    [Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: George W. Bush (2005, Book II)]
    [November 29, 2005]
    [Pages 1774-1778]
    [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]

    Remarks Following a Tour of the Border and an Exchange With Reporters
    Near El Paso, Texas
    November 29, 2005

        First of all, it's good to be back in El Paso. I spent a lot of
    quality time in this part of the world when I was the Governor, and I appreciate, by the way, the Governor standing with
    me here. I don't know if you remember or not, but Laura's mother was raised here, so El
    Paso has always had a special spot in our heart.
        I want to thank the people that are working the border. We have a
    responsibility in the Government to enforce our border. It's important
    for national security. It's important for economic security to have a
    good border security plan. And so the Secretary and I and the
    Attorney General--secretary of state of Texas; Johnny Sutton, the D.A.; Congressman Mac Conaway--we've just taken a tour of this part of the
    border. And what should be a lesson is that you've got to adjust your
    strategy based upon the conditions. This is an urban environment. Right
    over here is Juarez, and people are able to easily come into the
    border--into Texas, in this part of--in part of the border.
        And so what you're seeing is, you're seeing a combination of
    fencing, cameras, infrared, and Border Patrol agents all doing their
    job. What we've done is, we have boosted the amount of money available
    to our--to enforce this border. We're adding agents. We've added agents
    since I've become the President. We're adding more agents as a result of
    the bill I just signed, and we're adding infrastructure to make the city
    secure as well as the rural parts of our border secure. So step one of a
    border control strategy is, increase the resources so the people
    standing behind me are able to do their job.
        Step two is when we catch somebody, don't release them. Catch-and-
    release has been a longstanding policy of the Federal Government, and
    we're going to change

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    that. Listen, we've got people risking their lives to do their job here
    on the border, and there's nothing more dispiriting than to know the
    person that they have stopped coming into our country illegally is being
    released back into society. And so we've got a plan for what we call
    internal repatriation for Mexicans, and we've got a plan for non-Mexican
    illegal immigrants.
        And part of that plan is to increase the number of beds available to
    detain people caught illegally coming into our country. And the second
    part is for Congress to change the laws. That will enable us to have--
    more likely to have expedited removal.
        The third aspect of our comprehensive strategy to do our duty and
    enforce the border is to have a worksite enforcement program. I mean,
    our employers in America have an obligation not to hire illegal
    immigrants. Many of those immigrants, by the way, use forged documents.
    And so we've got a computer system up and running to enable employers to
    be able to determine whether or not the documents they're being
    presented are fake or not. We're also increasing the number of agents
    that will be working in the internal part of the country to find those
    who've broken the law and bring them to justice.
        See, we're a nation of law. We're also a compassionate nation. We've
    got to treat people with respect and dignity. The third aspect of our
    policy is this: We need to have a rational temporary-worker plan that is
    not amnesty. Amnesty would be a mistake. Granting amnesty to the people
    who have come to our country illegally would invite others to come to
    our country illegally. On the other hand, a temporary-worker program
    would take pressure off our border. When you match willing worker with
    willing employer on a job Americans won't do, with a tamper-proof card
    that says, ``I'm here legally for a temporary basis,'' it means our
    Border Patrol agents won't have to chase people coming here illegally to
    work. They'll be able to chase criminals and drug traffickers and
    crooks.
        What I'm telling you is, we want to make the job of these folks
    easier. We want to support them. We want to support them with resources.
    We want to support them with rational policy so that we can say to the
    American people, ``We've done our job, which is enforce this border.''
        I want to thank you very much for the tour; I want to thank you all
    for your hard work. You bring great pride to the uniform. I appreciate
    the risks you take on a daily basis. And with the bill I signed, the
    appropriations bill I signed, and the bills that are going to be working
    through the House and the Senate, will make it more likely you'll be
    able to do your job. So it's an honor to be here on the border, and I
    want to thank everybody for showing up.
        I'll be glad to answer a couple of questions. Patsy [Patricia
    Wilson, Reuters].

