed a threat to 
America, but we now have a chance to spread freedom into a part of the 
world that is desperate for freedom. Free societies are peaceful 
societies. Free societies are hopeful societies. The long-term interest 
of this country, the long-term interest of the world revolve around 
whether or not we have the courage and the resolve and the determination 
to spread freedom in the Middle East, starting in Iraq. We have that 
resolve.
    We have a plan. We have a plan to make Iraq more secure. Our troops 
will get what they need to do their job. Our troops will receive the 
help. And we have a plan to turn over sovereignty to the Iraqi--to an 
Iraqi entity. That's what we said we're going to do. When America 
speaks, it's got to mean what it says. Everybody is watching us--
everybody is watching.
    I love to tell the story about a dinner with Prime Minister Koizumi. 
Maybe this will help put this in perspective. Prime Minister Koizumi is 
the Prime Minister of Japan. And we were having dinner in Tokyo, and we 
were talking about how we can work together to make the world more 
peaceful, starting with how to make sure that the Korean Peninsula is 
peaceful by keeping pressure on Kim Chong-il not to develop a nuclear 
weapon. See, the mutual goal is not to--is to keep

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the Korean Peninsula nuclear-weapons-free. That's important. You can 
imagine. Kim Chong-il is a tyrant. He's a danger. Here I was talking to 
the Prime Minister of a country that was at war with the United States, 
had attacked our country, and it dawned on me that if we had gotten it 
wrong after World War II, I might not have been having this conversation 
about how to keep the peace. Also during the conversation, I realized 
that when we get it right in Iraq--and we will--when Iraq is free, 
someday an American President will be having the discussion with the 
duly elected official of Iraq about how to work together to bring peace 
in a troubled region of the world.
    What we're doing is historic in nature. We have a chance to change 
the world for the better. We have a chance to spread freedom in parts of 
the world that are desperate for freedom. And as a result, America will 
have short-term security and long-term security.
    Let me tell you something about freedom. It's a cornerstone of our 
foreign policy. One of the reasons I believe I need to be your President 
for 4 more years is because I understand that freedom is not America's 
gift to the world. Freedom is the almighty God's gift to each man and 
woman in this world, and we have an obligation--[applause]. Thank you 
all.
    A stronger America is also important for our future. I have a 
vision, a clear vision, as to how to keep our country strong. It starts 
with making sure the economy is strong, and I've got to tell you, I'm 
one optimistic fellow about our economy. And the reason why is I know 
what we have overcome. We've overcome a lot.
    Think about what this country has been through in the last 3 years. 
We've been through a recession that started in early 2001. That means we 
were going backwards. It's hard to be a worker in an industry that has 
been beset by recession. It's hard to be a small-business owner if 
you're worried about the future. It was a negative period of time.
    We started overcoming that, and the enemy hit us, and that hurt our 
economy too. It not only changed how we've got to view the world; it 
hurt our economy. It just did.
    And then we started coming out of that, and we realized there were 
some citizens in our country who forgot what it meant to be responsible 
citizens. In other words, they didn't tell the truth. We had some 
corporate wrongdoers. We had a corporate scandal that shook our 
confidence. When you can't believe the numbers you're reading, if you're 
an investor or a worker, an employee, or an officer, it shakes your 
confidence about the American system. We dealt with it. We passed tough 
laws and made it clear we're not going to tolerate dishonesty in the 
boardrooms of America.
    As well the march to war in Iraq affected capital markets and 
affected the optimism of the country. Imagine seeing on your TV screens 
the words ``March to War.'' ``America is marching to war.'' And if 
you're a planner or a small-business owner or somebody looking for work, 
it's a pretty negative environment in which to be making decisions. No, 
marching to war is not a positive thought. We're now marching to peace, 
and yet, we've overcome all those obstacles in a short period of time.
    This economy of ours today is strong, and it's getting stronger. And 
the question is, how do we keep it strong as we go into the next decade. 
I say it's strong--first quarter growth was 4.2 percent. That's strong. 
That's good. Well, I say it's strong--we increased jobs nationwide by 
308,000 in the month of March. New jobs here in Ohio are increasing in 
the month of March. I say it's strong--today there's a report out that 
showed that factory orders is up by 4.3 percent, the largest order 
increase in 2 years. In other words, there's indication after 
indication--it's strong. More people--the homeownership rate is the 
highest it's ever been in our Nation's history. That's good. We want 
more people owning something. This administration understands that if 
you own something, if you own your business, if you own your home, 
you're going to have a vital interest in the future of this country.
    No, the indications are good. There are still people who hurt, and I 
understand that. There are people in parts of Ohio who haven't felt the 
recovery yet, but we're getting better. And we've got to make sure we 
have progrowth policies. I'm running because I want to make sure the 
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    What do you mean by that? Well, I believe strongly that one of the 
reasons why this economy is as strong as it is, is because we cut taxes, 
because the more people--we're going to hear from some couples in a 
minute about what--a couple--about what it meant to cut taxes. But we 
cut taxes. Let me tell you, when you have more money in your pocket, it 
generally increases demand for a good or a service. And when demand goes 
up, somebody is going to meet that good or a service, which means 
somebody is more likely to have a job or to find work. That's what that 
