[Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: George W. Bush (2007, Book II)]
[November 7, 2007]
[Pages 1444-1449]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]



The President's News Conference With President Nicolas Sarkozy of France in Mount Vernon, Virginia
November 7, 2007

    President Bush. Mr. President, welcome. Thank you very much for 
coming here to Mount Vernon, and thank you for coming to the United 
States. I think it's safe to say that you've impressed a lot of people 
here on your journey. You bring a lot of energy, enthusiasm for your 
job, love of your country, and a strong set of universal values in your 
heart.
    We've just had an extensive conversation, one that you'd expect good 
friends to do--to have. We talked about Iran and the desire to work 
jointly to convince the Iranian regime to give up their nuclear weapons 
ambitions for the sake of peace. We talked about the Middle East and the 
upcoming talks at Annapolis, Maryland. We spent some time on Kosovo, and 
I appreciate the President's leadership on Kosovo.
    I can't thank the President enough for his willingness to stand with 
young democracies as they struggle against extremists and radicals. And 
one such democracy is Afghanistan. Mr. President, your leadership on 
that issue for your country was very impressive. You sent a very clear 
message. It's clear that you're a man who does what he says he's going 
to do. It's the kind of fellow I like to deal with.
    And so, Mr. President, I also want to thank your administration in 
your staunch, strong stance for human rights and human dignity. Whether 
they be to those who are oppressed in Burma or Darfur or on the island 
of Cuba, France's voice is important, and it's clear that the human 
rights of every individual are important to the world. And I look 
forward to advancing peace and freedom with you, Mr. President.
    Our bilateral relations are important. They are strong, and we 
intend to keep them that way. And so welcome here to George Washington's 
old home. Proud to have you in America. Thanks for coming.
    President Sarkozy. I want to thank President Bush, his 
administration, and all

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Americans who have welcomed us in such exceptional fashion. I get the 
distinct sense that it is France that has been welcomed so warmly, with 
so much friendship, so much love. This was my hope, my ambition. And 
with Bernard Kouchner, Christine Lagarde, Rachida Dati, and myself, this 
is exactly what we wanted.
    We've been very moved, deeply moved by your wonderful welcome, 
together with Mrs. Laura Bush, yesterday at the White House. I 
especially enjoyed the skit of the dialog between George Washington and 
Lafayette that we witnessed.
    The tokens of friendship that we have seen since we've been here, 
your openmindedness and the fact that we can address any and every 
subject, all those that you mentioned, sir, even though the European 
defense policy and NATO have also been addressed, environmental issues, 
which are close to our heart, and Afghanistan. I said that we would stay 
there because what is at stake is the credibility of the Atlantic 
alliance and the fight against terror.
    We spent hours discussing very important issue, commercial, 
economic, and others. And I will say that we have done so in a spirit of 
openness and trust, and that is something I've been particularly struck 
by. And I can tell you that this visit, I think, has been very widely 
covered in France. So when I say that the French people love the 
American people, that is the truth and nothing but the truth.
    Now, I expressed--I spoke at length this morning, and I think the 
best would be that after President Bush--whom I wish to thank once 
again--we could answer any questions you may have.
    President Bush. Two questions a side. Deb [Deb Riechmann, Associated 
Press]. We'll go----

Pakistan

    Q. Mr. President, you came down so hard on Burma and other nations 
for their crackdowns on prodemocracy demonstrators. Yet you seem to be 
giving Musharraf a pass. So the question is, why are you going so soft 
on Musharraf? Is there a double standard?
    President Bush. I spoke to President Musharraf right before I came over here to visit with President 
Sarkozy. And my message was that we believe strongly in elections, and 
that you ought to have elections soon, and you need to take off your 
uniform. You can't be the President and the head of the military at the 
same time. So I had a very frank discussion with him.
    Look, our objective is the same in Burma as it is in Pakistan, and 
that is to promote democracy. There is a difference, however. Pakistan 
has been on the path to democracy; Burma hasn't been on the path to 
democracy. And it requires different tactics to achieve the common 
objective.
    And as I told you, I just spoke to President Musharraf before I came here. And my message was very, very 
plain, very easy to understand, and that is, the United States wants you 
to have the elections as scheduled and take your uniform off.
    You want to call on somebody?
    President Sarkozy. You know, in France, I don't choose, I don't pick 
the journalists.
    President Bush. You don't get to choose? Who chooses? I choose? 
[Laughter] Who would you like me to choose? [Laughter] Oh, he chose. 
Wait a minute. It didn't last very long, did it?
    President Sarkozy. I didn't choose, I indicated a general direction. 
[Laughter]

Iraq/France-U.S. Relations/Pakistan

    Q. Thank you, Mr. President. My question is on Iraq. Mr. President, 
this morning you talked at length about Afghanistan, Iran, but not Iraq. 
And I wanted to ask both of you, is France reconciled with the United 
States as the United States is reconciled with France? So what about 
Iraq? Can France, for instance, help to get out of the Iraqi quagmire? 
And President Bush,

