[Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: George W. Bush (2008, Book I)]
[June 6, 2008]
[Pages 764-767]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]



Interview With Gianni Riotta of Italy's Rai TV
June 6, 2008

Iraq/Afghanistan/Iran

    Mr. Riotta. Mr. President, the world has known tremendous change 
during your tenure, and three areas of concern remain: Iraq, Iran, 
Afghanistan. What's your assessment of those three theaters? And looking 
back in perspective, would you do anything different?
    The President. Well, that's an interesting question on doing 
anything different. Of course, history is going to be the judge of that. 
But the decision, for example, on Iraq, to remove Saddam Hussein, was 
the right decision then, and it's the right decision now.
    The progress in Iraq has been substantial. For a period of time, 
it--the democracy was in doubt, primarily because sectarian violence was 
really unacceptable. I decided to put more troops in, rather than pull 
back, and now the violence is the lowest it's been since March of 2004. 
And politics is beginning to happen. So I'm encouraged about Iraq.
    Afghanistan is also difficult because of new democracy emerging from 
the shadows of a brutal regime. Last year, of course, the Taliban 
announced they were going to go on the offense. In fact, our coalition 
went on the offense and, from a security perspective, made some progress 
against the Taliban. The best progress, though, is the advance of better 
trained police forces--and I thank the Italian Government for helping--
as well as a better Afghan Army, which over time needs to provide the 
security for the country. Iraq will probably--progresses quicker cause 
it's got wealth. Afghanistan is broke.
    Iran--the free world must continue to send a clear message to the 
Iranians that their ability to enrich, which could be transferred to a 
program to develop a nuclear weapon, is unacceptable. And so I will 
continue to work on this trip to talk about the dangers of a nuclear 
Iran--not civilian nuclear power, but a program that would be aimed at 
blackmail or destruction--and that we've got to work to stop them from 
learning how to enrich. And there's other ways to approach it.

Iran

    Mr. Riotta. Should Iran resist the international pressure, military 
option remains open?
    The President. Yes, it does.

Iran/Italy

    Mr. Riotta. Italy wants to join the 5-plus-1 group of contacts 
negotiating with Iran. Germany is skeptical; they don't want us. What do 
you say?
    The President. I say that whatever is effective in terms of sending 
a clear message to Iran. I will be spending time talking to this with 
the Prime Minister, Silvio

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Berlusconi. I've talked to Condi about this 
issue. I said, look, whatever works. Let's make sure we're effective. 
Italy can be an effective voice in sending a message to the Iranians. 
And that you don't have to choose isolation; there's a better way 
forward. Verifiably suspend your enrichment program, and there's a 
better way forward for you and your people.
    And Italy can be a critical part of that. And so we'll work--I 
haven't really taken the temperature that much, but my judgment is, 
Italy can be a very important contributor.

U.S. Foreign Policy/Energy/Food Prices

    Mr. Riotta. The relationship between the United States and Europe 
has been strained sometimes in the recent past. During your trip, what 
do you suggest we can do together vis-a-vis the oil crisis, food crisis, 
and the recession coming?
    The President. Yes, you know--first of all, let me talk about 
strained relations. Look, I've had great relations with many of the 
leaders. America and Italy remain incredibly close. Do we agree on every 
issue? No. But do we agree on common values? Absolutely. We believe in 
human rights and human dignity and free press and free religion. And so 
what unites us is a heck of a lot stronger than those moments where we 
don't necessarily agree on every single issue. And so I will remind 
people of that. I'll remind people that we've got a lot of work to do.
    In terms of the current energy issue, look, we're too dependent on 
hydrocarbons. World demand is such, relative to supply, that the price 
of energy is high. And therefore, we need to be spending monies on new 
technologies to enable us to become less dependent on oil. And I'm a big 
nuclear power guy. I believe the United States must be much more 
aggressive expanding nuclear power for two reasons: one, less dependency 
on hydrocarbons; and two, it will make us better stewards of the 
environment. I mean, if you're concerned about global warming, one thing 
you ought to be concerned about then is making sure that we've got power 
generated from a clean source of energy, a renewable source of energy, 
which is nuclear power.
    The food prices concern me, obviously. But the truth of the matter 
is, one reason why food prices are so high is because energy prices are 
high. I mean, when you think about it, farming is a pretty energy-
intensive business: fertilizer is an energy; driving a tractor is an 
energy; crops to markets require energy. And so the crux of a lot of the 
problem is the energy prices.

Italy-U.S. Relations

    Mr. Riotta. Talking to Prime Minister Berlusconi, what areas do 
you--will you encourage Italy to work with the United States, 
especially?
    The President. Well, Iran, of course, because I just happen to see 
it as a major threat. We--look, we got a lot of common areas: 
Afghanistan--and I will thank the Italian people for their sacrifices to 
help this young democracy. Silvio Berlusconi and I worked a lot of big issues together in the past. 
I know him well, I trust him, I like him. I'm--I find him to be one of 
the really interesting world leaders. And I'm really looking forward to 
seeing him again in his capacity, once again, as the Prime Minister.
    We ought to work on trade matters. We ought to work on diseases like 
HIV/AIDS and malaria on the continent of Africa, for example. I mean, 
there's a lot we can do together.