means. It was an important part--I like to tell people that this 
economic growth we're seeing is the result of tax relief--partially 
because of tax relief, and it shows that the American people are 
spending their money far better than the Federal Government would have.
    Some in Washington don't like that rhetoric. They think the Federal 
Government can spend it better than you can. That's just a difference of 
opinion. You better be careful in a campaign if somebody starts 
promising spending. Heck, we've got 6 months to go, and the fellow I'm 
running against is already over a trillion dollars in new programs. 
We're counting them up. He says he's going to pay for it by tax on the 
rich. You can't tax the rich enough to pay for all his promises. So 
guess who's going to pay? You're going to pay. And we're not going to 
let him do that, though. That would be terrible for the economy. The 
American people don't need a tax increase.
    The question is, who has got the vision to make sure this country is 
the strongest economic nation in the world? I'm going to argue I do. 
See, the way to make sure we're strong and people can find work is to 
make sure this is the best place to do business in the world; this is 
the best place for people to risk capital; this is the best place for 
people to realize their dreams by starting their own business. That's 
what this campaign is about in the future--means we better get tort 
reform, better make sure that we do not have frivolous or junk lawsuits 
that make it difficult for people to be able to make a living.
    And that includes medical liability reform. In order to make sure 
that we can grow our economy, in order to make sure people are able to 
feel comfortable about expanding their job base, we've got to do 
something about the cost of health care. Frivolous and junk lawsuits run 
up the cost of health care. They make health care more--less affordable 
and less accessible. The Congress needs to act. You need a President who 
is willing to push for medical liability reform in Washington, DC.
    We need to continue to promote health savings accounts, which make 
sure that customers and docs have got the--patients and docs have got 
the proper relationship. We want the patient-doctor relationship to be 
the center of decisionmaking in health care, not Federal bureaucracy. We 
want to promote association health care plans to make sure small 
businesses are able to better afford health care.
    Listen, the vision has got to be to make sure this is a good place 
to do business and that the ingredients are available for the 
entrepreneurial spirit to be strong. That's why we need an energy plan. 
We don't have an energy plan. It's stuck in the United States Congress.
    We need a plan that promotes alternative sources of energy. Look, 
I'd love to be the President someday to be able to say, ``The corn crop 
is good. Therefore, we're less dependent on foreign sources of energy.'' 
I'd like to be able to grow energy, but it's going to take a while to 
get the research and development to kick in.
    We need alternative sources of energy. We need to promote clean coal 
technology. We need to use the resources we've got. We ought to be 
exploring for more natural gas at home. We ought to be using our 
technology to encourage the spread of safe nuclear power. We ought to be 
on all fronts, making sure we--but my point is this--my point is this: 
We can encourage conservation; we can encourage reliable supplies of 
energy; and we must do so to become less dependent on foreign sources of 
energy. If we expect to be competitive, we've got to have an energy 
plan.
    Two other things I want to talk about right quick. One is, there's a 
lot of talk about trade. I'm going to tell you something: I need to be 
President to reject economic isolationism from taking hold in America. 
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isolate ourselves from the world. That would be bad for workers. It 
would be bad for long-term economic growth.
    Presidents before me have made the decision to open up our markets 
so consumers benefit from trade. You see, if you're a consumer here in 
America and you've got different options from which to choose, you're 
generally going to get better price and better quality. That's the way 
the economy works. But what hasn't happened is, foreign markets haven't 
opened up like ours have.
    The message I give to the American people is, in order for us to 
grow our job base and to stay competitive and stay strong, is for us not 
to fear competition but to welcome it, so long as there's a level 
playing field. We can compete with anybody. Our workers are productive. 
Our farmers and ranchers are great. Our high-tech industry is 
imaginative and strong. The policy of Government ought to be to open up 
new markets for American entrepreneurs and businesspeople and farmers 
and ranchers. We can compete with anybody, anytime, anywhere.
    Government must put good policy in place that encourages the spread 
of innovative technology. My dream is for everybody in America to have 
broadband technology in their home by the year 2007. This is--broadband 
technology, if done right, is going to revolutionize education and 
health care. It will make this society more entrepreneurial, make the 
people of America more productive. It's a great way--a great 
opportunity. We had a good break. The Senate passed a moratorium on 
access taxes to broadband. My view is there ought to be not any taxes on 
broadband. If you want it to spread across the country, don't tax it. 
Plus we've got to get rid of regulatory hurdles so that it spreads 
around. Innovative society--an innovative society is one that's 
necessary for us to compete, but there are problems with an innovative 
society. We're going to talk a little bit about the opportunities and 
the challenges that an innovative society provides.
    Let me put it to you this way: Technology races through our economy, 
and it makes us more competitive. There are new ideas, but workers lag. 
Some industries are old. Some new industries spring up. But the 
transition from the old industry to the new industry is a difficult 
transition for many of our workers. We will not be a productive leader 
in the world if we don't get our education systems right.
    On the one hand, we've got to make sure our youngsters learn to read 
