[Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: George W. Bush (2004, Book III)]
[October 20, 2004]
[Pages 2620-2630]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]



Remarks in a Discussion in Eau Claire, Wisconsin
October 20, 2004

    The President. Thank you all. Please be seated. Listen, thanks for 
coming today. It's good to be back here in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. We're 
getting closer and closer to voting time. I'm here to ask for your help. 
I saw--somebody has been helping--I saw a lot of signs up coming in. I 
want to thank you for putting up the signs. I know some of you are 
making phone calls, reminding your fellow citizen to go to the polls. I 
need your help. And with your help, we will carry Wisconsin and win a 
great victory in November.
    So today I'm here to talk about reasons why I think your fellow 
citizens ought to put me in office for 4 more years. We're going to talk 
about some issues, and we've got some fellow citizens up here to help 
talk about the plans and policies of my administration.
    Perhaps the most important reason for you to put me back in for 4 
more years is so that Laura will be the First 
Lady for 4 more years. She sends her best. She's doing great. She was a 
public school librarian when I met her for the second time. The first 
time I ever met her, we were at San Jacinto Junior High, seventh grade, 
in Midland, Texas. The second time I met her, she was a public school 
librarian. She said, ``Fine, I'll marry you, but you have to make me a 
promise.'' I said, ``What's that?'' She said, ``I never want to have to 
give a speech.'' [Laughter] Well, fortunately, she didn't hold me to 
that promise. [Laughter] She is giving a lot of speeches, and when she 
does, the American people see a warm, compassionate, strong First Lady.
    I'm proud of my runningmate, Dick Cheney. 
He's doing a great job.
    And I'm proud of my Cabinet Secretary for Health and Human Services; 
that would be former Governor Tommy Thompson. He's doing a great job. I like to tell the people of 
Wisconsin, you did a fine job of training him. He's a good man.
    I want to thank the Redetzkes for letting us come here today, 
Don and Diana. I'm 
proud you--these are some of the products they manufacture here. I said, 
``How is your business doing?'' He said, ``Just fine.'' He said, ``We've 
added 30 employees this year. We're thinking about adding more.'' 
There's an optimism around. Our policies are working. And I want to 
thank the

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Redetzkes for letting us come and visit this important plant.
    I want to thank Jack Voight, the State 
treasurer, for joining us today. Appreciate you being here, Mr. 
Treasurer. I want to thank Scott Walker from 
Milwaukee County. I'm proud Scott is here. I call him Scott W. I want to 
thank John Gard for joining us today. Speaker, 
where are you? Appreciate you, Speaker. Good to see you again. I've been 
in your State a lot, and he's been there all the time, for which I'm 
grateful.
    I want to thank very much Dale Schultz for 
being here. He is a good man. I know him well. He will make a great 
Member of the United States Congress. And finally, Tim Michels. Good to see you, Tim--and Barbara. I know something about Barbaras. Thank you all for 
coming.
    We've been through some challenges together in this country, really 
have been. And when you're out gathering up the vote, remind people 
about what this economy has been through. Six months prior to my arrival 
in Washington, the stock market was in serious decline, and that 
foretold a recession. And then we had some corporate scandals, and we 
passed tough laws, and we made it abundantly clear to people in this 
country that we will not tolerate dishonesty in the boardrooms of 
America. We expect citizens to be responsible citizens.
    And then we got attacked. We got attacked. And those attacks hurt 
us; they really did. And we responded to those attacks with good policy. 
We cut the taxes, and by cutting the taxes people had more money to 
spend and more money to invest. When you increase consumption and 
increase investment, the economy tends to grow. The recession we had was 
one of the shallowest in American history.
    Our economy has been growing at rates as fast as any in nearly 20 
years. We've added 1.9 million new jobs since August of 2003. The 
unemployment rate is at 5.4 percent. That's the national unemployment 
rate--lower than the average of the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. And your 
unemployment rate in Wisconsin is 4.8 percent. Think about that. When 
people go to the polls, I want them to remember the people of this State 
are working because of good policy. Farm income is up. Homeownership 
rates are at an alltime high. We're moving forward. We've overcome these 
challenges, and we're not going to go back to the days of tax and spend.
    A good economic policy means good farm policy. I told the people 
when I was running, I understand that we've got to have good 
agricultural policy in this country. And the agricultural sector of our 
country is doing fine, is doing well. Income is up. As a matter of fact, 
farm income is at a record high under my administration.
    Audience member. [Inaudible]
    The President. We're going to talk to some farmers up here, but 
dairy farm income is up. We're selling more and more of Wisconsin crops 
overseas. See, to make sure this economy continues to grow, we've got to 
continue to open up markets for U.S. products. It's easy to say we're 
going to shut down markets, but shutting down markets will hurt you. 
See, when you've got more products to choose from as a consumer, you're 
likely to get that which you want at a better price and higher quality. 
That's how the market works. So shutting down our markets, which would 
hurt you--my policy is let's open up everybody else's markets. We can 
compete with anybody, anytime, anywhere, so long as the playing field is 
level.
    And farm exports are at an alltime high. We want to be using 
Wisconsin farm products to feed the world. If you're good at something, 
let's promote it, and we're really good at growing corn and soybeans.
    I signed a good farm bill which is helping the agricultural sector, 
and part of the farm bill is the conservation title, which encourages 
farmers and landowners to set aside land for wildlife restoration, for 
land protection. We're going to talk about somebody who knows what he's 
talking about when it comes to good conservation policy.

