    [Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: George W. Bush (2007, Book II)]
    [August 6, 2007]
    [Pages 1045-1050]
    [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]

    The President's News Conference With President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan at Camp David, Maryland
    August 6, 2007

        President Bush. Good morning. Thank you; be seated. Welcome.
        I appreciate a man I've come to admire, President Karzai, for
    joining us. Laura and I had the honor of hosting
    the President for dinner last night. He and I spent a lot of this
    morning just sitting down alone talking about our common interests,
    common concerns. President Karzai is an optimistic man. He's watched his
    country emerge from days of darkness to days of hope.
        President Karzai. Absolutely.
        President Bush. I appreciate your stewardship. I appreciate your
    commitment to empowering your people. I appreciate your strong stance
    for freedom and justice, and I'm proud to call you an ally in this war
    against those who would wreak havoc in order to deny people a chance to
    live in peace.
        We're working closely together to help the people of Afghanistan
    prosper. We work together to give the people of Afghanistan a chance to
    raise their children in a hopeful world, and we're working together to
    defeat those who would try to stop the advance of a free Afghan society.
        We spent a fair amount of time talking about our security strategy.
    You might remember, it was last winter that people were speculating
    about the Taliban spring offensive and about how the Taliban had
    regrouped and were going to go on the attack inside Afghanistan. There
    was a spring offensive, all right; it was conducted by U.S., NATO, and
    equally importantly, Afghan troops. And we went on the offense because
    we understand that it is in our mutual interests to deny extremists the
    opportunity to derail this young democracy.
        There is still a fight going on, but I'm proud to report to the
    American people that the Afghan Army is in the fight. The Government is
    in the fight, and the Army is in the fight. Afghan national security
    forces are increasing in strength; there's about 110,000 Afghans now
    defending their nation. And more Afghans are stepping up to serve, and
    it's in the interest of the United States to help you develop that
    national army and local police that will send a clear message to the
    people of Afghanistan that the governments can help provide an
    opportunity for people to raise their children in a peaceful world.
        There is a lot of forces there in Afghanistan supporting this
    Government, and our 23,500 troops are proud to stand side by side with
    26,000 troops from other nations. And we applaud those countries who
    have committed their troops to help Afghanistan succeed.
        We've committed more than $23 billion since 2001 to help rebuild the
    country. I think our citizens will be interested to know, for example,
    that 7,000 community health care workers have been trained that provide
    about 340,000 Afghan men,

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    women, and children a month with good health care.
        I remember talking a lot about how the Taliban prevented young girls
    from going to school in Afghanistan. American citizens recoil with
    horror to think about a government that would deny a young child the
    opportunity to have the basics necessary to succeed in life. Today,
    there are nearly 5 million students going to school in Afghanistan, a
    third of whom are girls. Still work to be done, don't get me wrong, but
    progress is being made, Mr. President, and we're proud of you, proud of
    the work you're doing.
        We talked about the need to stem the narcotics trade. I'm sure the
    President will comment on this. He understands that it's very important
    for farmers to be incented to grow crop other than poppy, and that he
    knows full well the United States is watching, measuring, and trying to
    help eradicate poppy cultivation. We spent more than a fair amount of
    time on it; we spent a lot of time on it. And it's important that we get
    this right. Mr. President, I appreciate your commitment to not only
    dealing with the poppy growers and the poppy crop but also dealing with
    corruption. It's very important that our societies emerge in such a way
    that the people have confidence in the capacity of government to conduct
    the affairs--conduct their affairs in a way that's aboveboard and honest
    and transparent.
        And finally, I do want to congratulate you on the joint jirga that's
    coming up. This is a meeting between President Karzai, President
    Musharraf, and representative elements from
    parts of their respective countries, all coming together to talk about
    reconciliation and how we can work together--how you can work together
    to achieve common solutions to problems. And the main problem is to
    fight extremism, to recognize that history has called us into action,
    and by fighting extremists and radicals, we help people realize dreams.
    And helping people realize dreams helps promote peace. That's what we
    want.
        You come from a part of the world, Mr. President, where there's a
    long history of violence and a long history of people seeking freedom.
    It's in the interests of the United States to be on the--tip the scales
    of freedom your way. You only do so with strong leadership, and I
    appreciate the leadership you're providing. So welcome to Camp David.
        President Karzai. [Inaudible]
        Thank you very much. Thank you very much, Mr. President, for
    receiving me in Camp David. You and the First Lady are generous and kind
    hosts, and thank you very much for that.
        Mr. President, I am here today to once again thank you and the
    American people for all that you have done for Afghanistan, for our
    liberation first, and then for our stability and prosperity. We have
    gone a long way.
        I have been here many times before in America, thanking the American
    people for what they have given to Afghanistan. I have spoken of roads;
    I have spoken of schools; I have spoken of clinics; I have spoken of
    health services; I have spoken of education; I have spoken of
    agriculture; I've spoken of lots of achievements. I've also had requests
    for help that you have delivered to us.
        But today I'm going to speak about only one achievement that means
    so much for the Afghan people and, surely, to you and the rest of the
    world. That is that Afghanistan today, with the help that you have
    provided and our other allies have provided, can save--is saving the
    life of at least 50,000 infants after they are born and the life of
    85,000 children under 5.
        Mr. President, when you and I begin to think of the mothers who can
    have their babies safe today, then we know the value and the importance
    of this achievement. And thank you very, very much for this tremendous
    help. Afghanistan would have not had 85,000 children living today had
    you not been there to help us with the rest of the world.