    U.S. Troops in Iraq

        Q. Sir, with elections coming up next year, how much pressure are
    you under to reduce the U.S. troop presence in Iraq before the end of
    2006?
        The President. Our policy--I'm giving a speech tomorrow that
    outlines the training and the progress we're making in training Iraqis
    to provide security for their country. And we will make decisions about
    troop levels based upon the capacity of the Iraqis to take the fight to
    the enemy. And I will make decisions based upon--the level of troops
    based upon the recommendations by the commanders on the ground. If they
    tell me we need more troops, we'll provide more troops. If they tell me
    we've got sufficient level of troops, that will be the level of troops.
    If they tell me that the Iraqis are ready to take more and more
    responsibility and that we'll be able to bring some Americans home, I
    will do that. It's their recommendation.
        Secondly, we want to win. The whole objective is to achieve a
    victory against the terrorists. The terrorists have made it very

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    clear that Iraq is a central front on the war on terror. See, they want
    us to leave before we've achieved our mission. You know why? Because
    they want a safe haven; they want to be able to plot and plan attacks.
    This country must never forget the lessons of September the 11th, 2001,
    and a victory in Iraq will deny the terrorists their stated goal.
        Finally, a democracy in Iraq, which is now emerging, will serve as a
    fantastic example for reformers and others. And as democracy takes hold
    in the broader Middle East, we can say we have done our duty and laid
    the foundation of peace for generations to come.

    Iraqi Troop Preparedness

        Q. Since we know that the preparation of Iraqi troops is a main
    reason you want to bring U.S. troops home, can you talk about how
    satisfied you are with the Iraqi troop preparedness?
        The President. Look, here's what I'm interested in. I'm interested
    in winning. I want to defeat the terrorists, and I want our troops to
    come home. But I don't want them to come home without having achieved
    victory, and we've got a strategy for victory. And the commanders will
    make the decision. See, that's what the people want. The people don't
    want me making decisions based upon politics. They want me to make
    decisions based upon the recommendation from our generals on the ground,
    and that's exactly who I'll be listening to.
        Now, I know there's a lot of voices in Washington. We've heard some
    people say, ``Pull them out right now.'' That's a huge mistake. It'd be
    a terrible mistake. It sends a bad message to our troops, and it sends a
    bad message to our enemy, and it sends a bad message to the Iraqis.
        So my decision will be based upon the capacity of the--the
    willingness of our commanders to say, ``The Iraqis are taking more of
    the fight and therefore, the conditions are such that we can reduce our
    troop presence.''

    U.S. Troops in Iraq

        Q. Sir, do you agree with comments by Secretary Rice, who says that
    U.S. troops may not need to stay at current troop levels that we have
    there now for much longer?
        The President. Well, this is a conditions-based strategy we have. If
    conditions on the ground are such that we can reduce presence, the
    commanders will make that recommendation. But victory is the primary
    objective. We've sacrificed a lot. We've had, you know, some of the
    finest Americans die in Iraq. And one thing we're not going to do is let
    them die in vain. We will achieve our objective, which is a stable Iraq,
    an ally in the war on terror. And we will deny the terrorists safe haven
    in Iraq. Their stated objective is to use the one tool they've got,
    which is suicide bombers--beheadings and killings of innocent people--to
    drive us out of Iraq and the Middle East because they want to have safe
    haven. They want to spread their totalitarian ideology.
        And so our objective in Iraq is to win. And we will make our
    decisions based upon, primarily, victory, and second, whether or not the
    commanders think we can achieve that victory and what the--with a
    certain troop level. And that's what's important for the American people
    to understand, that one, we're not going to cut and run; two, we'll
    achieve our objective; and three, the President is going to listen to
    those who are on the ground who can make the best assessment.
        Yes, where are you from?