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I tell everybody, ``If you own the land, every day is Earth Day.'' If 
you make a living off the land, the best person to look after the land 
is the person making a living off of it, not some bureaucrat in 
Washington, DC.
    Keeping jobs here means good energy policy. See, we've got to become 
less dependent on foreign sources of energy if we expect to keep this 
economy growing. And I submitted a plan to the United States Congress 2 
years ago, and it's stuck, of course, because of politics. But it's a 
plan that encourages conservation. It's a plan that uses our 
technologies to be able to burn coal cleanly. It says we can explore for 
natural gas in environmentally friendly ways. But it also recognizes the 
valuable contribution that ethanol and biodiesel make to the energy mix 
here in America. Congress needs to pass that plan. We've got to become 
less dependent on foreign sources of energy.
    To make sure jobs stay here, we've got to have less regulations on 
the job creators. To make sure jobs stay here, we've got to do something 
about these lawsuits that are making it hard for the small businesses 
all across our country. You see, these lawsuits make it hard for a small 
business to expand. They're tending to having to fight these lawsuits 
off and not hiring people.
    To keep jobs here, we've got to be wise about how we spend your 
money and keep your taxes low. Taxes are an issue. I'm running against a 
fellow who's promised $2.2 trillion in 
programs that cost--that's how much they cost the Government, 2.2 
trillion. That's with a ``T.'' That's a lot even for a Senator from 
Massachusetts. So they asked him how he was going to pay for it. He 
said, oh, he's just going to tax the rich, going to raise the top two 
brackets. Well, the only problem with that is it raises about 600 
billion or 800 billion, depending on whose numbers you look at. In 
either case, it's far short of 2.2 trillion, so there's a gap. There's a 
gap between what he promised and how he's going to pay for it. Guess who 
usually fills that gap? Yes, you do. You understand how tax policy 
works.
    Let me tell you what else is wrong with raising the top two 
brackets. We're going to talk to some small-business owners. Most small 
businesses are Subchapter S corporations, limited liability corps. They 
pay tax at the individual income-tax rate. So you hear him talking about 
running up the taxes, taxing the rich--they're taxing the job creators.
    And the third thing wrong with it, the rich hire lawyers and 
accountants for a reason: to slide the tab and stick you with it. We're 
not going to let him tax you; we're going to 
win Wisconsin and win on November the 2d.
    Audience members. Four more years! Four more years! Four more years!
    The President. Thank you. Before we get to our guests here, I want 
to talk about a couple of other issues. We're in a changing world. Times 
are changing. And in a changing world, it helps to promote an ownership 
society in America to bring stability into people's lives. And I told 
you, homeownership rates are at an alltime high. We've got policies to 
continue to expand that. I can't tell you how it warms my heart to know 
more and more Americans from all walks of life are opening up the door 
where they live, saying, ``Welcome to my home. Welcome to my piece of 
property.''
    In order to make sure we're hopeful, we've got to promote ownership 
when it comes to health care accounts. See, health care is an issue in 
this campaign too. There is a fundamental divide.
    My opponent is proposing bigger Government 
health care. Now, he looked in the TV cameras the other night and said 
no Government was involved. I could barely contain myself. [Laughter] I 
looked at the fine print of his plan. Eight out of ten get signed up to 
a Government health care plan. See, if you raise the Medicaid limits to 
300 percent, it provides incentives for small-business owners to stop 
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insurance for their employees because the Government will pay for it. 
And so you're shifting people from the private sector to the public 
policy. And Government health care programs do not work. They may sound 
good, but they have failed in every country that has tried them. The 
quality of health care will decline. There will be rationing. If you end 
up as a line item in the Government budget, you can rest assured there 
will be Government controls over your health care.
    I have a different point of view. We will take care of those who 
cannot help themselves through community and rural health centers. Those 
will be places where the poor and the indigent can get primary and 
preventative care. That's a good use of your taxpayers' money. It's best 
that people get care there and not in the emergency rooms of local 
hospitals. We will make sure that the program for children of low-income 
families is fully subscribed. That makes sense.
    But to make sure health care is affordable, we ought to allow small 
businesses to pool risk, to join together so they can buy insurance at 
the same discounts that big businesses get to do.
    To make sure health care is affordable, we will continue to expand 
health savings accounts, which will enable somebody to pay a low-
premium, high-deductible major medical liability policy, coupled with a 
tax-free savings. These health care plans will reduce the cost of health 
care for the average citizen or the small business. They will be a 
health care plan in which the decisionmaker is the owner of the health 
care plan. They're a health care plan that you own, you control, and you 
can take with you from job to job throughout your entire life. This is a 
way to make sure health care is more affordable.
    Also to make sure health care is more available and affordable, 
we've got to do something about the junk lawsuits that are running up 
the cost of medicine. See, I looked at the cost to the Federal 
Government on these lawsuits. Lawsuits cause doctors to have to practice 
defensive medicine. In other words, they're practicing medicine in 
anticipation of getting sued because there's so many suits, and that 
runs up the cost of health care. And the lawsuits run up the cost of 
premiums for docs, which run good docs out of business. I can't tell you 
the number of ob-gyns I've met who are anxious and upset by the fact 
that they, many times, cannot practice. And then you can imagine, if the 
ob-gyn can't practice, what it does to many pregnant women. It is 
stressful. It is not right. These lawsuits are a damage to our economy 
and to our society and to health care. You cannot be pro-doctor, pro-
patient, and pro-personal-injury-lawyer at the same time. You have to 
choose. You have to choose. My opponent made 
his choice, and he put a personal injury lawyer 
on the ticket. I made my choice. I'm for medical liability reform--now.
    Let me talk about one other form of ownership, and that's Social 
Security. See, the job of a President is to solve problems, not to pass 
them on to future Presidents or future generations. At least that's what 
I think it is. I think you come to Washington, DC--if you see a problem, 
you solve it as best as you can. Now, others have chosen a different 
attitude. They just say, ``We'll pass it on and let somebody else take 
care of it.'' We have a problem with Social Security.
    Now, I remember the 2000 campaign, particularly here in Wisconsin, 
when they told the seniors, ``If old George W. gets in, you're not going 
to get your check.'' You might remember that aspect of the 2000 
campaign. [Laughter] Well, I want you to remind your friends and 
neighbors of all political parties, George W. got in, and our seniors 
got their checks. And our seniors will continue to get their checks. The 
seniors have nothing to worry about when it comes to the Social Security 
check. Neither do baby boomers like me.

