[Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: George W. Bush (2005, Book I)]
[February 4, 2005]
[Pages 162-174]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]



Remarks in a Discussion on Strengthening Social Security in Tampa, 
Florida
February 4, 2005

    The President. Go ahead and sit down, please. Thanks for the warm 
welcome. It's good to be back in Florida. I'm looking for my little 
brother, but he didn't show. [Laughter] It's okay, 
I love him anyway. Plus, he's doing a great job as the Governor.
    Thanks for coming today. This is my fifth stop after the State of 
the Union Address to talk about important issues for our country. As you 
can see, I'm joined by some distinguished citizens who are going to 
share some of their thoughts about the Social Security system. That's 
what we're here to talk about. But before we get there, I do want to 
recognize some folks, and I've got some other things to say as well.

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    First, I am really proud to have been met at the airport and have 
traveled over with two Members of the Congress, starting first with 
United States Senator Mel Martinez; 
Congresswoman Ginny Brown-Waite--thank 
you for coming, Ginny Brown; Congressman Adam Putnam.
    The Lieutenant Governor came, for which I am grateful, Toni 
Jennings. Thanks for being here.
    Margaret Goodson is with us today. 
Margaret, please stand up. I met Margaret at the base of Air Force One. 
Margaret is a volunteer for Meals on Wheels. The reason I like to herald 
volunteers is, one, to encourage people to volunteer, but as well to 
remind our fellow citizens our true strength, the great strength of 
America, is the hearts and souls of our citizens, the fact that people 
like Margaret are willing to help somebody out--somebody, in this case, 
who's hungry.
    If you're interested in serving the country, find somebody who is 
looking for shelter and help them find housing; love somebody who hurts; 
help somebody get rid of an addiction. You see, that's what--that's how 
you change a society. And Margaret, you're 
part of the army of compassion, and I want to thank you for your 
service.
    We're headed toward peace, and that's important. We're still at war. 
I wish I could report to the Nation, during my State of the Nation and 
here in Florida, that the war is over. It's not--there's still an enemy 
that cannot stand America, that still wants to inflict harm on our 
people precisely because we refuse to relent in our love for freedom. 
But we're making good progress.
    First, I want to thank the troops and their families for helping us 
stay on the offensive against the terrorists and the haters. Every time 
a terrorist is brought to justice, our children and grandchildren are 
safer. But as well, every time a democracy is born in a part of the 
world and around the world, our children and grandchildren are safer as 
well.
    We've seen a remarkable, remarkable series of events when you think 
about it. In a very brief period of time, Afghanistan became a 
democracy; people were able to vote for a President of that country--they tell me, for the first time in 
5,000 years. Millions of people showed up at the polls. The first voter 
was a woman who was not allowed to participate in democracy during the 
Taliban. And that's important for our children and grandchildren. The 
fact that Afghanistan is free sets a powerful example in a part of the 
world that is in need for powerful examples of a free society.
    The Ukraine elected a President in 
the last 4 months. The Palestinians have elected a new leader who shows he's willing to stand up and 
fight off the terror. And we're--Condi Rice, by the way, is headed over there to work with 
both Israel and Palestinians to help Palestine develop a democracy.
    If you're interested in true peace in the Middle East, like I am, I 
fully understand that for there to be true peace, the Palestinian people 
must be allowed to express themselves in the ballot box, give their 
opinions in the public square. There must be a free press. In other 
words, there must be a true democracy in order for there to be peace in 
the Middle East. We're headed that way.
    And finally, as you know, last Sunday the Iraqi citizens, in spite 
of threats and violence and beheadings and all kinds of horrible acts, 
went to the polls by the millions. They defied the few acts of the 
terrorists. Every time a society becomes a free society, our children 
and grandchildren are better off, because free societies are peaceful 
societies. Democracies promote peace, and that's what we're interested 
in.
    So I'm enthusiastic and optimistic about what is taking place in the 
world, and I believe the United States has a duty and an obligation, not 
only to future generations of Americans but to people who live in 
tyranny, to promote democracy wherever tyranny exists. I believe every 
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to be free; that's what I believe. I believe everybody desires to be 
free. The Iraqi elections helped prove that point. The people did 
incredible, brave things in order to express their will. It's because 
people love freedom and, if given the chance to be free, they accept 
freedom.
    Our mission in Iraq is to continue to stand with the Iraqi 
Government. We will not put an artificial timetable of withdrawal out. 
That would be a--such a decision would embolden an enemy. It would send 
the wrong signal. Here's the game plan. The game plan is to stand with 
the Iraqis, is to train them better, is to give them a chain of command, 
is to work with their junior officers so that the Iraqi units, which did 
very well on election day, have got what it takes to defend their own 
country. You see, this new democracy, like any new democracy, is going 
to want to defend itself. And as--and people say, ``Well, are you sure 
they want to defend themselves?'' I say, ``Absolutely.'' Look what they 
did on election day. If they're willing to defy the terrorists by going 
to a ballot box, they're willing to take the training necessary to 
defeat the terrorists where the terrorists exist. And when Iraqis are 
ready to defend themselves, our troops are coming home with the honor 
they've earned.
    I don't know about you, but the hug between the mom from Pflugerville, Texas, whose son died on the 
battlefield, and the woman whose dad had been--Saddam Hussein had ordered her dad's assassination, human rights 
activist inside of Iraq who voted 
and flew over to represent her country in Laura's 
box--I thought the hug was about as profound a measure of compassion and 
decency and respect and thanks that I've ever seen. It was a--
[applause].
    And for those of you who have got a loved one in the theater or has 
a loved one in the theater today, you got to know that the Iraqi people 
appreciate our sacrifices. And I believe generations of Americans to 
come will appreciate the fact that this generation not only stood strong 
in the face of a Saddam Hussein but stuck it 
out and helped the Iraqi people develop a democracy. Democracies lead to 
peace. And we have a duty to help this world become more free so our 
children and grandchildren can grow up in a peaceful world.
    We have a duty to make sure there's a retirement system for our 
children too. And that's what I want to talk about. First of all, it's 
pretty interesting we're talking about Social Security, isn't it? It 
used to be called the third rail of American politics. If you touched 
it, you would be shocked--[laughter]--sometimes shocked out of politics. 
[Laughter] I campaigned on the issue because I thought it was important 
to do so. I also believe the role of a President is to confront 
problems, not to pass them on to a future President, future Congress, or 
a future generation.
    So the question you ask is, do we have a problem? Well, here it is. 
When Social Security was designed, the life expectancy was about 60 
years old. In other words, you were expected to live that long. Today, 
life expectancy is 77 years old. In other words, people are living 
longer.
    Secondly, there is a group of folks fixing to retire, a big bulge of 
us. We're called the baby boomers. So not only are people living longer, 
but there's a whole bunch of people who are going to be living longer 
that are eligible for Social Security.
    Thirdly, benefits are going up dramatically. So you've got a lot of 
people living longer, getting greater--with greater benefits promised. 
