[Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: George W. Bush (2004, Book I)]
[January 15, 2004]
[Pages 60-66]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]



Remarks to Faith-Based and Community Leaders in New Orleans, Louisiana
January 15, 2004

    Thank you all very much for your warm welcome. Reverend 
Brown, thank you for your hospitality, your 
gracious hospitality. It's not easy to host a President. [Laughter] It 
seems as if the entourages are quite large. So I want to thank you for 
accommodating me and this cast of characters that travels with me. 
[Laughter] I'm here to talk about something vital to the future of the 
country, and I appreciate you giving me a chance to share with you my 
dreams and aspirations for all our citizens.
    I'm really not worthy to stand here, when I think about the fact 
that not only Reverend Brown preaches here 
on a regular basis, but this is the very place where Martin Luther King 
stood as well some 42 years ago. It's from this pulpit that he preached. 
Today would have been his 75th birthday. It's important for our country 
to honor his life and what he stood for.

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    Dr. King understood that faith is power greater than all others. 
That's what he knew. It's an important lesson for us to remember here in 
America, that God's word can humble the mighty, can lift up the meek, 
and can bring comfort and strength to all who yearn for justice and 
freedom. Those of us who are involved with public policy must not fear 
that philosophy as we all work together to save lives.
    I'm at this church to talk about the importance of what we call a 
Faith-Based Initiative. Really what I'm here to say is that in the land 
of plenty, we must recognize there are still people who hurt. In the 
land of plenty, there are people who search for the light, who simply 
want a chance to succeed and realize their God-given talents. And those 
of us who have been blessed with the opportunity to help must play to 
the strength of our country in order to help save lives. The strength of 
America is found in the hearts and souls of our fellow citizens. This 
country must not fear the influence of faith in the future of this 
country. We must welcome faith in order to make America a better place.
    So Reverend Brown, thank you, and thank 
your wife, Mary, and your son, Benjie, for your hospitality. I appreciate so very much the 
Governor being here. The Governor 
not only was kind enough to meet me at the airport, but she was kind 
enough to ride from the airport to this church. We had a good discussion 
about the needs of Louisiana. She's not a shrinking violet when it comes 
to describing what she would like to see in terms of responsiveness. I 
appreciate that. I'm glad you brought Coach. [Laughter]
    I'm honored that Congressman David Vitter 
has traveled today with me. Thank you, Congressman, for coming. The 
mayor was at our roundtable discussion, which, 
by the way, happened to be at a square table, but--[laughter]--I 
appreciate working with the mayor.
    Traveling with me today from Washington, DC, is a longtime friend. 
He is the Acting Secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban 
Development. When the Senate gets 
together, he's going to be the Secretary of the Housing--of the 
Department of Housing and Urban Development, Alphonso Jackson. Thanks 
for coming, Alphonso. I appreciate you being here.
    Archbishop Alfred Hughes is with us 
today. Archbishop, thanks for coming. I'm honored you are here.
    I know this will embarrass him, but I've got to mention him. One of 
the people that influenced me a lot when I was the Governor of Texas, 
influenced me in terms of what faith-based programs can mean in people's 
lives, was Kirbyjon Caldwell. Kirbyjon 
is from Houston. He's the senior pastor of the Windsor Village United 
Methodist Church. He is a true social entrepreneur. He has used his 
position as a pastor to change lives and communities in significant 
ways, ways that government couldn't possibly do. Kirbyjon, thanks for 
coming. I appreciate you being here.
    I mentioned a roundtable discussion. We just had a lot of people 
from the community, people who have been helped, people who are helping, 
neighborhood healers here to share their stories. I want to thank all of 
them for coming to talk about the influence of faith and their capacity 
to help change lives. I appreciate the choir being here.
    Not only was I met by local dignitaries and elected officials when I 
landed at the airport, I was also met by Tenisha Stevens. Where is Tenisha? Tenisha, there you are. If you're 
wondering why I would mention Tenisha, she is a soldier in the army of 
compassion. She's a soul who is interested in listening to a universal 
call and is a tutor. She's taking time out of her life to work in the 
after-school programs right here in this church, Pastor. She is a 
mentor. She's willing to help save a life.
    That's the spirit of America, isn't it, when citizens who are 
willing to sacrifice time on behalf of saving a life. We need more 
mentors in our society. If you're a citizen

