[Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: George W. Bush (2007, Book II)]
[November 7, 2007]
[Pages 1444-1449]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]
The President's News Conference With President Nicolas Sarkozy of France in Mount Vernon, Virginia
November 7, 2007
President Bush. Mr. President, welcome. Thank you very much for
coming here to Mount Vernon, and thank you for coming to the United
States. I think it's safe to say that you've impressed a lot of people
here on your journey. You bring a lot of energy, enthusiasm for your
job, love of your country, and a strong set of universal values in your
heart.
We've just had an extensive conversation, one that you'd expect good
friends to do--to have. We talked about Iran and the desire to work
jointly to convince the Iranian regime to give up their nuclear weapons
ambitions for the sake of peace. We talked about the Middle East and the
upcoming talks at Annapolis, Maryland. We spent some time on Kosovo, and
I appreciate the President's leadership on Kosovo.
I can't thank the President enough for his willingness to stand with
young democracies as they struggle against extremists and radicals. And
one such democracy is Afghanistan. Mr. President, your leadership on
that issue for your country was very impressive. You sent a very clear
message. It's clear that you're a man who does what he says he's going
to do. It's the kind of fellow I like to deal with.
And so, Mr. President, I also want to thank your administration in
your staunch, strong stance for human rights and human dignity. Whether
they be to those who are oppressed in Burma or Darfur or on the island
of Cuba, France's voice is important, and it's clear that the human
rights of every individual are important to the world. And I look
forward to advancing peace and freedom with you, Mr. President.
Our bilateral relations are important. They are strong, and we
intend to keep them that way. And so welcome here to George Washington's
old home. Proud to have you in America. Thanks for coming.
President Sarkozy. I want to thank President Bush, his
administration, and all
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Americans who have welcomed us in such exceptional fashion. I get the
distinct sense that it is France that has been welcomed so warmly, with
so much friendship, so much love. This was my hope, my ambition. And
with Bernard Kouchner, Christine Lagarde, Rachida Dati, and myself, this
is exactly what we wanted.
We've been very moved, deeply moved by your wonderful welcome,
together with Mrs. Laura Bush, yesterday at the White House. I
especially enjoyed the skit of the dialog between George Washington and
Lafayette that we witnessed.
The tokens of friendship that we have seen since we've been here,
your openmindedness and the fact that we can address any and every
subject, all those that you mentioned, sir, even though the European
defense policy and NATO have also been addressed, environmental issues,
which are close to our heart, and Afghanistan. I said that we would stay
there because what is at stake is the credibility of the Atlantic
alliance and the fight against terror.
We spent hours discussing very important issue, commercial,
economic, and others. And I will say that we have done so in a spirit of
openness and trust, and that is something I've been particularly struck
by. And I can tell you that this visit, I think, has been very widely
covered in France. So when I say that the French people love the
American people, that is the truth and nothing but the truth.
Now, I expressed--I spoke at length this morning, and I think the
best would be that after President Bush--whom I wish to thank once
again--we could answer any questions you may have.
President Bush. Two questions a side. Deb [Deb Riechmann, Associated
Press]. We'll go----
Pakistan
Q. Mr. President, you came down so hard on Burma and other nations
for their crackdowns on prodemocracy demonstrators. Yet you seem to be
giving Musharraf a pass. So the question is, why are you going so soft
on Musharraf? Is there a double standard?
President Bush. I spoke to President Musharraf right before I came over here to visit with President
Sarkozy. And my message was that we believe strongly in elections, and
that you ought to have elections soon, and you need to take off your
uniform. You can't be the President and the head of the military at the
same time. So I had a very frank discussion with him.
Look, our objective is the same in Burma as it is in Pakistan, and
that is to promote democracy. There is a difference, however. Pakistan
has been on the path to democracy; Burma hasn't been on the path to
democracy. And it requires different tactics to achieve the common
objective.
And as I told you, I just spoke to President Musharraf before I came here. And my message was very, very
plain, very easy to understand, and that is, the United States wants you
to have the elections as scheduled and take your uniform off.
You want to call on somebody?
President Sarkozy. You know, in France, I don't choose, I don't pick
the journalists.
President Bush. You don't get to choose? Who chooses? I choose?
[Laughter] Who would you like me to choose? [Laughter] Oh, he chose.
Wait a minute. It didn't last very long, did it?
President Sarkozy. I didn't choose, I indicated a general direction.
[Laughter]
Iraq/France-U.S. Relations/Pakistan
Q. Thank you, Mr. President. My question is on Iraq. Mr. President,
this morning you talked at length about Afghanistan, Iran, but not Iraq.
