[Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: George W. Bush (2004, Book I)]
[March 25, 2004]
[Pages 442-453]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]



Remarks in a Discussion on Job Training and the Economy in Nashua, New 
Hampshire
March 25, 2004

    Lucille Jordan. Mr. President, on behalf 
of the faculty, the administration, the students, and the great citizens 
of the great State of New Hampshire, I'd like to welcome you to our 
campus. Mr. President, thank you.
    The President. Lucille, thanks. Thank you all. Thanks for having me.

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    Ms. Jordan. Thank you.
    The President. We're going to have an interesting dialog today about 
jobs, job creators, and education, and how they all work together to 
make sure that this State remains competitive and a good place to find 
work.
    Before we do so, though, I do want to thank you, Lucille, for--and your board and your faculty and your 
students--for welcoming me here. It's not easy to have the President 
come. [Laughter] Seems like there's a large entourage. But I appreciate 
it. And it's going to be--I think you're going to enjoy this. I know I 
am.
    Participant. I'm planning on it. [Laughter]
    The President. Good. I had the privilege today of riding from the 
airport in Manchester with your great Governor, Craig Benson. Appreciate you coming, Governor. I got to see the New 
Hampshire Government in action, because also in the car was the speaker, 
Gene Chandler, and the senate leader, Tom 
Eaton. I want to appreciate you all being 
there.
    I know the State attorney general is here. Peter, where are you? Thanks for coming. Good to see you, sir. 
Got a lot of members of the State house and State senate here. I know 
that Senator Jane O'Hearn, who happens to be 
the chair of the senate education committee--Lucille told me to be especially nice to her. [Laughter] 
Thank you for coming.
    I first want to tell you how optimistic I am about the future of the 
country. You know why? Because we've overcome a lot, when you think 
about it. In the last 3 years, this country has really been challenged. 
Our spirit has been challenged. Our economy has been challenged, and 
we've overcome them. We're a great country, full of wonderful people, 
dedicated, hard-working people.
    When I say the economy has overcome a lot, let me explain what I 
mean. We've been through a recession. That means things are going 
backwards. Ask any of these businessowners what it's like to be in a 
recession. They'll tell you it's plenty tough. It's hard to plan. It's 
hard to be optimistic when you don't have any growth. It's hard to find 
work during a recession.
    As well we got attacked on September the 11th, and that affected our 
spirit. It affected our economy. Cheryl McGuinness  is with us today. It affected her life. Her husband 
Tom was the pilot of American Airline 
Flight 11.
    The Government has got a solemn duty to protect America. And that's 
why we created the Department of Homeland Security. That's why we put 
out the PATRIOT Act, so our FBI and CIA can share intelligence to make 
sure we know who's here to hurt us. That's why the great United States 
military is on the offensive against--[applause]. The best way to 
protect us is to stay on the offensive and to find terrorists before 
they try to harm us again, and they will. That's what they're trying to 
do. Our solemn duty is to protect America.
    There's a commission going on in Washington, DC. It's a very 
important commission. It's a commission determined to look at the 8 
months of my administration and the 8 years of the previous 
administration to determine what we can learn, what we can do to make 
sure we uphold our solemn duty. Had I known that the enemy was going to 
use airplanes to strike America, to attack us, I would have used every 
resource, every asset, every power of this Government to protect the 
American people.
    There's a lot of good folks working to keep us safe. We overcame 
September the 11th because this Nation refused to be intimidated. We 
weren't going to let killers and assassins determine our course of life. 
It's a great nation because the people of America are resolute and 
strong and determined people.
    And then we found out we had some corporate leaders that didn't tell 
the truth. And it hurt us. It was another obstacle to overcome. You see, 
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accounting all depend upon honesty, and the fact that there were some in 
our society who were irresponsible citizens and who didn't tell the 
truth, it cost a lot of people jobs. It hurt our confidence. It was yet 
another hurdle to overcome. We reacted strongly, I want you to know. We 
passed tough laws. Perhaps you've seen on your TV screens some of the 
people that forgot to be responsible citizens getting their day in 
court. The message is--should be loud and clear to people in the 
business world: We're not going to tolerate dishonesty in the boardrooms 
of America.
    Part of the war on terror is to--is broader than just Al Qaida. The 
war on terror encompasses other theaters as well. You see, the lesson of 
September the 11th is we must deal with threats before they fully 
materialize. You can't just see a threat and hope it goes away. That's 
the lesson of September the 11th. Remember, prior to September the 11th, 
we thought oceans could protect us. But the strategic calculations of 
America must shift in order to do our duty to keep this country safe.
    I saw a threat; the Congress saw a threat; the United Nations 
Security Council saw a threat in the form of Saddam Hussein. He was not only a threat to people in the Middle East 
because of terrorist ties; he's a threat to America or anybody else who 
loved freedom. He's a threat to his own people. He had torture chambers 
and mass graves.
    And so I went to the United Nations--I think you might remember 
that--[laughter]--and said, ``Deal with the guy. He's been out there for 11 years defying every time 
you have said, `Disarm for the sake of peace, for the sake of freedom.' 
And he ignored it.'' And so I said, ``We'll give him one more chance.'' 
And we did. The United Nations Security Council voted unanimously to say 
to Saddam, ``Disarm, or face serious consequences.'' And he was defiant 
once again. And given the lessons of September the 11th, I had a choice: 
You either take the word of a madman, a guy who had gassed his own 
people at one point in time, or defend America. I'll defend our country 
every time. [Applause] Thank you all. Thanks.
    During the runup to the liberation of Iraq, on our TV screens you 
see ``March to War.'' That's hard to the business world. It's hard for 
job creators. It's not a very--it's not--you don't get a lot of 
confidence when you think your country is marching to war. War is 
negative. I did what I thought was right. Now we're marching to peace. 
But we overcame that part.
    So we've been through recession, an attack, corporate scandals, and 
war. And yet our economy is growing and getting stronger. Part of it had 
to do, I think, with the policy of our administration, which is tax 
cuts. See, I believe that when you let somebody have more of their own 
