[Weekly Compilation of Presidential Documents Volume 35, Number 44 (Monday, November 8, 1999)]
[Pages 2213-2218]
[Online from the Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]
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Interview With Bryant Gumbel of the Columbia Broadcast System's ``Early
Show''
October 31, 1999
Mr. Gumbel. Mr. President, first off, thank you very much for the
time. I'm grateful.
The President. You're welcome. I'm glad to see you. Congratulations
on your new program.
Mr. Gumbel. Thank you very much.
The President. It's going to ruin your golf game getting up at 4
o'clock every morning.
EgyptAir Flight 990 Aircraft Tragedy
Mr. Gumbel. Well it's not bad, though, you're on the tee by noon so
it's okay. Let me turn serious for a moment.
We meet against the backdrop of the EgyptAir 990 crash. At this
point in time, have you any reason to believe this was anything other
than an accident?
The President. No. I don't. But I think it's important that we draw
no conclusions about it and just let the investigation take its course.
Mr. Gumbel. Given history, given the volatile nature of Mideast
relationships, do you see the absence of answers in any way impacting
the Mideast talks in Oslo?
The President. Based on what I know now, I don't. I had a good talk
with President Mubarak. I called him immediately when I got up this
morning, and we talked about it a little bit. We're working together
with the Egyptian Government in every way we can on this crash. So, now,
I don't. So, unless there is some question I don't know about that
arises in the next day or 2, I don't think it will.
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Mr. Gumbel. Would you say President Mubarak shares your view right
now that there is no reason to believe this was anything other than an
accident?
The President. Well, I think we agree that the evidence doesn't give
us any indication that there was, now. But the evidence doesn't say
anything one way or the other. We don't know. And I think the honest
answer to people who ask is that they shouldn't have a prejudice about
it one way or the other. We should just look and see.
Upcoming Middle East Peace Talks in Oslo, Norway
Mr. Gumbel. As you look to Oslo, what are your realistic
expectations of what you can accomplish?
The President. Well, I hope that by getting together with Prime
Minister Barak and Chairman Arafat in a setting designed to honor the
memory and to evoke the memory of Yitzhak Rabin, we can give some new
energy to this process. They've done really quite well with their
cooperation on security, with opening the safe passage from the West
Bank to Gaza, with agreeing to a very disciplined timetable. But now
they're getting into these issues which are all hard. And my strong
conviction is that we've known what these issues are for a long time
now; they're not going to get any easier. So whatever I and whatever the
United States can do to facilitate a timely resolution of these issues I
think will be positive. So I think this will have a positive impact on
getting the process going along here.
Mr. Gumbel. Is it easier for you to feel a degree of optimism
because it's Barak involved right now instead of Netanyahu?
The President. Well that may be part of it. But I think the main
thing is that Barak and Arafat have now made an agreement and they're
implementing it. And they're also cooperating on security issues. And
Barak has made publicly clear that he had a timetable for resolving
this, and he's received the support of the Israeli people. So that whole
set of circumstances make me optimistic.
On the other hand, I want to say again, we're now down to the hard
decisions. When Oslo was negotiated, the Oslo agreement, way back at the
very end of '92, they knew what they were doing in saying, ``Okay, here
is what we're going to do now; here's what we're going to do in the next
4 or 5 years; here is what we're going to do at the end.'' And they left
the hard stuff to the end. It was the right decision, but we're now down
to the end and we have to deal with the hard stuff.
President's Role in 2000 Elections
Mr. Gumbel. Let's move closer to home. Let's talk politics, close to
your heart, of course. The two people who have been closest to you for 7
years are about to get out there on the campaign trail while you stay at
home and deal with the issues. Is that terribly frustrating?
The President. No. Actually, I enjoy it. I knew when I started that
it would come to an end. I was hoping I would be fortunate enough to
serve two terms, and I have been. And I've loved every day of it. And
now it's important that the work of the country go on and that the
direction that we have taken continue and that the changes that still
need to be made by the country be made. So I'm actually very--I'm proud
of the Vice President, and I'm very proud of my wife for being willing
to stick their necks out and do this. And I wish them well.
Mr. Gumbel. What role do you see yourself playing in their
campaigns?
The President. Well no official role, really. And I shouldn't. But I
will do what I'm asked to do. I've helped the Vice President at a couple
of fundraisers, and we talk with some frequency. And of course, I talk
to Hillary all the time, every day. And it's so funny because our roles
are almost completely reversed now. All the things that she did for me
over more than 20 years, all the encouragement, reminders, helpful
suggestions, everything, all the things, we've just kind of reversed
roles. And I'm enjoying it. I'm trying to do a good job in my new role.
Mr. Gumbel. How do you view the polls that have suggested that if
you're on the campaign trail with them, you may be more of a liability
than a positive?
The President. Well, what I think people are saying is we want these
people to sell themselves. And we don't want anyone to tell us how to
vote. That's the point I tried to
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make in Philadelphia when I was campaigning for John Street, that I
don't want to tell you how to vote. I would like to offer you some
reasons about why you should vote.