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    But our children and our grandchildren have got a problem because of 
the nature of the Social Security system. There will be more recipients 
than payers. More baby boomers like me retire with not enough people 
putting money into the system, and therefore, the system is going to be 
in trouble for our children and our grandchildren.
    In order to make sure our children and grandchildren have got a 
retirement system that works when they need it, we ought to allow 
younger workers to set aside some of their own payroll taxes in a 
personal savings account they call their own, a personal savings account 
that will earn a better rate of return than the current Social Security 
trust, a personal savings account that the Federal Government can never 
take away.
    My opponent says he's for the status quo 
in Social Security. I think it--I don't think that's leadership. We have 
a problem. In a new term, I'm going to bring Republicans and Democrats 
together and solve the problem.
    In times of change, some things do not change--now, while I'm here, 
I got something else I want to say, and then I want to talk to our 
guests here. [Laughter] The values we try to live by don't change, 
courage and compassion, reverence and integrity. We stand for a culture 
of life in which every person matters and every being counts. [Applause] 
Thank you all. We stand for marriage and family, which are the 
foundations of our society. We stand for judges who know the difference 
between personal opinion and the strict interpretation of the law. Go 
ahead and sit down.
    And we stand for the second amendment to the United States 
Constitution, which gives every American individual the right to bear 
arms. And today I'm proud that Wayne LaPierre 
and Chris Cox from the National Rifle 
Association are with us. I appreciate you all coming. They have endorsed 
my candidacy for President of the United States, for which I'm grateful. 
I also am grateful for their gun safety programs as well as their 
understanding that the best way to protect the American people is to 
firmly prosecute those who commit crimes with guns, to hold them to 
account, and bring them to justice.
    With us today is Bill Bruins. Bill, thank 
you for coming. What do you do to make a living? Or do you make a 
living? [Laughter]
    Bill Bruins. You'd have to check with my 
bookkeeper, my wife.
    The President. That's true. [Laughter]