And I wanted to ask both of you, is France reconciled with the United
States as the United States is reconciled with France? So what about
Iraq? Can France, for instance, help to get out of the Iraqi quagmire?
And President Bush,
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where do you stand on Iraq and your domestic debate on Iraq? Do you have
a timetable for withdrawing troops?
President Bush. Yes. I don't--you know, ``quagmire'' is an
interesting word. If you lived in Iraq and had lived under a tyranny,
you'd be saying, ``God, I love freedom.'' Because that's what's
happened. And there are killers and radicals and murderers who kill the
innocent to stop the advance of freedom. But freedom is happening in
Iraq, and we're making progress.
And I can't thank the President enough for sending his Foreign
Minister to Baghdad. It was a clear message
that freedom matters, that when people are struggling to live in
freedom, that those of us who have the comfort of a free society ought
to help them.
We had a difference of opinion with your great country over whether
or not I should have used military force to enforce U.N. demands. I
reminded a TV reporter--I don't know
if the person is here or not--but I said, I just want to remind you that
1441 was supported by France and the United States, which clearly said
to the dictator, you will disclose, disarm, or face serious
consequences. Now, I'm the kind of person that when somebody says
something, I take them for their word.
Having said that, we had a difference of opinion. But I don't sense
any difference of opinion now that a struggling democracy wants help
from those of us who live in the comfort of free societies. And, Mr.
President, the strong gesture of sending your Foreign Minister there wasn't a message to the United States, because
we're good friends; it was message to the Iraqi citizens that said: We
hear your cries for freedom; we want you to succeed, because one of the
lessons of history is, free societies yield peace.
And so I appreciate your leadership on that issue, and I want to
thank your Foreign Minister for--I don't
see your Foreign Minister. Look, the guy was here. [Laughter] Oh, there
he is, yes, next to--look, the President was blocking--next to Madam
Rice. Anyway, thank you, sir.
President Sarkozy. Allow me to give you two answers in one. On
Pakistan, yes, we're worried about the situation. It's worrisome, and we
need to have elections as swiftly as possible. You cannot combat
extremism using the same methods as extremists, and it is very
important, it is of the essence that Pakistan organize elections. I,
like President Bush, I wish this to take place as speedily as possible.
Let me remind you that this is a country of 150 million inhabitants
who happens to have nuclear weapons. This is very important for us that
one day we shouldn't wake up with a government, an administration in
Pakistan which is in the hands of the extremists. And we should, each
and every one of us, think about this, of the principles, the values
that we uphold and that we defend and we must continue to uphold. And
then there's the complexity, as it were, in the field. That's why it's
important to convene election, call elections.
Now, on Iraq, Bernard Kouchner's trip to Iraq was very successful.
What does France want? A united Iraq. No one--no, it is in no one's
interest to see Iraq dismantled. We want a democratic Iraq. We want a
diverse Iraq, where each component element of Iraqi society has learned
to live with others; an Iraq which is--which can administer and govern
itself and that has the means of ensuring the peace and security of
every one of its citizens. And that is exactly Bernard Kouchner's
message when he went to Iraq. And this is in the interest of one and all
that it be thus, and that position is the position I will defend until
the end.
President Bush. Toby [Tabassum Zakaria, Reuters].
Q. Mr. President, with----
President Bush. Which one?
Q. Both of you.
President Bush. Get moving, will you? [Laughter]
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Oil Prices/Iran
Q. Okay. Mr. President, with oil approaching $100 a barrel, are you
concerned that your hard words for Iran on its nuclear program are
helping drive up oil prices, which can end up hurting the U.S. economy?
President Bush. No. I believe oil prices are going up because the
demand for oil outstrips the supply for oil. Oil is going up because
developing countries still use a lot of oil. Oil is going up because we
use too much oil, and the capacity to replace reserves is dwindling.
That's why the price of oil is going up.
I believe it is important for us to send clear signals to the
Iranian Government that the free world understands the risks of you
trying to end up with a nuclear weapon. And therefore, we will work
together to try to find if there's not rational people inside your
Government who are tired of isolation and who believe there's a better
way forward.
Every time I give a talk about Iran, I make sure I speak to the
Iranian people. And I want them to hear once again that we discussed
your country today; that we believe--that I believe that you've got a
bright future; that we respect your history and respect your tradition.
However, you are governed by people who are making decisions that are
isolating you from the rest of the world, and you can do better than
that.
The idea of Iran having a nuclear weapon is dangerous, and
therefore, now is the time for us to work together to diplomatically
solve this problem. And we spent a lot of time on the subject. And I
thank the French President for his resolve on solving this issue
peacefully.