and write and add and subtract early, before it is too late. And that's 
why the No Child Left Behind Act that I had the honor of signing is a 
really good start. We're challenging the soft bigotry of low 
expectations. We're shutting down this business of simply shuffling kids 
through the system. We're making sure they learn to read early, before 
it's too late, and they're getting help if they need help. We're going 
to raise the bar. We're going to make sure every child from every 
background gets as good an education as possible.
    But you've got to also understand there are workers in this world 
who are working for companies that--where the job base is dwindling. And 
yet, there are also jobs in the neighborhood, and we need to use the 
community college system in a wise way to make sure that we train people 
for the jobs of the 21st century. We'll talk about this in a minute. But 
what I'm telling you about--a vision that understands America's role in 
the world is one that says, ``Education is the cornerstone--practical 
education to make sure the workers get the training they need to be 
productive workers as our economy transition to the 21st-century 
economy.''
    Finally, let me tell you about how to make America a better place. 
The President has got to understand the proper role between Government 
and compassion--between--the proper role between Government and the 
strength of the country. The strength of this country is the hearts and 
souls of the American citizens. That's our strength.
    The Government is not a loving organization. I'm sure there's loving 
people in Government. I'm one. [Laughter] But Government, itself, is not 
loving. Government is law and justice. Love comes when somebody--a soul 
says, ``What can I do to make my community a better place? What can I do 
to mentor a child? What can I do to love my neighbor just like I'd like 
to be loved myself?'' I need to be President for 4 more years to rally 
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of America so our society changes, one heart, one soul, one conscience 
at a time.
    Let me talk a little bit about some of the people I've had the honor 
of meeting. I met the Berkeys, Kim and Becky. They're with us today. Kim 
is a cargo handler at Menlo Forwarding. Is that right?
    Kim Berkey. [Inaudible]
    The President. Yes. And Becky is with him, his wife. They--they're a 
tax--I call them a tax family. The reason why is because they saved 
money, $1,900, from the tax cut. That's $1,900 of their own money they 
get to keep, not like the Government--and it's 1,900 this year too.
    See, we raised the child credit to $1,000, which helped people raise 
families. It's an important part of the tax relief. We reduced the 
marriage penalty. We got a Tax Code that penalizes marriage. It seems to 
me it sends the wrong signal. We ought to be encouraging marriage and 
family, not penalizing marriage.
    They saved $1,900. It's a lot of money to them--at least that's what 
they told me. If Congress doesn't act, there's going to be a tax 
increase on these folks. It doesn't make any sense, does it, to be 
raising taxes on them at this point when the economy begins to grow. And 
$1,900, it gives them more money to pay down credit. It gives them more 
money to take care of their family.
    Is that right? What did you do with all that money?
    Mr. Berkey. Well, mostly we used it just to pay off some bills, much 
like most of our friends, because raising a family is very expensive 
nowadays. I brought my three children, and as you can see, just feeding 
them guys took most of that $800. [Laughter]
    The President. Good-looking family you got there. Thanks for coming.
    If they don't move--Congress doesn't move, they're going to have an 
increase of about $900 taxes. I don't know what that would do to you. 
I'm not a lawyer, but that's a leading question, isn't it? [Laughter] Go 
ahead. Speak up, Mom.
    Becky Berkey. Any kind of an increase is just going to make things 
tighter. You know, I like to have the money here.
    The President. See, we've got money in Washington. We just have to 
set our priorities. I've laid out a plan to cut this deficit in half in 
5 years, but Congress is going to have to be careful about how they 
spend your money. It's a plan that prioritizes the military, prioritizes 
defending the homeland, but it's a plan that says to Congress, you know, 
``Be wise about using the people's money.'' I don't have to worry about 
these two Congressmen. They're wise about the money.
    But we don't need to be taking money out of these people's pockets, 
see? We don't need a bunch of promisers in Washington, DC, who say, 
``Well, I better fulfill my promise by taxing these good folks.'' It's 
not only bad for them; it's bad for the overall economy. Taking $900 out 
of their pocket affects the economy. And we're beginning to grow, and it 
requires--what this Nation needs is a person who understands how 
economies grow. Governments don't make economies grow. People make 
economies grow, and these people need to get their money.
    Thank you all for coming.
    When you're talking to your friends and neighbors about the tax 
rhetoric, remind them that an essential part of a vibrant economy is the 
small-business sector. Seventy percent of new jobs are created by small-
business owners in America. That's pretty good, isn't it? So if you're 
worried about job creation in Ohio, you better stay focused on small-
business owners.
    And we've got an owner with us. Dave Dysinger owns his own business. 
Isn't that exciting to hear, ``I own''--can you imagine saying, ``I own 
my own business?'' It's exciting words for the entrepreneur, ``I own my 
business--it's my business.'' He owns his. And I just want to--you've 
just got to tell your neighbors the truth about the tax relief. When you 
cut rates, overall rates for everybody, you're really affecting small 
business, because most small businesses are sole proprietorships or 
Subchapter S corporations. So when you hear people say, ``I'm going to 
tax the rich,'' really what they're saying--they may try to tax the 
rich. The rich generally have good accountants so they don't get taxed 
much, and the small businesses will take the brunt of the tax-the-rich 
scheme. And that hurts our economy.
    Dave, tell us about your business.

