[Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: George W. Bush (2005, Book I)]
[April 14, 2005]
[Pages 593-604]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]



Remarks at the American Society of Newspaper Editors Convention and a 
Question-and-Answer Session
April 14, 2005

    The President. Thank you all. Please be seated. Thanks, Rich. I appreciate the chance to come back--more 
than you know. [Laughter] I miss my hometown newspaper. Austin was my 
hometown newspaper for quite a while. I miss reading it every morning as 
it was thrown on the Governor's Mansion doorsteps, but not enough to 
want to stay here for 4 more years. [Laughter]
    I appreciate your leadership, Rich. Two thoughts came to mind when I first saw Rich. One, he 
has to work with a guy named Ken Herman. 
[Laughter] Is Herman in the pool today?
    Ken Herman. Yes, sir, Mr. President.
    The President. Yes, okay. [Laughter] Just trying to help you out--
[laughter]--kind of like you try to help me out, you know what I mean? 
[Laughter]
    And second, I know Rich is proud 
of his son, Rich, Jr., who is in 
Baghdad. My daughter Barbara--one of our 
daughters went to Yale, and she brought a fellow over the other day. I 
said, ``What are you doing?'' He said, ``Well, I was in your daughter's 
class. I'm in Baghdad, and I'm working with the State Department to help 
shepherd the press corps.'' I said, ``Oh, who are some of the characters 
you've run into there?'' And he mentioned a guy named John Burns, who I had known when my dad was the liaison officer in China. And believe it or not, 
he mentioned Oppel. I said, ``I know the old man.'' [Laughter]
    I know you're proud of him. I 
appreciate the service he's providing.
    And I want to thank Karla Garrett Harshaw as well, from Clark County, Ohio. Happens to be one 
of my favorites. [Laughter]
    Just a couple of brief thoughts, and I'd be glad to answer some 
questions if you have any. [Laughter] Here's what Jefferson said. 
Jefferson said, ``Our liberty depends on freedom of the press; that 
cannot be limited without being lost.'' He also went on to say, ``I've 
given up newspapers, and I find myself much happier.'' [Laughter]
    I haven't given up newspapers. I do find myself much happier than 
I've been in a long time in Washington. I'm enjoying myself. It's been a 
fascinating experience to be the President of the country. It's been a 
remarkable time in Washington. You know, as Rich said, the last time I was here we were talking about the 
EP-3. It seems like an eternity ago. A lot has happened.
    Somebody said, ``Well, how do you describe the Presidency?'' I said, 
``It is a decisionmaking job. I make a lot of decisions.'' At your next 
editorial board, when you're dealing with a future President, you ought 
to say, ``How do you intend to make decisions? What is the process by 
which you will make large decisions and small decisions? How do you 
decide?''
    I've got a decision to make today. Do I go with the fastball or a 
slider? [Laughter]
    A couple of thoughts about this year and the agenda, and then 
questions. First, we've got a problem with energy. And it's a problem 
that didn't happen overnight. It's a problem that's been brewing for 
quite a while because the country has yet to implement a strategy that 
will make us less dependent on foreign sources of energy.
    I was at Fort Hood the other day and sitting, having lunch with some 
soldiers, and the second question that the fellow asked me was, ``Why 
don't you lower gasoline prices?'' I said, ``I'd like to.''
    You see, the problem is, the supplies are out of balance with demand 
when it comes to the major feedstock of gasoline, which is crude oil. 
We've got to think long term in this country, and Congress needs to pass