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        President Bush. Thank you, sir.
        President Karzai. That's a massive achievement, and I am happy about
    it. I'm sure you are too, and so are women and mothers around the world.
        Mr. President, as we have gone a long way, progress has been made.
    We still continue to fight terrorism; our enemy is still there,
    defeated, but still hiding in the mountains. And our duty is to complete
    the job; to get them out of their hideouts in the mountains, and to
    bring justice to the people of Afghanistan, to the people of America,
    and to the people around the world who are threatened by these
    terrorists.
        One of the significant steps that we have taken together with
    Pakistan to have an effective fight against terrorism, an effective
    fight against extremism and radicalism, was discussed during the dinner
    that you kindly hosted for me and President Musharraf. And the result of
    that is going to be seen in 2 days from today, the 9th of August, where,
    in Kabul, we will have the joint Pakistan-Afghanistan jirga. I hope very
    much that this jirga will bring to us what we need, which I think it
    will. And thank you very much for this opportunity--you cause us to have
    a meeting and to have a result of that.
        Mr. President, we have a long journey ahead of us. But what we have
    traveled so far has given us greater hope for a better future, for a
    better life. The Afghans are still suffering, but there are millions of
    Afghans who are enjoying a better and more secure life, who can send
    their children to school, and who can work in their fields. And thank
    you very much for that.
        Yes, we do have the problem of poppies and narcotics in Afghanistan.
    Afghanistan is committed to fighting it because this evil is first
    hurting us and then youth in the rest of the world. So this is for
    Afghanistan to work against and for the rest of us to work against. We
    are committed. It will take time; we are realistic about that. But the
    fight is there, and I hope your assistance will continue to be delivered
    to Afghanistan to fight narcotics. We have raised our army, indeed. We
    are working on our police. Our police needs a lot of improvement. And
    I'm glad that you have committed to helping us with the raising of
    better police in Afghanistan.
        The fight against corruption is going on. We have developed a
    mechanism, worked through a commission headed by the Chief Justice of
    Afghanistan that will be ready in 2 months from now and will be
    announced to the Afghan people on hows and measures and the timeframe
    that we will need to have an effective fight against corruption in
    Afghanistan.
        The rest, life, is going on well, with a lot of hope. We have a
    better administration, more capabilities. We can do lots of things on
    our own, and I'm sure your continued assistance will make life better
    for us. And thank you very much, Mr. President. Nice of you to receive
    me here.
        President Bush. Thanks for coming. A couple of questions. Deb [Deb
    Riechmann, Associated Press].