[At this point, Mr. Bruins made brief remarks.]

    The President. By the way, they set up their farm as a limited 
liability corporation, which means, under Senator Kerry's plan, he's going to get a tax 
increase. See, he's part of the--when they raise those top two brackets, 
if you've got income over $200,000 a year and you're a limited liability 
corp or a Subchapter S corp, you're taxed. I don't think it makes any 
sense to be taxing our farmers right now, as they're getting ready to 
make some money. I'd rather have him have the money so he can expand his 
farm.
    How are you doing? Are you making a living?
    Mr. Bruins. Yes, we are. It's been a good 
year. It's been a good year. Milk prices are strong. Beef prices are up. 
And it's just really exciting, the possibilities that we're looking at, 
given the climate that you've created here in Wisconsin.
    The President. Well, thanks. We met back there. He asked about supporting the MILC Program. I do. I'm for 
the extension of the MILC Program, which would help the dairy farmers 
here in Wisconsin.
    Mr. Bruins. Absolutely. That little program 
that you have endorsed and have endorsed extending has already put $413 
million in the pockets of dairy farmers in the State of Wisconsin.
    The President. That's good, yes. Glad to help out. What else are you 
concerned about? I can tell you what you're concerned

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about because you told me, but why don't you tell the people to make it 
look--[laughter].
    Mr. Bruins. Well, because of your farm bill 
and the conservation provisions and the countercyclical payments that 
are provided with it, because of your lowering the taxes, and because of 
your continued commitment to making agriculture better, you have made a 
positive difference on agriculture in the State of Wisconsin. And as 
president of Wisconsin Farm Bureau, the largest farm organization in the 
State, I am endorsing you for a second term as President of the United 
States.
    The President. Thank you very much. I accept. Thank you, I 
appreciate that. Thank you all. I was hoping that would come. [Laughter] 
I'm proud to get the Farm Bureau endorsement. It means a lot. It really 
does. In a State where it's heavily agricultural, that's a big 
endorsement to get, and I'm proud to receive it. Thank you, sir.
    Doug Mueller is with us. Welcome. And what 
do you do to make a living?
     Doug Mueller. I milk cows twice a day. We 
have a family corporation.
    The President. Hopefully not by hand. [Laughter]
     Mr. Mueller. No, sir, not anymore.
    The President. I would say there's some new technology that's come 
along. [Laughter]
    Mr. Mueller. And I'm not old enough that I 
ever milked cows by hand when I was younger, either.
    The President. You boys have got big hands, though, I'll tell you. 
[Laughter] What's on your mind? Tell me--tell the folks what's on your 
mind about----
    Mr. Mueller. Well, I think the energy 
policy is one thing that really can be a benefit to agriculture and the 
entire economy. The use of more--more use of ethanol, biodiesel I think 
is great for farmers all over the country. And the use of the ethanol, 
cleaner emissions and everything, too, has got to be positive for the 
country.
    The President. Yes, it is. See, it's interesting. What's happening 
is that we're spending money on research and development so that we can 
diversify away from old usage, old habits. We've got to get away from 
dependency upon crude oil coming in from overseas. And one way to do so 
is to better use ethanol and biodiesel. I mean, can you imagine someday 
a President sitting in the Oval Office, they come in and say, ``On 
crops, we've got a great corn crop,'' and the first reaction is, ``We're 
less dependent on foreign sources of energy.'' And so we're spending a 
lot of money on research and development to better use crops--soybeans, 
like biodiesel, as well as one of--in the State of the Union Address I 
talked about spending money to research--to develop a hydrogen-powered 
automobile.
    I mean, technology is going to enable us to evolve away from our 
current energy usage. And one way to do so is through, as Doug mentioned, through the use of agricultural products. And 
there's more to learn, and there's more research to be done. And that's 
what we're promoting. But right now we're using ethanol in significant 
quantities, and it's helping our farmers.
    What else?
    Mr. Mueller. Thank you. And the death tax 
is an issue that is heavily on farmer and small-business owners' minds.