Do you want to call on some----
President Sarkozy. I just wanted to say that we exchanged all the
intelligence and information we had. It is unacceptable that Iran should
have, at any point, a nuclear weapon. But Iran is entitled to the energy
of the future, which is civilian nuclear energy. I believe in the
effectiveness of sanctions. I believe even in the need to toughen the
sanctions. But in my mind, the two go together. In other words, the
open--the outstretched hand of dialog, of continuing discussions,
because Iran deserves a better fate than that isolation. And I cannot
imagine that there are not people, leaders in Iran who will stop to
think about the consequences of what is going on.
This is a great people and a great civilization, and we must be firm
for as long as there is no gesture on their part. And we have to keep
the way of dialog open, because we must do everything to avoid the
worst-case scenario. And this is indeed--was the subject of a very
lengthy conversation, which showed exactly how convergent our views
were.
France's Role in Afghanistan/Lebanon's Presidential Election/Spread of
Democracy
Q. Mr. President, with respect to your statements on Afghanistan and
France's commitment on engagement, does this mean that France is going
to be sending additional ground troops in to fight in the southern
regions of Afghanistan, as the U.S. wishes them to do?
How do you feel about the fact that France has been engaging Syria
on the upcoming Lebanese Presidential election? Do you think that's a
good idea? And what are the chances that Lebanon will have a
Presidential election by November 24th? Thank you.
President Bush. Thanks, good question.
You want me to go first?
President Sarkozy. Well, on Afghanistan, I said what I thought and
what I think. We've talked about it with President Bush. We will not
pull out of Afghanistan because what is at stake here is the solidity of
our alliance, and ultimately, what is at stake here is the fight against
terror. We're thinking about the best way to help bring about a
democratic Afghanistan. Is it by strength, in stepping up our training
efforts so that
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we lay the groundwork or the basis of a modern Afghan state? Or is it by
other means? Maybe perhaps military means? We're still thinking about
it.
President Bush. First of all, you know, the Syrian influence in
Lebanon was something that the previous Government and I worked on to--
collaboratively. And because France and the United States worked
together, we passed 1551 Resolution out of the United Nations, which got
Syria out of Lebanon, by and large. And so we spent time collaborating
on how best to make sure that Syria doesn't influence the Presidential
elections, that, in fact, the Presidency is picked by the Lebanese
people.
And we're--I'm very aware that Mr. Hariri and Nabih Berry are in consultations
as to whether or not they can come up with an acceptable candidate to
them, not to Syria; whether or not the Lebanese people can be assured
that their President is going to be representing the people of Lebanon,
not the people--not the Government of Syria.
And I'm comfortable with President Sarkozy's Government sending
clear messages that meet common objectives. And our common objective
here is for this Lebanese democracy to survive, thrive, and serve as an
example for others.
We will work with France and with others to see that this process be
completed by November 24th. We believe it's in the interests of the
Middle East that this Lebanese democracy survive.
I want Lebanon to serve as an example for the Palestinians, to show
them what's possible. I believe in a two-state solution. I believe there
ought to be two states living side by side in peace. So does the
President; we discussed that today. There's nothing better for the
Palestinians, to see what is possible with a stable democracy in
Lebanon.
The interesting challenge we face in the world in which we live is
there are murderers who will try to stop the advance of democracy,
particularly in the Middle East. Isn't it interesting that the places
where there's most violence is where there's young democracies trying to
take hold, whether it be Iraq or Lebanon or in the Palestinian
Territories?
And the call for nations such as ourselves is to support those who
want to live in freedom. Freedom is the great alternative to the
ideology of people who murder the innocent to achieve their political
objectives--by the way, the very same ones that came and killed 3,000 of
our citizens.
And so what I'm telling you is--let me end this press conference by
telling you this: I have a partner in peace, somebody who has clear
vision, basic values, who is willing to take tough positions to achieve
peace. And so when you ask, am I comfortable with the Sarkozy Government
sending messages, you bet I'm comfortable.
Mr. President, thanks for coming. I appreciate you being here
Note: The President's news conference began at 3:12 p.m. at the Mount
Vernon Estate. In his remarks, he referred to President Pervez Musharraf
of Pakistan; Minister of Foreign and European Affairs Bernard Kouchner
of France; and Parliament Member Sa'ad al-Din al-Hariri and Speaker of
Parliament and National Assembly President Nabih Berry of Lebanon.
President Sarkozy referred to Minister of Economy, Finance, and
Employment Christine Lagarde and Minister of Justice and Keeper of the
Seals Rachida Dati of France. President Sarkozy and some reporters spoke
in French, and their remarks were translated by an interpreter.
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