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in this community or any community around the country who want to know 
what you can do to help America, mentor a child; teach a child to read; 
love a child.
    Tenisha, I want to thank you for 
serving. You're such a good example for other people around the country. 
Thank you for being a soldier in the great army of compassion here in 
America.
    Many of the problems that are facing our society are problems of the 
heart. Addiction is the problem of a heart--of the heart. I know I've 
told this story before. I was a drinker. I quit drinking because I 
changed my heart. I guess I was a one-man faith-based program. 
[Laughter]
    Problems that face our society are oftentimes problems that require 
something greater than just a government program or a government 
counselor to solve. Intractable problems, problems that seem impossible 
to solve, can be solved. There is the miracle of salvation in our--that 
is real, that is tangible, that is available for all to see. Miracles 
are possible in our society, one person at a time.
    But it requires a willingness to understand the origin of miracle. 
Miracles happen as a result of the love of the Almighty, professed, by 
the way, taught, by the way, by religions from all walks of life, 
whether it be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu--people who have heard 
that universal call to love a neighbor just like you'd like to be loved 
yourself and then surround someone who hurts with love. Love is 
powerful. Love is soul-changing. Love doesn't happen because of 
government. Love happens because of the inspiration of something greater 
than government. That's what we're here to talk about, programs based 
upon faith.
    Right here in this church, there are faith-based programs. Any 
program emanating out of a church or a synagogue or a mosque is a faith-
based program. So when you hear some people talk about faith-based 
programs, those are programs that start as a result of a group of folks 
of faith deciding to do something about a problem. And the fundamental 
question in our society is, how does the Federal Government relate to 
programs of faith? ``The mighty check writer''--how does it relate when 
it writes checks to meet social needs with people who are solving our 
problems in spite of government? My attitude is, the Government should 
not fear faith-based programs. We ought to welcome faith-based programs, 
and we ought to fund faith-based programs.
    This church receives Federal funding for childcare. It must be 
comforting for a mom or a dad to drop off his or her child to a 
childcare center run by a church. It's a safe place, to begin with, but 
it's also a place where there's values. The handbook of this particular 
childcare is a universal handbook. It's been around for a long time. It 
doesn't need to be invented. Let me see your handbook there. [Laughter] 
This handbook is a good book; it's a good go-by.
    And yet our governments have, frankly, discriminated against faith-
based programs. It's the truth. How does it happen that way? Well, 
oftentimes a faith-based program that applies for Federal Government 
says, ``I want to help.'' And they say, ``Fine, you can help, but take 
the cross down from the wall. Take off the Star of David. Take down the 
crescent.'' And my answer to that is, how can you be a faith-based 
program if you can't practice your faith? It seems to be a contradiction 
in terms.
    Government policy said, ``On the one hand, perhaps you can help. On 
the other hand, you can't practice your faith.'' Faith-based programs 
are only effective because they do practice faith. It's important for 
our Government to understand that. Government oftentimes will say, 
``Yes, you can participate, but you've got to change your board of 
directors to meet our qualifications. You've got to conform to our 
rules.'' The problem is, faith-based programs only conform to one set of 
rules, and it's bigger than Government rules. The inspiration is

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not from bureaucracy, and that's what's important for Government 
policymakers to understand.
    I have asked Congress to not fear faith. See, the debate in 
Washington oftentimes is, well, the church will become the state, or the 
state will become the church. To me, that's never going to happen, and 
we won't let it happen. As a matter of fact, the separation of church 
and state is a vital part of our country. The freedom of religion is a 
vital part of our country.
    But on the other hand, when people are able to deliver results, 
people should not say--people shouldn't say, ``Well, the results are 
coming from the wrong source of programming.'' We ought to say, ``We 
want results. We welcome results, and we're willing to fund programs 
that are capable of delivering results. We want to fund programs that 
save Americans, one soul at a time.''
    In order to get beyond the debate of process, we must say--we must 
ask the question in Washington, ``Does the program work? Does the 
program to help the addicted work? Is the homeless program working?'' 
That's the question that must be asked.
    So I called on Congress to join me in passing laws that would allow 
the--open up the Federal Treasury to faith-based programs, and they 
balked. They got caught up in the process. So I signed an Executive 
order, an Executive order that instructed all Federal agencies not to 
discriminate against religious groups. Cabinet Secretary--soon-to-be 
Cabinet Secretary Jackson now knows the 
call. One reason he's the Cabinet Secretary is because he already heard 
it, however, and that is that we're not going to discriminate against 
faith-based groups when it comes to housing initiatives.
    We're spending a lot of time traveling the country. I've got a 
fellow that works in my office in the White House named Jim 
Towey. Towey is an interesting 
character. He is a--well, I shouldn't call him a character; he's a fine 
citizen. [Laughter] Believe it or not, Towey--you're not going to 
believe this, but it's true--he was Mother Teresa's lawyer. It's an 
interesting society where Mother Teresa needs a lawyer. [Laughter] But 
Towey's job is to educate people to what is possible, educate the social 
entrepreneurs, those who are on the frontline of saving lives, about 
what is possible, and to assure people who try to access Federal funds 
that you won't have to change your mission.
    In other words, we're changing a culture, and it takes a lot of 
work. And I appreciate you all giving me a chance to come and be a part 
of explaining what is taking place in Washington, DC. Cultures change 
because others will then go out and say, ``It's okay to try to access 
money to meet our need. The Government now is not going to thwart you.'' 
It's going to take a while to make sure that these faith-based offices 
which we've created in every Cabinet Department--or most of the Cabinet 
Departments in Washington--are able to get out the word.
    But we want you to help spread the word. We want those of you on the 
frontline of saving lives to feel comfortable now of accessing the 
billions of dollars which are available at the Federal Government level. 
What we said is, ``The playing field is now level.'' You've got a chance 
to bid, right along with other types of organizations, to be a part of 
the grantmaking process without fear of discrimination. It's a 
significant change. I'm comfortable in pushing the change because I know 
the nature of the work that is taking place.
    Let me give you one example. Three months after HUD opened its doors 
to faith-based groups, 600 such groups have received $168 million to 
provide shelter for the homeless. In other words, we're beginning to 
change. I love the idea of religious organizations providing help for 
the homeless. What a comforting place for someone who is lost and 
looking for help to be able to provide that help.

