[Weekly Compilation of Presidential Documents Volume 32, Number 5 (Monday, February 5, 1996)]
[Pages 138-144]
[Online from the Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]

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The President's News Conference With President Chirac of France

February 1, 1996

    President Clinton. Good afternoon. Please be seated.
    President Chirac and I have just concluded a very good discussion. 
Let me begin by saying how much the United States appreciates the 
President's strong leadership and the vital role France is playing all 
around the world. This is a time for the world's great democracies to 
reach out, not retreat. Many of the problems we face, including 
terrorism, international organized crime and drugs, have no respect for 
borders. And the extraordinary opportunities we enjoy to shape a safer 
and more prosperous future for our people can be realized only if we 
stay engaged and if we work together.
    France and the United States are doing that, building on our 
historic alliance to meet the challenges of this new era. NATO is a 
cornerstone of that alliance. The President and I spent a good deal of 
time discussing its present and its future. In Bosnia, all of us can see 
NATO's critical role in ending a terrible war and helping peace to take 
hold and restoring stability to the heart of Europe. President Chirac 
and I reviewed the impressive progress our troops are making. We agreed 
the mission in Bosnia is moving forward steadily, surely, and as safely 
as possible.
    The Bosnia operation also demonstrates how well NATO can work with 
Europe's new democracies. Countries that were our Warsaw Pact 
adversaries less than a decade ago now are serving side by side with our 
troops for peace. This is a tribute to the decision that we made to 
reach out to them through the Partnership For Peace and by holding out 
the possibility of opening NATO's doors to new partners. We agreed that 
NATO must and will continue its steady progress toward enlargement and 
will strengthen its relationship with Russia.
    Let me say again, I told President Chirac how pleased we in the 
United States are with France's recent decision to move closer to the 
military side of NATO, a move that will strengthen our alliance and a 
move that is very, very important to the United States. I also welcomed 
the French efforts to build a stronger European defense identity within 
NATO. This will allow our European allies to deal more effectively with 
future security problems and spread the costs and risks of our 
leadership for peace, while preserving the basic structure of NATO.
    The Franco-American partnership extends well beyond NATO and, 
indeed, well beyond Europe: We've seen it in Cambodia, where our 
cooperation was vital to the success of democratic elections; we see it 
in Haiti, where French gendarmes are taking part in the international 
police force and playing a critical role; and in Africa, both our 
countries today are working to help people realize their tremendous 
economic and political potential. Today President Chirac and I agreed to 
work together on preventive diplomacy in Africa to begin to head off 
conflicts before they start.
    Finally we focused on a series of new threats to the safety of our 
citizens that demand a coordinated response: the spread of weapons of 
mass destruction, terrorism, international organized crime, drug 
trafficking, and of course, the threats to the global environment.
    I welcome France's decision to end nuclear testing in the Pacific 
and its strong support for signing a zero-yield comprehensive nuclear 
test ban treaty this year. That is a project we can and we will work on 
together, and I believe we will succeed. As I said in the State of the 
Union, the comprehensive test ban treaty is one of my highest priorities 
as President. It will dramatically reduce the nuclear threat to every 
American and to people all over the world. Having France as a strong 
partner in this crusade significantly increases the prospects for 
success.
    Let me add also that we greatly appreciate France's offer to join 
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Korean Peninsula Energy Development Corporation, the organization that 