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the bill that I suggested in 2001 to begin the process of changing how 
we consume energy in America. We need to be better when it comes to 
conservation. We need to continue spending money on research and 
development to find ways to make corn economic--ethanol and biodiesel. 
We've got to continue exploring ways to make sure we can burn coal in 
environmentally friendly ways. I know we need to continue to explore for 
natural gas in our own hemisphere in environmentally friendly ways. But 
Congress needs to get off the dime. I'm looking forward to working with 
them.
    And so one of the initiatives that I will push--again--is to get an 
energy bill out. I will tell you, with $55 oil we don't need incentives 
to oil and gas companies to explore. There are plenty of incentives. 
What we need is to put a strategy in place that will help this country 
over time become less dependent. It's really important. It's an 
important part of our economic security, and it's an important part of 
our national security.
    I'm also talking about retirement security. I'm talking about it a 
lot. Frankly, I'm not a really popular fellow on Capitol Hill for 
talking about it. I recognize that. It's one of these issues that I 
think people would rather avoid than take on. There's--you've written 
about this, I'm confident--the old third rail of American politics: If 
you touch it, you know, you don't do so well politically.
    I think Rich would attest to this, 
that when I was Governor, I felt like it was important to take on big 
issues, and I tried to convince the legislature to work with me on the 
school funding issue before it became adjudged by the courts to be 
unconstitutional or property taxes got so high that it created a real 
problem. Well, I tried and worked hard. Now, they're dealing with it, I 
think.
    I feel the same way about Social Security. We've got a serious 
problem. I don't care what your party is or what your political 
philosophy is; you can't ignore the math. And the math really is this: 
Baby boomers like me are ready to retire in 4 years. I'll be 62 in 4 
years. That's actually a fairly convenient date for me. [Laughter] And 
we're living longer. And people ran for office saying, ``Vote for me. I 
promise you more benefits.'' So you've got a lot of people like me 
getting ready to retire, living longer, and we've been promised greater 
benefits than the previous generation. And yet there are fewer people to 
pay the bill. And so what ends up happening is, is that a pay-as-you-go 
system goes in the red in a relatively short period of time, and every 
year it's in the red, it gets worse and worse and worse.
    And the fundamental question confronting Congress is, are they 
willing to take on this issue now, before it's too late--before, by 
waiting, the cost becomes more and more severe? And so I'm going to 
spend a lot of time on Social Security. I enjoy it. I enjoy taking on 
the issue. I guess, it's the mother in me. I appreciate calling people 
to action. I like doing it. And the more resistance I find for people to 
protect the status quo, the more determined I am to continue building 
the case that there is a problem and assuring seniors that they're going 
to get their check.
    And we've just started the process. It may seem like a long time to 
you, but realistically, we've really just started. If you ask questions 
about it, I'd be glad to expand on what I mean by that. But there's--
I've got a lot more time to tell people there is a problem. See, I think 
the American people are beginning to realize it, but they've got to 
understand the significance of the problem. And then seniors have got to 
realize they're fine when it comes to the check. Because once I make 
that case, then the issue becomes a generational issue. Grandparents are 
going to start to ask the question, ``What are you going to do about my 
grandkids?''
    Now, in my State of the Union Address, I did lay out options. And I 
think I have a responsibility to lay out options. I bet

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I'm the first President ever to talk about a variety of options that 
ought to be on the table, that people ought to come forth and discuss. 
And so I'm looking forward to working with Congress. I'm looking forward 
to continue to remind people we got a problem. I'm absolutely convinced 
that, when it's all said and done, inaction will create a political 
problem for people. The third rail of politics will be failure to solve 
the problem. And so just to give you a heads up, I'll be coming to your 
communities, continuing to talk about this issue a lot. I'm going to 
Cleveland tomorrow to talk about the issue.
    Overseas, there's a lot going on. And it's--I believe our actions 
have helped make the world a more peaceful place. Rich was right; obviously, times changed dramatically on 
September the 11th, 2001, and we're still at war with terrorists. There 
are still people there who'd like to create harm to America. The only 
way to deal with them, in my opinion, is to keep them on the run, is to 
keep enormous pressure--pressure on their finances, pressure on their 
safe havens, pressure on their--on people who are willing to accommodate 
their philosophy. And we're doing that--and not only doing it alone, 
we're doing it in a lot of other countries. We've got a lot of folks who 
understand the stakes in dealing with Al Qaida.
    We've got a lot of people around the world who are more than willing 
to share intelligence and to help follow leads and to bring people to 
justice. Today I was with the Indian Foreign Minister, and we were talking about the neighborhood. And I 
reminded him that I was appreciative of the efforts of President 
Musharraf and his efforts in fighting Al 
Qaida. I thought it was in the best interests of the United States and 
India that President Musharraf be tough when it comes to running down 
people in caves that are trying to do harm to free people. After all, 
India is a free country. It made sense to encourage a leader like 
President Musharraf.
    We're getting help in Saudi Arabia. The terrorists made a tactical 
mistake, in my judgment, by attacking the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. They 
now understand the stakes, and so we've got an ally in chasing down Al 
Qaida. And we'll continue to do so. You've just got to know we're going 
to be relentless and unyielding, and we'll do everything we can to bring 
people to justice.
    The long term to solve the problem, however, of a radical ideology 
is to defeat it with freedom, is to encourage societies to become open, 
free, transparent societies based upon rule of law, with respect for 
minority rights, honoring each human being. Oh, I know, some people say 
that's not possible in certain societies. I don't believe that. I just 
don't believe it. I believe everybody longs to be free. I believe deep 
in everybody's soul is the desire to live in a free world. The people of 
Afghanistan proved that theory right, as poor people were subjugated to 
incredible brutalism--brutality from the Taliban, and yet when give a 
chance to vote, millions voted.
    The same in Iraq--over 8 million people voted in spite of the fact 
that they were threatened, cajoled, and some killed as they tried to 
exercise something that they believe is their right, God-given right to 
do, which is to express yourself freely in a society.
    Lebanon--there's a movement in Lebanon now to be free, to have a 
democracy that works. And we're working with France and other countries 
to enable Lebanon's democracy to flourish by insisting that, first and 
foremost, Syria get completely out of the country. I don't mean halfway 
out. I don't mean 80 percent out. I mean 100 percent out, not only 
Syrian military but the secret police and secret service and 
intelligence officers that are embedded in the Syrian--in the Lebanese 
Government.
    I met with Prime Minister Sharon this 
weekend. I am hopeful that there will be a Palestinian state living side 
by side with Israel in peace. I believe in order for that

