    [Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: George W. Bush (2008, Book II)]
    [December 15, 2008]
    [Pages 1462-1466]
    [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]

    The President's News Conference With President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan in Kabul, Afghanistan
    December 15, 2008

    [At this point, President Karzai spoke in Dari, and no translation was
    provided.]

        President Karzai. Most welcome, Mr. President. Most welcome.
        President Bush. Thank you, sir. Yes, thanks, Mr. President; it's
    good to be with a dear friend. You and I have spent a lot of time
    together, and we have done a lot of work together, all aiming to give
    the people of Afghanistan a better life. And I'm proud to be with you.
        I hope you understand why it is important for me to get back to
    Washington, and that is because my wife expects
    for me to be back in Washington. [Laughter] We have a holiday reception
    at the White House, and so I'm going to have to hustle back; after all,
    I did sneak out of town under the dark of night. And now I'm going to go
    back home having visited this important country. So thanks for having
    me. And she sends her best. As you well know, that Laura's--one of her
    great passions is to stand with the courageous women in Afghanistan. And
    I can assure you, Mr. President, that after our time in Washington, we
    both look forward to continuing to stay in touch and to continuing to
    stay engaged with the people of Afghanistan. So Laura sends her deep
    respect and great affection for the people of Afghanistan.
        You know, I was thinking when I--right before we landed, how much
    Afghanistan has changed since I have been the President. And sometimes
    it's hard when you're in the midst of a difficult situation, it's hard
    to get perspective. In 2001, the Taliban were brutally repressing the
    people of this country. I remember the images of women being stoned or
    people being executed in the soccer stadium because of their beliefs.
    There was a group of killers that were hiding here and training here and
    plotting here to kill citizens in my country.
        Right after the attacks, I made it abundantly clear that we would
    bring people to justice for our own security and made it abundantly
    clear that if a group of people harbored a terrorist, they were equally
    as guilty as a terrorist. And we gave the Taliban an opportunity to
    respond; they didn't. And American troops proudly liberated the people
    of Afghanistan. That's what life was like.
        Now we could have replaced one power person with another. That would
    have been, I guess, the easy route, and then just left it behind, say
    we've done our duty and we've upheld the doctrine, and said, ``Okay,
    we're now going to take this group, replace them with this group,'' and
    just got out of the way. But that's not--that, one, didn't learn the
    lessons of the eighties and the nineties. And secondly, the interest is
    to build a flourishing democracy as an alternative to an hateful
    ideology. And it's not easy work. Afghanistan is a huge country. The
    road system is not nearly as well developed as a lot of other countries.
    You're just beginning to develop your resource base in a way that I hope
    benefits the people of Afghanistan; after all, it's their resources.
        It's difficult because extremists refuse to accept the beauty of
    democracy. They've got a different vision, and so therefore, they're
    willing to kill innocent people to achieve their objectives.
        There has been a lot of progress since 2001; after all, girls are
    back in school. I happen to believe that's important. As the father of
    twin girls, I
    couldn't imagine living in a society where my little girls couldn't have
    a chance to realize their God-given potential.
        President Karzai. Yes.

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        President Bush. You've got boys flying kites again in Afghanistan.
    You've got health clinics up all across the country. The President was
    telling me of a health clinic in the remote northeast region of
    Afghanistan, a place where it had been unimaginable.
        President Karzai. [Inaudible]
        President Bush. Yes. The economy has more than doubled in size. It
    needs to double in size again, and then double in size again, no
    question. But it has doubled in size. Security forces are growing
    stronger. You've got good people in Afghanistan who are--you know, want
    to work to provide security so that a political process can grow behind
    it.
        Now there's been good progress made, but there are a lot of tough
    challenges. One of the great, interesting things that I'll be watching--
    since I believe so strongly in democracy--are the upcoming elections.
    And I've talked to General McKiernan, he
    said--who's told me that--about the strategy, along with Ambassador
    Wood, about the strategy to help the
    Afghan folks--the military, and political leaders--get the elections up
    and running. And it's going to be an exciting time for the people of
    Afghanistan, to go to the polls and be able to express their opinion.
    And I'm sure the press corps, the Afghanistan press corps, is looking
    forward to covering the elections. It'll give you something to do in a
    very important part of your country's history.
        I told the President that you can count on the United States; just
    like you've been able to count on this administration, you'll be able to
    count on the next administration as well. It's in our interest that
    Afghanistan's democracy flourish. It's in America's interest that we
    forever deny safe haven for people who still want to kill our citizens.
        And so, Mr. President, I come bringing the greetings of the country.
    It has been a privilege to work with you over these years. I have come
    to admire you, I appreciate your service, and I wish you and the people
    of Afghanistan all the very best.
        President Karzai. Most welcome, Mr. President; it's our pleasure and
    honor. Most welcome.