money to spend or save, that person is likely to demand an additional 
good or a service. And when they demand a good or a service, the way our 
economy works, somebody will produce the good or a service. And when 
somebody produces the good or a service, somebody is a lot more likely 
to find work.
    And so this tax stimulation came right at the right time. We cut the 
taxes on everybody. Sometimes in Washington, if you hear the tax debate, 
they say, ``Well, this person deserves tax cuts and this one doesn't.'' 
It's kind of like picking and choosing winners and losers, which I don't 
think is good tax policy. My attitude is, if you pay taxes and you want 
tax relief, then everybody ought to get tax relief.
    We increased the child credit to $1,000 per child. That helps people 
raising their families. If you've got children, it helps a lot. Reduced 
the marriage penalty. It doesn't make much sense to penalize marriage in 
the Tax Code when you're trying to encourage marriage in society. I 
mean, marriage is a good thing, not a bad thing. Put the death tax on 
its way to extinction. If you're a small-business owner, you ought to be 
able to leave your assets to whomever you choose. You get taxed when 
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growing your business, and you get taxed after you leave the Earth. And 
sometimes it's hard to pass on your assets to whoever you want. I mean, 
one of the ways to encourage entrepreneurship is to say, ``Build your 
business and leave it--leave your assets to whomever, whether it's a 
business or a farm or a ranch.'' So we did some good things with the tax 
cut.
    Let me tell you what else we did that relates to small business. 
Most of the new jobs in America are created by small-business owners. 
Seventy percent of small businesses--or new jobs are created by small 
businesses. And so most small businesses are Subchapter S corporations 
or sole proprietorships. Those are legal words for meaning they pay tax 
at the individual income-tax rate. So when you cut the taxes on the 
individuals, you're really cutting taxes on small businesses around 
America. And if you're interested in job growth, it makes sense to allow 
small businesses to have more of their own capital so they can expand 
and grow and hire more people.
    We also provided incentives in the Tax Code to allow small 
businesses to deduct up to $100,000, as opposed to $25,000. We had bonus 
depreciation plans available for investment. So we've made a difference, 
and the results are good. They really are good, when you think about it. 
And the unemployment rate here in this State is 4.1 percent. That's 
good, real good. The inflation is low. Interest rates are low. 
Homeownership is at the highest rate ever. That's positive for society. 
We want people owning things. We want people owning their own business. 
We want people owning their own home. By the way, minority homeownership 
rates are extraordinarily high in America, and that is really important 
too for our country. Manufacturing is increasing, and we've had job 
growth.
    Now, there's more to do, and we're not going to be satisfied until 
people who want to work can find a job. And so what are the things we 
can do? Well, one, we need an energy plan. It's hard to run a business; 
it's hard to be a manufacturer if you're worried about the reliability 
of energy. Ask somebody what it's like to run a business that requires 
energy and your energy bills spike up, or what was it like if you're 
worried about getting electricity at all because the grid is antiquated. 
It wasn't all that long ago, like last summer, that much of the east 
coast was affected because the grid is old. We need an energy bill that 
encourages conservation, alternative sources of energy, a bill that 
modernizes the electricity system, and a bill that makes us less 
dependent on foreign sources of energy.
    In order to make sure jobs stay here at home, in order to make sure 
people can find work, we need to be competitive. That's what we need to 
be thinking about--how to make sure we can do a better job of 
encouraging the entrepreneurial spirit to be strong so people create 
jobs in America. One way is good energy policy.
    We need tort reform. If you're a businessowner you talk to any 
businessowner, and in most places, they're worried about junk lawsuits 
that run up the cost of doing business. When they spend more time 
fighting off a junk lawsuit, it means there's less time hiring somebody.
    We need to worry about the cost of medicine. Listen, health care 
costs are going up. You ask any businessowner what it's like to run a 
small business, and they'll tell you, ``One of my big fears is that I 
can't provide for my employees,'' they'll tell you, because the cost of 
health care is going up. There's a debate in Washington. There's a 
philosophical debate over who you want running the health care. There's 
some up there, good people, good, honest, decent Americans who say, ``We 
want the Federal Government making all the health care decisions.'' I'm 
on the other side of that. I think we want consumers to be making--
[applause].
    There's some practical ways to do that. One, small businesses ought 
to be allowed to pool risk across jurisdictional lines so they can get 
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that big businesses have. Those are called association health care 
plans. Another interesting option for small businesses and employees is 
called health savings accounts; lets you put money in your health saving 
account tax-free, earn money tax-free, take money out tax-free. And you 
combine that with a major medical insurance policy, you've got yourself 
affordable health care, and it's good for small businesses. These are 
exciting options that are now developing in the marketplace, where the 
consumer has got more choice over the decisionmaking, as opposed to 
Government.
    Finally, in order to make sure that the health care costs are 
reasonable, we need medical liability reform. I want to praise the 
Governor and the speaker and the senator for working on medical 
liability reform here in New Hampshire. We need national medical 
liability reform too.
    There's three other things I want to talk about right quick. I 
promise you others are going to talk. You know how we are in Washington, 
once we get a mike--[laughter]--it's hard to pry it out of our hands.
    Ms. Jordan. College presidents----
    The President. Yes, college presidents. [Laughter]
    The tax cuts are set to expire. The child credit goes down next 
year. The marriage penalty goes up, and the 10-percent bracket as part 
of the overall tax cuts changes to the bad. Now, Congress needs to make 
these permanent. They need to make sure that people have more money in 
their pocket. We're strong. We're getting stronger. There's more to do. 
It's hard to run a business if you're uncertain about what the Tax Code 
is going to look like, and we definitely want our consumers to have more 
money in their pockets as we're coming out of what has been a very 
difficult period of time. You've heard the challenges we've overcome. If 
they don't make these tax cuts permanent, it means they're raising taxes 
on people with families. It means they're raising taxes on people who 