And I think particularly in New York where Hillary--which has been
wonderful to me; I got 58 percent of the vote; we won by 1.8 million
votes in New York in 1996, but that doesn't mean that those New Yorkers
believe I should tell them who should be their Senator. They want to see
Hillary out there committed to them, their issues, their needs, their
future. And the more she does that, the more everybody else will be able
to make arguments about why she should be elected. But I think--and
that's just the way the democratic process works. And it's good.
Mr. Gumbel. Would you welcome the chance to get out there and stump
against Rudy Guiliani, or if the case calls for it, George W. Bush?
The President. Well, what I hope that I will be able to do is to
remind the American people of where we were 7 years ago, where we are
now, where we need to go in the future. I agree with the majority of
people who say they still want change. The question is, what kind of
change do we want? And the vote of the public in the year 2000--the
American people will not decide whether we're going to change or not; we
are. You know, things are changing at a breathtaking pace, and we have
to keep up. The question is, what kind of change will we embrace? And
insofar as I can offer my observations, not only as the President but as
a citizen, as someone who wants our grandchildren to live in the
strongest possible country, I will do that.
But you have to be careful. I can't expect anybody to vote for
anyone, not just the Vice President and Hillary, not anyone, just
because I say they should do it. So the only thing I can do is hope that
the position I have will get people to listen to whatever reasons I
offer.
Vice President's Candidacy
Mr. Gumbel. Why do you think, turning to the Vice President's
campaign for a second, if might, why do you think the Vice President is
having such a difficult time opening up ground between himself and Bill
Bradley?
The President. Well, first I think he's doing a good job on his
campaign right now. I thought he did a good job in the debate. I think
he did a good thing to go home to Tennessee. And I think that if--by
historical standards, he's doing quite well. I think Bill Bradley is an
intelligent, a compelling man with a good life story and a lot of
friends built up in professional basketball and 18 years in the Senate
and all the other things he's done. And he's out there running a
credible campaign.
But if you look at the last time this happened, when then-Vice
President Bush was running against Bob Dole, at this time in that race
Vice President Bush was only one point ahead of Bob Dole in the national
polls.
People want to see the Vice President out there establishing his own
identity with his own program for the future, making clear where he
wants to go. If he does, I think he will be nominated. And I think he's
doing a good job of that now.
Gov. George W. Bush of Texas
Mr. Gumbel. It would seem that at this point that whoever prevails
will be going up against George W. Bush. In style and personality,
Governor Bush has been characterized as the GOP's version of you.
Flattering? Offensive?
The President. It's certainly not offensive. I think he's got--he's
a very accomplished political leader, and he's got good instincts for
where the political center is.
Mr. Gumbel. Flattering then?
The President. And I think--well, let me say, and I think he's made
a deliberate decision to present his candidacy as sort of a new
Republican--kind of a kinder, gentler Republican alternative. What I
hope the American people will focus on when they get to the general
election--and we're not there yet. Let me say, I don't think Senator
McCain is out of this yet. I think he's a very credible alternative. And
I think that the fact that he's been willing to participate in these
debates, and Governor Bush hasn't, I think is a plus for McCain.
Assuming we get to that point, then I think the issue will be, what
does the Republican
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nominee offer for the future? What does the Democratic nominee offer to
the future? What would the combination of a Republican President and
Republican Congress bring to our future? Will it bring back this tax cut
I vetoed? Does it mean the NRA will continue to control the gun debate?
Or will we have somebody trying to have sensible gun restraint
mechanisms? Does it mean we'll never get a Patients' Bill of Rights
because the health insurance companies don't want it? There are all
these issues that I think will become quite clear--maybe not even until
next August--but in August, September, and October, you're going to see
a very vigorous debate that will shape not only the next 4 years but
maybe the next 10 or 15 years of America's new century.
Mr. Gumbel. Before I leave the subject of Governor Bush, what's your
take on the demarkation line he's drawing on past drug use for his
personal life?
The President. I'm going to leave that to--that's up to the public
really. The people are in the driver's seat now. And the press will
express their views and do what they think is right, and the politicians
will express their views and do what they think is right. But in the
end, the public has to be the judge of that.
Mr. Gumbel. Let me rephrase. In your opinion, do you believe
previous cocaine use should disqualify someone from sitting in this
office?
The President. My opinion is that the public will make a decision.
That if--most people think they ought to know if there is some serious
problem in someone's background, and if so, how that person has dealt
with it. The American people tend to be forgiving about many things, but
there are some things they want to know and then there are other things
they don't want to know. And they may change their mind from time to
time. Maybe they think it depends upon how long ago it was. Maybe they
think it depends upon how it was treated.
But I think that if I get in the middle of this debate, it will
interfere with having a debate that's free of distraction, that is, my
opinion would only be a distraction given the way--the kind of treatment
I got from '91 forward from the Republicans and their allies. And I
think I should stay out of it and let the people make the right
decision.
Mr. Gumbel. New York Times Magazine cover, as I think you probably
saw, had a cover a week and a half ago of ``Slam, Bam Sham,'' suggesting
that modern culture generates Presidential candidates whose lone
qualifications are fame and a degree of celebrity. Do you see that as a
disturbing trend?