[Mr. Mueller made further remarks.]

    The President. Let me talk about that right quick. It's an issue in 
this campaign. I suggested that the Members of the United States Senate 
vote to repeal the death tax forever. Of course, I couldn't get my 
opponent's vote. [Laughter] We got quite a few 
votes. As a matter of fact, we put the death tax on its way to 
extinction. The problem is it pops back up in 2011, which is going to 
make some interesting estate planning decisions at that point in time.
    We need to get rid of the death tax totally. It's important for our 
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owners and our farmers and ranchers to get rid of the death tax forever, 
so a person can pass their farm on from one generation to the next 
without losing the farm. People talk about--if you got your assets tied 
up in land and inventory, in his case, cows and equipment, and you have 
to pay high death taxes, there's nothing to liquidate except for the 
farm itself, and that's unfair. I believe a person shouldn't be taxed 
twice, once during life and once after life. And I believe a person 
ought to be able to pass their assets on to whomever they want to pass 
it on to.
    Thank you, Doug.
    Mr. Mueller. Thank you.
    The President. Lee Christenson is with 
us.
    Audience member. [Inaudible]
    The President. You got a fan base out there. [Laughter] I first got 
to know him because he tied some bass 
fishing flies for me. The flies did better than the fisherman. I was 
fishing, but I wasn't catching. [Laughter] He's got an interesting story 
to tell when it comes to preserving land.
    Lee Christenson. I have a small family 
farm that I live on in rural Eleva, Wisconsin, just south of Eau Claire, 
and I took it over in 1994 from my parents. And I've converted that farm 
from a dairy farm into kind of a wildlife preserve, where I've utilized 
a lot of the Government programs that you've helped us get going. The 
CRP program is just the greatest program in the world.
    The President. Conservation Reserve Program.
    Mr. Christenson. Yes, Conservation 
Reserve Program. And that program allows us to take the real highly 
erodible land, the steep lands that are marginal farmlands, and preserve 
them by putting them into trees, into prairie plantings, and into solid 
vegetative cover that keeps our streams a lot cleaner. And I've been 
able to get a WHIP, which is the Wildlife Habitat Improvement grant; 
EQUIP, which is the Environmental Quality Incentive Program grant 
through the Government; all sorts of assistance, technical assistance 
from the Fish and Wildlife Service. In fact, on our farm, we've taken 
the ditches, plugged the ditches, pulled all the tiles out of the prior 
converted farm fields that historically were wetlands at one time, and 
now we've created, just on our little farm, over 15 acres of wetlands.
    So, you know, that's great that you do that, and we're able to turn 
the tides and create wetlands, instead of having lost them in the past.
    The President. Yes, see, one of the--we used to have a policy of no 
new net loss--no net loss. How could you have a new net loss--no net 
loss of wetlands. I've now changed that policy to an increase in the 
number of wetlands all across the country to 3 million acres. Here's 
part of the way we're able to do so.

[Mr. Christenson made further remarks.]

    The President. See, good environmental policy doesn't mean you have 
to be a lawyer in Washington, DC. Good environmental policy brings 
conservation groups together, brings hunting and fishing groups 
together, brings local community together, brings local environments 
into play, brings farmers into play. It's a collaborative effort, so we 
all work together to achieve national goals such as better air, cleaner 
water, and more wildlife preserve areas. And we're doing that. We're 
making very solid progress with a commonsense way of approaching 
environmental issues.