are married. It means they're raising taxes on people who are in the 10-
percent bracket. The tax cuts need to be permanent.
    There is a temptation in Washington to say the solution to jobs 
uncertainty is to isolate America from the world. It's called economic 
isolationism, a sense that says, ``Well, we're too pessimistic. We don't 
want to compete. As opposed to opening up markets, let's close markets, 
starting with our own.'' That is very dangerous for the New Hampshire 
economy. One in five jobs in New Hampshire depends upon exports. In 
other words, it depends upon the ability to get our goods into somebody 
else's market.
    Presidents before me, both Republican and Democrat, had made the 
decision to make our markets relatively open compared to other 
countries, because it's good for U.S. consumers. You see, when consumers 
have got more choices and there's more competition, it gives you--it 
helps satisfy your demand at reasonable price.
    And so the fundamental question is, do we keep our market open, or 
do we close it? My attitude is, we keep it open but make sure others 
open theirs too, see, and make sure the playing field is level. I've got 
great confidence in New Hampshire's workers. I've got great confidence 
in New Hampshire's entrepreneurs. I've got great confidence in products 
that say ``Made in the USA.'' And so do a lot of people who live in 
other lands. So let's sell. Let's have a--I'm going to continue what 
I've been doing and say, ``You reduce your barriers, see? Ours are down; 
just treat us the same.'' One way to make sure jobs don't go overseas, 
and one sure way to make sure we're vibrant here at home is to insist 
that other people lower their barriers so we can compete. That's all we 
ask. Just give us a chance. America's--Americans can rise to the 
challenge. Trust me.
    Okay, here we go. Two other things--I want to mention one other 
fellow before I get off here. Remind me, Larry, to mention you. [Laughter] I want to talk about 
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make sure jobs are here at home and that people can find work.
    First, we've got to get it right at the elementary school level. 
We've got to make sure that every child learns to read and write and add 
and subtract. I'm a big believer in accountability, not because I want 
to punish--I don't see--if the goal is to teach every child to read at 
grade level by the third grade and keep him at grade level, I don't see 
how you can figure that out unless you measure.
    Now, the people of New Hampshire ought to be running your own 
business. You don't want the Federal Government telling you how to run 
your schools. You want to be able to design your own accountability 
systems. But I would hope you would want government at all levels 
saying, ``What are the results?''
    And so we're spending record amounts of money at the Federal level, 
for particularly Title I students, which are poor students. And Senator 
Gregg, by the way, has been working hard for 
education matters. A good guy, I'm sure he would be here, but he's 
voting. [Laughter] But so we're asking the question, and we're going to 
get good results. See, accountability allows you to test your 
curriculum. Accountability lets you determine who needs help today, 
before it's too late. And one thing I'm not going to tolerate as your 
President--and you shouldn't tolerate as citizens--is just shuffling 
kids through the system and hope they learn. Those days have got to end.
    We've got remedial programs to help high school and junior high 
kids. Let's face it. Because there hasn't been accountability and hasn't 
been rigorous examinations of curriculum, some teachers need to be 
retrained, we're shuffling some kids through. And all of the sudden, 
they show up in high school, and they can't read. And so we need to have 
a focus on remedial education. I've asked Congress to put up some money 
to do just that, to help States and districts do that.
    But I think one of the great and hopeful opportunities for the 
country is to utilize our community college systems to make sure that 
people are trained for the jobs which actually exist. Community colleges 
have got the capacity to be flexible in their curriculum. They don't 
stay stuck in a certain kind of course load. Community colleges are able 
to say to businesses, local businesses, ``What do you need?'' Local 
businesses say to community colleges, ``This is what we need.'' Mayors 
and Chamber of Commerces are able to say to community colleges, ``In 
order for us to track a certain type of business or jobs, here's what we 
need.''
    And so long as the community college has got able leadership, like 
educational entrepreneurs like Lucille, and 
are willing to be flexible, you can actually match people with the 
skills needed to work in the new jobs of the 21st century. Listen, our 
economy is changing. We're a productive workforce, and some people need 
to be retrained in order to be productive workers. And the community 
college is a great place to do so.
    And that is what we're going to start talking about. But I mentioned 
Larry, Larry Jeffery. You probably don't 
know Larry. I didn't know him until I landed, and he was standing at the 
foot of Air Force One, the steps of Air Force One. He's here because he 
is a volunteer. He's a mentor. He teaches--he helps people learn what 
it's like to start your own business. We're going to talk to some people 
who have started their own business here today. It's heartening to know 
that a World War II vet, experienced businessperson, is willing to take 
time out of his life to mentor.
    The reason I bring up--raise your hand, Larry, will you? There you go. That's him. The reason why I 
bring up Larry is because the strength of this country is the heart and 
souls of our citizens. You know, people say, ``Well, America is strong 
because of our military''--and it's one reason, and by the way, we'll 
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or ``We're strong because we're a prosperous nation, we're the largest 
economy in the world, and we've got a great spirit here.'' But we're 
really strong because we've got people who want to love their neighbor 
just like they'd like to be loved themselves.
    I know it happens all over Nashua and the State of New Hampshire, 
where people get involved with church and synagogue and mosque in order 
to help a neighbor in need, or whether you go to your local civic group 
or whether you're a mentor. Listen, my call to you is, be like 
Larry. Take time out of your life and help 
change America, one heart and one soul at a time, and the country will 
be better off for it.
    All right, here we go. Lucille says she's 
tired of me talking. [Laughter] Lucille is the president of the 
community college in which we sit. I have chosen this community college 
because she is doing exactly what I think a community college ought to 
do, which is to be practical in its application of education in order 
for people to be able to find a job. Explain to people how you're doing 
it.
    Ms. Jordan. I will. But before I do that, 
with all due respect, I need to tell you that I have the best job in the 
United States as president of this college.

