[Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: George W. Bush (2004, Book I)]
[April 2, 2004]
[Pages 504-513]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]
Remarks in a Discussion on Job Training in Huntington, West Virginia
April 2, 2004
The President. Thanks for coming. Please be seated. I wish
Dan had said ``a friend of long standing''--
[laughter]--as opposed to ``an old friend.'' I knew him when he lived in
Texas. You've got a good one running Marshall University here. He's a
fine fellow. He's doing a fine job.
I'm proud to be back in Huntington. We're going to have an
interesting discussion today about how to make sure people have an
opportunity to get the skills necessary to fill the jobs of the 21st
century. That's really what we're here to talk about. We're going to
talk about how to make sure everybody's life is optimistic and hopeful
as this economy of ours grows and changes. A perfect place to do so here
is at this community college, and I'm so honored to have been invited.
Thank you for opening up your fantastic facility, and thank you for
giving me a chance to come and talk.
By the way, right as I walked in--I want to thank the sisters. One
of them said to me--probably the most important thing a President can
hear is, she said, ``Mr. President, I'm praying for you.'' Thank you.
I want to thank the State and local officials who are here. Thanks
for coming by to say hello. I think that when you finish hearing this
discussion, you're going to realize what an important asset you have in
the community college system of West Virginia and how the Federal
Government and employers can work together with the community colleges
to make sure people get the skills necessary to take advantage of an
expanding job base.
I met a lady coming in named Robin Black.
She was out there at the airport. The reason I mention Robin is, a lot
of times people say the strength of America is our military. And that's
a part of our strength, and by the way, it is strong, and we intend to
keep it strong. Or they say the strength of America is the fact that
we're a wealthy nation. And that's important as well. But the true
strength of the Nation is the hearts and souls of our citizens. That's
the true strength of America. And the reason I mention Robin Black is
that she's a volunteer. Robin's sitting right there, by the way. She's a
volunteer to help people going for a job interview to look as good as
they possibly can, to understand what to say. She's a mentor to people
who need help.
No, the strength of this country is the fact that we've got citizens
from all walks of life who are willing to love a neighbor just like
they'd like to be loved themselves, who are willing to work to change
America
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one heart and one soul at a time. If you're one of those soldiers in the
army of compassion, I thank you for doing what you're doing. You're
making a difference to our country--just like you are, Robin. Thank you.
I'm an optimist, because I fully understand America's strengths and
I've seen what we've come through. I want to remind you right quick what
has happened to this country, what our economy has been through, what
the America people have had to endure over the last 3 years.
We went through a recession. That means things were going backwards.
That means three quarters of negative growth. Now, if you're a small-
business owner, it's difficult to survive in a recession. If you're
somebody looking for a job, it's hard to find a job during a recession.
But we acted, and we cut the taxes on the people, which made the
recession one of the shallowest recessions in economic history.
And then as we were recovering from the recession, the enemy hit us.
They attacked us, and it affected us. It affected our way of thinking,
for starters. See, when most of us were growing up, we thought oceans
could protect us, and we found out that wasn't the case. We found out
that America could be harmed by people who hate what we stand for. We
suffered for those who lost life. I vowed then and there that the best
way to protect America was to get on the offense and stay on the offense
and bring people to justice. We resolved as a nation not to allow
terrorists to cause us to lose our optimism and our spirit. That's what
we resolved. And we still have that spirit and resolve, by the way.
And then we found out we had some corporate citizens who didn't tell
the truth. That affected our economy. It kind of shattered our idealism
about people in positions of responsibility. We passed tough laws, by
the way. We're not going to tolerate dishonesty in the boardrooms of
America. There will be consequences if you lie to your shareholders and
your employees. But it affected us. It was a hurdle we had to cross. It
was a challenge to our economy.
And then, as you know, I made the decision to remove Saddam
Hussein from power. Let me tell you one of
the important lessons of September the 11th, and it's important for
people to understand, is that when we see a threat, we cannot let it
materialize. That's an important lesson. I saw a threat. I looked at
intelligence and saw a threat. The United States Congress looked at the
same intelligence, and it saw a threat. The United Nations Security
Council looked at the intelligence, and it saw a threat. People were
worried about Saddam Hussein because of his past behavior. Remember, he
had used weapons of mass destruction against his neighbors and his own
people. I remembered the lesson of September the 11th as I looked at the
data. I had a choice, either to trust a madman or defend the country.