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where do you stand on Iraq and your domestic debate on Iraq? Do you have 
a timetable for withdrawing troops?
    President Bush. Yes. I don't--you know, ``quagmire'' is an 
interesting word. If you lived in Iraq and had lived under a tyranny, 
you'd be saying, ``God, I love freedom.'' Because that's what's 
happened. And there are killers and radicals and murderers who kill the 
innocent to stop the advance of freedom. But freedom is happening in 
Iraq, and we're making progress.
    And I can't thank the President enough for sending his Foreign 
Minister to Baghdad. It was a clear message 
that freedom matters, that when people are struggling to live in 
freedom, that those of us who have the comfort of a free society ought 
to help them.
    We had a difference of opinion with your great country over whether 
or not I should have used military force to enforce U.N. demands. I 
reminded a TV reporter--I don't know 
if the person is here or not--but I said, I just want to remind you that 
1441 was supported by France and the United States, which clearly said 
to the dictator, you will disclose, disarm, or face serious 
consequences. Now, I'm the kind of person that when somebody says 
something, I take them for their word.
    Having said that, we had a difference of opinion. But I don't sense 
any difference of opinion now that a struggling democracy wants help 
from those of us who live in the comfort of free societies. And, Mr. 
President, the strong gesture of sending your Foreign Minister there wasn't a message to the United States, because 
we're good friends; it was message to the Iraqi citizens that said: We 
hear your cries for freedom; we want you to succeed, because one of the 
lessons of history is, free societies yield peace.
    And so I appreciate your leadership on that issue, and I want to 
thank your Foreign Minister for--I don't 
see your Foreign Minister. Look, the guy was here. [Laughter] Oh, there 
he is, yes, next to--look, the President was blocking--next to Madam 
Rice. Anyway, thank you, sir.
    President Sarkozy. Allow me to give you two answers in one. On 
Pakistan, yes, we're worried about the situation. It's worrisome, and we 
need to have elections as swiftly as possible. You cannot combat 
extremism using the same methods as extremists, and it is very 
important, it is of the essence that Pakistan organize elections. I, 
like President Bush, I wish this to take place as speedily as possible.
    Let me remind you that this is a country of 150 million inhabitants 
who happens to have nuclear weapons. This is very important for us that 
one day we shouldn't wake up with a government, an administration in 
Pakistan which is in the hands of the extremists. And we should, each 
and every one of us, think about this, of the principles, the values 
that we uphold and that we defend and we must continue to uphold. And 
then there's the complexity, as it were, in the field. That's why it's 
important to convene election, call elections.
    Now, on Iraq, Bernard Kouchner's trip to Iraq was very successful. 
What does France want? A united Iraq. No one--no, it is in no one's 
interest to see Iraq dismantled. We want a democratic Iraq. We want a 
diverse Iraq, where each component element of Iraqi society has learned 
to live with others; an Iraq which is--which can administer and govern 
itself and that has the means of ensuring the peace and security of 
every one of its citizens. And that is exactly Bernard Kouchner's 
message when he went to Iraq. And this is in the interest of one and all 
that it be thus, and that position is the position I will defend until 
the end.
    President Bush. Toby [Tabassum Zakaria, Reuters].
    Q. Mr. President, with----
    President Bush. Which one?
    Q. Both of you.
    President Bush. Get moving, will you? [Laughter]

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Oil Prices/Iran

    Q. Okay. Mr. President, with oil approaching $100 a barrel, are you 
concerned that your hard words for Iran on its nuclear program are 
helping drive up oil prices, which can end up hurting the U.S. economy?
    President Bush. No. I believe oil prices are going up because the 
demand for oil outstrips the supply for oil. Oil is going up because 
developing countries still use a lot of oil. Oil is going up because we 
use too much oil, and the capacity to replace reserves is dwindling. 
That's why the price of oil is going up.
    I believe it is important for us to send clear signals to the 
Iranian Government that the free world understands the risks of you 
trying to end up with a nuclear weapon. And therefore, we will work 
together to try to find if there's not rational people inside your 
Government who are tired of isolation and who believe there's a better 
way forward.
    Every time I give a talk about Iran, I make sure I speak to the 
Iranian people. And I want them to hear once again that we discussed 
your country today; that we believe--that I believe that you've got a 
bright future; that we respect your history and respect your tradition. 
However, you are governed by people who are making decisions that are 
isolating you from the rest of the world, and you can do better than 
that.
    The idea of Iran having a nuclear weapon is dangerous, and 
therefore, now is the time for us to work together to diplomatically 
solve this problem. And we spent a lot of time on the subject. And I 
thank the French President for his resolve on solving this issue 
peacefully.
    Do you want to call on some----
    President Sarkozy. I just wanted to say that we exchanged all the 
intelligence and information we had. It is unacceptable that Iran should 
have, at any point, a nuclear weapon. But Iran is entitled to the energy 
of the future, which is civilian nuclear energy. I believe in the 
effectiveness of sanctions. I believe even in the need to toughen the 
sanctions. But in my mind, the two go together. In other words, the 
open--the outstretched hand of dialog, of continuing discussions, 
because Iran deserves a better fate than that isolation. And I cannot 
imagine that there are not people, leaders in Iran who will stop to 
think about the consequences of what is going on.
    This is a great people and a great civilization, and we must be firm 
for as long as there is no gesture on their part. And we have to keep 
the way of dialog open, because we must do everything to avoid the 
worst-case scenario. And this is indeed--was the subject of a very 
lengthy conversation, which showed exactly how convergent our views 
were.