[At this point, Ms. Jordan continued her remarks.]

    The President. Yes, let me ask you about this one program, the 
national emergency grants. What happens is, is that sometimes, under 
certain circumstances, when a business gets shut down, there is worker-
training money available at the Federal level to go to community 
colleges to help retrain workers for jobs which exist. And I believe 
we--the Federal Government granted a national emergency grant to this 
college.
    Ms. Jordan. Yes.
    The President. And how's that going?
    Ms. Jordan. Very well, very well.
    The President. A plant shut down in Manchester.
    Ms. Jordan. Yes, and actually I think our 
sister campus in Manchester is----
    The President. Is handling most of it.
    Ms. Jordan. ----really helping them out a 
great deal, not only in the English second language area but as well as 
helping them out gaining new skills in manufacturing and computer skills 
in programming. And it's a real success, very much so, credit to the 
president, Tom Wisbey.
    The President. The point I'm making is, is that you can be proactive 
and reactive, proactive to find a curriculum that works to attract jobs 
or if jobs expand, reactive to economic downturn for a particular 
company, and help people. And that's what the community colleges are 
good at. They're good at taking people and converting their skill base 
to a useful skill base.
    I'll tell you a very interesting story. I went out to Mesa Community 
College in Arizona, and I met a lady who had been a graphic design 
artist, I think for 15 years. And she went back to the community college 
and went to a technically based program. I think it was a 6-month 
program, if I'm not mistaken. She got out and joined Cable One, and in 
her entry-level job, she made more, after having gone to 6 months of 
community college, than she had in her 15th year as a graphic design 
artist. In other words, the transference of skills, the ability to make 
a person more productive, raises pay.
    And the community college system--if people are interested in the 
community college system, think about going back to school for a period 
of time to raise your pay, to raise your standard of living, to give 
yourself a better shot at making a living by being employed by companies 
who are vibrant, competitive, and 21st century companies.
    Ms. Jordan. Absolutely.
    The President. Is that what you find?
    Ms. Jordan. I think another area too that 
we don't think about often in industry is the allied health industry. 
And one of the things that we've done in a partnership

