[Weekly Compilation of Presidential Documents Volume 31, Number 44 (Monday, November 6, 1995)]
[Pages 1951-1952]
[Online from the Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]
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Remarks in a Telephone Conversation With Democratic Congressional
Leaders
October 27, 1995
Senator Thomas A. Daschle. Hello, Mr. President.
Congressman Richard A. Gephardt. Hello, Mr. President.
The President. How are you?
Senator Daschle. Not good.
The President. Tell me what's going on.
Senator Daschle. Well, we're still working on our reconciliation
bill. Democrats are offering a series of amendments that deal directly
with each of the concerns that we have. But I must say it doesn't appear
that there is any prospect of improving this bill. This bill is just as
mean and as extreme as it was when it was introduced. It ends Medicare,
it rewards the rich, and ravages the rest. And so I must tell you, I am
very disappointed to report that every Democrat here in the Senate
tonight at some point will be voting against this piece of legislation.
The President. Tell them not to worry about it; I'm going to veto it
anyway.
Senator Daschle. Well, I applaud you for that because I must tell
you it is a terrible piece of legislation. It's the wrong plan for the
wrong reason, done the wrong way to help the wrong people. And I----
The President. Otherwise you don't feel strongly about it.
[Laughter] You know, this is one of those moments in our history when
I'm grateful for the wisdom of the Founding Fathers. I mean, the
Congress gets to propose, but the President has to sign or veto. And the
Constitution gave me that authority, and one of the reasons for the veto
is to prevent excess. And this is--we are willing to work with them in
good faith to balance this budget. We believe in that. You saw what--and
America saw earlier this week--what the Democrats did to bring the
deficit from 290 billion down to 255, then to 205, then to 164, when we
were all working together. And that approach has been rejected. So I
will have no alternative but to veto it. It's excessive, and it's wrong
for all the reasons you said.
I just want to urge you to keep offering your amendments, standing
up, make it clear what you believe in, and tell everybody to just stay
positive and just stand up there, stand for what we believe in.
Senator Daschle. Mr. President, I've consulted with virtually every
member of our caucus, and they have all indicated that if you veto it,
we will have the votes and then some to sustain that veto.
The President. Dick?
Congressman Gephardt. Mr. President, we have the very same situation
in the House. We had a very united Democratic Party. As you know,
yesterday, we had 203 votes against their plan. We even picked up 10
Republicans who voted against the plan.
The President. Brave souls.
Congressman Gephardt. So the phalanx is beginning to splinter a
little bit. But they will stand behind you and sustain this veto. And I
must tell you that I really believe the American people will be behind
you as well.
I was at Cambridge Hospital this morning with Joe Kennedy, and
Hillary had been there I think about a year ago. This is a hospital, as
you know, that has about 60 percent Medicare and Medicaid. It's a public
hospital. And they really believe that if cuts of this magnitude go
through, they'll have to close the hospital. And I met with the doctors
and nurses and the staff there and told them that I believed you would
veto this legislation if it got through and that we would stand behind
that veto. And they applauded and applauded and applauded because it
means whether or not there's going to be health care in that community
and communities all over the country.
So we're behind you, and we're going to stay there. And we
appreciate what you're doing.
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Senator Daschle. Mr. President, I would say not only are we willing
to support you in your position on vetoing this legislation, but I think
it's also fair to say that every Democrat is prepared to go to work the
day after you veto that bill to work in a constructive way to find
alternatives and to work with Republicans to find some positive
conclusion to this whole affair. It's important we learn to govern, that
we work with Republicans in doing that. But obviously, they have
concluded, as we have, that this veto is the only way that we're going
to get it done. And so we look forward to working with you.
The President. Well, we want to work with them, but we've got to
stick with our principles, you know. They talk about their principles of
balancing the budget and securing Medicare and having some kind of tax
cut. And, you know, I accept that. I think we ought to balance the
budget, secure Medicare, and I'm not opposed to a tax cut if it's
properly targeted and emphasizes childrearing and education for middle
class people.
But I believe that the more important principles are the ones that
have been rejected by them that we had to stand up for. I mean, here we
are on the verge of the 21st century; no major American company would
cut education and training and cut technology and cut research, but they
do. We can't tolerate that.
Nobody would--with any sense of fairness--would raise taxes on
working families with children with incomes of $27,000 a year or less.
That will discourage people moving from welfare to work. But that's what
they do. Nobody who understands what the world is going to be like 10
years from now would have the kind of cuts and crippling provisions
related to the environment that they do.
And of course we've been treated to a real education on Medicare and
Medicaid which is the most grievous thing of all. I mean, we have
obligations to our parents, to the poor children of this country, to the
disabled people, and also to the hospitals and to the doctors and the
others that are participating in these programs. It's just not right.
And so we have our principles to stand for, and we'll stand for
them. And I'm glad you're going to stand with me. And eventually America
will be better for this. If we stand up for America and for the future
and for the things we believe in, it's going to be all right.
But as I said in this phone conversation, I'm probably more grateful
today for the wisdom of the Founding Fathers than I have ever been in my
life. They knew what they were doing, and we're going to use the
Constitution they gave us to stand up for what's right.
Senator Daschle. Well, thank you, Mr. President. We appreciate your
leadership and look forward to working with you.
The President. Thank you. Thank you, Dick.
Congressman Gephardt. Thank you, Mr. President. There's a lot of
people that are glad you're there and glad you've got the veto pen
today, believe me.
The President. Well, just be of good cheer. Just go out there and
debate these things and tell them what we believe in, and it will all
work out. We'll make it work out for America.
Congressman Gephardt. Great.
Senator Daschle. Thank you.
The President. Thanks.
Note: The President spoke at 4:23 p.m. from the Oval Office in the White
House. This item was not received in time for publication in the
appropriate issue.