France's Role in Afghanistan/Lebanon's Presidential Election/Spread of 
Democracy

    Q. Mr. President, with respect to your statements on Afghanistan and 
France's commitment on engagement, does this mean that France is going 
to be sending additional ground troops in to fight in the southern 
regions of Afghanistan, as the U.S. wishes them to do?
    How do you feel about the fact that France has been engaging Syria 
on the upcoming Lebanese Presidential election? Do you think that's a 
good idea? And what are the chances that Lebanon will have a 
Presidential election by November 24th? Thank you.
    President Bush. Thanks, good question.
    You want me to go first?
    President Sarkozy. Well, on Afghanistan, I said what I thought and 
what I think. We've talked about it with President Bush. We will not 
pull out of Afghanistan because what is at stake here is the solidity of 
our alliance, and ultimately, what is at stake here is the fight against 
terror. We're thinking about the best way to help bring about a 
democratic Afghanistan. Is it by strength, in stepping up our training 
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we lay the groundwork or the basis of a modern Afghan state? Or is it by 
other means? Maybe perhaps military means? We're still thinking about 
it.
    President Bush. First of all, you know, the Syrian influence in 
Lebanon was something that the previous Government and I worked on to--
collaboratively. And because France and the United States worked 
together, we passed 1551 Resolution out of the United Nations, which got 
Syria out of Lebanon, by and large. And so we spent time collaborating 
on how best to make sure that Syria doesn't influence the Presidential 
elections, that, in fact, the Presidency is picked by the Lebanese 
people.
    And we're--I'm very aware that Mr. Hariri and Nabih Berry are in consultations 
as to whether or not they can come up with an acceptable candidate to 
them, not to Syria; whether or not the Lebanese people can be assured 
that their President is going to be representing the people of Lebanon, 
not the people--not the Government of Syria.
    And I'm comfortable with President Sarkozy's Government sending 
clear messages that meet common objectives. And our common objective 
here is for this Lebanese democracy to survive, thrive, and serve as an 
example for others.
    We will work with France and with others to see that this process be 
completed by November 24th. We believe it's in the interests of the 
Middle East that this Lebanese democracy survive.
    I want Lebanon to serve as an example for the Palestinians, to show 
them what's possible. I believe in a two-state solution. I believe there 
ought to be two states living side by side in peace. So does the 
President; we discussed that today. There's nothing better for the 
Palestinians, to see what is possible with a stable democracy in 
Lebanon.
    The interesting challenge we face in the world in which we live is 
there are murderers who will try to stop the advance of democracy, 
particularly in the Middle East. Isn't it interesting that the places 
where there's most violence is where there's young democracies trying to 
take hold, whether it be Iraq or Lebanon or in the Palestinian 
Territories?
    And the call for nations such as ourselves is to support those who 
want to live in freedom. Freedom is the great alternative to the 
ideology of people who murder the innocent to achieve their political 
objectives--by the way, the very same ones that came and killed 3,000 of 
our citizens.
    And so what I'm telling you is--let me end this press conference by 
telling you this: I have a partner in peace, somebody who has clear 
vision, basic values, who is willing to take tough positions to achieve 
peace. And so when you ask, am I comfortable with the Sarkozy Government 
sending messages, you bet I'm comfortable.
    Mr. President, thanks for coming. I appreciate you being here

Note: The President's news conference began at 3:12 p.m. at the Mount 
Vernon Estate. In his remarks, he referred to President Pervez Musharraf 
of Pakistan; Minister of Foreign and European Affairs Bernard Kouchner 
of France; and Parliament Member Sa'ad al-Din al-Hariri and Speaker of 
Parliament and National Assembly President Nabih Berry of Lebanon. 
President Sarkozy referred to Minister of Economy, Finance, and 
Employment Christine Lagarde and Minister of Justice and Keeper of the 
Seals Rachida Dati of France. President Sarkozy and some reporters spoke 
in French, and their remarks were translated by an interpreter.

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