Given that choice, I'll defend America every time.
We've still got hard work in Iraq. The reason we do is, there's
killers there who want to shake our will. They want the American people
to forget what it means to promote freedom. They want us to retreat.
See, a free Iraq is an historic opportunity. A free Iraq will change a
neighborhood that needs to be free. A free Iraq will make the world more
peaceful. But a free Iraq is something that the terrorists fear. They
hate freedom. They can't stand the thought of a free society, so they're
willing to kill. And they're trying to shake our will, but they don't
understand this country. We will never be intimidated by thugs and
assassins. This country will stay the course and get the job done. We
will get the job done.
Laura reminded me one time, she said, ``Do
you remember what it was like in the summer of 2002 when you turned on
your TV sets and saw `March to War'?'' That's a hurdle that we had to
overcome. You see, it's not good for the economy to be marching to war.
It's good for our security, but it's hard for people to make investment
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decisions if you think you're marching to war. It's a negative thought.
So that was the fourth challenge we faced here in America.
We faced a recession, an attack, corporate scandals, and a march to
war to make us more secure. But we've overcome all those challenges,
because the entrepreneurial spirit is strong, because the America people
are great workers, and because of good policy.
One of the things I think really did help, and I look forward to
continuing this dialog on the subject, is, you see, when a person has
more money in their pocket, they're more likely to demand an additional
good or a service. And when they demand additional good or a service,
somebody's likely to provide the good or a service. And when somebody
provides a good or a service, somebody is more likely to keep a job or
find work.
The tax relief we passed is working. It's making a difference for
this economy. And the reason I say that is, for example, the
homeownership rate is the highest ever. That's really important. We want
people owning their own home. It's a vital part of our economy.
Small businesses--the spirit of the small-business owner is strong
in America. Remember, when you cut income-tax rates on individuals,
you're really affecting most small businesses in America, because most
small businesses are sole proprietorships or Subchapter S corporations,
which means they pay tax at the individual income-tax rate. And in that
most new jobs are created by small businesses, it makes sense to have a
vibrant small-business sector in America. And the small-business sector
of this country is strong, and it's growing, and people are more
optimistic about expanding their businesses.
Manufacturing is up. An important statistic besides the growth
statistics is the fact that after-tax income is up by 10 percent since
late 2000. That's good. If you've got more money in your pocket, that's
a good thing.
The economy is growing, and people are finding work. Today the
statistics show that we added 308,000 jobs for the month of March. We've
added 759,000 jobs since August. This economy is strong; it is getting
stronger. You can understand why I'm optimistic when I cite these
statistics because I remember what we have been through. I mean, we're
getting better, and that's important.
There are other things we need to do. We need to make sure the tax
cuts are permanent. Congress doesn't need to be taking away the child
credit or the marriage penalty or the 10-percent--or the reduction--or
the increase of those eligible for the 10-percent bracket. We need to
make these tax cuts permanent. Small-business owners need to have
certainty in the Tax Code if they're going to be confident about
expanding their businesses.
We need tort reform in America, if you're a small-business owner. If
we want our jobs to stay here in America and want people to be able to
find work, we better make sure the legal environment is fair and
balanced. Frivolous lawsuits hurt small-business owners. They make it
hard for people to expand their business.
We need less regulation. I wish I could tell you that every single
piece of paper you fill out is read at the Federal level. [Laughter] I
can't. [Laughter] If I were to say it is true, a lot of people would
walk right out of the hall. [Laughter]
We need to make sure that we've got good policies to help control
the cost of health care: medical savings accounts; association health
care plans; and real, substantial medical liability reform at the
Federal level.
West Virginia's unemployment rate is 5.4 percent, down from 6.4
percent a year ago. The policies are working. There's more we need to
do. There's more we need to do to make sure the job base here is strong
and people can find good jobs right here
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in America. We need an energy policy that makes sense.
If you're a small manufacturing company--or big, for that matter--
manufacturing company, and you're worried about where you're going to
get your electricity from, it's hard to expand your business. It's hard
to expand your business if you're worried about the reliability of
electricity, not just the cost but whether or not electricity is going
to be reliable. Our electricity system is antiquated. It wasn't all that
long ago, last summer, to be exact, that we started having rolling
blackouts. That affects the ability for people to find a job when that
happens.