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[Dave Dysinger, president, Dysinger, Inc., Dayton, OH, made brief 
remarks, concluding as follows.]

    Mr. Dysinger. We are back in a growth cycle. We're up to 21 
employees now. We expect to hire 10 more and 20 next year.
    The President. There you go.
    Mr. Dysinger. So we're moving.
    The President. We care about outsourcing in America. We want people 
working here, but the wrong policy would have been, ``Let's go through 
economic isolationist policy. Let's wall us off from the world.'' 
Instead, the right policy was to stimulate growth at home.
    See, he's helping make my point. My point is, let us be confident 
about ourselves. Let's put the right policies in place that encourage 
growth at home. Here's a fellow that--his business dropped, and it's now 
on the upswing. Did you notice he said he's going to hire 10 people this 
year? There's a lot of Daves in America. There's a lot of small 
businesses who are feeling the way he's feeling. Seventy percent of new 
jobs are created by the small-business sector of the economy, and you 
just heard an entrepreneur say 10 this year, 15 next year? Twenty next 
year?
    Mr. Dysinger. Twenty next year.
    The President. Do I hear 25?
    Mr. Dysinger. I hope.
    The President. Not yet. I want Dave to explain his investment 
strategy. Are you going to make any investments?
    Mr. Dysinger. Yes, to make room for the people, we're going to have 
to add facility, so we expect to double our facility size this year. And 
we need to buy--we're going to buy some used machinery and some new 
machinery. We expect to spend probably $2 million over the next 12 
months.
    The President. Right. Let me tell you about the connection between 
what he just said--and by the way, part of his decisionmaking was 
because he's optimistic about expanding. I suspect part of his 
decisionmaking had to do with the bonus depreciation you got in the tax 
bill. In other words, there was an incentive to encourage people to 
invest.
    Mr. Dysinger. That's right.
    The President. Yes, see. That's a leading question. I already knew 
the answer. But let me--[laughter]--but the reason I bring that up is 
that when you hear Dave say he's going to buy some equipment or invest, 
somebody has got to make the equipment. In other words, he said, ``I 
want to--I'm increasing demand for equipment.'' And somebody is going to 
respond to his demand, and when they make the equipment, somebody has 
got to be employed to do so. And if the person making the equipment has 
got more orders than the previous year, it may mean that he is expanding 
as well.
    So here is Dave saying, ``I'm expanding. I need to invest.'' The 
person who he is buying from also may be now in a position to--and 
that's how the economy works. It starts with influencing the decision--
in this case, of a small-business entrepreneur--by good tax policy, and 
I think it happens to be good economic policy to be optimistic and 
confident about our future. And it's his decision, not the Government's 
decision. It's his decision that stimulates further economic growth and 
vitality.
    I want to thank you for being an entrepreneur. I wish you all the 
best in your business.
    Mr. Dysinger. I'd like to thank you also. The fact is, I'm proud and 
grateful to be an American. And I am very thankful for the leadership 
you bring to us here in these hard times.
    The President. Thank you, sir. [Applause] Thank you all. Thank you 
all. Let me--thanks. Thanks a lot, Dave. I'm glad I invited you. 
[Laughter]
    I mentioned the role of community colleges. We've got a plan called 
the Jobs for the 21st Century, and an integral part of that is to make 
sure the Workforce Investment Act actually gets money to people who are 
looking for work. And a key component of a job strategy has got to be to 
rely upon your asset base. And we've got a great asset base at the 
community colleges. Community colleges are flexible. They're affordable. 
They're available. And the thing I love about community colleges, when 
they're run right, they're able to match employer demand with employees 
that want to work. In other words, they're able to train somebody for 
jobs which actually exist. And part of our focus is to empower community 
colleges to enter collaborative efforts with local employers.