    Presidential Transition/President-Elect Obama's
    Foreign Policy

        Q. My question is from His Excellency, the President of the United
    States. First, if President-elect Obama brings any change in the war
    against terrorism in Afghanistan or any change in the strategy to--
    towards Afghanistan or in the policies? Being from the Republicans, will
    your party support his plannings?
        And second, regarding he said he was in Pakistan and the terrorists
    in Pakistan, what's your message to Obama that how he should deal with
    Pakistani Government regarding terrorists, about the diplomat--using
    diplomatic ways or using military?
        President Bush. Yes. Thank you. First, I am of a different political
    party than President-elect Obama. But I want him to succeed. I want him
    to do well. And to this end, we have worked hard to help the transition.
        Secondly, I think it is interesting that he has picked Secretary
    Gates, the Secretary of Defense under--the
    last couple of years under my administration, who will be the Secretary
    of Defense under his administration. And I think that should send a
    clear signal to the people of Afghanistan that the transition will be a
    smooth transition.
        I expect you'll see more U.S. troops here as quickly as possible in
    parts of the country that are being challenged by the Taliban. I
    remember when President Karzai and President Musharraf and I had the famous dinner at the White House.
        President Karzai. Yes.
        President Bush. And it--you know, the discussions really are the
    same today as they were then, and that is that extremists and terrorists
    and people who use car bombs and suicide bombers to achieve political
    objectives are a threat to all of us.

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    And that there needs to be a comprehensive strategy in helping the
    Pakistan Government deal with those who bring great harm on their
    citizens and bring harm on the citizens of Afghanistan.
        So to answer your question, I think it's a--we need to have a
    collaborative strategy. We need to work together in a constructive way.
    And we are making progress along those lines. You know, I was with
    President Zardari in--I think it was in New
    York. And I had never met him before, and I was reminding him that I'm,
    you know, a person who says that we will defend our country and defend
    our people. The most important job for the President of the United
    States is defend our people from attack.
        He said, ``You don't have to talk to me
    about extremists attacking people, extremists killed my wife.'' And so
    we're--there's a lot of consultations going on with the President--I
    think you're going to be meeting with President Zardari soon.
        President Karzai. Yes.
        President Bush. And that's good, and I appreciate that.
        Olivier [Olivier Knox, Agence France-Presse].

    Military Operations in Afghanistan/Troop Levels in Afghanistan

        Q. Thank you, gentlemen. I have one question for the two of you.
    Canada has announced it's pulling out in 2011; South Korea is already
    gone. In that context are you concerned about the level of international
    support for the war here, and are the 20,000 additional U.S. troops
    enough to bring this conflict to a close?
        President Bush. Yes. Well, first of all, as you know, I've always
    relied upon our military commanders to make the recommendations
    necessary to achieve the objectives we've set forth. We have added
    troops during--twice during my Presidency--obviously, in the initial
    move in and then we added troops to that. I've announced we're going to
    send in more troops. And then, of course, the Obama administration will be analyzing the situation, and it
    sounds like that they intend to expedite the--sending more troops in.
        So--and why do we do that? Because this is what our generals suggest
    we do. To answer your--this is just going to be a long struggle, first
    of all. This doesn't end tomorrow. Ideological struggles take time. As a
    civil society whose firm political institutions begin to develop,
    extremism begins to wither; it gets marginalized, and then it withers
    away. And so it's going to take time. I can't tell you the troop levels
    we'll need; all I know is our generals said, this is what we need now.
    And they--I listened to them, and I'm confident President-elect
    Obama will listen to the commanders as well.
        President Karzai. We are already very grateful to all those
    countries, nations who have come to help Afghanistan, and who have
    already helped Afghanistan. Canada is among the countries that's the
    frontrunner in assistance to Afghanistan. Their plans to withdraw their
    troops by 2011 or '12 is not in contradiction to the understanding that
    we have with them. They will continue to assist us in various other
    forms in Afghanistan.
        What is important here is that while we are continuing to fight
    terrorism and to bring the institutional strength and stability to
    Afghanistan, with an improved economy and improved governance and
    service delivery by the Government, we also work on enabling Afghanistan
    to eventually stand on its own feet. The Afghan people don't want to be
    a burden on the international community forever. And we are grateful
    already that the international community is helping us in blood and
    their taxpayers' money.
        We are grateful to Canada. We are grateful to all other countries,
    as partners for building Afghanistan, for fighting terrorists who are
    the enemies of all of us. So we are happy in any form of assistance
    other countries give us and will be grateful for it.