We've got a great, abundant resource in coal, and we need to--
[applause]. I came to West Virginia a while ago when I was seeking the
vote. I said, ``We're going to have a robust, clean coal technology
program funded by the Federal Government.'' My budget for this year has
got $447 million in it for clean coal technology. This Nation must be
willing to use--we must be willing to use the resources we have in a
smart way. We put out good regulations for mining companies to make sure
we don't shut down the ability to find coal and, by the way, to hurt
people finding work. In other words, we've been responsible, and the
most responsible position is to make us less dependent on foreign
sources of energy.
The job base is expanding. We've got a good strategy to keep
expanding. But you've got to remember that as the economy changes,
people need to change with it. Their skill levels need to change. And
one of the big challenges we have is how to make sure we match people
who want to work with the jobs which are available, and that's what
we're going to discuss today.
This is--as I say, this is a time of transition. That's what the
economists say. That's okay to use that word. The problem is, if you're
one of the people that are worried about the transition, we need to make
sure there's a plan to help you. That's what we need to do. We need to
stand with people who want to work and help them gain the skills
necessary so that they can do what they want to do, which is to put food
on the table for their families, to do their jobs as a responsible
adult.
By the way, all job training starts with making sure we get it right
at the elementary and secondary school level. The No Child Left Behind
Act is really important. It's an important part of making sure that
people can read and write and add and subtract. And we're going to stay
on it by insisting that in return for Federal money, that we achieve
high standards. See, I believe every child can learn, and I'm against
these systems that just move these kids through and hope that they
learn. We've got a--we'll say, ``Show us whether or not a child is
learning to read and write and add and subtract early in life.'' And if
not, there will be the help necessary to make sure not one single child
gets left behind. If you talk to the educators, they'll tell you, if we
can get it right at the elementary and secondary school level, we'll be
able to get it right at higher education as well.
Now, the other thing we need to do is recognize that some kids have
been shuffled through and they need remedial help at the high school
level. And we've laid out a good strategy to deal with that.
But I think one of the most exciting strategies is the one I started
to detail in the State of the Union and will continue talking about next
week, which is to make sure the WIA Program, the Workforce Investment
Act, gets money into the classrooms, gets money to the people so that
they can get properly trained for the jobs which exist.
The community college system is an incredibly important part of the
education system in America because the curriculum are flexible. That
means that if an employer group says, ``We need these kind of people,''
that they're willing to adapt a curriculum to help train people for the
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which exist. Vicki Riley is going to tell us
what that means here in a second.
It's important for us to make sure there's collaboration, for
example, for high-tech industries, so people get the skills. Listen,
technology is changing, and it races through our economy, but work
skills don't change as quickly. And that's the challenge we face. We've
got to make sure we get people trained, and that's what we're here to
talk about.
I want people out there listening to listen to the story of some of
the people who have gone back to school, to realize that that option is
available for you. If you're worried about the job you're in and you
feel like you need a new skillset in order to meet the new jobs, there's
some opportunity for you. There's Pell grants available. There's
scholarship money available. Now, Government can't make you make up your
mind to seek new skills, but we darn sure can help, and that's what
we're here to talk about today.
And a perfect person to start the conversation is Vicki
Riley. She's the provost and CEO of Marshall
Community College. She has put in some very innovative programs. And
Vicki, thank you for giving me a chance to visit this beautiful campus.
[At this point, Vicki Riley made brief remarks.]
The President. I think what Vicki is saying
is, is that there are some fields that are begging for--looking for
workers, best way to put it. The health care field is such a field. I
mean, I have traveled this country quite extensively, and a lot of times
I hear that, ``Gosh, if we only had more skilled nurses, or if we only
had more skilled technicians, we could meet the demands, our needs.''
And what Vicki is saying is, the community college here has got a
curriculum developed to meet the needs of the health industry here in
West Virginia. And I presume part of the curriculum was developed by the
people doing the hiring.
Ms. Riley. Absolutely. One of the things,
again, that is a strength of community college is we're connected. We're
connected to business and industry. And those employers sit on our
advisory boards, and they tell us what needs to be current. They tell us
what they need. They tell us what we may be missing, and we go back and
fix it, so that they're getting the types of employees they want to hire
that next go-round.