And what this chart will show you here is that you got fewer people 
paying in. In 1950, 16 workers were paying to the system to support one 
beneficiary. That obviously makes a system more affordable than one in 
which only 3.3 people are paying per beneficiary. Fewer workers putting 
in money to pay for more workers who are living longer and getting more 
benefits--that is a problem. And it's a problem defined by that chart, 
which shows that in 2018, the Social Security system goes negative, more 
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beneficiaries than coming in through payroll taxes. That's a fact. And 
every year thereafter, the gap grows wider.
    So to give you an example, in 2027, the system will be $200 billion 
short. In other words, they collect X amount of payroll taxes, but 
because baby boomers like me are living longer and have been promised 
greater benefits, we're $200 billion short that year--that year. And the 
next year is bigger than 200 billion. In 3037, it's like 300 billion. 
And finally in--2037, it's 300 billion. In 2042, it's bust. Those are 
the facts.
    So I see a problem. And I think it's time to address it square on. 
That's why I spent a great deal of time in the State of the Union. Now, 
this is not a problem for people who have retired or near-retired. This 
is not a problem for people who are now on Social Security who were born 
before 1950. It is not a problem. I don't care what they tell you. I 
don't care what the brochures say. The Social Security trust is sound 
and solvent for people who are counting on the checks today and people 
are going to be counting on the checks who are near-retired. It's just 
the way it is.
    The problem exists for younger folks. The problem is, younger folks 
are going to be coming up in a world where either you got to raise taxes 
dramatically, borrow significant amounts of money, slash Government 
programs, slash benefits in order to make that red in that chart go 
away. And that's the dilemma we have right now. That's the problem those 
of us who are in Washington, DC, must confront, because every year you 
wait, the problem becomes worse for our kids.
    I think now is the time to take on the issue. And that's exactly 
what I intend to do. That's why I have been to five States since the 
State of the Union, and that's why I'm going to continue traveling our 
country, saying to the American people, ``Here's the problem.'' We'll 
have somebody else describe it as well. And the reason I believe that's 
important to do is because I think the American people actually have a 
lot to do with how Congress responds. You may not think that, but having 
been up there long enough to tell you how it works, you can make a 
difference in how people respond.
    Once people recognize there's a little bit of denial in Washington--
they'll say there's not a problem. There's a fair number of people who 
say, ``It isn't a problem.'' If that's the prevailing view, nothing is 
going to happen. I fully recognize that. So step one is to say we have a 
problem. And step two is to start coming up with a solution. And I have 
a responsibility to be involved with that as well. It's one thing for a 
fellow to say, ``You've got a problem. You all go figure it out.'' 
That's not my style. My style is to say, ``We've got a problem, and 
we're going to figure it out.''
    All ideas are on the table except running up the payroll tax. And I 
don't care whether it's a Democrat idea, Republican idea, independent 
idea, I'm interested in ideas. And so I'm going to say, like I have been 
saying before to the United States Congress, ``Bring them up. Let's see 
what you think we ought to do to solve the problem, and I'll work with 
you.'' This is not one of these moments where we're trying to gain 
political advantage. I think this has got to be a moment where people 
from both parties come together and say, ``Here is a problem.'' For 
generations--it's not a problem for just Republican youngsters. It's not 
a problem just for Democrat youngsters. It's a problem for every 
youngster coming up in America. And therefore, I want to work with 
Members of the Congress. And so I said in my speech the other day, 
``Other people have had some good ideas. They're on the table. And if 
you want to lay one out, I promise you there won't be political 
retribution for having done so.''
    Now, I've got some of my own ideas. And I want to share one idea 
with you, and we've got some panelists here that think it's pretty good 
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going to give you a different perspective, perhaps, than the one I give 
you.
    The way the system works is that you write a check--you don't write 
a check; they take it out of your check, a payroll tax, and it 
immediately goes to pay somebody's benefits. That's the way it works. 
It's a pay-as-you-go system, and we'll discuss that in a minute. What I 
think you ought to do is be able to take some of the money you're paying 
in and set up what's called a personal retirement account. First of all, 
there's a simple principle, and it's--actually, it's your money that's 
going into the Social Security trust. You're working, and you're paying 
the payroll taxes, and I think some of that money ought to go into a 
retirement account.
    And why that is important is because with a conservative mix of 
stocks and bonds, you will be able to get--your money will be able to 
get a better rate of return than the money inside the Social Security 
trust. And by getting a better rate of return inside the Social Security 
trust, your nest egg will grow big enough to help you when it comes time 
to retire--not fully take care of all your retirement obligations, 
because you'll still have money in the Social Security trust, which 
you'll be able to receive at the appropriate time, but it will help 
complement the money. And that's important. And that's an important 
aspect of making sure that the promises made to the younger workers are 
more likely, or more closely to be delivered.
    Secondly, I like the idea of promoting an ownership society. I think 
it makes sense to have people feel a stake in the future by owning 
something. I like the concept of people getting a quarterly statement 
about how their stocks and bonds are doing in their own personal 
account.
    Thirdly, I like the idea of somebody being able to say, ``My money 
has grown to X. I'm not going to necessarily need it to retire, and I 
want to leave it to whomever I choose to leave it to.'' In other words, 
your asset, your decision as to who ends up with the money that you have 
saved.
    See, I think all these concepts are an important part of helping to 
strengthen Social Security for generations to come, the most important 
aspect of which is that the money will earn a greater rate of return 
than that which is now being earned in the Social Security trust. So a 
dollar will be a lot bigger when it comes time to retire than a dollar 
that had been kept in the trust. That's called the compounding rate of 
interest.
    Now, some of you are beginning to glaze over. I understand. 
[Laughter] Think about private property in an account that you can pass 
on to who you want, that earns a better return than the current system, 
and you'll end up with more money.
    Now, there's some rules, and it's important for you to know the 
rules. One, you can't take your money that you set aside in the personal 
account and go to the racetrack or take it to the lottery. You can't do 
that. There will be a prescribed mix of conservative stocks and bonds 
into which you can invest, similar to the employee thrift plan at the 
Federal Government level. See, this already exists, by the way. I 
haven't invented this. Federal employees now get to do that. They get to 
take a portion of their money and put it in a conservative mix of stocks 
and bonds, five different programs they get to choose from, so they get 
a better rate on their money.
    Secondly, you can't pull it all out when it comes time to your--you 
can't take it all and then go to the track. [Laughter] You're not 
allowed to do that. You can take it out--withdraw it in an orderly 
fashion so as it complements your Social Security check. And those are 
important things for people to understand.
    Thirdly, there are ways to make sure that you can invest in very 
safe certificates as you head into retirement. People are going to say, 
``Well, what happens if the stock market goes down the year I'm going to 
retire?'' Well, first of all, you've had your