will provide alternative energy to North Korea as it freezes and then 
dismantles its dangerous nuclear weapons programs.
    This past year terrorists have taken lives of people in the very 
heart of Paris and in the very heart of America. The President and I 
agreed that our law enforcement officials can and must work even more 
closely together, sharing their experiences and their expertise until we 
succeed in defeating terrorism. We'll look at new ways to stop the flow 
of drugs to our streets and the spread of organized crime by backing 
down--cracking down harder on money laundering and making it easier to 
extradite criminals.
    Finally let me say again to the President, I want to thank you for 
your long and consistent leadership in Bosnia, for the sacrifices made 
by the French there, especially the French soldiers. And I want to tell 
you how much it means to me and to all Americans that today you 
presented the Legion of Honor to the families of the three American 
diplomats who were killed there in the search--ultimately the successful 
search--for a peace agreement.
    This is symbolic of the friendship that the United States has with 
France. You are our oldest ally. I thought it quite appropriate today 
that we had your welcoming ceremony on the lawn of the White House in 
full view of the Jefferson Memorial, where Thomas Jefferson was our 
first envoy--the symbol of our friendship, our alliance with France.
    Now the United States has another forceful and energetic partner for 
peace and progress in President Chirac. Let me invite him to make a 
statement, welcome him again to the United States, and then we will take 
your questions.
    Mr. President.
    President Chirac. President Clinton has more or less said everything 
there was to be said--because, anyway, everything that we said he said 
wonderfully. It was all that.
    I just have some brief remarks. First of all, a sentiment of 
gratitude for the way I've been welcomed here--and I deeply appreciated 
this--welcomed in the White House and in Congress. And secondly, there 
was a very fundamental agreement between us on most of the subjects that 
we talked about. And I think the most outstanding example is Bosnia, 
where the action undertaken by President Clinton has been decisive for a 
peace agreement that a few months before that, no one could really have 
imagined.
    France was not absent, naturally, from this effort that led to this. 
And if the country manages to regain equilibrium in peace and come back 
to peace, this will be, to a large extent, due to the President of the 
United States.
    And I also wanted to mention two problems here which, among others, 
I'm deeply concerned about. First of all, the question of the necessary 
reform of the organization of the Atlantic Alliance in order to adapt it 
to the needs of our time. We can, I think, expect the very best in terms 
of peace from that organization as long as the organization has adapted 
to the new circumstances, and secondly, my second point is the fact that 
we really must understand how absolutely essential it is that we should 
not disengage ourselves from development aid.
    Many countries in the world are in the process of being excluded 
while they're precisely making very substantial efforts in order to try 
to move towards democracy and the market economy, so we must help them 
in that effort. Those were the two messages that I wish to express today 
to Congress, to the Congress.
    Now lastly, I felt very deep emotion in awarding this morning to 
three wonderful women, wonderful ladies, the Legion of Honor in the name 
of the people of France and the Republic of France, the three widows of 
three great American diplomats who gave their very best efforts to help 
achieve peace and, alas, lost their life in that country of Bosnia.
    Well, those are some thoughts I wanted to share with you, but now of 
course I'm ready to answer questions.
    President Clinton. We'll call on an American journalist, and then 
President Chirac will call on a French journalist, and then we'll 
alternate back and forth until we run out of time.
    Helen [Helen Thomas, United Press International].

