[Weekly Compilation of Presidential Documents Volume 30, Number 25 (Monday, June 27, 1994)]
[Pages 1339-1344]
[Online from the Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]

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Interview With Kevin Horrigan and Charles Brennan of KMOX Radio in St. 
Louis, Missouri

June 24, 1994

    Representative Richard Gephardt. Hi, Kevin and Charles. We want to 
welcome the President of the United States today. We're on Air Force 
One, and we're going to be in St. Louis in a few minutes. And we welcome 
the President to our great city.
    Q. And we welcome you, Mr. Clinton, to the voice of St. Louis, KMOX 
Radio.
    The President. Thank you. It's good to be on KMOX, and it's good to 
be coming back to St. Louis.

Campaign Finance Reform

[At this point, an interviewer asked the President to justify raising 
$40 million in campaign funds after having campaigned during the 
Presidential election to reform campaign financing.]

    The President. I justify it because of the opposition policies of 
the Republican Party and all the special interest groups that have 
raised and spent far more money against us, attacking me and my policies 
and spreading disinformation to the American people. Let me say that all 
this time, ever since I've been in office, I have worked hard to pass a 
campaign finance reform bill, which would limit these kinds of 
contributions right across the board to both political parties and 
restore basically unfettered debate to the central position it ought to 
have in our political system.
    But I don't believe in unilateral disarmament. The money that I have 
raised will be used to try to make sure that the Democratic parties 
throughout the country in these fall elections and our candidates will 
at least have a fighting chance to talk about our record and the facts 
and what we've done here. If we could change the rules for everybody, 
that's what we ought to do.
    When I ran for President, I didn't even take any PAC money. And I 
have worked very, very hard to pass campaign finance reform laws and 
lobby reform laws which will make the system better. But until I do, it 
would be a mistake for the Democrats to just lay down and not raise any 
money, letting the Republicans and a lot of their allied groups have all 
the money in the world when they already have greater access to a lot of 
things like a lot of other media outlets than we do.
    Q. Wouldn't you be setting a leadership example, though, if you were 
the first one to say, ``Look, these $15,000-a-table fundraisers 
basically are way out of hand. I've got to put an end to this''?
    The President. Well, I'm trying to put an end to it. All the 
Congress has to do is to

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send me the campaign finance reform bill, and we'll put an end to this 
so-called soft money. I've been working for a year and a half to do it. 
But we have enough problems. The Republicans and the far right in this 
country have their own media networks. We don't have anything like that. 
They have extra organized political action groups that we can't match. 
And they have the Republican Party's fundraising apparatus, which has 
been strengthened by having had the White House for all but 4 years in 
the last 20 years.
    So we have real problems competing. I am more than happy to stop 
this. I've been out there fighting to stop it. All they have to do is to 
send me the campaign finance reform bill, and it'll be done.

[Representative Gephardt lauded the administration's efforts to advance 
campaign finance reform and indicated that both the campaign finance 
reform bill and the bill to limit lobbyist activities would be on the 
President's desk in 3 or 4 weeks.]

    The President. I'd like to emphasize that the things that are within 
my control, requirements and limits on my administration and what can be 
done with regard to lobbying, are stricter now than they have ever been 
in American history because of the things that I've done, that I can do 
on my own. And I want this campaign finance law to change. But we ought 
to change it by the law, and we ought to change it for everyone.

Media Criticism

[An interviewer asked the President if people were becoming more 
cynical, less tolerant.]