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here in Nashua is Southern New Hampshire Medical Center. We did not have 
the money to open up a lab. They came to us and said, ``Look, we have a 
nursing shortage. We want to open it up to the public. We're going to 
open up a million-dollar lab on their west campus,'' and they did that. 
And as a result, we have new nurses in the field.
    The President. You know, it's an interesting point. Again, if 
anybody's listening--[laughter]--and you're trying to work, think about 
the health care field. In a lot of our States around the country, there 
is a shortage of health care workers. Now, it's going to require a 
desire to go back and get the skills necessary to go into the health 
care field. Government can't make you make the decision to be a--to work 
and to gain new skills, but we darn sure can open the door. And that's 
what we're here to talk about.
    Let me talk about Mike for a second, if you 
don't mind. Mike Hills is a student. He is a--I can't wait for you to 
hear his story. If you'd look at Mike walking down the street, you'd 
say, ``You don't look like a student to me.'' [Laughter]
    Mike Hills. I hear it at the campus sometimes 
too.
    The President. There you go. [Laughter] Tell us your story, 
Michael. Tell us what you're doing, why you're a 
student here. Give us a little sense of the background. Bring people up 
to date. There may be somebody listening who is wondering whether or not 
it is worthwhile to go back to a place like Nashua, New Hampshire 
Community Tech. How you're paying? Are you paying it out of your pocket? 
How you getting here?
    Mr. Hills. Well, first, before I begin, Mr. 
President, I'd like to thank you for coming and having me here with you. 
I'd like to take a moment to introduce to you my brother Patrick and 
my--[laughter].
    The President. Patrick, how are you? Keep 
your remarks short, Patrick, will you? We've got--[laughter].
    Mr. Hills. ----and my girlfriend, Nancy, who is sitting right next 
to me.
    The President. I would suggest reversing the order next time, 
Michael. [Laughter]
    Mr. Hills. Well, you know, they say blood is 
thicker than water.
    The President. Yeah, right. [Laughter]
    Mr. Hills. Well, as you know, I'm a 41-year-
old student here at the college, and I started here in September 2003. 
Before I started here, I was in the retail business. I sold everything 
from soup to nuts. You name it, I probably sold it. And I have two 
daughters at home, and as you know, raising two daughters becomes more 
expensive as they get older. [Laughter]
    The President. Hair gets a little whiter too, doesn't it?
    Mr. Hills. As you can see, yes.