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1996 Election and Sanctions

on Iran and Iraq

    Q. Mr. President, I have a question for each President. You have had 
a lot of trouble with the Republican Congress, and at the same time you 
seem to be telling the Democrats it's every man for himself, that you 
will not campaign for a Democratic Congress, that it's self-defeating. 
So I'd like you to comment on that.
    And President Chirac, the U.N. says that a half million Iraqi babies 
have died of malnutrition since 1990. Are you trying to persuade 
President Clinton to speed up the sanctions on Iraq and Iran?
    President Clinton. Let me answer my question first. First of all, 
who am I to criticize people who ask and report questions, but no one 
who was in the conversation thought that that's what I said. I made it 
very clear that I want more Democrats elected to Congress; I will work 
for them. I worked hard for Senator Wyden in Oregon. And I think you'd 
have to look a long time to find a President who's worked any harder to 
help his party's candidates for Congress than I have.
    I was asked a very precise question. I was asked whether I would go 
to the American people in 1996 and say, ``I cannot do anything as 
President, I cannot achieve anything as President unless you give me a 
Democratic Congress.'' And my answer to that is, was, and I will say 
again: We have had lots of experience with Presidents trying that 
argument. And it has never worked. Not ever. Not once.
    The American people want arguments presented to them about their 
lives and the ideas and the principles at stake. Will I campaign for 
Democrats? Yes, I have, and yes, I will. And I have organized my affairs 
so that I will be able to do quite a bit of that. Do I want more 
Democrats to get elected to Congress? Of course, I do. How do I expect 
it to happen? Not by telling the American people I need it, but by 
saying, ``Here's where we stand. Here's what the differences are. Here's 
what the future is. I hope you will choose the same choice that I'm 
making.''
    Q. You don't think you have coattails?
    President Clinton. I didn't say that. I said the coattails that come 
will come because people agree that we have better ideas for them and 
their lives. That's why. That's the argument. And every time a President 
in the entire history of the country has tried to personalize the 
election and say, ``I need this for me,'' it has never worked. The 
American people vote based on what they believe in is best for 
themselves and their families. They exercise their judgment. So you have 
to put forward a set of ideas.
    When you put forward a set of ideas and all people say that they 
agree with these ideas, then you have a good chance to prevail. That's 
what happened in `92 in a way that I like. That's what happened in '94 
in a way that I didn't like. And that's what I hope will happen in '96 
in a way that I like. I was responding to the literal way I was asked 
the question, not to my fidelity to my party or my involvement with the 
campaign efforts.
    Mr. President, you want to answer the question you were asked?
    President Chirac. Well, I would simply like to say, my dear lady, 
that at least the children who--for me, children who die of hunger is 
something that is unbearable, whatever their nationality. It's something 
that we just cannot countenance. That being said, I never, never uttered 
the sentence that you attribute to me. I might have done that, but I 
didn't.
    Now, I think concerning Iraq, because in fact that was what you 
wanted me to say something about. I think that there is an international 
organization or an international rule, if you like. There is Security 
Council and there are certain requirements that were laid down, in 
particular, Resolution 986. And my wish would be is that that resolution 
be implemented by Iraq. And if it is implemented by Iraq then, yes, I do 
hope that the sanctions will then be lifted so that there should be 
fewer small children lacking in the basic requirements.

NATO

    Q. A question to President Chirac. Pending the necessary reform of 
NATO, can France take a new further step to work closer to the military 
committee of NATO, the military side, as has just been said, and then 
become a full member?

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    President Chirac. I don't know if everyone has understood or heard 
the question. I don't know if it has been translated.
    No, for the moment, there's, not necessary for yet a further step, 
no. What's important now is that France should talk with its partners 
about the reform which, in our view, is essential, concerning the 
military organization of the alliance.
    I'd like to say that from looking at that--I'm not talking about the 
past. I mean, the past is the past. It's behind us. But with some vision 
of the future, in the way we see the future. We--in fact are very close 
to the thinking of most of our great European partners, both concerning 
the diagnosis and how we should carry out the reforms. And today I was 
able to note that this viewpoint was to a very large extent shared by 
the Americans. And I said, ``Well, I am delighted at that.''

Budget Negotiations and the Debt Limit

    Q. A few questions on the budget, sir. With little sign of life on 
the budget talks, are your agency heads drawing up plans to lay off or 
fire employees to grapple with a series of belt-tightening continuing 
resolutions for the rest of the year? And secondly, could there be a 
hint of breakthrough in the Speaker's comments today that he's 
considering a smaller, shorter lasting----
    President Clinton. First, let me say the most hopeful thing that has 
happened is the statement by the Speaker and Mr. Armey and Senator Dole 
that they intend to seek an extension to the debt limit through the 
middle of March. And I applaud that. Secondly, there have been a number 
of statements made which make me believe that the situation is far from 
gone. I still believe that there is a good chance that if we keep 
working at it, we can get a balanced budget agreement. So I think the 
atmosphere is good. I think the attitude has been basically 
constructive, and I still am quite hopeful about it.
    So the answer to your question is, no, I do not foresee there to be 
mass layoffs and draconian continuing resolutions.
    President Chirac. Would there be a French lady, perhaps? Yes? We 
also have lady journalists. Please speak French. [Laughter]