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to work, however, we need to work--the free world needs to work with the 
Palestinians to develop the institutions necessary for a democracy to 
survive. And that's going to take work.
    I felt Prime Minister Sharon's decision to 
withdraw from the Gaza was bold and necessary. He came to Washington 
on--I think it was April the 14th last year--and informed me that he was 
going to do this. And I thought it was a really interesting decision. I 
admire strong, courageous decisionmaking. It created--his decision 
created an opportunity now for America, the EU, Russia, the United 
Nations to work with the Abbas 
Government to set up a democratic state in the Gaza.
    And today I announced that Jim Wolfensohn, the former head of the World Bank, is going to be the 
director of our operation with Abbas, to help him build a Government, to help them try to 
pull out of this ash heap of what used to exist, a Government that will 
function and meet the will of the people. And I think it's possible. I 
wouldn't be expending U.S. capital if I didn't. And I know it's 
necessary if you want to see peace in that part of the world.
    So a lot is going on worldwide, based upon the fundamental premise 
that freedom is a necessary part of achieving a peaceful world. And so 
I'm looking forward to the next 4 years, working on this agenda, working 
with friends and allies to continue the spread of freedom, defying the 
cynics and the critics who believe the free only belong to a certain 
type of religion or a certain type of person. And my hope, of course, 
is, when it's all said and done, to look back and say this world is a 
more peaceful place after 8 years of my administration.
    So, Rich, thanks for having me. 
Looking forward to taking a few questions. You've got the floor.
    Richard A. Oppel, Sr. President 
Bush has graciously agreed to take questions as time allows. ASNE 
members are invited to come to the microphones in the audience. Please 
tell us your name and newspaper. And I'm going to take the opportunity, 
Mr. President, to ask the first question.
    I thought at one time that you had a hard time with the political 
crowd here in DC, the voters and the entrenched. And I see that--I 
picked up a baseball cap for this new team you've got here, and I see 
they named it after you; it's got a big ``W'' on it. Are you going to 
the game tonight?
    The President. I thought you were going to ask about FOIA. 
[Laughter]
    Mr. Oppel. That's to come.
    The President. Go ahead. Do you want to ask the first question?
    Mr. Oppel. No, there will be 
questions out here.
    The President. Okay, I'll ask them myself, then. [Laughter]
    Yes, sir.