Pope Benedict XVI

    Mr. Riotta. You met the Pope while in the United States, and how do 
you see his role in trying to reopen the dialogue between different 
civilizations and religions?
    The President. Yes, I think it's--look, the Holy Father is a 
significant world figure. And we had a fabulous visit here, and it was 
such an honor to welcome him to the

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South Lawn of the White House. I wish you could have seen it. But you--
maybe you did see it. I wish your viewers could have seen the reception 
he was given here. I think it was one of the largest crowds ever on the 
South Lawn, like 13,000 people. And my own personal visit with him was 
so uplifting.
    And we did talk about the interfaith dialogue, that I think is 
really important for people to find common ground through religion to, 
like, deal with the violence that is used by some in the name of 
religion, to perpetuate an ideology, and to remind people that peace--
religion is peace. And there's no better person to carry that message 
than His Holy Father.
    I talked to the King of Saudi Arabia about his visit with the Holy Father, and those are 
two very important figures when it comes to obviously Christianity and 
Islam. And I think it's just--I think it's great that he's reaching out.

2008 Presidential Election

    Mr. Riotta. I know you don't want to comment on the Presidential 
elections, but the world is watching and is very excited because----
    The President. Yes.
    Mr. Riotta. ----there is a former war hero, there is an African 
American candidate, there's been Italian Americans, there's been a lady 
running for President. How do you see vitality of the American 
democracy, looking at this?
    The President. Well, look, I'm for McCain, 
and everybody knows that. On the other hand, I thought it was a really 
good statement, powerful moment when a major political party nominates a 
African American man to be their standard 
bearer. And it's good for our democracy that that happened. And we also 
had a major contender being a woman. 
Obviously, Hillary Clinton was a major contender. So I think it's a good 
sign for American democracy.
    Now the debate begins as to who could be the best President. And I'm 
in an interesting position. I ran hard for the Presidency twice; I 
campaigned hard in the off years, and now I'll be passing the mantle on 
to Senator McCain, particularly at the 
convention when he becomes the official nominee of our party. Obviously, 
he's going to be the nominee, but there's a moment at the convention 
where it's, ``Here he is.'' And I'll do my part to help him win, and--
but it's going to be up to him. That's--he'll be the man sitting in the 
Oval Office making the tough decisions for peace and security.

Iraq

    Mr. Riotta. You mentioned history at the beginning of this 
interview. And you know--you're aware that history will ask you about 
Iraq. What do you think now, when you look back to Iraq, especially 
after the report yesterday? Are you still happy with all these 
positions?
    The President. Look, I want to remind people, the report yesterday 
was one of many reports that--everybody thought Saddam Hussein had 
weapons of mass destruction. I will remind people--and one of the things 
that's important about history is to remember the true history. And so 
the Security Council resolution was 15 to nothing on Saddam Hussein: 
disclose, disarm, or face serious consequences. European nations--
France, Great Britain--supported that--1441, because everybody thought 
he had weapons of mass destruction, including many of the people who--of 
the Democratic Party here in the United States. You should listen to 
their words and listen to their quotes.
    And so, absolutely, getting rid of Saddam Hussein was the right 
thing. And it was--we're all disappointed the intelligence wasn't what 
it was. But now the challenge is to help this young democracy survive. 
And a democracy in the heart of the Middle East is going to be, in my 
judgment, a powerful part of change. And we've got to work to free 
people in the Middle East from tyranny, because that is from--the

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place from which the terrorists have launched their attacks.

President's Future

    Mr. Riotta. In the few seconds that are left, what will you do next?
    The President. You know, good question. I haven't had much time to 
think about it, because I've got a lot to do. But I will probably write 
a book talking about the decisions I had to make, precisely to make sure 
that history understands the conditions and the environment during which 
I had to make decisions; start a freedom institute at what's called 
Southern Methodist University in Dallas to talk about the universal 
values of freedom abroad and at home. And other than that, I'm open for 
suggestions.
    Mr. Riotta. Thank you, Mr. President.
    The President. Yes, sir. Thanks. Looking forward to going back to 
Rome. It's a fabulous city, one of the great cities of the world.
    Mr. Riotta. Especially after you leave the White House, come and I 
will take you around. [Laughter] Without the constraint of official----
    The President. I'd love to.

Note: The interview was taped at 10:28 a.m. in the Map Room at the White 
House for later broadcast. In his remarks, the President referred to 
Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi of Italy; Pope Benedict XVI; King 
Abdallah bin Abd al-Aziz Al Saud of Saudi Arabia; Democratic 
Presidential candidate Barack Obama; former Democratic Presidential 
candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton; and Republican Presidential candidate 
John McCain. The interviewer referred to former Republican Presidential 
candidate Rudolph W. Giuliani. The transcript was released by the Office 
of the Press Secretary on June 7. A portion of this interview could not 
be verified because the tape was incomplete.