Middle East Peace Process

    Q. It's a question to President Clinton. I wanted to ask him if he 
thinks a peace agreement will take place between Syria and Israel before 
the summer, and do you share the opinion of President Chirac that 
Lebanon should not have to pay the price of peace? And did you talk 
about this, and how do you see the future of Lebanon after all of this?
    President Clinton. Yes, I share the opinion of President Chirac that 
Lebanon should not be asked to pay the price of the peace agreement. I 
do not believe that the independence and future of Lebanon should be 
sacrificed, nor do I think it will be.
    Now having said that, I believe that the only satisfactory 
resolution for Lebanon over the long run is, first, an agreement between 
Israel and Syria. I think a good peace agreement between Israel and 
Syria will make possible the right kind of future for Lebanon. As to 
when it will happen, I can't say. That is up to the parties and will be 
a function of developments within Israel and Syria, as well as the 
progress of the developments over some very difficult issues in the 
talks.
    But I can tell you this: I believe that President Asad is genuinely 
committed to the right kind of peace. And I believe Prime Minister Peres 
is genuinely committed to the right kind of peace. And I see their 
military leaders talking. I see others reaching out, trying to work 
through the complex issues that are still left to be resolved. And so 
I'm quite hopeful. But the United States does not impose timetables on 
others, nor do we project them. All we try to do is to help the parties 
make peace. The timetable, like everything else, is up to them.

1996 Election

    Q. Mr. President, your spokesman frequently tells us that you don't 
really feel yourself to be in a campaign mode, but yet tomorrow you're 
heading to New Hampshire. Are you trying to have it both ways?
    President Clinton. Sure. Doesn't everyone? [Laughter]
    Q. And which of these incarnations will we see in New Hampshire 
tomorrow? And will you answer Senator Dole and the other Republican 
leaders or candidates who have been saying since the State of the Union 
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you've been talking from the right but governing to the left?
    President Clinton. I think that's self-evidently not true. Of 
course, you know, sometimes I think it depends on how they define the 
left. I'm still a little to the left of Attila the Hun, I guess. It 
depends on how they define left and right. [Laughter]
    But I believe that the most important thing I can do this year is to 
do my job. And I believe it is my first responsibility. I believe that I 
can present myself to the American people as a candidate without 
completely undermining my ability to do my job. And that's what I'm 
going to try to do. But it would be inappropriate for me not to go to 
New Hampshire and Iowa before the first caucus and the first primary, 
and to give an accounting to the people there in a more direct fashion. 
That's what I'm going to do. I don't know that the arguments I will make 
and the statements I will make to be that much different than I would if 
I were here in Washington, but I think they're entitled to see the 
President show up there, and I'm going to show up, try to convince them 
to be for me.
    President Chirac. I'd like to add something of this particular 
issue, if I may. If I've understood carefully, if the interpretation has 
been correct--and I have no doubt about that--President Clinton has said 
that he was to the left to Attila. Well, I didn't feel that this was 
aimed at me, quite honestly--[laughter]--whatever certain French 
journalists may feel about the subject.
    President Clinton. I'm not at all sure I'm to the left of President 
Chirac. [Laughter] That was good. [Laughter] That was good.
    Thanks.
    Q. I have a question for both Presidents. My first question to you, 
Mr. President. It seems--in English for President; and then French, 
President Chirac. [Laughter]
    President Clinton. Are you trying to have it both ways? [Laughter]
    President Chirac. Yes, all your friends already know you speak 
English, so now you speak French, right? [Laughter]