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money in the market over an extended period of time. But if you're 
worried about that, there are ways to invest the money prior to 
retirement to help kind of shield from a cyclical market. What I'm 
telling you is these investment vehicles will be safe. There's all kinds 
of rhetoric about, well, you're not going to let people gamble their 
money. Well, if things are done in a conservative fashion, you will be 
able to achieve the objective of getting a better rate of return on your 
money and have more money available for you on retirement than if it had 
sat in the Social Security trust. In other words, that money will grow 
better.
    It's very important for people to understand that there's going to 
be some tough decisions we have to make. And the purpose of personal 
accounts is not only more freedom, but it's to try to get your 
retirement nest egg close to that which has been promised. That's what 
we're talking about.
    Now, that's one idea. And I'm willing to debate it and campaign on 
it and talk to people about it. And I expect the Congress to take it 
seriously, just like I'll take every idea that they put out seriously. 
This is going to require a joint effort to get the job done. And I'm 
looking forward to working with these Members. I've got--there's some 
sympathetic ears here, which I appreciate. Other Members are watching 
very carefully. They're listening carefully. If you've got a concern 
about Social Security, you tell your people about it. Just let me remind 
you, if you're a senior, nothing changes. And if you're a youngster, I'd 
be knocking on the Members of the Congress and the Senate's door to say, 
``What are you going to do about that chart to make sure I can grow up 
in a--[applause].
    Olivia Mitchell is with us. Olivia, 
tell them what you do.
    Olivia Mitchell. Thank you, Mr. 
President. I teach pensions and Social Security at the Wharton School at 
the University of Pennsylvania. And I thank you because in the last 
couple of years, the students are finally sitting up and paying 
attention because of what's in this graph.