[Mr. Hills continued his remarks.]

    The President. Good. Can I ask you one more question? You remind me 
of old Larry over there, you know? 
[Laughter] That's good.
    Mr. Hills. Thank you, sir.
    The President. As I understand, you got a little help to come here?
    Mr. Hills. Yes, I did, through financial aid, 
through Pell grants, through Stafford loans. I also was awarded the 
Triple A scholarship, the American Motors Association, and also two upon 
graduating that will also enable me to be ASE-certified, which is the 
Automotive Service of Excellence, which is an accredited program. It's 
not mandatory, but it also makes you more marketable in your area. And I 
encourage anybody who is thinking about going back to school--let me 
tell you, dollars and cents make some sense.
    The President. There's money available. There's Pell grants 
available. There's Trade Adjustment assistance available. There's 
national emergency grants available. You got to want it, now. You just 
can't say, ``Okay, I think I'm going to gain skills just by thinking 
about it.'' People are going to have

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to seize the initiative. It's up to the individual, like Mike, but it's available. And that's why I'm so glad Mike is 
here to explain that even at 41 or, perhaps, especially at 41, there's 
great opportunities if you're willing to seize the moment.
    Heather is with us, Heather Limanek. So 
Heather's working along. She's got one child. By the way, if the child 
credit is not made permanent, Heather pays more taxes next year. Just 
think about that now. [Laughter] So when--the Congress--I'm not worried 
about your Senators or your Congressmen, but there are some others you 
need to be thinking about. The people up there in Washington who say, 
``Oh, we're going to repeal the tax. We're going to tax the rich,'' that 
means they're going tax small-business owners. And if they don't make 
the child credit permanent, they're going to be taxing Heather right at 
the wrong time. So it's important for people to put a face with the 
consequences of bad tax policy.
    Anyway, she's here--guess what happens? 
She's got a kid. She's working. She gets laid off in 2000, and then what 
happens?

[Heather Limanek, student, New Hampshire Community Technical College at 
Nashua, and owner, Heather's Happenings, made brief remarks.]

    The President. Yes, let me tell you something. That's great, a 
fantastic story. What a great story. She has 
a dream, goes back to school, and starts her own business. It happens 
all the time in America. The job of Government is to create an 
environment in which people are confident about chasing their dreams. 
It's really the thing that makes our economy so unique and vibrant, 
isn't it.
    Heather gets laid off, gets kicked in 
the gut, I think you said. [Laughter] Stomach, yes. [Laughter] Anyway, 
and now she's a businessowner. Government can't guarantee success. 
That's up to Heather. And it's why she's staying in school, to learn the 
skills necessary to be as good a small-business owner as she can. But we 
darn sure can make the environment such that somebody like Heather feels 
comfortable about taking risks.
    We're really proud of you. I love the story. It's what I love about 
our country, isn't it? Somebody can own something that she can call her own and make it work. You noticed she 
said, ``I hope to be hiring people next summer.'' That's how it works in 
America.
    By the way, speaking about people hiring somebody, David 
Dunfee is with us today. He is the president of 
D.G. O'Brien, Inc. Tell us about D.G. Who is D.G.?