The President. Yes, you see, that's an interesting concept, isn't
it, and it's something people have got to understand, that Vicki goes out and says, ``Who are you looking for? What kind
of skills do you need? What can we do to adapt our curriculum to your
needs?'' And that's very important. It's that flexibility which I think
makes the community college system such a vibrant part of the American
experience.
That's why I've asked Congress to put up an additional $250 million
for collaborative efforts between the community college and the local
employer groups, so people can find the skills. I mean, after all, it
makes sense for Government to help people help themselves. And that's
what we're talking about here.
The other thing we can do to make sure Vicki's job is better is to make sure the paperwork
requirements from the Federal Government are more streamlined. I mean,
they've got all kinds of programs coming out of--am I right? [Applause]
We have got a student with us named Rina Angus. Now, Rina, first of all, what were you doing before you
became a student?
Rina Angus. I was in administrative
management at a local health club in Huntington. And whenever the
facility was coming under new ownership, I decided that that was my time
to leave.
The President. So you made the decision, right?
Ms. Angus. I made a decision.
The President. That's good. [Laughter] You're a mom?
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Ms. Angus. Yes, sir.
The President. Two children?
Ms. Angus. Yes, sir.
The President. How old?
Ms. Angus. Eleven and thirteen.
The President. Whew, yeah, I've been there. [Laughter] You have a
job, you decide to leave because of the change in the business, and then
what happens?
Ms. Angus. My husband got laid off.
The President. Yes? Then what happens? So far it's not a very pretty
story.
Ms. Angus. Well, we prayed a lot, and we
found out through the Parkersburg Job Service that there was additional
training available, that we qualified for a program called the Displaced
Worker Program. And when we went for the initial training and
interviews, it just happened that my husband lucked into another job and
I qualified for the program. So they showed me a list of skills that
were needed in the area, the in-demand jobs, and I saw one on there that
I had thought about when I was in high school and decided to pursue it.
The President. And what is it?
Ms. Angus. Radiologic technology in the
allied health field here at Marshall.
The President. Fantastic. Catch the story. Listen to the story. I
mean, I think it's a wonderful story about a mom and wife who, instead
of getting, like, totally distraught with the circumstances, says,``I'm
going to go back to school.'' And there's help for that. The Displaced
Worker Program is part of the Federal monies that are available to help
people go back to the community college system.
So, was it easy to go back to community college? Was it hard to go
back to school?
Ms. Angus. Well, it was scary to go back
after being out of school for 18 years. But with the help of Steve
Brown, with the adult recruitment office here at Marshall--he made the
transition very smooth. He told me the classes I needed to get into. He
helped me sign up for them. He directed me where I needed to go. The
staff at Marshall is wonderful. I mean, if you have situations arise
with your children or an illness, they work with you to let you get your
job done.
The President. Good. Do you think you're going to make more in your
new job after having come here, or not? That's a loaded question.
[Laughter]
Ms. Angus. Yes. I mean, the statistics show
that I should double the salary that I was making before.
The President. Yes. Let me pick up on that. That's why the kind of
leading question, as we say, and I'm not even a lawyer. [Laughter] It's
important for people who are listening to realize that if you go back to
the community college and gain new skills for the jobs which exist, not
only can you become employable, you're likely to make more money.
I was at Mesa Community College and met a woman who had been a
graphic design artist for 15 years. She decided to go back to school in
a technological program, got out--the Government helped her--got out,
and she made more in her first year in her new job because of the skills
she had gained than she'd made in her 15th year as a graphic design
artist.
You hear a lot of talk about becoming--productivity. That's kind of
the talk of the economists these days. That means that one worker can
produce more units now than they could have before. But productivity
also means having the skills necessary to work in the new jobs. And if
you're more productive, if the society is more productive, wealth goes
up. And in this case, when Rina gets more
productive, her personal wealth will go up.
Now, are you almost through?
Ms. Angus. I'm completing my first year here
at Marshall, the basic skills program. And I'm currently awaiting an
interview at Saint Mary's School of Radiology, where, if I'm accepted, I
would start this summer and complete 2 years of clinical and classroom
training. And at that time, you take a board certification to become a
certified radiologist----
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The President. Do you need a recommendation? [Laughter]
Ms. Angus. Well, if you're willing to give
one.