[At this point, Dr. Mitchell, director, Pension Research Council, 
Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania, made further remarks.]

    The President. Yes, it's a very important point she made. The private account--the private retirement accounts 
alone don't fix Social Security. They are part of a larger solution. And 
that's what's important to know. It's just the fact that you can earn 
better rates of return within a private account that it makes it--that 
it helps mitigate the other changes in the system that will be necessary 
to eradicate the red ink.
    Dr. Mitchell. Absolutely right.
    The President. Well, thanks for coming. Gosh, I'm--you know, it's 
interesting--well, anyway, I find it interesting that younger people are 
now paying attention to the issue. That's important. See, when the word 
gets out to the Congress that says there's a lot of young folks who are 
saying, ``I don't think I'm ever going to see a dime unless Congress 
acts,'' that will get people acting, because there's a lot of young 
folks. The key is to make sure our seniors fully understand that they're 
not going to see anything change.
    Dwight Dillard, right here. You worked--
you've worked most of your life, haven't you?
    Dwight Dillard. Yes, sir, I have.
    The President. From where, initially?
    Mr. Dillard. Initially, in the Midwest.
    The President. There you go.
    Mr. Dillard. Lee's Summit----
    The President. Been there, Lee's Summit, Missouri. Fine place, by 
the way. Went to Lee's Summit High School--I didn't attend Lee's Summit 
High School; I actually gave a speech at Lee's Summit High School. 
[Laughter]
    Mr. Dillard. Yes, and your father did 
too.
    The President. Yes, he did. Ever since 
the Adams boys went to Lee's Summit,

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there hasn't been a father and son President team go. [Laughter] Are you 
on Social Security now?
    Mr. Dillard. Yes, sir, I am. I've been 
retired for about 10 years.
    The President. Right. So he's receiving Social Security. 
Dwight, when we visited him back there, he 
just wanted to make sure the Social Security system stayed the same for 
him. If you're on Social Security today, you're not interested in 
somebody coming along saying, ``Let's just change the rules.'' And 
that's not happening. I hope you understand that.
    Mr. Dillard. Yes, I--yes, I do.
    The President. Good.
    Mr. Dillard. I understand it completely, 
and I'm--my worry is for my children and grandchildren.
    The President. Right.
    Mr. Dillard. That's my concern.
    The President. That ought to be the concern of every grandparent and 
parent, when you start thinking about the facts: 200 billion in 2027, 
bigger the next year, bigger the next year, bigger the next year, and 
bust in 2042. So I appreciate you coming. You got anything else you want 
to add, Dwight?
    Mr. Dillard. No, sir--other than I think 
it should be acted on, the sooner the better.
    The President. By the way, Dwight worked 
at Sheet Metal Local Number Two Union. This is--what we're talking about 
here is, we're talking about a plan for everybody. This isn't just a 
management plan; this is an everybody plan. This is an idea that we've 
all got to come together--whether you're union or management, Republican 
or Democrat, people from all walks of life must put their minds together 
to get something done, so our youngsters are not strapped with a system 
that's going to make it hard for this country's economy to continue to 
remain the best in the world, where people are not going to be able to 
realize their dreams. That's what we're talking about.
    So thanks for coming, Dwight.
    Mr. Dillard. Thank you, sir.
    The President. You did a heck of a job.
    Carlos--Carlos Huertas. Bienvenidos.
    Carlos Huertas. Gracias.
    The President. Why were you interested in joining us? First of all, 
let's talk about your family.