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    It is a--it's just the beginning, Mr. Secretary-to-be. And it's just the beginning of a lot of change. 
Health and Human Services Department, HHS, is now opening up its 
grantmaking process for faith-based programs. It's billions of dollars 
now available. And that's good for the society. And it's good for our 
country.
    Let me give you an example of some progress being made. Donna 
Blackburn--raise your hand, Donna. Donna's 
a--she's a good soul. She started a shelter for battered women and their 
children in Baton Rouge. First of all, thank you for starting a shelter. 
It's a noble calling. It's important for people like Donna to know 
there's a problem and respond to it. Donna didn't wait for a law to be 
passed, by the way. She didn't get permission from the President. She 
didn't say to the Governor, ``Can I do this?'' She just did it. That's 
what happens in America. People see a problem, and they move.
    And then the fundamental question is, when you find that spirit 
moving, what is the role of Government? She 
wanted to make the shelter, of course, a safe haven. But she also wanted 
to make a place where God's grace shines. She wanted the presence of the 
Almighty there to help her and her staff deal with the problems, the 
difficult problems that a battered woman and her children face. The 
problem was--and she applied for Federal money, housing money to take 
this donated warehouse and convert it into a house of love. The local 
government said, ``Yes, you can probably have some money, but you can't 
have prayer. You can't express faith.''
    Donna understands that the use of 
Federal money is not to proselytize. All comers are welcome. If a person 
of another faith walks in as a battered woman, she will be received. But 
Donna also understands that in order to make her program work, that 
they've got to be able to exercise their faith.
    We moved at the Federal level to say, ``No discrimination against 
faith-based programs.'' Last night, she 
reported to us that the Baton Rouge city council approved her faith-
based grant, no strings attached, and now she's got $60,000 to help 
convert her shelter.
    Somebody said, ``Well, thank you for the Federal Government.'' Now, 
see, you've got it wrong. You don't need to be thanking the Federal 
Government. We're talking about the people's money, anyway. It's the 
Federal Government's job--the Federal Government's job is to thank the 
Donnas of the world, the social people--the social entrepreneurs, the 
people who are literally changing America, one heart at a time. That's 
who we're here to thank, and that's where our society must recognize and 
welcome.
    Nicole Hilliard is here. Where are you, 
Nicole? There you go, okay. I embarrassed her. Nicole is a single mom. 
By the way, that's the toughest job in America, being a single mom. 
She's got a 15-year-old son. She was hurting. I shouldn't be giving her 
testimony for her, but I will paraphrase. She hurt, and she was worried, 
just like a mom would worry. She didn't have any housing. She was broke, 
stone broke, and she was worried as a mom, ``How do I take care of my 
child?''
    So she went to the First Evangelist 
Housing--went to the First Evangelist Church. This says, went to the 
First Evangelist Housing CDC. That's a little too technical. She went to 
the church, is where she went. She said, ``I hope to be able to get some 
help at this church.'' Her pastor is here; Pastor Taylor is with us as well. She said, ``I want some help.'' 
She was trying to escape not only an abusive relationship, she was 
trying to escape desperation and hopelessness. There's nothing better, 
by the way, than a faith-based program to provide hope. Again, I don't 
care what religion it is. Nothing more hopeful than the Word. She and 
her son moved into a one-bedroom apartment managed by First Evangelist. 
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just ought to be worried about whether or not that money is saving lives 
and providing a chance for people to find shelter.
    By the way, as a result of interfacing with this faith-based group, 
she went back to school. She found a job. 
She lives in a neighborhood, by the way, which has been transformed by 
the faith-based institution itself. She's talked about what it means to 
walk from the bus stop without fear of life.
    It's amazing what can happen when faith-based programs begin to 
influence entire neighborhoods. People change; the attitude of the 
people in the neighborhood change. Nicole's 
story is one that shows that individual lives are rescued on a daily 
basis. Our job is to help the rescuers find those who need to be saved 
and helped.
    Tonja Myles is here. I got to know Tonja 
because in my State of the Union last year, I introduced her to the 
country. And she's still talking to me, fortunately. [Laughter] She's 
from Baton Rouge. She directs what's called Set Free Indeed. It's an 
interesting name, isn't it? Set Free talks about the inspiration of the 
program. She receives money, Federal money to help save lives.
    Addiction, addicts need to be treated. They need to be helped. A 
small number of people consume most of the drugs. We need to find them 
and help save their lives. Sometimes a government counselor can work. It 
can make a difference. A lot of times, it requires a faith-based program 
to help break that terrible habit.
    And Tonja understood that. She started this 
program. She said she heard a call from God to start the program. It 
wasn't a Government bureaucracy that she talked to. It was a call from a 
higher being. And as a result, that program is inculcated with that 
spirit, and she's saving lives, one at a time.
    Interestingly enough, by heralding her program, a lot of other 
people came. I want you to herald programs. When you find something 
that's working in your local community, make sure that the citizenry 
knows what's happening. This is not me. This is not the Governor. It's 
just not the mayor. It's local community leaders willing to hold up 
examples of great success, of great healing. People need to know what's 
available. People need to know that there's love and the capacity to 
help save lives in their very neighborhood. You're here because you're 
interested. You're leaders, yourselves. Please make your programs and 
what is available known.
    The Government can help. I mean, we're calling for special 
initiatives: $100 million for drug treatment; 48 million for the 
Compassion Capital Fund, which is really to help startup faith-based 
programs. Like Kirbyjon--I told Kirbyjon, I said, ``Kirbyjon, you're successful. Help another church 
learn how to be successful. Reach out. Use your entrepreneurial skills 
and find another church to help that pastor understand what is 
available.'' That's what the Compassion Capital Fund does.
    We've got $50 million, by the way, in the budget that supports 
mentors for children whose moms or dad might be in prison or are in 
prison. See, this--the money is--it's important, and we're funding out 
of Washington and funding out of the State level. But more important is, 
where does the money go? And that's what we're here to talk about. 
Congress must not fear faith-based programs that interface and save 
lives. They must welcome such programs. So that's what I'm here to talk 
about, Pastor, good public policy based upon 
the willingness of our citizenry to love a neighbor just like you'd like 
to be loved yourself.
    One of my favorite pulpit stories came when a preacher was 
preaching. A guy, right where Congressman is 
sitting, he stood up and said, ``Use me, Lord. Use me.'' The man was 
about halfway through the sermon. He kind of ignored him. Maybe that's 
happened to you before, and you kind of ignore whoever is standing up 
yelling. Next Sunday, halfway through the sermon, same fellow pops up 
and says, ``Use me, Lord. Use me.'' Third Sunday,