Social Security Reform

    Q. Mr. President, Clarence Pennington, retired Ohio editor. We 
remember--I remember you saying that you're not going to give up all 
your ideas for a while, until you find out what the opposition is saying 
about Social Security. When I heard that, I thought it was a good idea. 
Well, it's been a while. Is there anybody talking yet, and what are they 
saying?
    The President. Yes. I don't remember putting it that way. I thought 
what I said was I welcome all ideas on the table and that if you're a 
Democrat or a Republican, please bring your ideas forward, and I'll do 
my best to make sure you don't get ridiculed, punished--whatever word 
you want to use--for being bold enough to come up and discuss ways to 
solve the problem.
    But it's interesting, you said we've been here for a while. We have 
been talking about it for a while, but it's going to take a while more 
to continue making clear to people in Congress that we've got a problem, 
see. They're not going to respond until the people say clearly, 
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and what are you going to do to fix it?'' And it takes a while because, 
frankly, this is a heavy lift for some in Congress. You know, why deal 
with an issue if you don't have to? And so I'm going to spend a lot more 
time talking about the problem, making it clear to people.
    There's a dialog going on quietly up there. People are slowly but 
surely beginning to share ideas. And we spend a lot of time on Capitol 
Hill--``we,'' my staff, in particular--working with Members, trying to 
listen to their ideas, trying to begin to fashion a long-term, permanent 
solution to the Social Security issue.
    Q. Just between us, what is being said? Any of them saying anything?
    The President. Are they saying anything?
    Q. Well, yes, about--nobody from the opposition has had a new idea 
for you?
    The President. Oh, they may have, but they're not willing to put it 
on the table yet, publicly. It's going to take a while. This is a 
process. I, unfortunately, don't get to write the legislation. I 
propose; Congress disposes. But yes, we've had some good ideas. 
Remember, a lot of the interesting ideas that I quoted in the State of 
the Union were ideas from people like Bill Clinton or Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan. These are citizens who 
have stepped forward and have talked about ways to permanently fix 
Social Security.
    And I keep emphasizing ``permanently'' because, in 1983, President 
Reagan and Tip O'Neill came together and said, ``Let's fix--put a 75-
year fix out there for Social Security,'' and here we are, 22 years 
later, worrying about permanently fixing it again. And so now is the 
time to do it forever.
    But I'm pleased with the progress. I'm also understanding that 
we're--this is just the beginning stages of what is a difficult debate 
for some. Remember, some in Congress would rather not discuss this issue 
at all. They would rather say, ``Well, please don't jeopardize--put me 
in jeopardy. Please don't cause me to have to take a tough vote.''
    And I've just got a different perspective. I think now is the time 
to fix the problem. The longer you wait, every year you wait, it costs a 
future generation $600 billion. And so I'll continue talking about the 
issue a lot. But it's kind of a--beginning a little movement up there. 
People are talking. They just haven't made their cards all public yet.
    Okay, yes.

Border Security/Immigration Reform

    Q. Mr. President, George Condon with Copley News Service. A month 
ago you stood in Crawford with the leaders of Mexico and Canada and 
talked about the importance of balancing security but maintaining the 
free flow of trade and people across the borders. But this month, your 
Department of Homeland Security has said that they're going to be 
requiring passports for tourists coming across the border. As somebody 
who is familiar with the long lines at today's border, do you--what's 
your reaction to the protests from the business and tourism community? 
And do you support the requirement of passports?
    The President. Yes, I'm aware of the issue, obviously. When I first 
read that in the newspaper, about the need to have passports, for 
particularly today's crossings that take place--about a million, for 
example, in the State of Texas--I said, ``What's going on here?'' I 
thought there was a better way to do--to expedite legal flow of traffic 
and people. Evidently this has been mandated in law. And so I've talked 
to Condi and the Homeland Security people 
about making--seeing if there's some flexibility in the law that will 
allow for, for example, finger imaging to serve as the so-called 
passport for daily traffic. But you're right, it's going to--if people 
have to have a passport, it's going to disrupt honest flow of traffic. I 
think there's some flexibility in the law, and that's what we're 
checking out right now.
    On the larger scale, look, we've got a lot to do to enforce the 
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of you in Arizona, now know that Arizona has got more illegal immigrants 
coming across their border than, I guess, any other State right now. My 
view is Congress needs to work with us to pass immigration reform. One, 
we've got to enforce the border better. We've increased border spending 
by 34 percent since, I think, 2001. But it doesn't make any sense to me 
to have a system that kind of forces an industry to develop, an industry 
that smuggles people, an industry that forges documents, an industry 
that really doesn't represent the best of America.
    It seems like to me what we ought to do is be open about it and say, 
``Look, if you're a willing worker and a willing employee, and you can't 
find an American, here's a legal way to work. Here's a document which 
enables you to be here legally so that if you decide to go home for a 
little bit, you can.'' And there will be time limit on the document, a 
time limit on the right to be here to work. To me it's a more humane way 
than a system which encourages employers who are looking for workers to 
break the law, to accept--unknowingly accept illegal documentation, for 
example. And so I--and this is a tough issue. Look, I understand. The 
danger with the immigration issue is that it can be--it can lead to 
nativism and encourage behavior which is really not how Americans should 
view the world.
    The long-term solution, by the way, to--for example, immigration 
issues with Mexico, is for Mexico to grow a middle class. That's why I'm 
such a big believer in NAFTA. It's in our interest that wealth be spread 
out through the hemisphere--the best way to spread wealth is through 
trade--so that Mexico can grow and become a vibrant place, so people are 
more likely to be able to find a job closer to home. But the reality is 
if you make 50 cents in the interior of Mexico and $5 in Texas, you're 
going to do $5 if you can make it. And so now is the time for legal--
reforming of the immigration system.
    I don't believe in blanket amnesty. I think it would be mistake. I 
think that wouldn't--all that would do is create another incentive for 8 
million people, whatever the number is, to come. And so I think if 
somebody wants to be a citizen, they ought to get in line like everybody 
else who has gotten in line to become a citizen of the United States. 
And so my vision is one that's work-related, and hopefully we can get 
Congress to move on it. There's some bipartisan movement on this issue 
as well. But I'm under no illusions; this is a tough issue for people, 
and it's a hard one. But the system is not working right now.
    And when you talk about border security, George, it's--it would be 
better if our Border Patrol agents were chasing down drugs and guns than 
trying to chase down people. And by that I mean it would be a much more 
efficient use of taxpayers' money if the system were legal, the worker 
system was legal so that the Border Patrol could focus on other issues. 
In other words, if it were legal, people wouldn't have to get in the 
back of an 18-wheeler. If it were legal to come here and work, you 
wouldn't have to walk miles across the hot desert. And it would make it 
easier to protect our border with an immigration system that worked on 
legalizing work.
    Yes, sir.