[David Dunfee made brief remarks.]

    The President. Yes, let me step in. He got 
him 175 employees, which is a good size company, but he's a Subchapter S 
corporation, which means he pays taxes at the individual income-tax 
rate. So when you hear them in Washington talking about taxing the rich, 
that's the rich right there, see? That's who they're talking about. 
They're talking about taxing employers. If you're a small-business owner 
and they're running up the top rates on you, you're taxing people who 
are creating jobs.
    It makes no sense to be draining capital out of the economy, out of 
his coffers. He says he wants to expand this 
year. It means he's going to add more employees. If they're taking money 
away from this company, they're not going to be adding more employees. 
That's how the economy works. That is why I am so strong on making sure 
that the tax cuts are permanent.
    Tell me--the other thing you noticed he 
said, because of the bonused appreciation--that's an accountant word 
for, we're trying to encourage you to buy equipment. That's what that 
means. What did you buy?
    Mr. Dunfee. Last year, we spent about 
$400,000 in capital equipment, anywhere from machine tools to computers 
to CAD stations. And this year, in part because of

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that tax credit, we're upping that 25 percent to $500,000 and buying 
additional equipment to improve our productivity.
    The President. You see, he makes a capital 
decision. In other words, he's going to go buy a machine. Somebody has 
got to build the machine. So when you said--when you heard me talk about 
increasing demand for a good or a service, it's precisely what I'm 
talking about. He increased demand last year for additional capital 
purchases by $400,000. This year, he's going to make another $500,000 of 
purchasing. Somebody has got to make those goods. And when somebody 
fills his order, it means a worker is more likely to retain a job or 
find a--or a worker is able to find a job. And that's how this economy 
works of ours. And that's what the decisionmaking process, not only by 
this company but by millions like him all across America, help define 
whether our economy is vibrant or not.
    And I appreciate, Dave, your--taking on 
this business and being an employer. You notice the other thing he said, 
``The employees make it work.'' That's a great owner of a company and a 
great manager if he says--he gives the credit where credit belongs.

[Mr. Dunfee made further remarks.]

    The President. Yes, I think you need to look at health savings 
accounts, seriously. An employer, for example, can buy a catastrophic 
plan with a high deductible, say $1,000 deductible. It's a fairly 
inexpensive plan relative to the current plans on the market that you're 
probably buying. And then the employer and the employee can match on 
some basis, depending upon the nature of the company, a tax-free entry 
into the health savings account, out of which the consumer pays 
incidental medicals until you get up to $1,000. But if you don't spend 
all $1,000, you earn interest, tax free, and you can roll it over from 
one year to the next. In other words, you have a health savings account, 
and it makes sense because it puts the consumer in charge of health 
decisions. It also encourages people to make healthy decisions with 
their bodies, like walk and exercise and don't drink too much and quit 
smoking. There's a lot of serious things you can do to keep their health 
savings account vibrant because it's your money.
    Anyway, I wish you would look at that. I think you'll find it to be 
some pretty interesting----

[Mr. Dunfee made further remarks.]