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    If you happen to be on the chamber of commerce, by the way, and 
you've got a community college around, use it to attract industry. 
People want to make sure they've got trained workers. Use your community 
colleges.
    We've got Steve Johnson with us. You probably think I'm going to 
pick him because he got his Ph.D. from the University of Texas. No, 
that's not why we got him. We got him because he's running Sinclair 
Community College in Dayton, Ohio.
    My fellow Texan--no--tell us about your community college.

[Steven Lee Johnson, president, Sinclair Community College, made brief 
remarks.]

    The President. What he's telling you is, is that--notice he 
mentioned Dave's name. He is available to design a curriculum that helps 
Dave and, at the same time, helps the workers.
    One of the interesting areas--one of the things I find around the 
country is that there's great demand in the health care field in America 
today. In other words, old jobs are being replaced by new jobs.
    Is that the case here or not?
    Dr. Johnson. That's the case. In fact, a lot of the support that 
Sinclair has received over the years from Federal grants, National 
Science Foundation, Department of Labor grants, Department of Education 
grants, has allowed us to revamp and overhaul our curriculum, has 
allowed us to put in technology training programs that are for today and 
for tomorrow.
    The President. Yes. The Federal Government helps. It sets 
priorities. You know, there's displaced workers--money to help displaced 
workers. If a community gets hit hard by a layoff, there's money 
available to help the community colleges train people for jobs which 
exist. Part of the problem we have in America is there are jobs that are 
available, and people just aren't trained to meet them.
    The other interesting thing about our country and the economy today 
and where the community colleges provide a very important role is that 
we're becoming a more productive society. In other words, there's the 
premium on being a productive worker, which requires different kinds of 
skill sets than you had in the past. In other words, envision going from 
the shovel to the backhoe. You had to learn how to drive the backhoe, 
and when you did, you were incredibly more productive than you were with 
a shovel. It's that same equivalent that's taking place throughout our 
economy right now. We're in a time of transition, and community colleges 
help workers become more productive.
    But productivity increases for a worker means higher pay. The more 
productive a society you are, the more your standard of living goes up. 
And so one of the things that we're going to talk about here in a minute 
is how a particular individual can become more productive through going 
to the community college and then enhance her standard of living.
    Have you got anything else you want to offer, Steve?
    Dr. Johnson. Just one other thing, President Bush----
    The President. I thought you had something on the tip of your 
tongue.
    Dr. Johnson. I just have one thing. You know how we are. I just want 
to say that you are very--we really appreciate your support of community 
colleges and of Sinclair Community College. And you are very 
complimentary, and you do know--I want to point out that it's the 
community leaders in this room that built Sinclair Community College, 
maintain Sinclair Community College. And that's the story across 
America, local leaders building colleges to serve the needs of today and 
tomorrow.
    The President. Yes, and that's the way it should be, by the way. The 
Federal Government can help on targeted assistance. We can help with 
collaborative efforts, but like public schools, community colleges need 
to be run by the local folks. You don't want to Federalize education.
    Thank you.
    Ready? Okay, I want you to hear, I think, an amazing story. Nancy 
Scott is with us. Nancy, thank you for coming. Mother of three--I think 
she's got the toughest job in America. She's a single mother of three. 
That's hard work. Nancy, tell us what you did, where you went to school, 
and what you're doing, please.