Government Video News Releases

    Q. Thank you, Mr. President, Bryan Monroe from Knight Ridder. We're 
all aware of the past issues with Armstrong Williams and the video news 
releases and using Government funds to promote, through media and 
journalism, positions that you feel you need to get out. Is that 
consistent with your values and your First Amendment beliefs? And do you 
think that's deceptive to the American people?
    The President. Yes, it's deceptive to the American people if it's 
not disclosed. And I, first of all, in reviewing this issue, have been 
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while. It makes--that doesn't excuse the behavior here, but nevertheless 
it has been, in that it's a legal--it's legal for--to use these video 
news clips. But it's incumbent upon people who use them to say, ``This 
news clip was produced by the Federal Government.''
    Armstrong Williams--it was wrong what 
happened there in the Education Department. But no, I think there needs 
to be full disclosure about the sourcing of the video news clip in order 
to make sure that people don't think their taxpayers' money is being 
used to--in wrong fashion.
    Thank you.

Death Penalty/Theresa Marie Schiavo Case

    Q. Mr. President, Wendy Zomparelli of the Roanoke Times in Virginia. 
In the aftermath of the terribly distressing national debate over the 
case of Terri Schiavo, you spoke of the need to establish a culture of 
life, and yet there's one way in which the United States has long been 
out of step with much of the rest of the world in terms of one's 
appreciation of life, and that is in the use of the death penalty.
    The President. Right.
    Q. Can you please talk about a little bit about your view of the 
death penalty and how that fits into your vision of a culture of life?
    The President. Sure. Thanks. I have been supportive of the death 
penalty both as Governor and President. And the difference between the 
case of Terri Schiavo and the case of a convicted killer is the 
difference between guilt and innocence. And I happen to believe that the 
death penalty, when properly applied, saves lives of others. And so I'm 
comfortable with my beliefs that there's no contradiction between the 
two.

Representative Tom DeLay

    Q. Mr. President, Bill Sternberg with USA Today.
    The President. Oh, hi there. Got a great seat, didn't you? 
[Laughter]
    Q. Yes. Your fellow Republican from Texas, Tom DeLay, has blamed the 
ethical controversy around him largely on bias by the liberal news 
media. Do you agree with him on that----
    The President. Of course not. [Laughter] No, go ahead. Sorry to 
interrupt you.
    Q. ----and do you think Mr. DeLay has become a liability to your 
party or your agenda?
    The President. No, I appreciate that. Look, as I've read his 
comments today, he wants the Ethics Committee to review his case, and 
he's willing to step up and talk to the Ethics Committee about it. And 
secondly, I'm looking forward to working with Tom. He's been a very 
effective leader. We've gotten a lot done in the Legislature, and I'm 
convinced we'll get more done in the Legislature. And I'm looking 
forward to working with him.
    Yes, sir.