[Mr. Christenson made further remarks.]

    The President. All right, I want to talk about one other thing. 
Thank you, sir. He doesn't hunt and fish all 
the time. You actually have a business.
    Mr. Christenson. Yes, I forgot about 
that. [Laughter]
    The President. What do you do?
    Mr. Christenson. I have fun on the farm 
making wetlands and habitat and all that stuff, but I have to pay the 
bills. So I

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have a small Subchapter S corporation with about 50 employees, and we 
collect deer hides all across the United States and export them to 
China. So we, you know, we're bringing some money back to the United 
States. And with these great tax breaks that we've had in the last few 
years, we've been able to buy more semis, more forklifts. We've put a 
lot of good people to work. We've hired more people. And the interest 
rates--my gosh, just look at what the interest rates have been the last 
few years. They've really, really helped us by being able to expand our 
credit lines and do a lot of beneficial things for business.
    The President. See, the tax policy we passed, I want you to remember 
what it was, which my opponent voted against 
every aspect of the tax policy. We raised the child credit to help 
people's families. We reduced the marriage penalty. We believe we ought 
to encourage marriage, not discourage marriage through the Tax Code.
    We said, ``If you pay tax, you ought to get relief,'' instead of 
trying to pick and choose winners in the Tax Code. But we also provided 
incentives for small businesses to invest. If you invest as a small 
business, there is a--there's a benefit. You heard him say he bought forklifts. Good tax policy encourages 
certain behavior, and one of the behaviors we're trying to encourage is 
for people to invest more and to spend money, to spend capital, because 
when he buys a forklift, somebody has got to make the forklift. When 
somebody is making the forklift, it means somebody is going to get work. 
That's how the economy works. It ripples throughout the economy.
    He says he's a Subchapter S corporation. 
He's adding jobs. It is bad policy to tax the job creators. Do you 
realize 70 percent of new jobs in America are created by small 
businesses just like this guy's? And my opponent, in order to pay for his promises, is, at the minimum, 
going to run up the taxes on about 900,000 Subchapter S and LLC 
corporations, going to tax the job creators. That is lousy economic 
policy.
    Let me talk about one other aspect of this campaign in your life, 
and that is how to make sure we keep America secure. The most solemn 
responsibility of the American President is to protect the American 
people. If we show uncertainty or weakness in this decade, this world of 
ours will drift toward tragedy. That's not going to happen on my watch.
    I understand the world in which we live. This is an important issue 
in this campaign. Let me tell you some of the lessons I have learned 
about the post-September the 11th world in which we live. The first 
lesson is, we face an enemy that is ruthless and has no conscience. They 
will kill just like that, whether it be in airplanes on the World Trade 
Center or in a schoolhouse in the Caucasus region of the world. That's 
what they'll do, and therefore, you cannot negotiate with these people. 
You cannot hope for the best with these people. You can't say, ``Well, 
oh, gosh, we'll change the way we conduct foreign policy and hope they 
change their ways.'' The only way to deal with them is to find them and 
bring them to justice before they hurt us again.
    Secondly, this is a different kind of war than we're used to, and 
therefore, it's important to think differently about how to protect the 
American people. One way to do so is to make it very clear that if a 
country harbors a terrorist, they're just as guilty as the terrorist. 
And when the President says something, it is important that the 
President speak clearly, so everybody understands, and mean what he 
says.
    And I meant what I said to the Taliban in Afghanistan. See, they 
were the ones harboring Al Qaida. Thousands of people were trained 
there. It's kind of the classic case of the host and the parasite--the 
Al Qaida was the parasite, and the host was becoming weaker and weaker 
and--in the sense that Al Qaida had free will, doing what they wanted to 
do inside the country. There was no restrictions whatsoever. And