    The President. Absolutely. I think there's too much cynicism and too 
much intolerance. But if you look at the information they get, if you 
look at how much more negative the news reports are, how much more 
editorial they are, and how much less direct they are, if you look at 
how much of talk radio is just a constant unremitting drumbeat of 
negativism and cynicism, you can't--I don't think the American people 
are cynical, but you can't blame them for responding that way.
    We, for example, we had a meeting the other day, and a group of 
people were told that under our budgets we were going to bring the 
deficit down 3 years in a row for the first time since Harry Truman was 
President. And some of them said, ``Well, I just don't believe you. We 
never hear that on the news. I just don't believe you.'' It's a fact. 
I've worked hard to do it. And we're going to--we're bringing the 
deficit down. That's what bothers me.
    You know, I just got back from Normandy, celebrating the 50th 
anniversary of D-Day. And when I stood on Normandy beaches and when I 
saw all those rows of crosses there, it occurred to me that those people 
did not die so the American people could indulge themselves in the 
luxury of cynicism. And frankly, that's just what it is. America now 
has--we have the strongest economic performance of any of the advanced 
countries in the world. We're bringing the deficit down at a very rapid 
rate. We're increasing our investment in education and training. We're 
seriously dealing with crime, with welfare reform, with health care for 
the first time in decades. We have broken gridlock in the Congress; 
bills that languished around for 6 or 7 years like the Brady bill and 
the family and medical leave bill have passed. The economy in St. Louis 
is booming.
    There is no reason to be cynical. But the American people keep being 
told that things are bad and politicians are corrupt and the system's 
broken. That's just not true.
    You look at what we're coming to St. Louis to celebrate today, this 
Summer of Service. We've got 7,000 young Americans who are going to be 
earning money for their college education by working and making their 
communities safer all across this country; in the fall, 20,000 young 
Americans, doing community service work, earning money for an education, 
helping to solve problems. These kids aren't cynical. They know that 
their country is a good place, and they're going to make it better. 
We've got a lot of serious problems, and frankly, we can't afford this 
cynicism. But it's all the rage today.

[An interviewer asked the President if growing cynicism could not be 
traced to incidents such as the disappearance of towels and bathrobes 
from the U.S.S. George Washington.]

    The President. Well, first of all, we're not sure that just the 
White House staff did that. There were press people. There were lots

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of other people on that boat who were not members of the White House 
staff. We think it--I'm not entirely sure it was. And the George 
Washington is very, very upset by the press reports that those towels, 
which were obviously taken as souvenirs, were taken by all the White 
House staff. They never said that we stole anything. That's the kind of 
thing I'm talking about.
    But let me just say this: Someone in the White House personally 
reimbursed the George Washington for all of them, because they felt so 
bad. And the people who were running the aircraft carrier said that they 
were astonished that the White House staff was charged with taking all 
those things, that there were members of the press there, there were 
other people there on that carrier. They weren't at all sure that White 
House staff had done that. But someone on my staff was so upset that 
anybody had done it that they reimbursed them entirely so that they 
didn't lose a thing on it.
    But you know, I could give you a lot of examples--a year ago there 
was a widely reported story that I kept airplane traffic waiting an hour 
in Los Angeles to get a haircut in an airport. That wasn't true either. 
It wasn't true at the time. And I told the press it wasn't true. They 
ran the story anyway. Then 4 weeks later when the FAA filed their 
official report, they said, ``No, there were no planes kept waiting.''
    Now, I am not responsible for stories that are written that are not 
fully accurate or untrue, but it feeds into this cynicism.
    Last year the Congress and the President, according to all 
nonpartisan reports, had the most productive year working together, 
getting things done for America, dealing with difficult issues, of any 
first year of a President since the end of World War II, except Dwight 
Eisenhower's first year and President Johnson's first year, which were 
about the same. And to be frank, we did it under more difficult 
circumstances with tougher issues. I'll bet you nobody in America knows 
that. Now, that's not entirely our fault.
    Look at all the things you could have asked me about, and you just 
asked me that. Did you know that there were other people on that 
aircraft carrier? Did you know there were press people on the aircraft 
carrier? Did you know that the--that the carrier had been fully 
reimbursed out of the private pocket of a White House staff member who 
was so upset about it?
    Q. No, I didn't know that the White House----
    The President. No. No. Why didn't you know that? Because the press 
reporting it didn't say so.
    Q. Yes.
    The President. I mean, part of the problem in this country today is 
that--this is a good country with a lot of people working hard to get 
things done. And the American people are entitled to have some balanced 
and fair picture of what's going on.
    We've had 3.5 million new jobs come into this economy since I've 
been President, far more than in the previous 4 years combined. Most 
Americans don't even know it, because that's not the purpose of a lot of 
what's communicated to them.
    And I think that--I have a very high responsibility. I don't mind 
you asking me whether I should set an example on campaign contributions, 
but there are a lot of other examples that need to be set in this 
country. And I think the people who communicate to the American people 
need to ask themselves, what are we telling the people? Are we telling 
them the whole truth? Do they know what's good as well as what's bad in 
this country. And when we make a mistake, then we fess up to it.
    I think that there is a lot of cynicism in this country. But 
frankly, I think there are a lot of vested interests that are promoting 
the cynicism.