    Border Security

        Q. With the El Paso Times, sir, Louie Gilot. Mr. President, what is
    the security risk on the border as far as homeland security and
    terrorism?
        The President. Look, there is great risk for people who wear the
    green, and they know that. And the reason there's great

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    risk is because they don't know whether they're going to encounter some
    innocent soul just coming to work or somebody trying to smuggle drugs.
        On our briefing as we came up and down the--came down the border
    here, I was told about a recent apprehension made by our Border Patrol
    agents of people trying to smuggle drugs in. And it's night, you know.
    And this happened to be in a more rural area, and the chopper had to
    leave to go refuel. And so we've got people risking their lives out
    there to stop the trafficking of drugs into our country, and that's
    dangerous. And so it's dangerous here. I mean, there's no other way to
    look at it. And that's why these folks need more resources and more
    agents to help them, and that's what we're providing.
        And there is lighting up and down this part of the border. We're
    going to use drones to be able to help enforce the border in rural Texas
    and in rural New Mexico and rural Arizona. See, it's one thing to add
    agents, but if you look at the size of this border, you can't add enough
    agents. What you've got to do is get technology in the hands of the
    agents so they can better do their job. Slowly but surely, technology is
    being employed up and down the border, and that's a key part of our
    strategy, as well as physical barriers. You see a physical barrier right
    here. This is good for an urban environment. As you head out into the
    rural parts of the world, there are other types of physical barriers we
    can use, such as impediments to vehicular traffic or berming, which is
    precisely what our strategy is.
        We've got a comprehensive strategy that says, ``We're going to
    enforce this border. We're going to prevent people from coming here in
    the first place. And when we catch people--and, by the way, since 2001,
    our Border Patrol have apprehended 4.5 million people illegally coming
    into the country. But we've got to end catch-and-release. In other
    words, we've got to end this program particularly for non-Mexican,
    illegal immigrants. This business about catching people and then letting
    them back out in the society, it's not fair to those who are working
    hard, and it's not fair to the American people. We're ending the
    practice.
        And then I told you we've got to have better interior enforcement,
    plus a rational worker plan that is not amnesty. That's a very important
    part of the plan.

    Representative Randy ``Duke'' Cunningham

        Q. Do you have any reaction to the resignation of Congressman
    Cunningham and the charges that were brought against him?
        The President. Any Member of Congress, Republican or Democrat, must
    take their office seriously and the ethics seriously. The idea of a
    Congressman taking money is outrageous. And Congressman Cunningham is
    going to realize that he has broken the law and is going to pay a
    serious price, which he should.

    Terrorist Detention Centers Abroad

        Q. Is there going to be investigating the allegations that there are
    U.S.-run terrorist detention centers abroad? Don't the American people
    deserve an accounting of why these places exist and what's being done
    there?
        The President. The United States of America does not torture. And
    that's important for people around the world to understand.

    Border Security

        Q. Will we ever see a wall here in the border?
        The President. You've got a fence here in the border. You're going
    to have a virtual fence in the border when we bring technology to bear--
    infrared, cameras, drones. And you've got some of the finest Americans
    in our country enforcing the border. Ours is a nation of law. People
    should not be allowed to break the law.
        So one of the ways to make sure we have a rational border control
    policy is to make work legal, not amnesty but work

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    legal, on a temporary basis. People ought to be given a tamper-proof
    work card, come here, and do jobs Americans won't do, and then after a
    set period of time, go home. And that's what we're going to work with
    Congress about, a comprehensive plan that will make it easier for these
    good folks to do their job, which is enforce the border of the United
    States.
        Listen, thank you all.

    Note: The President spoke at 9:41 a.m. at the El Paso sector of the
    Mexico-U.S. border. In his remarks, he referred to Gov. Rick Perry of
    Texas; Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff; and Johnny
    Sutton, U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Texas. A tape was not
    available for verification of the content of these remarks.