Freedom of Information Act

    Q. Mr. President, Tim Franklin from the Baltimore Sun. I know you'd 
be disappointed if you didn't get an FOI question----
    The President. I thought you were going to ask about the, like the 
Oriole-National thing, you know--[laughter]--the broadcast agreement or 
whatever. [Laughter]
    Q. In processing FOI requests, should Government officials presume 
that information should be given to citizens? Or should the burden fall 
on citizens to convince Government to give them access to information?
    The President. That's an interesting way to put the question. Look, 
the presumption ought to be that citizens ought to know as much as 
possible about the Government decisionmaking. Rich and I talked about this backstage a little bit, of 
course. He's constantly lobbying me. [Laughter]
    I know there is a tension now between making the decision of that 
which is--that which can be exposed without jeopardizing the war on 
terror, and I understand there's

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a suspicion that we--we're too security-conscience [conscious]. * Let me 
refer you to the WMD report that the Silberman-Robb Commission--as an 
example, however, of how I hope that we're becoming balanced between 
that which the public ought to know and that which, if we were to 
expose, would jeopardize our capacity to do our job, which is to defend 
America.
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    Ninety percent of the report was declassified. I think that might 
have surprised the press corps. I don't know; I don't want to speak for 
you all. But I think people following this issue were surprised that so 
much was declassified. And yet the Silberman-Robb Commission made it 
really clear that had the other 10 percent been declassified, it would 
have created--it would have jeopardized our capacity to protect the 
country. It would have exposed sources and uses.
    Rich talked about, you know, I 
didn't realize we spent that much money on protecting it, but we also 
spend a lot of money on analyzing FOIA, because somebody told me there's 
3.5 million FOIA requests a year, which is a lot. I can't tell you the 
percentage which pass or not pass, but there is an active interest in 
people reading documents. And I would hope that those who expose 
documents are wise about the difference between that which truly would 
jeopardize national security and that which should be read.
    Look, John Cornyn is a good friend, and we 
look forward to analyzing and working with legislation that will make--
it would hope--put a free press' mind at ease that you're not being 
denied information you shouldn't [should] * see. I will tell you, 
though, I am worried about things getting in the press that put people's 
lives at risk. And I know you--I'm sure you feel the same way, and 
everybody in the room would feel that same way. And it's that judgment 
about what would put somebody's life at risk and what doesn't, is where 
there's tension.
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    And to answer your question, I believe in open government. I've 
always believed in open government. Rich is right. You know, I don't e-mail, however. And there's 
a reason. I don't want you reading my personal stuff. There has got to 
be a certain sense of privacy. You know, you're entitled to how I make 
decisions, and you're entitled to ask questions, which I answer. I don't 
think you're entitled to be able to read my mail between my daughters 
and me.
    And so I've made an easy decision there. I just don't do it, which 
is sad, really, when you think about it. Everything is investigated in 
Washington, and that's just the nature of the way here right now. And so 
we're losing a lot of history, not just with me but with other 
Presidents as well. And so there's a balance through all this. And I 
hope it's said--when it's all said and done, that we were fair to the 
press corps and the American people.
    I said it's hard--in my Inaugural Address, I did talk about, we've 
got to be consistent. I talked to Vladimir Putin about a free press. We've got to make sure our own 
press is free. I know that. I talked to the people in Iraq about a free 
press and transparency and openness, and I'm mindful we can't talk one 
way and do another. But we're still at war, and that's important for 
people to realize.
    Right after September the 11th, I was fully aware that the farther 
we got away from September the 11th, the more likely it would be that 
people would forget the stakes. I wish I could report that all is well. 
It's not. It's just not. It's going to take a while. What is better is 
that there's fewer Al Qaida, and we got them off balance, and we're 
continuing to press. And so long as people can be endangered by leaks, 
we just got to be real careful.
    Anyway, I don't know if--I probably talked your--talked you to 
death. That's call filibustering. [Laughter]

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    Thank you.