[Nancy Scott made brief remarks.]

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    The President. Okay, let me stop you. I know you're just getting 
wound up, and there's nothing worse than--[laughter]. She goes back to 
school. First of all, Government can't make Nancy Scott go back to 
school. She's got to want to succeed, herself. She has a great spirit.
    There's help available. Pell grants are important. I'm a big 
supporter of Pell grants. It makes sense to help people go back to 
school.
    And the third thing that you just heard her say is her income 
doubled. In other words, she became a more productive worker. She gained 
new skills, skills that are more applicable to the 21st-century jobs 
that are now being created, and her income doubled. People have got to 
understand that helping a worker become more productive not only helps 
fill jobs but, more importantly, helps the worker and her family, in 
this case, to double her income.
    Go ahead.
    Ms. Scott. I would just like to add that, other than that, my family 
and friends here and in New York are praying for you, Mr. President.
    The President. Thank you. I appreciate you saying that.
    Ms. Scott. And we stand behind you.
    The President. Thanks a lot. I'm honored. Thank you for coming. I 
appreciate you.
    That's--isn't that a fabulous story? See, that's the story of the 
21st century. We need to continue stories like this as we--as our 
economy changes. There are a lot of people like Nancy who want to meet 
their obligations and their responsibilities and want to be helped so 
they can become productive. I love the story of Nancy Scott. I meet 
people like that all the time. The community college is an essential 
part of making sure that we're competitive in the future by enabling our 
workers, who are the best in the world, to have the skills necessary to 
compete. That's what we're talking about.
    Let me--I'm fixing to go to--fixing to get on the bus. I do want to 
answer some questions before I get out of here. Here's your chance.
    Yes, ma'am.

Support for Troops in Iraq

    Q. Yes--my husband is serving in Iraq----
    The President. Your husband is in Iraq now?
    Q. Right.
    The President. Thank you. What's he doing?
    Q. He's with the civil affairs, and he supports you 100 percent for 
being there. And I support you, and his family supports you for being 
there. My question is, is there any plans of getting out the personnel 
vehicles from the Vietnam era to help with the protection from the--
until the Humvees get----
    The President. Yes.
    Q. ----for their--protection for the soldiers?
    The President. Right. The plan is to continue to upgrade the Humvees 
and to bring in more Strykers. Look, I want you to know--and, first of 
all, thank your husband. But I want our troops to have the very best. 
This--you hear--this is politics. It's kind of a political season, so 
you hear things that--people say things like we don't want our soldiers 
to have the best. But we put an $87 billion supplemental out there. A 
big chunk of that money was to make sure we upgraded the equipment our 
soldiers were getting to make them safe. That's a lot of money. It takes 
a while to get the Kevlar vests, the latest Kevlar vests manufactured. 
We're distributing it. I supported the 67 billion for the troops--87 
billion overall.
    I want to remind you what my opponent said about that. [Laughter] He 
said he voted for the 87 billion, right before he voted against it. 
[Laughter] Look, we just need strong support for our troops. And I have 
a solemn duty to say to you as clearly as I can, we will do the very 
best we possibly can to make your loved one safe. That's what we owe the 
family members, and that's what we owe the troops.
    Yes, sir.

Education

    Q. Mr. President, I consider it a great honor to be here today to be 
with you. I am a retired educator, and as you know, many of the people 
in my profession profess to be

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very opposed to the things that the Republicans are proposing. And I 
made a comment here earlier today to some friends that if the educators 
will speak the truth, the real truth, we can teach every child and not 
leave them behind. But it takes not just money. It takes the backing of 
the family. It takes backing of the school. It takes backing of everyone 
to make that child want to learn, and it's not dollars that's going to 
pull him out, the way the NEA says it is.
    So as the retired principal of West Carrollton Junior High School, I 
support your plan 100 percent, and I know many, many educators that 
support it as well. They're not all on the side of the NEA.
    The President. Well, I appreciate you. Thanks for being in 
education. Thank you.
    Let me say something. Look, the key is that we use curriculum that 
works. The key is that we encourage our teachers. The key is we don't 
federalize public schools. The key is, where we find failure, we address 
it. In order to address failure, you've got to figure it out in the 
first place. That's why measuring is so important.
    There was a big battle over measuring when I was Governor of Texas. 
There's a battle over measuring when it comes to Federal dollars. People 
don't want to measure--some people don't. How do you know, if you don't 
measure? How can you tell whether a child is just being shuffled through 
the system, unless you're willing to say, ``See if you can read?'' 
Early, by the way--you've got to test early to determine whether or not 
a child has got the skills necessary to become a productive citizen, 
which is reading. And if you find there's a deficiency, we've got money 
in the budget to correct it early, before it's too late.
    The whole cornerstone of the No Child Left Behind Act is this great 
sense of possibility for every child. If you do not believe every child 
can learn to read and write, then you say it's okay not to measure. If 
you believe every child can learn to read and write, you want to measure 
to determine if they can. And if so, you reward the schools that are 
meeting expectations, and if not, you change. [Applause] I appreciate 
that.