The Religious Right

    Q. Mr. President, let's talk about that just a little bit. Today, or 
yesterday, the Republicans in the Senate asked you to disavow a remark 
that I believe Representative Fazio made about evangelical Christians. 
At the same time you've talked about extremists in the other party, the 
Republicans, that you say may be trying to launch a cultural war. 
They're attacking you in very personal, derogatory, moralistic terms. Is 
this the state of political debate in America today, where we call each 
other names?

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    The President. Of course it is. Let me say, first of all, you have 
never found me criticizing evangelical Christians. I have welcomed the 
involvement in our political system of all people and especially people 
of faith. I have bent over backwards as a Governor and as a President to 
respect the religious convictions of all Americans. I have strong 
religious convictions myself.
    But that is very different, that is very different from what is 
going on, when people come into the political system and they say that 
anybody that doesn't agree with them is Godless, anyone who doesn't 
agree with them is not a good Christian, anyone who doesn't agree with 
them is fair game for any wild charge, no matter how false, for any kind 
of personal, demeaning attack.
    I don't suppose there's any public figure that's ever been subject 
to any more violent, personal attacks than I have, at least in modern 
history, anybody's who's been President. That's fine. I deal with them. 
But I don't believe that it's the work of God. And I think that's what 
the issue is. I do not believe that people should be criticized for 
their religious convictions. But neither do I believe that people can 
put on the mantle of religion and then justify anything they say or do. 
I think that's what Mr. Fazio was talking about.
    We don't need a cultural war in this country. We've never done very 
well when our politics has been devoted to dividing us along grounds of 
race, religion, creed, morality. We haven't done very well. We've got a 
lot of serious challenges in this country. And we need to pull together 
and face them. Should we have arguments about moral issues? Of course we 
should. But they ought to be honest and careful and straightforward and 
respectful. And frankly, they're not today.
    Q. Are you talking about folks like the Reverend Jerry Falwell, who 
through his infomercials is selling a videotape critical of you?
    The President. Absolutely. Look at who he's talking to. Does he make 
full disclosure to the American people of the backgrounds of the people 
that he's interviewed that have made these scurrilous and false charges 
against me? Of course not. Is that in a good Christian spirit? I think 
it's questionable.
    But I think it's very important that the Democrats be careful--let 
me say this--to make a clear distinction between tactics with which they 
do not agree and radical positions with which they do not agree, and the 
whole notion of evangelical Christians being involved in our politics. I 
think that evangelical Christians should be good citizens, should be 
involved in our politics. They can be Republicans or Democrats; they can 
do whatever they want. But remember that Jesus threw the moneychangers 
out of the temple. He didn't try to take over the job of the 
moneychangers.