The President. Okay, you got one.
Ms. Angus. Thank you very much, sir.
The President. Thanks. Great job.
[The discussion continued.]
The President. Rocky McCoy is with us.
Rocky, tell us what you do. He's got a very interesting job and a great
opportunity to help people.
[Rocky McCoy, site coordinator, Huntington Work4WV Career Center, and
manager, Huntington Job Service, made brief remarks.]
The President. That's good. Now, tell me about your board. Do you
have employers on your board?
Mr. McCoy. Yes, we do. Yes, we do.
The President. Like, how many? [Laughter] Well, not exactly.
Mr. McCoy. Our board is made up of--it's a
pretty large board. There's probably 50-plus, and we're required to have
51 percent of the membership from the private sector.
The President. Right, that's good.
Mr. McCoy. So we have--we have several
employers that are on our board.
The President. How many people do you see, would you say?
Mr. McCoy. In the Huntington office, I'd say
we see anywhere from 400 to 600 people come through our door a month for
one-stop services. It's not necessarily job service; that is for all
one-stop services and all of our partners within our one-stop system.
The President. Right. What else could people do at the one-stop?
Mr. McCoy. We have the job service, if
someone's looking for a job. We can go through the necessary paperwork,
so to speak, to find out what a person's skills are, and we can refer
them out to jobs that are available. We also have the veterans program
so----
The President. Right.
Mr. McCoy. ----if we have any veterans that
need special programs for veterans, they can talk to a veterans officer
there. People with disabilities--we also have the Department of
Rehabilitative Services there; the Department of Health and Human
Resources, if people need some support until they find a job; senior
employment programs; adult basic education, if a person needs to work on
their GED; and also the basic skills program, such as remediation, job-
seeking skills, interviewing skills, how to fill out a resume and job
application.
The President. See, these services, by the way, used to be scattered
all over. And now he calls it one-stop because you go to one place, and
I appreciate that. Who's hiring?
Mr. McCoy. Folks in the health industry,
folks in the IT industry, and there are several smaller businesses that
are hiring in the area.
The President. That's good. See, there are jobs. And a lot of people
say, ``I hear there's jobs available, but I don't have the skills, so
I'm not going to go look.'' And Rocky's job and,
truth of the matter, all our jobs, is to say, ``Here's someone available
to help you.'' And you've got to want to help yourself, like this good
lady did. You got to say, ``I want to embetter myself. I want to take
advantage of the opportunity.'' But Rocky's job is to help steer people
to the opportunities, whether it be the community college or the jobs
which exist, if people don't feel like they need to enhance their
skills.
And I appreciate you, Rock. I call you Rock.
Mr. McCoy. That's fine. [Laughter] You can
call me whatever you want. [Laughter]
The President. All right, Sally Oxley is
with us. Sally is a small-business owner. I love to be with
entrepreneurs, people who are willing to start their own business
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and dream big dreams, people who--and as a result, by the way, of
dreaming a dream, gets in a position, when successful, to hire people.
That's one of the dividends of the entrepreneurial spirit, is people can
find work.
Sally, tell us about your business. How did you get started? Why did
you start your own business? How did you find the courage to start your
business? And anything else you want to say.
[Sally Oxley, owner, Huntington Physical Therapy, made brief remarks.]
The President. By the way, that's not easy. It sounds easy; it's
hard. It requires a good plan, a good strategy, and the development of a
product people need.
Ms. Oxley. And the reason that I started my
own business was, I wanted to do it my way. I wanted to do it the right
way. And that seemed to be what evolved.
The President. Good. And are you looking for people?
Ms. Oxley. We are. We're always looking for
good people.
[Ms. Oxley made further remarks.]
The President. And how is your business doing?
Ms. Oxley. It's growing. We're doing well.
The President. A lot of old guys like me with kind of aches and
pains. [Laughter]
Ms. Oxley. A few. Birth to death, is what we
say.
The President. I like that beginning part. [Laughter]
[Ms. Oxley made further remarks.]
The President. I'm glad you're doing well. Thanks for starting your
own business. Thanks for putting people to work. I think it's a very
interesting story, isn't it, that a small business in the health field
connects with the community college in order to do two things, one, lay
out the requirements necessary to hire people, but also provide a
opportunity for on-the-job training.