    War on Terror/Pakistan

        Q. Mr. President, if you had actionable intelligence about the
    whereabouts of top Al Qaida leaders in Pakistan, would you wait for
    Musharraf's permission to send in U.S. forces, even if it meant missing
    an opportunity to take them out? Or have you and Musharraf worked out
    some deal about this already?
        And, President Karzai, what will be your top concern when you meet
    with Musharraf later this week?
        President Bush. I am confident that with actionable intelligence, we
    will be able to bring top Al Qaida to justice. We're in constant
    communications with the Pakistan Government. It's in their interest that
    foreign fighters be brought to justice. After all, these are the same
    ones who were plotting to kill President Musharraf. We share a concern. And I'm confident, with real,

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    actionable intelligence, we will get the job done.
        President Karzai. When President Musharraf visits Afghanistan on the
    9th of August to inaugurate the joint Pakistan-Afghanistan convention,
    or jirga, together with me, we will be discussing further improvements
    and relations between the two countries. The two countries are
    neighbors; they've been having extensive relationships with each other.
    We will be discussing improvement of those relations, on all aspects of
    them. We will also be discussing the possible outcome of the joint jirga
    between the two countries and how effectively, then, we can carry on the
    fight against terrorism in both countries and in the region as a result
    of that jirga. So it's a--it's going to be, I'm sure, a good meeting,
    ma'am.
        Afghan press?

    War on Terror

        Q. I will ask in Pashto, and then I will translate my question. My
    question is for Mr. Karzai.

     [At this point, the reporter asked a question in Pashto, which he
    translated as follows.]

        I will repeat in English too. Four years ago, in a press conference,
    Mr. President Karzai said Taliban do not pose any threat to Afghan
    people. So who do you think supported Taliban to threaten the security
    by doing kidnapings and attacking the Government officials, and why?
        President Karzai. Four years ago, I did say that, and I continue to
    say that. The Taliban do pose dangers to our innocent people; to
    children going to school; to our clergy; to our teachers; to our
    engineers; to international aid workers. They are not posing any threat
    to the Government of Afghanistan; they are not posing any threat to the
    institutions of Afghanistan or to the buildup of institutions of
    Afghanistan. It's a force that's defeated; it's a force that is
    frustrated; it's a force that is acting in cowardice by killing children
    going to school.
        Who is supporting them is a question that we have been working on
    for long time and since then. And I hope that the jirga between us and
    Pakistan will give us solutions to some of the questions that we have.
        President Bush. One thing is for certain: We know the vision--their
    vision of how to govern. They've been in power. They've had the
    opportunity to show the world how they think and what they do. I mean,
    it'd be instructive for people to speak to a mother of a young girl
    about what life was like under the Taliban. These are brutal,
    coldblooded killers.
        President Karzai. Yes.
        President Bush. That's what they are. And the fundamental question
    facing those of us who believe in freedom is whether or not we confront
    them, and whether or not it's worth it--the effort--to spread an
    alternative to their hateful vision. And I--we've come to the conclusion
    it is. And that's why President Karzai stands right here at Camp David,
    discussing common concerns, common opportunities, about how to defeat a
    vision of darkness. That's what they are. They just don't believe in
    freedom. They don't believe it's possible to live in a society where
    people are allowed to express themselves in free fashion.
        And it's really part of an ongoing challenge that the free world
    faces. The real question is whether or not those of us who have the
    blessings of liberty will continue to pursue policies--foreign policy,
    security policy aimed at not only protecting our homeland but aimed at
    laying a condition for peace to prevail.
        Caren [Caren Bohan, Reuters].

    Afghan Civilian Casualties/Iran

        Q. Thank you, Mr. President. President Karzai said yesterday that he
    believed Iran was playing a helpful role in Afghanistan. Was he able to
    convince you in your meetings that that was the case, or do you still
    have concerns about Iran's role?