[Mr. Huertas, support engineer, PerkinElmer, Riverview, FL, made brief 
remarks.]

    The President. Very good. And--so tell me about--let's see, what do 
you do for a living?
    Mr. Huertas. I'm a support engineer for a 
company that makes--manufactures electronic laboratory equipment.
    The President. Good, yes. How's business?
    Mr. Huertas. It's good. Actually, it's a 
very good company.
    The President. It's good to hear. It's nice to hear, isn't it? 
Actually, speaking about business, we had some good news today. The 
national unemployment rate dropped to 5.2 percent, and 146,000 jobs were 
added in January. That's good.
    Mr. Huertas. That's very good.
    The President. Keep going. You're planning for your retirement, 
although you're awfully young.

[Mr. Huertas made further remarks.]

    The President. Yes, see, it's an interesting thing, what 
he's saying. First of all, he says he's got a 
401(k). When I was coming up, those were three numbers and one letter in 
the alphabet. No one knew what it meant, 401(k). There's a different 
mentality amongst younger folks in America. A 401(k) means it's a plan 
that he owns and he manages. That's how the retirement system works. He 
gets the statements.
    Mr. Huertas. Right.
    The President. He sees the mix of stocks 
and bonds grow. I presume it's been growing.

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    Mr. Huertas. Yes, it has. And the thing I 
like about the proposed reforms to Social Security is that, just like I 
do on the 401(k), I can invest in the market where I get a better 
return, plus I can keep control of my finances just like I like it.
    The President. Yes. See, people say, ``Well, I wonder if I can do 
that?'' In the employee thrift plan, you've got five plans to choose 
from. We're not talking about needing to become a great financial 
analyst in order to make decisions. These are decisions that are 
commonsense decisions that anybody can do over--with a little--just a 
little confidence. And you might explain to people how easy it is in a 
401(k) to make rational decisions for your own money.
    Mr. Huertas. Normally, there's a manager, 
right, that is the finance manager that controls the funds. All you need 
to do is decide how much money you want to put on each account. And of 
course, there's always a choice of--whether you are younger, you usually 
put more money on the risky finances and less money on the other one. 
When you are older, like I'm getting, I will put less money on those 
risky--[laughter].
    The President. I wish I was your ``old.'' [Laughter]
    Mr. Huertas. So anyway, it's pretty 
simple. There's obviously a lot of funds out there. But my understanding 
is that in this reform, there's going to be just a few of them.
    The President. Yes, just a few choices to choose from, and no high-
fliers, reasonable--reasonably managed risk. And that's important for 
people to know.
    Thanks for coming, Carlos. You did a fine 
job there.
    Mr. Huertas. My pleasure.
    The President. Yes, I'm looking forward to meeting your wife, sons, 
and daughter.
    Jennifer--Jennifer has got the hardest 
job in America. She's a single mom.
    Jennifer Lalani. Well, thank you. Thank 
you.
    The President. All right, Jennifer, what 
do you do?
    Ms. Lalani. What do I do? Besides 
raising my two lovely children, which again, like you said, it is the 
hardest job, the most challenging job, but the job I really, truly 
love--I'm actually a pharmacist. And I currently work for a major chain, 
and what I do is I manage 30 of their stores.
    The President. So you're a manager?
    Ms. Lalani. Yes, so being a mom was a 
great training ground for the corporate job. [Laughter] It taught me 
about multitasking.
    The President. Very good. Nice long word, multitasking. Very good. 
[Laughter] Inject a little intellectual strength here in this 
conversation.
    Ms. Lalani. Yes, there you go. Corporate 
talk.
    The President. That's right. It is. All right, tell me what your 
concerns are on the Social Security plan.

[Ms. Lalani, district pharmacy supervisor, CVS, Windermere, FL, made 
further remarks.]

    The President. Yes, that's an interesting point. I don't mean to 
interrupt you, but it's a great point. If you put a lot of money in the 
system and you die early and your child is over a certain age, that 
asset of yours goes to somebody else. That's the way the system works. 
In other words, you have nothing left over, under the current system; 
that's what you're saying.
    Ms. Lalani. Absolutely. From what I've 
read, these personal retirement accounts, whatever is in there would go 
on to your estate and to its heirs.
    The President. Absolutely.
    Ms. Lalani. I think the single moms out 
there who have to help fund their kids' college education, if they were 
to pass on, at least there would be something there for the children.
    The President. Precisely. The point is, is that as Jennifer has mentioned, it's her money that she has been 
paying in, but