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they ignored our demands until the Taliban no longer is in power. We 
took them out of power, thanks to a great United States military.
    I want the youngsters here to understand what has taken place. It's 
a phenomenal moment in history, phenomenal. See, it wasn't all that long 
ago--3\1/2\ years ago is hardly anything in the march of history--that 
the people in Afghanistan were living under a brutal reign of people 
whose vision is so dark and dim that it's hard for Americans to 
comprehend. And when you hear me talk about the ideologues of hate, I'm 
talking about the Taliban and the people like Al Qaida. Young girls were 
not allowed to go to school. See, that's their vision of the world. And 
if their moms didn't toe the line, they were taken into the public 
square and whipped, in some cases killed in the sports stadium. These 
people were grim.
    But because we acted in our own self-interest, because we acted to 
uphold doctrine and make this world a safer place and to protect the 
American people, millions of Afghan citizens went to the polls to vote 
for a President of their country. The first voter was a 19-year-old 
woman at the polls. It's amazing. Because we 
acted in our self-interest, the poor people living in that country have 
been liberated from the clutches. They no longer live in darkness. They 
live in light, because freedom is on the march.
    And that's important for our long-term security. It's important 
because free societies are peaceful societies. A free society will 
become an ally in the war on terror. A free society will set a 
incredibly hopeful example for others who long for freedom.
    Thirdly, when we see a threat, we've got to deal with it. You know, 
we used to think oceans could protect us. We'd see a threat overseas, 
and if we didn't deal with it, it could be okay because it wouldn't come 
home to hurt us. That all changed on September the 11th.
    I saw a threat with Saddam Hussein. I saw 
a threat because he was a sworn enemy of the United States. I saw a 
threat because we had been at war with him. I saw a threat because he 
invaded his neighborhood. I saw a threat because he was shooting 
missiles at our airplanes who were trying to enforce the world's 
sanctions. I saw a threat--he paid suicide bombers; he harbored Abu 
Nidal and Abu Abbas. Terrorist Zarqawi 
was in and out of his country. I saw a threat because he had used 
weapons of mass destruction. Saddam Hussein was a threat.
    The Congress looked at the same intelligence I looked at and 
concluded he was a threat. My opponent looked 
at the very same intelligence, the very same data, and concluded that 
Saddam Hussein was a threat and voted to 
authorize his removal. Now, before the President ever commits troops 
into harm's way--listen, I understand the consequences. To commit our 
troops is the last option for me. To put somebody in harm's way is the 
very last choice, not the first, second, or third. It is the last. And 
so I went to the United Nations in hopes that diplomacy would solve the 
threat. And as--they passed a resolution 15 to nothing, and Saddam 
Hussein just ignored it, just like he had done 16 different resolutions.
    You know, we didn't find the stockpiles we thought we found--that we 
thought we would find, that everybody thought we'd find. But we did find 
that he had the capability to restart a 
weapons programs--he still hated us--that he was using the Oil for Food 
Programme to game the system, to get the world to look the other way, to 
get rid of the sanctions so he could restart his programs. The biggest 
danger we face is a terrorist network ending up with weapons of mass 
destruction. Knowing what I know today, I would have made the same 
decision. [Applause] Thank you.
    My opponent was recently interviewed, and 
he said September the 11th, in quotes, his words, ``did not change me 
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all.'' See, and it's reflected in his attitude and his policies. He 
says, ``Well, this is just a intelligence and law enforcement matter.'' 
No, this is a matter that requires all the assets of the United States 
of America in order to protect you.
    He said that Iraq is a ``diversion'' from 
the war on terror. That's a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature 
of the world in which we live, and it's a dangerous misunderstanding. 
Mr. Zarqawi, who is fighting us in 
Iraq, was in Afghanistan, in terror training camps. He then got run out 
of Afghanistan because of us and moved to Iraq. He then was working with 
a poisons factory in northern Iraq. And now we've got him on the run 
inside of Iraq, and he's fighting us. And he says this is a diversion? 
Does he think if we weren't in Iraq that Mr. Zarqawi would become a 
peaceful citizen of the world? [Laughter] He's a dangerous man. He hates 
what we stand for. He intends to inflict harm. It is best we defeat 
Zarqawi in Iraq so we do not have to face him here at home.
    You cannot win a war when you don't believe we're fighting one, and 
that's my opponent. The most solemn duty of 
the American President is to protect the American people. If we show 
uncertainty or weakness in this decade, the world will drift toward 