Isolationism

    Q. Mr. President, it would appear that your understanding, agreement 
with President Chirac, it seems that you get on with him much more than 
Mr. Chirac can get on with the Republicans in the Congress who tend to 
be isolationists. Would you agree with that, and would President Chirac 
agree with that statement?
    President Clinton. Well, I hope he wouldn't agree with that 
statement, because it would not be in France's interest to get involved 
in our domestic politics. But let me say the United States, throughout 
our history, because of our relative geographic isolation from the 
turbulence that has gripped Europe in the 20th Century, that gripped 
Asia in the 20th Century and before, has often had periods of 
isolationism. We departed from that at the end of World War II, to wage 
with you in partnership the cold war.
    So it should not surprise anyone that, at the end of the cold war, 
when the imminent threat of a standoff with a nuclear superpower has 
lessened, that the historic isolationist impulses have reasserted 
themselves. I think the more important thing is that there is a struggle 
within both parties not to let that happen.
    As President, I can speak with one voice; even though the 
Republicans may vote together almost all of the time in the Congress, 
that is not possible for them or even for my Democratic allies in the 
Congress. So I believe one of my most important jobs is to try to 
persuade Americans of both parties not to return to isolationism, not to 
abandon our responsibilities to international development, something the 
President called on the Congress to meet today, and I would like to see 
this become America's commitment, and not a partisan one.
    I will say, I have received a lot of support from Republicans for my 
foreign policy initiatives, even though most of them oppose what we were 
trying to do in Bosnia, for example. I don't want this to become a 
partisan issue. I want America to be Europe's partner for peace and 
democracy and freedom without regard to which party is dominating our 
politics here.
    We are building a new consensus for that, and our building job is 
not over. But I don't think that it should become a part of France's 
concern in terms of the internal politics of the United States.

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    President Chirac. Yes, I certainly wouldn't wish to interfere in any 
way in domestic policy of the United States. While I can say that I get 
on very well with Bill Clinton, I say that I also got on very well with 
George Bush. So you can draw whatever conclusions you like from that.

Flat Tax

    Q. Mr. President, a lot of people are probably interested in your 
opinion of the Malcolm Forbes success in the polls, at least, and 
specifically, how do you see his flat tax? Is this something that you're 
looking at and something that you would endorse, because it certainly 
appears to have a following out there?
    President Clinton. First of all, I don't know because I can't answer 
the question of why he's doing well, except that I know only what all of 
you tell me, you know, through the media I read about it. But I think 
that he has obviously been able to have a commanding financial lead in 
advertising his positions, and they're sharply formed and clear.
    And I think the flat tax has a lot of appeal to a lot of Americans 
for two reasons. Number one, it seems to be simple, and a lot of people 
find the tax code complex. It gives them a headache to think about. And 
number two, it has a superficial fairness, and even if it's not fair, 
people say the system we've got is not fair. So maybe I would trade one 
unfair system for another one just for more simplicity. And of course 
there are some, thirdly, who believe that it would actually promote 
greater economic growth. I think that's a relatively small number of 
people.
    My problem with the flat tax is twofold. Number one, I think that 
every one I have seen--every one I have seen--is projected to run a huge 
deficit for the United States Government. And when you close the gaps 
that would be necessary to avoid running a deficit to make it revenue 
neutral, every one I have seen raises taxes on Americans with incomes 
under $100,000. That is a level of unfairness I think is inappropriate.
    Now should we do things to simplify the tax code? I think we should. 
We now have, oh, 57 percent of our filers file the standard deduction at 
15 percent. We're trying to get millions more people filing their 
Federal, State, and local taxes together. We're trying to offer more 
people the opportunity to file electronically, file over the telephone. 
There may be other things we can do to make the system both fair and 
simpler.
    But I have seen no flat tax proposal which I could support, because 
I can't support going back to the early years of the eighties where we 
have some supply side theory that explodes the deficit. That's what 
we're paying for now. And I can't, in good conscience, support a system 
that would raise taxes on all Americans with incomes under $100,000.