CIA Employee Identity Disclosure Investigation

    Q. Mr. President, Mike Lloyd, the Grand Rapids Press, Grand Rapids, 
Michigan, kind of a followup on the same topic. When you talk about 
risks of exposing sources of information that could have an impact on 
life, do you think that Judith Miller and Matt Cooper are wrong for not 
disclosing their sources?
    The President. Why don't we let the courts decide that. You think 
I'm going there? You're crazy. [Laughter]
    Q. Then I have a followup----
    The President. Right answer, Herman? Now, if 
it were Herman, I would say, lock him up. [Laughter]
    I'm not going to talk about that, seriously----
    Q. I have a followup that might help you, then. Do you have two 
tickets to tonight's game? [Laughter]
    The President. Yes. Depends on what you write next time. [Laughter]
    No, look, this is all--we're all under the microscope on this issue. 
This is an issue that there is a--Mr. Fitzgerald is looking into all aspects of this issue, and so it's--on 
the advice of counsel, I'm not talking. [Laughter]

Freedom of Information Act

    Q. Good afternoon, Mr. President. I'm Craig Klugman from the Fort 
Wayne Journal Gazette. I, too, have a follow-up question on FOIA. The 
longest pending FOIA request is over two decades old. My own newspaper 
has received answers to FOI requests long after the reporter has left 
the newspaper. Is there anything your office can or should do to speed 
up responses to legitimate FOI requests?
    The President. First of all, I was happy to hear that the request 
was more than two decades. I thought he was going to say, like, 4 years 
and 2 months old. [Laughter] I have no idea how to answer your question 
on this particular request. And I will be glad to get Rich to send it over. I really don't. I'm not 
dodging. I don't know what the request is. I don't know who you made the 
request to. I don't know why it's taken 20 years.
    Q. It's not that particular request; it is just the whole nature 
that some FOI requests take years and years to get an answer.
    The President. Was this a request to the White House or was it to--
--
    Q. It was an FBI request. But I'm talking in general terms: Is there 
anything your office can or should do?
    The President. I think that FOIA requests ought to be dealt with as 
expeditiously as possible. But again, I just don't know the facts on 
this one. And I would hope that, at least the FOIA requests to the White 
House, our staff deals with them quickly or as quickly as humanly 
possible.
    Yes, ma'am.
    Q. Hi, Margaret Sullivan with the Buffalo News, Mr. President. 
Following up just a bit on the question of classified information, which 
we discussed, would you support a requirement that agencies submit an 
impact statement, sort of like an environmental impact statement, before 
they make a determination that large categories of information should be 
kept secret? Given that the U.S. Information Security Oversights Office, 
which monitors classification, has expressed concern about the sharp 
increase in unwarranted classifications of Government information.
    The President. Yes. I'll look at the idea. Again, I don't know 
enough about it. But I think the philosophical answer I gave was that 
the people deserve to know so long as it doesn't jeopardize their 
security. Put it in that context. But if there is a--again, this is--is 
this a part of the Cornyn law, I presume?
    Mr. Oppel. The Cornyn law would put a limit of a maximum 20 days on 
how long an agency has to respond.

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    The President. I just need to--I, frankly, haven't looked at the 
particulars of the Cornyn idea. Be glad to look 
at it. Thanks. Sorry about that.

Decency Standards for Satellite and Cable Television

    Q. Mr. President, Scott Anderson with Tribune Interactive in 
Chicago. There are those in Congress and elsewhere who would propose 
that the FCC be expanded or legislation be passed that would provide for 
decency standards on satellite television and cable television. Your 
thoughts on that, sir?
    The President. I didn't quite get it all, the FCC, the Michael 
Powell suggestion on decency standards?
    Q. Yes, there are those who would like to place on satellite and 
cable some decency standards.
    The President. Yes, I'm for that. I think there ought to be a 
standard. On the other hand, I fully understand that the final edit or 
the final decision is a parent turning off the TV. I mean, the ultimate 
responsibility in a consumer-driven economy is for people to say, ``I'm 
not going to watch it,'' and turn the knob off. That's how best to make 
decisions and how best to send influences. But I don't mind standards 
being set out for people to adjudge the content of a show, to help 
parents make right decisions. Government ought to help parents, not 
hinder parents in sending good messages to their children.
    But look, I mean, we're a free society. The marketplace makes 
decisions. If you don't like something, don't watch it. And presumably, 
advertising dollars will wither, and the show will go off the air. But I 
have no problems with standards being set to help parents make good 
decisions.
    Yes, sir.