tragedy. It's not going to happen on my watch.
    The third lesson--fourth lesson is when we put somebody in harm's 
way, they deserve the full support of our Government. And that's why I 
went to the United States Congress and asked for $87 billion of very 
important funding, funding to support our troops in combat. And we 
received great support, strong bipartisan support. I want you to tell 
your friends and neighbors of this startling statistic. Of the 100 
Members of the United States Senate, only 4 voted to authorize the use 
of force and then did not vote for the funding to support the troops in 
combat, 2 of whom are my opponent and his 
runningmate.
    Audience members. Boo-o-o!
    The President. They asked him, they said, 
``How did you make that vote?'' He said, ``Well, I actually did vote for 
the $87 billion, right before I voted against it.'' It may be the most 
famous quote of the 2004 campaign. They then kept pressing him and 
pressing him, and he finally said, ``The whole thing is a complicated 
matter.'' There is nothing complicated about supporting the men and 
women who wear the United States uniform in harm's way. [Applause] Thank 
you all.
    I want to thank the family members of our military who are here. I 
want to thank the veterans who are here who have set such a great 
example for those who wear the uniform.
    I want to share one more thing with you that I think is important 
for you to know about me. I believe in the power of liberty to transform 
societies. Let me tell you what I mean by that. Perhaps an example is 
the best way to make my point. Laura and I have a 
great friend in Prime Minister Koizumi of 
Japan. We like him. He's a fun guy to be around. He's a good friend. I 
saw him in New York at the United Nations in early September. I said, 
``You know, I'm talking about you when I get out there on the campaign 
trail. I hope you don't mind.'' He said, ``Fine, go ahead and talk about 
me.'' I didn't ask him permission to tell you what I'm about to tell 
you, and that is, Elvis is his favorite singer--truthfully--[laughter]--
and ``High Noon'' is his favorite movie. [Laughter]
    Anyway, so, you know, it doesn't sound that--must not sound--to some 
it probably doesn't sound that profound that the Prime Minister of 
Japan and I are friends. But remember this 
part of history: 60 years ago, they were the sworn enemy of the United 
States of America. We were at war with the Japanese. And a lot of 
relatives of yours, I'm confident, fought in that war. My dad did, and other dads and granddads did as well. 
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    Yet, after we won the war, President Harry S. Truman believed in the 
power of liberty to transform an enemy into an ally. That's what he 
believed. So did a lot of other Americans. A lot of other Americans 
didn't agree with him, though. Why help the enemy? And the enemy 
couldn't become a democracy. You know, there was a lot of excuses and a 
lot of pessimism about the helping the Japanese. But fortunately, they 
stuck to it. Japan became a democracy. And today I sit down at the table 
with Prime Minister Koizumi, talking about 
how to keep the peace we all want, talking about keeping the peace.
    Someday, an American President will be sitting down with the duly 
elected leader from Iraq, talking about the peace in the greater Middle 
East, and our children and our grandchildren will be better off for it.
    I believe people in the Middle East want to live in freedom. That's 
what I believe. The people of Afghanistan showed what freedom can mean. 
Do you realize women stood in line for hours waiting to vote, after 
having lived in a society where they had no rights. And they stood in 
line to vote, even though the Taliban were threatening them with death 
and destruction. People want to be free. I believe women in the greater 
Middle East want to live in a free society. I believe moms and dads want 
to raise their children in a free and peaceful world. I believe all 
these things because freedom is not America's gift to the world; freedom 
is the Almighty God's gift to each man and woman in this world.
    It's the last time I'm going to be in Eau Claire before the 
election, but I do want to thank you for coming. And when I campaigned 
in your State in 2000, I said if you gave me a chance to serve, I would 
uphold the honor and the dignity of the office to which I had been 
elected. With your help, we will carry Wisconsin, and I will do so for 4 
more years.
    God bless. Thank you all for coming. Thank you for coming.

Note: The President spoke at 2:49 p.m. at J&D Manufacturing. In his 
remarks, he referred to Don and Diana Redetzke, founders, J&D 
Manufacturing; Milwaukee County Executive Scott K. Walker; John Gard, 
speaker, Wisconsin State Assembly; Dale Schultz, candidate in 
Wisconsin's Third Congressional District; Tim Michels, senatorial 
candidate in Wisconsin, and his wife, Barbara; Wayne LaPierre, Jr., 
executive vice president and chief executive officer, and Chris W. Cox, 
Institute for Legislative Action executive director, National Rifle 
Association; former President Saddam Hussein of Iraq; senior Al Qaida 
associate Abu Musab Al Zarqawi; and Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi of 
Japan.