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yet there was nothing there to give. And there's something--I think one 
can achieve peace of mind by having assets that you call your own, that 
you can pass on. And that's one of the interesting aspects of a personal 
account. It's, to me, promoting the idea of a mom working and saying, 
``This is--I'm building up this for my kids,'' is really an important 
part of a stable and generous society.
    And so I want to thank you for bringing that up. Good job.
    Ms. Lalani. Thank you.
    The President. By the way, people say, ``Can you afford to do 
this?'' Well, first of all, I don't think you can afford not to do it. 
But we have got a plan; our idea is that we phase in these accounts 
slowly so that the transition cost is manageable in the budget process. 
In other words, these things just don't start all at once. You can start 
by putting $1,000 aside or up to 4 percent, which is ever less, and over 
time that grows $100 a year so, eventually, you get to the 4 percent 
cap--4 percent of your income. So if you're making $90,000, you can have 
an account of 3,600 a year. But it's going to be phased in so that the 
transition cost is manageable.
    We believe--this administration believes that the slower you start 
and let these accounts grow, the more people will see that it's 
fiscally--a fiscally responsible way to begin a brandnew idea.
    Jim Browne. He's the youngest guy up here. 
Congratulations. [Laughter] All right, what do you do?
    Jim Browne. I work for the Pinellas County 
government at the tax collector's office. [Laughter]
    The President. Great. Thank you. [Laughter]
    Mr. Browne. Sorry.
    The President. That's good, he knows 
something--in other words, he's an expert on the subject. [Laughter] You 
had some interesting things to say.
    Mr. Browne.  Yes. Well, first off, I'd like 
to say how much I appreciate you bringing up the subject of the future 
of Social Security. For many of my generation, we don't anticipate the 
system being there for us as it stands.
    The President. Let me stop there. Hear what he said? First of all, when I was 27 years old, I don't 
remember having a discussion with anybody about whether or not Social 
Security would be there. Any other baby boomers here remember talking 
about Social Security and its viability when we were 27? No. The dynamic 
has changed. There are 27-year-olders all over the country saying, ``Is 
the system going to be there, and what are you going to do about it?'' 
Go ahead. [Laughter] Not, what are you going to do about it; what I'm 
going to do about it. [Laughter]

[Mr. Browne, tax assistant, Pinellas County, FL, made further remarks.]

    The President. Portability means when you change jobs, the account 
goes with you. It's yours, like, forever, until you pass it on to 
somebody else. Good point. I wish I'd have thought of that. [Laughter] 
Is that it? You're full of wisdom. You might as well--you're on a roll. 
[Laughter]
    Mr. Browne. Well, I just hope that Congress 
will work together in a bipartisan fashion, because this is--well, this 
is something that is not going to be anything that's going to disappear 
anywhere in the near future. Well, actually, the way it stands, it just 
might. [Laughter]
    The President. No, it won't disappear in the future because there's 
still going to be liability--people are still going to want the checks 
the Government has promised. The problem won't go away. It just gets 
worse. That's exactly right. When you're getting your check and the 
Government says they're going to give you one, you expect it. And so as 
this thing gets redder and redder and redder, the measures become more 
and more draconian to make sure we fulfill the obligations.
    It's not going away. You're right, it 's not. Bankrupt doesn't mean 
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bankrupt means it's just flat broke. And it means we're going to have to 
do something dramatic to fix it. And now is the time to get after it.
    Listen, a good presentation by all the people up here. I hope this 
helps you understand that this is--I mean, it's one thing for me to come 
and kind of opine; it's another thing for people who have thought about 
the issue to give you their opinions. And there's a lot of people like 
them all over the country who are concerned enough to come on a stage, 
by the way, in front of all these cameras and express their opinions. 
And I want to thank you all for doing it.
    Let me--I'll answer some questions, if you've got time. Let me 
answer some questions, and we'll get out of here. You did good. Thank 
you. You've got the best view in the house. [Laughter]
    Any questions? Yes, sir.

Social Security ``Notch'' Issue

    Q. [Inaudible]
    The President. Yes, 19--he's worried about the ``Notch'' issue. We 
don't think that's going to be an issue. Before 1950, everything stays 
the same--before your--before those--for those who were born on 1950 and 
before, everything stays the same. And afterwards, the program will be--
a personal account will begin to affect them.
    Yes, ma'am.

Transition Costs

    Q. [Inaudible]--to the way you're proposing?
    The President. Yes, she's asking about the cost of the transition. 
It's estimated about 600 billion over a 10-year period of time to get 
the personal accounts started on the--the way we've suggested they grow. 
It's a good question.
    Yes, ma'am.

