[Weekly Compilation of Presidential Documents Volume 30, Number 45 (Monday, November 14, 1994)]
[Pages 2288-2290]
[Online from the Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]

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Interview With Mike Siegel of KVI Radio, Seattle, Washington

November 3, 1994

    Mr. Siegel. Very good to talk to you today. You sound a little 
hoarse.
    The President. I'm a little hoarse, but I'm feeling great.
    Q. All right. Let's go right to it then. One thing that crosses my 
mind is something that you were in fact one of the creators of back in 
the mid-eighties, Democratic Leadership Council, and talked a great deal 
about bringing the party back to a centrist kind of position. And now we 
see today that there is, according to the New York Times today, a two-
to-one margin of the people in this country believe Government should be 
less involved in solving national problems, which would be consistent 
with what the Democratic Leadership Council said, as you were one of 
those who were the inspiration to create it.
    And then there are those who now criticize what you have done 
because of the health care and the crime bill and the environmental 
proposals and the very large budget proposals that you've made. Are you 
creating big Government again, in contradiction to what you wanted to do 
at the Democratic Leadership Council?
    The President. Absolutely not. The people wouldn't feel that way if 
they were given the facts. This year, for the first time in 25 years, 
the Congress adopted a budget that I recommended that reduced both 
defense and domestic spending--this year, first time in 25 years.

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    The only thing that increased this year was health care costs, 
because we refused to act, Medicare and Medicaid. We reduced domestic 
spending. We reduced defense spending. We have reduced the size of the 
Federal Government. There are 70,000 fewer people working for the 
Government than there were on the day I was elected. There will be a 
reduction of 270,000 people in the life of my budgets. And the crime 
bill was a bill that empowered local governments.
    I don't understand where people get off saying that's the National 
Government interfering in crime. What we did with the crime bill was to 
reduce the size of the Federal Government by 270,000 and give it to 
local communities to hire police, to build prisons, to have the 
resources in the courts for tougher punishment and alternatives to 
imprisonment for first offenders, and to have prevention programs. 
That's what we did with the money.
    So the crime bill is evidence of reducing the size of the Federal 
Government to empower people at the local level to reduce the crime 
rate. If you look at the initiatives we have taken, basically all the 
major initiatives we have taken are designed to empower individuals to 
assume greater responsibility for themselves: the Family and Medical 
Leave Act, the expansion of Head Start, the apprenticeship programs for 
young people who don't go to college, the better repayment terms for 
college loans. Basically, I have implemented chapter and verse the 
agenda of the Democratic Leadership Council.
    Now what is the problem? There are three problems. One is that 
Republicans tried to kill all the major initiatives that we passed. They 
were against deficit reduction, against the middle class college loans, 
against the crime bill, against everything. And they characterized it as 
big Government and taxes because they had to find some way to cover up 
their opposition.
    And secondly, on the health care debate, I was not for a big 
Government health care plan. My plan provided private health insurance 
for small business people and self-employed people on the same terms 
that those of us who work for Government and big companies got it. It 
wasn't presented to the American people that way because the special 
interest groups who were going to lose money in it spent $200 million or 
more to tell the American people something different.
    And one of the things that we have learned in this information age 
is if you have enough money, you can just buy your message, and it's 
very hard for people to know whether it's accurate or not. But if you 
look at where we are today compared to where we were when I took office, 
we've got more jobs, we've got a lower deficit. We've got more high-wage 
jobs. We've got a smaller Federal Government. We've taken a serious 
approach to crime. We've done things to help working families, to expand 
education, to have more trade, and a smaller threat to our national 
security abroad. The country is in better shape than it was 21 months 
ago. We've moving in the right direction.
    Mr. Siegel. Let me give you a couple of other quick questions 
because your time is short; your office is telling us that. In the poll 
that came out in the Times, CBS-New York Times poll, 27 percent of the 
people believe the country is going in the right direction, and 56 
percent disapprove of your handling of the economy. There's something in 
the perception of the American people that says we're not doing the 
right thing. You're the CEO of the country, why do the people feel that 
way?
    The President. Well, I have very little control from time to time 
over how they feel. What is the information they get? What are the 
facts? I deal in the facts. The facts are: job growth is very fast in 
the first 2 years of my administration, after the worst job growth since 
the Depression, under the Bush administration. The fact is that the 
deficit went up under the previous administrations until they quadrupled 
the debt. We're bringing it down. The fact is we're getting more high-
wage jobs into the country. If the American people don't know it, they 
obviously can't act on it.
    Now, what are the problems the American people have? We have 20 
years of accumulated insecurity in our work force, people not getting a 
wage increase, people losing their health insurance, people changing 
jobs rapidly. I can't stop them from having to change

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jobs rapidly, so I'm trying to institute a system of lifetime education 
and training.
    I tried to make sure that working people wouldn't lose their health 
insurance. The Republicans and the special interest groups stopped me. 
But I tried to deal with that. But by every objective measure, the 
economy is in better shape and the country is in better shape.
    I would also have to say, as you well know and as studies have 
documented, the way people get their information today in America is 
overwhelmingly skewed to negative information, to conflict, to failure, 
to negativism. And that's just a matter of fact. I am doing my best to 
shed some light on this, to get the truth out to the American people. 
But every day, they're told bad things, bad things, bad things. The 
truth is very different.
    When I travel abroad on behalf of our country, world leaders ask me 
what is going on in the United States? How could people possibly be 
pessimistic when our economy is so much stronger than theirs, when we 
are doing so much better, when we are doing so much better than we were? 
The answer is, the people don't know. I am doing my very best to cut 
through the fog and shine some daylight and tell the truth. It's a 
daunting challenge, but I'm doing the best I can.
    Mr. Siegel. Mr. President, I don't mean to interrupt you, I want to 
keep you, but your office is telling us you have to go. I'm going to be 
in DC November 14th for that week, broadcasting this program. I hope we 
can get more time to talk during that week.
    The President. Well, I hope we can. And I'm looking forward to being 
there on Sunday. I'm going to do a rally there on Sunday at 12:30 p.m. 
at the Pikes Peak----
    Mr. Siegel. Pike Place Market, yes. You'll have a lot of people out 
here then.
    The President. I hope they will. And I'm going to be putting this 
message out there. You can't blame the people for this; they can only 
act on what they know. But if they had--it's a very strange situation. 
We have never had an election in which the information the people had 
was so at variance with the facts. And if they have the facts, they're 
going to vote to keep on going the way we are.
    It's an amazing thing where the 1980's and trickle-down economics 
and explosion of the debt and shifting our jobs overseas--that's what 
got us in the trouble we're in.
    Look at Washington State. Since I've been President, we're selling 
Washington apples in Asia for the first time. We're selling these Boeing 
airplanes around the world and doing everything we can to keep those 
jobs at Boeing. The economy has done much, much better.
    And you started with this DLC thing. I have absolutely kept the 
commitments I made in the DLC credo, to move this country to the center 
and push it forward. The people just need to have the evidence and the 
facts; then they need to feel it.
    Mr Siegel. Well, Mr. President, I thank you again. I'm sorry we 
don't have more time, but I hope we will get time during that week I'm 
in DC in November.
    The President. Yes, well, check in with us. I'd love to do the 
interview.
    Mr. Siegel. Thank you very much. Good to talk to you, and have a 
good week if you would.
    The President. Goodbye.

Note: The interview began at 5:25 p.m. The President spoke by telephone 
from the Savery Hotel in Des Moines, IA. This item was not received in 
time for inclusion in the appropriate issue.