The President. Well, I certainly didn't have any fame or celebrity
when I ran. In President Bush's terms, I was the Governor of a small
Southern State.
Mr. Gumbel. I think the headline was aimed at those who are courting
the Reform Party at this point.
The President. Oh, I know. But no, I don't. You know, Governor Bush
is in part of the position he's in because his father was President. But
in the end, the voters will judge him, I think, based on his own merits
The Kennedys have spawned, now, two generations, and it won't be
long before there will be a third generation, of young people who
present themselves for public service. They're aided in the beginning
because of their name, but in the end, their judged on their own merits.
And I don't think someone should be disqualified for seeking public
office because they've been in entertainment, or business, or athletics.
But sooner or later, the voters look at them and they say, ``Well, can
this person perform?'' So I don't see it as a bad thing. I basically
trust the voters on this. As long as they've got time enough to make a
good decision, I think they normally make it. That's why we're still
around here after 200 years.
And the more--the bigger the country gets, the more people will have
an advantage, who for some reason or another, are already known by a lot
of people. On the other hand, if somebody really good and is known by no
one has a chance to start, the same mass media can make you famous in a
hurry. So I'm not particularly worried about this.
Post-Presidential Plans
Mr. Gumbel. Are you going to miss being President?
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The President, I think so, yes. I think I will because I love the
job. You know, just today I got up--I do what I did Sunday afternoon,
every Sunday afternoon. I went through all my work for the last week
that I hadn't done, and all the plans for the next week. I love this
job. I've worked at it, and I've loved it, and it's been an honor to
serve. So yes, I will miss it.
On the other hand, I'm so focused, almost to the point of obsession,
on what we can still get done here. And I'm genuinely looking forward to
what I'm going to do when I'm not President anymore.
Mr. Gumbel. And that would be?
The President. Well, I'm going to set up my library and public
policy center. And I'm going to try to be a very good citizen without
getting in the way of the next President.
Mr. Gumbel. What kind of odds would you quote on you ever running
for office again, any office?
The President. Oh, I think they would be pretty long. Although, you
know, I used to joke that I might run for the school board someday. I
don't know. I certainly have no plans to run for office. And I'm going
to have to get out here and earn a little money and try to make sure
that my wife and daughter are okay. Maybe something could happen someday
and I would want to run. I just don't know.
President's Legacy
Mr. Gumbel. Presidents generally get one line in the history, if
they get one line. JFK was shot. Nixon had Watergate. Reagan beat
communism. Clinton?
The President. Turned the economy around and prepared America for a
new century.
Mr. Gumbel. You would be satisfied if your legacy was erasing the
Nation's red ink?
The President. I think that's one of my legacies. But I think the
real legacy is--America is genuinely transformed from where it was 7
years ago. Look at where we were in `92. We had economic distress. We
had social divisions, as embodied in the riot in Los Angeles. We were in
political drift; government was completely discredited. And I said,
``Look, give me a chance. I've got some new ideas to create opportunity,
to increase responsibility among our citizens, to build a community of
America.'' And we set about changing. Meanwhile, America was changing.
The day I took office as President there were only 50 websites on
the Internet in the whole world, 50. That's how much we've changed. So
yes, we've got the strongest economy in history. And yes, we're paying
off the debt instead of being in debt. But we also have cut our welfare
rolls in half. We've got the lowest crime rate in 30 years. We've got
the lowest poverty rate in 30 years. We've reversed this wage
inequality. All groups are growing. A couple of million children have
been moved out of poverty. The air is cleaner. The water is cleaner. We
set aside more land to protect it than any other administration except
those of Franklin and Theodore Roosevelt.
So the whole Nation has been transformed. We literally have prepared
the country for another century. If you compare it from now to then;
instead of a distressed economy, you've got a booming economy. Instead
of a divided society, you've got the social problems being solved. And
instead of political drift and discrediting of government, we've got the
smallest Government in 37 years, and it's actually doing things for
people, empowering people.
So I think that I have been fortunate enough to serve as President
at a time of dramatic transformation, when we really have--in the
metaphor I used in 1996--built a bridge to the future. And now the
American people are going to have to decide how they want to walk over
it.
President's New York Residence
Mr. Gumbel. Final note. If my research is correct, you sign papers
next week, final papers, on the house in Chappaqua. Do you happen to
know what's the closest golf course to your house in Chappaqua?
The President. I don't, no.
Mr. Gumbel. Whippoorwill Country Club in Armonk. Do you know who is
a member there?
The President. Are you?
Mr. Gumbel. Yes, sir.
The President. I would be happy to be your guest any time. I'm easy
about that.
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Mr. Gumbel. Mr. President, safe travels.
The President. Thanks.
Note: The interview began at 4:08 p.m. in Oval Office at the White House
and was videotaped for broadcast on November 1. In his remarks, the
President referred to President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt; Prime Minister
Ehud Barak of Israel; Chairman Yasser Arafat of the Palestinian
Authority; Philadelphia mayoral candidate John F. Street; and former
Senators Bill Bradley and Bob Dole. A portion of this interview could
not be verified because the tape was incomplete.