Foreign Aid

    Q. You said that it's important that--it's a bad thing if the 
developed countries reduce their aid to the underdeveloped countries. 
You said this, President Chirac. Do you think that President Clinton 
understood and heard your message?
    President Chirac. Yes, I did have the feeling that he really got the 
message. I didn't at all feel that I was preaching in the desert.
    President Clinton. I agree with him entirely. I am opposed to the 
reduction of United States support for the IDA. Most Americans, when the 
Congress does that, they are playing to a popular feeling in the country 
that the United States spends a fortune on foreign aid. In fact, the 
United States only spends about one percent of its budget on foreign 
aid. There is no other rich country in the world that spends a smaller 
percent of its budget on foreign aid than we do.
    Now, we can justify being a little below other countries because we 
spend a higher percentage of our income on defense with global defense 
commitments in Europe, in Japan and Korea and elsewhere in ways that 
benefit the whole world, and south of our border. So we could be 
forgiven, perhaps, for not spending the same percentage of our income 
and our budget on foreign aid as other countries because of what we do 
for global defense.
    But we shouldn't be going lower. And I agree. I agree with President 
Chirac on that. And then, to go back to the question we were asked about 
isolationism, it seems to me that the biggest short-term danger we have 
in isolationism is on the question of not contributing that small amount 
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programs, which will prevent problems from occurring. I have received 
the support I needed from the United States Congress and from the 
American people to move in Haiti, to move in Bosnia, to be active in the 
Middle East and in Northern Ireland, to do what had to be done, even in 
crises times, in other places.
    But the problem is that even in this time of balancing the budget, 
this is such a small part of our budget. President Chirac is absolutely 
right in emphasizing this to all the developed countries in the world.

Whitewater

    Q. Mr. President, just a short time ago, Susan MacDougal's attorney 
told me that he has filed a request today to have you subpoenaed to 
testify. And that would be to substantiate Susan MacDougal's claims 
regarding David Hale and the loan. What do you think of this request, 
and would you want to testify on this matter if it comes to a subpoena?
    President Clinton. I can't comment on it, because I don't know what 
the facts are. I'm sorry.
    You want not ask one more question?
    Q. He has issued it, though.

Bosnia

    Q. This is a question to both Presidents. It was said that the 
military American presence in Bosnia would be limited to one year. And 
you certainly talked about this. So what would be advisable? What should 
one do at the end of one year?
    President Clinton. Well, first of all, before I said that to the 
American people, there was a peace agreement in Dayton with a military 
annex that set forth precisely what the mission would be. And if I might 
compliment the Presidents of Bosnia, Croatia, and Serbia, they actually 
involved NATO's military leaders in developing this annex. And they 
said, here is what we want the military mission to be, not the economic 
development mission, not the civilian police mission, not the political 
mission--the military mission. We want you to separate the forces. We 
want you to maintain free movement within the country. We want you to 
help, insofar as you can, to facilitate that movement, and to give the 
parties time to let peace take hold.
    And the judgment of the military commanders was that this particular 
mission, the military mission, should go on for no more than a year, 
that after a year people should be able to worry about the other things, 
the political, the economic, the civilian law enforcement, police-type 
work that had to be done. And so I believe the world community will have 
to find mechanisms to do that.
    But at the end of the--we said about a year, the military mission, 
as defined in the Dayton talks and ratified in the Paris peace signing, 
can be completed. That's what our military people said. So all I did was 
to reflect the military opinion of our generals and NATO's generals.
    Q. Thank you Mr. President.
    President Clinton. Thank you very much.

Note: The President's 114th news conference began at 5:12 p.m., in Room 
450 of the Old Executive Office Building. President Chirac and the 
French journalists spoke in French, and their remarks were translated by 
an interpreter. In his remarks, he referred to President Hafiz al-Asad 
of Syria, President Shimon Peres of Israel, President Alija Izetbegovic 
of Bosnia-Herzegovina, President Franjo Tudjman of Croatia, and 
President Slobodan Milosevic of Serbia.