Decline of the Dollar

    Q. Mr. President, world financial markets today report a continued 
slide of the U.S. dollar against other world currencies. What can or 
should the United States Government do to halt this slide?
    The President. Well, the Secretary of Treasury will have an 
announcement about it today. Let me say, just make one point about it. 
This is a development that is puzzling a lot of economists because our 
economy is performing so well. Our job growth is greater than any other 
of the advanced countries. Our unemployment rate is lower than any of 
the advanced countries, except Japan.
    In a funny way the currency values are running in the opposite 
direction of economic strength because Japan has a great trade surplus 
with us, as you know. If their economy is weak, no matter what they do, 
they can't lower the trade surplus because they don't have the money to 
buy more American products if their own economy is weak.
    So in a funny way, the perception of a weak economy in Japan has 
driven the American dollar down against the Japanese yen because their 
trade surplus has continued to be high. The German economy, thank 
goodness, is coming back a little bit, and that's a good thing, but it 
strengthens the German mark. The American dollar is actually stronger 
against a lot of other currencies in the world than it was a year ago. I 
think it's important that we not overreact to this. But the Secretary of 
the Treasury will have a statement today which will demonstrate the 
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we're taking. And I think it's a prudent thing to do.
    Q. If I sense anything today, it seems like a frustration on your 
part about an inability or just--for some reason, you haven't gotten 
across to the American people the messages that you want to get across. 
Is that pretty much true?
    The President.  Well, let me ask you something, I'm coming to St. 
Louis to inaugurate the Metrolink, a Federal project, which is good for 
St. Louis; to talk about the Summer of Service and the crime bill, the 
most important crime legislation in the history of the United States; 
and the national service program, which is going to have thousands of 
young people working to make our communities safer, all of those things, 
initiatives under my administration, and you didn't ask me about any of 
them.
    So I'm not frustrated about it exactly, but I tell you, I have 
determined that I'm going to be aggressive about it. After I get off the 
radio today with you, Rush Limbaugh will have 3 hours to say whatever he 
wants. And I won't have any opportunity to respond. And there's no truth 
detector. You won't get on afterwards and say what was true and what 
wasn't. So all I'm telling you is, I'm going to be far more aggressive 
because the American people are entitled to know what's going on good in 
this country.
    When I go overseas--I just got back from Europe, and the European 
press came up to me after--on several occasions--members of the press in 
Europe, and say, ``What is going on in your country? You've got things 
going well; you are nothing like they portray you; the things that are 
happening are positive; we are bewildered.'' Members of the press in 
Europe said that to me repeatedly. So I decided instead of being 
frustrated, I needed to be aggressive, and I'm going to be aggressive 
from here on in. I'm going to tell what I know the truth to be.
    Q. No more Mr. Nice Guy?
    The President. I'm going to be very nice about it, but I'm going to 
be aggressive about it.

Health Care Reform

    Q. Well, let me ask you a little something about health care, 
because I know this has been the number one, or at least in the top 
three in terms of issues for you. And you promised long ago to veto any 
bill that crossed your desk that did not promise 100 percent health care 
coverage in the United States. You said you'd veto that, any bill that 
did not insure every single living American.
    The President. [Inaudible]--universal, we need to have universal 
coverage. That's what I said.
    Q. Are you willing to compromise on this right now if it turns out 
to be a political reality that Congress cannot go for the full universal 
health care?
    The President. Well, I think Congress will adopt universal health 
care. There may be some minor debates about exactly how to define that, 
but the real issue is, is will Congress provide health insurance to all 
working Americans? Will they provide a mechanism to do it? I still think 
there's a good chance they'll do it.
    Now, to go back to the first question you asked, there have been 
tens of millions of dollars in kind of disinformation spent to falsely 
characterize the approach that I wanted to take. I am very flexible and 
always have been about how we do it. But I do believe that it is not 
rational for the United States to be the only country in the world that 
can't figure out how to guarantee health care coverage to middle class 
working Americans. And in fact, we're going in reverse. We're losing 
ground. We've got a smaller percentage of our people insured than we did 
10 years ago. All the other advanced countries insure everybody and yet 
we spend 40 percent more of our income on health care than anybody else 
does. It doesn't make any sense to me.
    So I think Congress will find a way to do this. I think they'll 
measure up for the challenge. And I'm going to keep working with them. I 
think there's lots of different ways to do it, and I think we'll find a 
way to do it. I'm very, very hopeful now. And I think Mr. Gephardt's 
hopeful now.

[Representative Gephardt stated that Congress is making progress on 
health care reform.]

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    Q. Mr. President, on behalf of everyone listening to KMOX, thank you 
very much for joining us this morning.
    The President. Thank you. Goodbye.

Note: The interview began at 11:07 a.m. The President spoke from Air 
Force One en route to St. Louis. In his remarks, he referred to Rev. 
Jerry Falwell and Rush Limbaugh, conservative radio and television 
commentators. A tape was not available for verification of the content 
of these remarks.