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        One--pick up one more question, Mr. President? You'd like to
    continue?
        President Bush. All those who want another question, raise your
    hand. [Laughter] I guess so, Mr. President.

    [A reporter began to ask a question in Dari.]

        President Bush. Hold on a second.

    Progress in Afghanistan/Military Operations in Afghanistan

    [The reporter continued his question, and no translation was provided.]

        President Bush. I respectfully disagree with you. The Taliban was
    brutalizing the people of Afghanistan. And they're not in power. And I
    just cited the progress that is undeniable.
        Now, is there more work to be done? You bet. I never said the
    Taliban was eliminated; I said they were removed from power. And I said
    girls are going back to school, and boys are flying kites, and health
    clinics are opening, and the number of university students is
    dramatically expanding, and the number of schools around the country is
    growing, and there's a ring road built. Yes, there's no question there's
    a Taliban that wants to fight back. Why? Because they want to regain
    power. They can't stand the thought of a free society. And they're
    lethal, and they are tough. No question about it, no question about it.
        So therefore, is the suggestion because they're tough that we just
    withdraw, that it's too hard work? Not as far as I'm concerned. I think
    it's necessary work. And it's in the interest of the United States that
    we not allow Afghanistan to become a safe haven again for Al Qaida. Al
    Qaida is greatly weakened since 2001. As a matter of fact, they at one
    point declared the most central front in the war on terror in Iraq,
    where they're doing very poorly.
        And they're not doing so well here either. Now, they can hide in
    remote regions. They can hide, but we will stay on the hunt, and we will
    keep the pressure on them, because it's in the people--the peaceful
    people of Afghanistan's interest, just like it's in the interest of this
    country.
        And so is there still difficult days ahead? Absolutely. But are the
    conditions a lot better today in Afghanistan than they were in 2001?
    Unquestionably, undoubtedly, they're better.

    [President Karzai spoke in Dari, and no translation was provided.]

        President Karzai. Mr. President.
        President Bush. Steven Lee [Steven Lee Myers, New York Times].

    Troop Levels in Afghanistan

        Q. Thank you, Mr. President. If I could ask President Karzai first.
    We just came from Iraq, where they've signed an agreement outlining a
    security arrangement, and it includes a withdrawal of American forces
    within 3 years. I wonder if you envisioned a similar kind of arrangement
    where--would you like to see a scheduled withdrawal or a timetable of
    withdrawal for the foreign forces who are in Afghanistan? Thank you.
        President Karzai. Well, sir, Afghanistan is in a cooperative
    arrangement with the United States and the rest of the international
    community. The decision in Afghanistan is to continue our cooperation
    with the international community until we have defeated terrorism and
    extremism and the threat that emanates from them to us, to our
    neighbors, and to the rest of the world. And Afghanistan will not allow
    the international community to leave it before we are fully on our feet,
    before we are strong enough to defend our country, before we are
    powerful enough to have a good economy, and before we have taken from
    President Bush and the next administration billions and billions of more
    dollars--[laughter]--no way that they can let you go.
        President Bush. Yes, you better hurry up, in my case. [Laughter]
        Thank you, sir. Thank you, all.

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        President Karzai. Most welcome, most welcome. Take care. Thanks very
    much. Thank you.

    Note: The President's news conference began at 7:53 a.m. at the
    Presidential Palace. In his remarks, he referred to Gen. David D.
    McKiernan, USA, commander, NATO International Security Assistance Force,
    Afghanistan; former President Pervez Musharraf and President Asif Ali
    Zardari of Pakistan; and former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto of
    Pakistan, who was killed in a suicide attack in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, on
    December 27, 2007. The Office of the Press Secretary also released a
    Spanish language transcript of this press conference.