Proposed Reforms

    Q. [Inaudible]--really understand how is it the new plan is going to 
fix that problem?
    The President. Because the--all which is on the table begins to 
address the big cost-drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, 
for example, is on the table; whether or not benefits rise based upon 
wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the 
formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those 
different cost-drivers, affecting those--changing those with personal 
accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be--
or closer delivered to what has been promised. Does that make any sense 
to you? It's kind of muddled.
    Look, there's a series of things that cause the--like, for example, 
benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages as opposed to 
the increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate--the 
benefits will rise based upon inflation as opposed to wage increases. 
There is a reform that would help solve the red if that were put into 
effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised 
benefits grow, if those--if that growth is affected, it will help on the 
red.
    Okay, better? I'll keep working on it. [Laughter]
    Yes, sir.
    Q. How do you like these hard questions?
    The President. You know--you watch my press conferences? [Laughter] 
Please don't encourage him. [Laughter]

Scope of Personal Retirement Accounts

    Q. I've heard this is going to be a volunteer personal account.
    The President. Yes, it is.
    Q. And also would a employee or a worker be able to go above and 
beyond what the Government is going to require if we decide to enter the 
program?
    The President. Yes, interesting question. You can through an IRA, 
for example. I can't answer that as--what he's saying is, is that if he 
has a personal account, can he contribute more beyond that which is

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being contributed through a part of his payroll taxes. I would think so, 
yes, but I'm not sure. I do know, however, that you can complement a 
personal retirement account through the Social Security system with an 
IRA, which helps to achieve the same objective, basically setting up a 
personal account.
    Thank you.
    Yes, sir--yes, ma'am.
    Q. First of all, I'd like to say that I'm a volunteer, one of your 
very loyal and dedicated volunteers in Plant City.
    The President. Well, thank you.
    Q. And I'm very happy to have you as the President.
    The President. Thank you.
    Q. Thank you.
    The President. Okay, okay, wait a minute. Thank you very much. I 
appreciate you saying that. Now, having said that, however--[laughter].

Disability Benefits

    Q. I do have a question. I'm on Social Security.
    The President. Right.
    Q. And I'm disabled, and I just wondered if there's going to be an 
intensified program into some of the disability benefits that they have 
now.
    The President. No.
    Q. Okay. [Laughter] Whatever program that you put out for Social 
Security, I'm fully behind it. You have my support.
    The President. Thank you, ma'am. I appreciate that. Yes, ma'am. Her 
question was--see, there is a Social Security benefit as a part of--
there is a disability benefit as a part of Social Security. It won't 
change. We're talking about the retirement aspect of Social Security.
    Yes, ma'am.

Youth and Social Security

    Q. Will it help me when I grow up? [Laughter]
    The President. That's a loaded question. [Laughter] Yes. It's--
that's the fundamental reason we're here, is that the system isn't going 
to be worth a darn unless we do something about it now. Thank you for 
asking that question.
    Yes, ma'am.

Former Gov. Robert Martinez of Florida

    Q. President Bush, welcome to Tampa. We're so happy you're back.
    The President. Nice to be back, thank you. Good to see my friend, 
the former mayor, Martinez, here.
    Q. Yes, we're so excited about Senator Martinez.
    The President. The other Martinez--I'm talking about----
    Q. Oh, I'm sorry. [Laughter] My bad.
    The President. Former Governor Martinez.

Flexible Spending Accounts/Management of Personal Retirement Accounts

    Q. Can I make a suggestion, as well as ask a question?
    The President. You can do anything you want now that you got the 
mike. [Laughter]
    Q. Well, I think you'll like this. It's a simple suggestion. 
Regarding the flexible spending account, my suggestion is to encourage 
Congress to quickly get rid of the ``use it or lose it'' law, which will 
also supplement the help with Social Security. And then, my question is, 
for the three or four options that will be available, will those options 
be federally run options? Or will they be from, like, commercial 
providers, say, like Fidelity Investments?
    The President. No, no, that's a great question. They'll be from 
providers. We don't want the Federal Government making stocks and bond 
decisions. They'll be private--private sector, people who get paid to do 
this. And the fees, by the way, will be--we'll make sure that you don't 
get gouged. I mean, obviously, what we want is people's money going into 
their personal account, not going into big fee structures. And so there 
will be a--it will be regulated to that extent. In other words, there 
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a certain sense of regulation; you can only invest in certain kinds of 
stocks and bonds to be--and the funds will be managed by people whose 
job it is to manage them, outside of the Government.
    Let's see here--yes, sir.