I appreciate your contribution to the community. It's a great story.
Ms. Oxley. It's a great community.
The President. It is a great community. Thanks for coming.
Bryan Johnson.
Bryan Johnson. Yes, sir.
The President. I'm glad you're here.
Mr. Johnson. Glad to be here, sir.
The President. They ever call you ``Red''? [Laughter]
Mr. Johnson. On several occasions. I
haven't figured out why just yet. [Laughter]
The President. I'll be the funny guy. [Laughter]
Mr. Johnson. If we're going to do the act
then, sir, I'll sit over there on your lap----
The President. That's right. [Laughter] Whew! Anyway,
Bryan, changing subjects rapidly--[laughter]--
no longer verbally dueling with Bryan. [Laughter] He is the chief
information officer of Mountain State Center for Independent Living.
Tell us your story, please sir.
[Mr. Johnson made brief remarks.]
The President. What did you get? What degree did you get here at
Marshall?
Mr. Johnson. I got the IT degree. And they
actually offer----
The President. Explain what IT means, just in case somebody----
Mr. Johnson. Yes, information technology,
which basically covers computers and networking and whatnot.
The President. Now, that sounds like a pretty big leap, from a guy
in a restaurant business to the IT business. Was it a big leap?
Mr. Johnson. You better believe it. When I
started in 1998 into the program, I couldn't even tell you how to turn a
computer on, okay? Now I'm a network engineer.
The President. That's good.
Mr. Johnson. Thank you. Thank you.
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The President. By the way, did you have to pay for the--how did you
handle the cost?
Mr. Johnson. I got student loans, and I
also received some assistance through WIA as well.
The President. Right, Workforce Investment Act. A lot of times, with
Government things, we talk in initials.
[Mr. Johnson made further remarks.]
The President. And so what is your--with the degree you have, not
only do you provide a--you're an important employee for the firm for
which you work, you're also now a consultant.
[Mr. Johnson made further remarks.]
The President. Are you making more money now than in the restaurant
business?
Mr. Johnson. Oh, yes.
The President. That's really important for people to understand,
that if you come back to Marshall Community College, for example, and
get new skills--how long did it take you to get them?
Mr. Johnson. Well, sir, it actually took
me 4 years with this program, because there are four specializations on
the degree, and I went for all four because of portability. I wanted to
be able to go anywhere and do anything.
The President. So you went for the full monty.
Mr. Johnson. Oh, yes. Indeed. [Laughter]
The President. Most programs don't take 4 years, I don't think.
[The discussion continued.]
The President. It's very important for people to understand that,
one, the job base is growing in different sectors. You know, I know
workers are worried that--you know, ``I wish my son or my daughter could
have worked in the same industry I've worked in for all my life.'' But
this is a changing economy. It's a different economy. It's an economy
that provides great opportunity. However, people are going to have to
seize the moment, and that's what we're here discussing. We're
discussing this sense of providing--so that people can provide for their
families.
And there's two great examples here of people that could have
decided, ``Well, I don't think I'm going to improve myself,'' and just
stayed doing what they were doing. But instead, I sense a great deal of
excitement in their voices about having made a decision that was an
important decision, a decision that probably seemed pretty darn hard at
first. But now that you've made it and you're in the middle of it, you
can recommend it, I suspect.
I love being with an entrepreneur, a job creator, a compassionate
soul who is interested in expanding the workforce in a smart way. I want
to thank the local government providing for the one-stops. Appreciate
you running it, Rocky--or Rock. [Laughter]
And finally, I'm so honored to have been here at this community
college. Madam President, thanks for opening it
up. Thank you for doing what you're doing. Thank you for providing hope
for people, providing an opportunity for people to take advantage of
this exciting era in which we live.
Finally, I want to conclude by telling you that I talked about the
challenges that faced our country. We'll have other challenges too.
There's no doubt in my mind, this great country will overcome any
challenge put in its path, because this country is great because of the
people of this country.
Thanks for coming. God bless, and God bless our great land. Thank
you.
Note: The President spoke at 11:40 a.m. at Marshall Community and
Technical College. In his remarks, he referred to Dan Angel, president,
Marshall University.
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