Request for Autograph

    Q. Mr. President, would you please sign this? [Laughter]
    The President. Yes. In a minute. [Laughter]
    Yes, sir.

Steel Prices

    Q. The question is, due to your administration, our business has 
turned around phenomenally. The last 2 months have been record months, 
but where we're taking a hit at is the steel industry. The prices are 
skyrocketing.
    The President. Yes. Well, I understand. And the reason why is 
because the world is recovering. You see, when demand--worldwide demand 
was depressed for steel because there was slowness in the world, there 
was an oversupply. And what's happened is, is that demand has 
outstripped supply because countries like China are now demanding more 
steel. They're beginning to grow. The whole world is beginning to grow. 
The United States is beginning to grow.
    And I understand the pressures. Obviously, in a market-oriented 
world, which I believe the world should be, there will be price-driven 
expansion. In other words, there will be more steel producers or more 
steel coming on to meet the increased demand. And I understand what 
you're going through, but just remember, it wasn't all that long ago 
that the price of steel was at the bottom end of the pricing structure. 
And we're going through a cycle now because the world is expanding. Our 
exports are up, by the way. We want the world to expand. We want there 
to be prosperity around the world. It makes--it gives us a better chance 
to sell what we make into other markets.
    And so I understand where you're coming from. And I guess what I'm 
telling you is there's cyclicality in the economy, particularly when it 
comes to steel pricing.
    Yes? Go ahead and bring that plate over here. I can listen and sign 
at the same time.
    Yes, ma'am.

The Presidency

    Q. My name is Erica Keene. I'm 8 years old. And what's the funnest 
thing to be--about being President? [Laughter]

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    The President. The funnest thing is this: Making decisions that make 
the world a better place. I've got to make a lot of decisions--some of 
them you'll see, and some of them you don't see--which means that in 
order to make good decisions, you better know what you believe; you 
better stand on principle.
    Secondly, in order to make good decisions, I've got to listen to 
smart people. I like to be around smart, intelligent, capable people. I 
like to walk into a room full of people like Condi Rice or Dick Cheney 
or Don Rumsfeld or Colin Powell.
    I like to tell people the Oval Office is a powerful place. People 
will stand outside the Oval Office, and they say, ``I can't wait to get 
in there and tell him what for.'' And then they open the door, and they 
walk in this majestic shrine to democracy, and they're overwhelmed by 
the atmosphere. And they say, ``Man, you're looking beautiful, Mr. 
President''--[laughter]--which means you better have people around you 
who tell you the truth. [Laughter]
    A decisionmaker must be willing to listen, must be willing to count 
on others to give good, solid advice. As you go out and gather the vote, 
remind people I've put together a really fantastic team of citizens. And 
they're good and honest folks who are smart and capable.
    No, the best thing about this job is making decisions that I think 
will influence the world and the country in positive ways.
    Let me talk to you real quick about history. I don't think a 
President, if he does big things, will be around to see the history of 
his administration. Oh, yes, there will be the subjective history. There 
will be the political history. There will be the short-term history 
about an administration. But you won't be able to see the big things 
that have changed, the momentum of freedom in parts of the world that's 
desperate for freedom or a cultural change in the country, to see the 
ultimate effects of a cultural change from one that--a culture that 
said, ``If it feels good, just go ahead and do it,'' and ``If you've got 
a problem, blame somebody else,'' to a culture in which each of 
understands we're responsible for the decisions we make in life.
    So the idea--the best part of this job is to set in motion big 
changes of history. It's unbelievably exciting to be in a position to do 
that. That's why I want to be the President for 4 more years. I see 
clearly where I want to lead the country. I see the obligations we have 
as a great nation. We have an obligation, where we see tyranny and 
slavery, to act. I don't mean militarily. I mean using our influence to 
free people. We have the obligation to free people from tyranny, and we 
have the obligation to free people from disease. One of the things this 
country has done that I'm incredibly proud of is we're leading the fight 
against HIV/AIDS on the continent of Africa, for example. It is an 
incredibly important mission for this great and compassionate country.
    Yes. You've written this question down. That's dangerous.
    Q. Yes, but that's because I'm a little nervous.
    The President. Okay, well, don't worry. It's just the President and 
a huge press corps. [Laughter]
    Q. First of all, I want to say I'm very honored to be here with you 
today. I brought my wife and my daughter with me.
    The President. Good. How old is the daughter? I'll just try--I'm 
trying to get you relaxed.
    Q. My daughter is 14. She's right here.
    The President. Do not introduce a 14-year-old daughter. I keep 
telling you. [Laughter]
    Q. My daughter--my wife, Debbie, is over here.
    The President. Hi, Debbie. How are you? How is he doing so far? 
Okay, good.