Contributions to Personal Retirement Accounts

    Q. Thank you, sir. I'm 19.
    The President. Yes.
    Q. And I want to invest as much money as I possibly can in the 
market because I feel I can make a lot better return on my rate.
    The President. Okay.
    Q. What is the--how much can we put in? What's the most we can put 
in to these private accounts?
    The President. How much do you make?
    Q. Well, I'm a student.
    The President. Guess. [Laughter] Go ahead, guess how much you're 
going to make. First of all, let's just assume you make $50,000 your 
first year. Over time, when this is phased in, so we can afford it, 
you'll be able to put 2,000 a year into your personal account from the 
payroll taxes. In other words, there will be a 4 percent cap on what you 
can put in. And if you make more money, you can put more money in.
    But you can also--by the way, to answer this man's question, you can 
set up another savings account. You can set up your own IRA. And there's 
all kinds of options for the IRA to do that.
    I like your attitude, man. Good luck. Are those your buddies next to 
you? Just met them. Okay. [Laughter] Would you recommend I call on them? 
All right, fine.
    Q. Which one?
    The President. Yes, sir. Either one--both.

Financial Literacy

    Q. Hi, I'm a high school student. I'm just wondering is there 
anything I can do to prepare for this new Social Security reform when I 
grow up?
    The President. Yes, it is. That's a good question. You know, one of 
the issues is financial literacy, is to pay attention to what it means, 
how stocks and bonds work, a compounding rate of interest. That's a very 
good question. A lot of people, when you say the interest grows at a 
certain--over time at a certain rate, people are not really sure what 
we're talking about. And I think the idea of becoming more literate in 
financial matters is a smart idea.
    I also--the fact that you're here and paying attention to the 
issue--this is a political issue. This is an issue that is going to 
require Congress moving on. And sometimes it requires the people 
expressing their desires to get Congress moving on the issue.
    And I want to thank you for coming and paying attention. I'm not so 
sure when I was your age I would have showed up and hear some old guy 
talking about--[laughter]--talking about an issue like that.
    Yes, sir.

Political Involvement/Investments in Personal Retirement Accounts

    Q. Thank you, Mr. President. Firstly, I'd like to say something that 
just--my generation doesn't believe that it will be there in its current 
form. I strongly believe that. I don't believe the system will be there 
for me. I'm 28 years old.
    The President. Well, there's one thing on that. That's what's 
changing the debate. That's what gives me confidence that people who 
are--have been elected can stand up and be rewarded for taking on the 
issue, not punished, because there are thousands of people like him who 
say, ``I don't think I'm ever going to see anything, and what are you 
going to do about it?''--particularly once our seniors are convinced 
nothing is going to change. And that is a very important point.
    Go ahead.
    Q. My question is, first of all, how do you prevent agendas from 
getting into the investment choices that we'll have? And two, what can I 
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    The President. Well, I appreciate that. You can--well, you can start 
by writing your Senators. One of them is sitting right here. I know he 
agrees with what we're doing. [Laughter] He's in good shape. [Laughter] 
Well, I'm not picking on anybody. Just--there's two of them, and here's 
one. You can just verbalize with one.
    So, it's a very interesting question, what can you do to stop 
agendas? I'm not exactly--I'll try to read what you mean in that 
question. It also--it kind of teams up with this woman's question here 
about, will Government be kind of getting people to make certain kinds 
of investments? And the answer is no. Government's job is to make sure 
that the risk portfolio--in other words, the mix of investments--is 
suited to getting a good return at lower risk. But Government's job is 
not to try to steer you to one industry or another. We don't want 
Government making investment decisions on behalf of the American people. 
We want American people with good advisers making investment decisions.
    And that's a good question. The Government's role is to set the 
guidelines. In other words, there will be--and we do this. The thrift 
savings account--if anybody works for the Federal Government, is an 
investor in the thrift savings account, you know what I mean. There's a 
series of five different programs that you can choose from that have 
been, obviously, carefully screened, and it combines a mix of stocks and 
bonds so that, like a 401(k), you can--higher risk portfolio the younger 
you are, if you feel like it, and a lower risk portfolio with a lower 
rate of return the older you get. And there's--people are expert at 
managing this in the private sector.
    Listen, I can stand here all day long answering questions, but I'm 
not, because I've got to go back and have dinner with First Lady Laura 
Bush, and I can't wait.
    Thank you all for coming. God bless. Thanks for being here.

Note: The President spoke at 4:07 p.m. at the Tampa Convention Center. 
In his remarks, he referred to Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida; President Hamid 
Karzai of Afghanistan; President Viktor Yushchenko of Ukraine; President 
Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) of the Palestinian Authority; former President 
Saddam Hussein of Iraq; and Janet Norwood, mother of Sgt. Byron Norwood, 
USMC, who was killed in Iraq on November 13, 2004, and Iraqi citizen and 
political activist Safia Taleb al-Suhail, both of whom were guests of 
the First Lady at the President's State of the Union Address on February 
2.