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the same thing happens. So the pastor comes down, he says, ``Fine, you 
said, `Use me, Lord. Use me.''' He said, ``I'll be glad to use you. Why 
don't you paint and scrape all the pews.'' [Laughter] Next Sunday, the 
guy stands up and says, ``Use me, Lord, use me, but only in an advisory 
capacity.'' [Laughter]
    No, no, the people here are not advisers. They're doers. People in 
faith-based programs all around the country just don't sit around and 
say, ``Here's some advice.'' They say, ``What can I do to answer a call? 
How can I help change my community and thereby change my country?'' And 
that's what you're doing.
    Our Government must understand America is a hopeful and optimistic 
place, particularly when we apply the great strength of our country, 
which is the love of our citizens, to changing America, one heart, one 
soul, one conscience at a time.
    May God bless your work, and may God continue to bless America. 
Thank you for coming.

Note: The President spoke at 10:57 a.m. at the Union Bethel AME Church. 
In his remarks, he referred to Rev. Thomas B. Brown, pastor, Union 
Bethel AME Church; Gov. Kathleen Blanco of Louisiana and her husband, 
Raymond ``Coach'' Blanco; Mayor C. Ray Nagin of New Orleans, LA; 
Archbishop Alfred C. Hughes, archdiocese of New Orleans; and Rev. Warren 
Taylor, pastor, First Evangelist Missionary Baptist Church.