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        And I have a question for President Karzai as well. I'm just
    wondering if the President was able to give you the assurances that you
    sought about the effort to reduce civilian casualties in Afghanistan?
        President Bush. Let me comment on the civilian casualties, if I
    might. First, I fully understand the angst, the agony, and the sorrow
    that Afghan citizens feel when an innocent life is lost. I know that
    must cause grief in villages and heartbreak in homes.
        Secondly, I can assure the Afghan people, like I assured the
    President, that we do everything that we can to protect the innocent;
    that our military operations are mindful that innocent life might be
    exposed to danger, and we adjust accordingly.
        Thirdly, it is the Taliban who surround themselves with innocent
    life as human shields. The Taliban are the coldblooded killers. The
    Taliban are the murderers. The Taliban have no regard for human life.
    And therefore, we've spent some time talking about--as the President
    rightly expressed--his concerns about civilian casualty. And I assured
    him that we share those concerns.
        Secondly, it's up to Iran to prove to the world that they're a
    stabilizing force, as opposed to a destabilizing force. After all, this
    is a Government that has proclaimed its desire to build a nuclear
    weapon. This is a Government that is in defiance of international
    accord, a Government that seems to be willing to thumb its nose at the
    international community and, at the same time, a Government that denies
    its people a rightful place in the world and denies its people the
    ability to realize their full potential. So I believe that it's in the
    interests of all of us that we have an Iran that tries to stabilize, not
    destabilize, an Iran that gives up its weapons ambitions. And therefore,
    we're working to that end.
        The President knows best about what's taking place in his country,
    and of course, I'm willing to listen. But from my perspective, the
    burden of proof is on the Iranian Government to show us that they're a
    positive force. And I must tell you that this current leadership there
    is a big disappointment to the people of Iran. I mean, the people of
    Iran could be doing a lot better than they are today. But because of the
    actions of this Government, this country is isolated. And we will
    continue to work to isolate it because they're not a force for good, as
    far as we can see. They're a destabilizing influence wherever they are.
        Now, the President will have to talk to you about Afghanistan. But I
    would be very cautious about whether or not the Iranian influence there
    in Afghanistan is a positive force. And therefore, it's going to be up
    to them to prove to us and prove to the Government that they are.
        President Karzai. I had a good discussion with President Bush on
    civilian casualties. I'm very happy to tell you that President Bush felt
    very much with the Afghan people, that he calls the Afghan people allies
    in the war against terror and friends, and that he is as much concerned
    as I am, as the Afghan people are. I was very happy with that
    conversation.
        Lady?
        Q. Mr. Karzai, can I ask my question in Dari first?
        President Karzai. Please, yes.

    Suicide Bombings

     [The reporter asked a question in Dari, which she translated as
    follows.]

        Q. You have recently become a father, and also, you have recently
    pardoned a teenager who suicide himself, and you said he washed--he was
    brainwashed.
        President Karzai. Brainwashed, yes.
        Q. Yes. What do you think about the future of Afghanistan in view of
    this problem?
        President Karzai. Well, ma'am, the man--the boy, I should say, that
    I pardoned was a 14-year-old boy from Pakistan's South Waziristan
    Agency. He was sent by his father to a madrassa to get education because
    he could not any more afford to have him in school, because his

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    mother had a heart ailment, and they had to spend money on her
    treatment.
        Having sent the boy to a madrassa, he disappeared from there. After
    a few months, his father heard that he was arrested in Afghanistan, and
    then he came to Afghanistan. And having seen that this was a teenage--
    rather, legally underage innocent boy used by terrorists to kill himself
    and to kill other innocent people, I felt that it was the right decision
    to pardon him, to give him a new opportunity for education and a new
    life, and to send a message to his mother that your child is going to be
    back with you. I am very glad I did that.
        But this gives us a lesson about those who are the enemies of all of
    us, the enemies of people who use young children, who brainwashes them,
    and who forces them to kill themselves.
        The message should be clear to the rest of the world about the evil
    that we are fighting, the heartless people that we are fighting, who
    don't even have any feeling for young children, for babies, for
    teenagers. Most of that, we know today, that the terrorists are buying
    and selling suicide bombers. We have received calls in our Government
    offices by handlers of suicide bombers that they want to sell them to
    us. So it's become a trade, a mean trade; merchants of death are around
    there. So it's our job to get rid of them.
        President Bush. Thank you very much.
        President Karzai. Thank you very much. Thank you.

    Note: The President's news conference began at 11:17 a.m. In his
    remarks, he referred to President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan.
    President Karzai referred to Chief Justice Abdul Salaam Azimi of
    Afghanistan.