President's Faith/2004 Election

    Q. First of all, Mr. President, thank you. I want to thank you for 
being a man of faith. And as a fellow--[applause].
    The President. Thank you. Okay. He may have a question back there. 
[Laughter]
    Q. Wow. Anyhow, as a fellow man of faith, how has the faith, first, 
affected you as a man? How has your faith affected you as President? And 
further, how do you think faith will affect the outcome of the 2004 
election? Thank you.

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    The President. Yes. That's a good question. First, let me make this 
abundantly clear to you: The job of the President is to promote a 
society in which people are free to worship as they see fit. A valuable 
and cherished tradition of America is that you can worship an Almighty 
if you want to, and you're just as patriotic if you choose not to, that 
if you choose to worship, you can worship any religion that you choose. 
My job is to make sure that that is a absolute part of the American 
society in future.
    From an individual perspective, as a person, I rely upon faith to 
give me the strength necessary to do my job. One of the interesting 
parts of the job, something that I discovered as President, is the fact 
that a lot of people pray for me. That's a very humbling thought when 
you think about little old me. People pray for George W. and his family. 
I don't ask. People just do, and for that I'm grateful, incredibly 
grateful. I believe in prayer, and I appreciate the prayers of people.
    I think the 2004 election will be determined by the American 
people's decision as to who best can lead the country. That's what I 
think will determine the 2004 election. I think it's the collective will 
of the people which make that determination. Some people of faith will 
participate. Some who don't necessarily agree with faith will 
participate. The question of the outcome of the race is who best can 
describe as clearly as possible a positive and hopeful and optimistic 
future for every single citizen of this country regardless of their 
political party, regardless of their background, regardless of their 
economic status. That's what I think will determine the outcome of this 
election.
    Yes, little guy way up there. My favorite dog is Barney. [Laughter] 
That wasn't your question, okay. I think this is going to have to be the 
last question. I know, I'm sorry. Come on down the road to Lebanon. 
[Laughter]

The Presidency

    Q. Mr. President, do you like your job? And is it difficult at 
times?
    The President. Yes. I love my job, and that's why I want to do it 
for 4 more years. I believe that--a lot of jobs are tough, but that's 
what makes them worthwhile. My job is the kind of job that you better 
know who you are and where you're going in order to do it the right way. 
You can't kind of fumble around with your value system on the people's 
time. You've got to be rock solid in what you believe.
    I tease and say I'm listening to my mother, as the President. Well, 
that's part of what it means to be rock solid in your values. You get 
raised a certain way, and that's just the way you are. And you show up, 
and you do your job. You tell people what you think, make the best 
decisions you can possibly make. You just can't worry about politics. 
I'm worried--I am in the political arena. I'm obviously anxious about 
this election; otherwise, I wouldn't be here asking for the vote. I'm 
anxious for it to get started. I like to campaign. I like to be with 
people. But I'm not going to change. I'm not going to change my 
principles. I'm not going to change my value system in order to win the 
vote.
    I want to thank you all for coming. May God bless. Thank you all. 
Thanks for being here. Yes. Thanks, everybody. Glad you're here.

Note: The President spoke at 12:32 p.m. at the Hara Complex. In his 
remarks, he referred to Lt. Gov. Jennette Bradley and State Treasurer 
Joseph T. Deters of Ohio; Ohio State Senator Jeff Jacobson; Ohio State 
Representative Jon Husted; Robert T. Bennett, chairman, Ohio Republican 
Party; Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi of Japan; and Chairman Kim 
Chong-il of North Korea.