Federal Emergency Management Agency/Florida Disasters

    Q. Randy Hammer from Pensacola, Florida. The four hurricanes that 
hit the State and, since then, the counties that were hardest hit have 
had problems getting information as well as help from FEMA. At the 
congressional hearings last month, there was a sense that FEMA was more 
effective and responsive when it wasn't under the umbrella of Homeland 
Security. Would you support removing FEMA from under the umbrella of 
Homeland Security?
    The President. No. I would support getting FEMA to do its job no 
matter what the umbrella it's under. I was, one, impressed by the FEMA 
response. Of course, sometimes I only get the Cook's tour. But I----
    Q. Well, it was pretty good when you showed up. [Laughter]
    The President. That's what I was afraid of. [Laughter]
    Q. It was after you left that----
    The President. No, I think FEMA ought to be under the umbrella. I 
just think it ought to do its job as good as possible. Look, if FEMA--I 
don't think that is--I don't think the umbrella under which FEMA exists 
will make the decisions as to whether or not people respond to a 
national catastrophe like that.
    I do get feedback from your Governor--
[laughter]--who felt like things were going all right. The Congressmen 
from that part of the world--the last time I was down there, I asked 
them if they thought the response was--the initial response was good, 
and the question is, is the followup response?
    Q. Right, it's the followup response.
    The President. Yes, the SBA loans, the help. And he didn't complain--or they didn't complain. But I'll check 
back into it. No, I think FEMA ought to stay in the Homeland Security 
Department, though.
    A couple more, and then I've got to go warm up. [Laughter]

Independence of the Judicial Branch

    Q. Mr. President, Chris Peck, editor of the Commercial Appeal in 
Memphis. This

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morning we heard Floyd Abrams, a First Amendment attorney, who said that 
greatest challenge and the greatest threat to the First Amendment now is 
the effort that Congress is making to put pressure on judges, to try to 
say that judges should not act independently. And part of this grew out 
of the Terri Schiavo case, but there are other pressures growing. What 
is your thought about the role Congress should play in trying to 
influence the decisions of judges?
    The President. I think there are three distinct branches of 
Government, and they ought to act independently and serve as checks and 
balances. I'm strongly for an independent judiciary. My focus with 
Congress on judges is that they're not approving enough of my judges in 
the United States Senate. And I think my judges ought to get an up-or-
down vote, period. I think they ought to get a hearing, and I think they 
ought to get to the floor of the Senate, and I think they ought to 
deserve an up-or-down vote. But I'm strongly for an independent 
judiciary.

China-U.S. Relations

    Q. Mr. President, Rod Sandeen from the Freedom Forum. You talked 
that there's a lot going on overseas and mentioned some countries. I'd 
like to ask you about China. What is our Government's policy toward 
China?
    The President. Well, that is a complex question because the 
relationship is complex. On trade, we're friends with China, for 
example, for floating our currency, so we can have free and fair trade 
with China. With human rights, we expect China to be a society that 
welcomes all religions. When it comes to foreign policy, we expect China 
to cooperate in the war on terror, and we expect there to be peace with 
Taiwan.
    I mean, there is a lot to our relationship with China. My view of 
China is, is that it's a great nation that's growing like mad. That's 
one of the reasons why Americans are seeing over $2 gasoline, is because 
demand for energy in China is huge, and supply around the world hasn't 
kept up with the increase in demand. That's why you're seeing crude go 
up, and crude is the feed stock for gasoline.
    But we've got a very complex and a good relationship with China 
right now, and I intend to keep it that way. But I'm constantly 
reminding China that a great society is one that welcomes and honors 
human rights, for example; welcomes the Catholic Church in its midst; 
doesn't fear religious movements. As a matter of fact, a vibrant society 
is one that welcomes religious movements. But with China--we've got good 
relations with China.
    Listen, I've got to hop. I want to thank you for your time, 
appreciate your interests. God bless.

Note: The President spoke at 1:22 p.m. at the J.W. Marriott Hotel. In 
his remarks, he referred to Richard A. Oppel, Sr., past president, 
American Society of Newspaper Editors, who introduced the President; Ken 
Herman, reporter, Austin American-Statesman; Karla Garrett Harshaw, 
president, American Society of Newspaper Editors; Minister of External 
Affairs K. Natwar Singh of India; President Pervez Musharraf of 
Pakistan; Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel; President Mahmoud Abbas 
(Abu Mazen) of the Palestinian Authority; Secretary of State Condoleezza 
Rice; columnist Armstrong Williams; President Vladimir Putin of Russia; 
Patrick J. Fitzgerald, U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of 
Illinois and Department of Justice CIA leak investigation Special 
Prosecutor; and Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida. He also referred to the 
Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States 
Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction (Silberman-Robb Commission).

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