    The President. Fiscal policy can determine pressure on interest 
rates. We've got a plan to cut the deficit in half. Let me talk about 
the deficit right quick. We have a deficit, and we've got a deficit 
because we were in a recession, for starters. A recession means less 
revenue is coming into the Treasury, and if you don't cut expenses, 
you're going to get a deficit. We didn't cut expenses. As a matter of 
fact, we increased expenses, particularly in two areas--the military. If 
I put somebody in harm's way, they're going to get the best, as far as 
I'm concerned. [Applause] Thank you all. Sit down, please. Yes, I 
appreciate you applauding our troops. That's who you're applauding.
    But we can get the deficit down half. It's going to have to be tough 
on spending. And it's hard. Appropriators are appropriators, and they 
take their title seriously. And so we're working with Congress to set 
priorities and to bring the deficit down, which will help, but Alan 
Greenspan has a lot to do with it. I'll 
tell--I'll pass it on. [Laughter]
    Mr. Dunfee. The only other thing I ask you 
to do is, let's bury that death tax.
    The President. Yes, I agree. Let me talk about the death tax again. 
If you noticed, early in his discussion, he 
said he was struggling with being a second-generation owner. I'll tell 
you what he was struggling with. He was struggling with, probably, the 
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the assets passed on from one generation to the next. That's what 
happens.
    There's a lot of small-business owners who, when they faced with 
paying a death tax, have to sell the business in order to do so. And it 
just doesn't make sense. It's just not--it's a bad tax. It discourages 
entrepreneurship. It makes it harder for this good man to make sure his business is vibrant so that he keeps 
people working here.
    So when you heard me talk about the death tax being good for the 
entrepreneur--getting rid of the death tax being good for the 
entrepreneurial spirit, that's what I meant. I meant it encourages 
people. It makes it easier for the businessowner to decide to pass their 
assets on to kids, families, whoever--charitable trusts, whatever it may 
be--without the Government standing in between the decider and the 
person who benefits from the transfer of the company. That's what 
he's talking about.
    It's important for small-business owners to make sure the death tax 
does not come back. Catch this, though. The way the law is written, the 
death tax comes back to life in 2011. So here we are--let's advance to 
2010, and we're all alive. [Laughter] And the death tax has been scaled 
down, and all of a sudden, it pops back up into existence. Imagine what 
policy is going to be like. You talk about confusing. And you know, a 
lot of people are going to be--well, never mind how they're going to be 
thinking. I'm just telling you, it's bad law.
    George, you are a--you weren't born here 
in this country, were you?
    George Kassas. If you'd like me to.
    The President. No, no. [Laughter]
    Mr. Kassas. I was born in Lebanon, sir.
    The President. So you're a first-generation American.
    Mr. Kassas. Yes, sir.
    The President. Welcome.
    Mr. Kassas. Thank you. Thank you so much. 
Thank you.
    The President. You weren't even born here, and you're the cofounder 
of a successful company. Is that an accurate assessment?
    Mr. Kassas. Yes, sir.
    The President. Well, then, why don't you just tell us about it.
    Mr. Kassas. Okay. Thank you so much, sir, 
for the opportunity to be with you on this stage. And it's a great 
privilege and a distinct honor for me.
    I'd like to avoid the mistake Mike made, so I'd like to introduce my 
family first to you. [Laughter] That's Kristen, Juliet, Tony, and 
George.
    The President. That wouldn't be--that's not George W., is it? 
[Laughter]

[Mr. Kassas, cofounder and executive vice president for operations and 
business development, Cedar Point Communications, made further remarks.]

    The President. Let me stop you. George has 
got two employees in the year 2000. You'll have 116--is that right?
    Mr. Kassas. Yes, if you add the 25, 
absolutely.
    The President. By the end of '04, you'll have 116 employees. That's 
really good news, isn't it? Think about that. I'm glad you're doing 
well, and the R & E tax credit does need to be permanent.
    What I'm interested in people knowing is to connect, when you talk 
about the entrepreneurial spirit in small businesses, with job creation. 
This one company alone that was a dream in this guy's brain has now added employment of 117. It happens all 
over America. There's a lot of Georges in this world. [Laughter] There's 
a lot of entrepreneurs who dream big dreams and who work hard to achieve 
it. And the job of our society, in order to be competitive and to keep 
jobs here, is to make sure that entrepreneurial spirit is strong with 
good policy. And that's what we're talking about.
    What else you got to say?
    Mr. Kassas. Mr. President, this year and 
well into future years, we will be exporting our product to many 
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world, starting this summer. And what does that mean? It means that 
every time we export, we grow the company; we add jobs; we invest in our 
capital equipment. It's just as simple as that.
    The President. Yes, well, I appreciate you understanding that. 
He is talking about--see, what he needs to be 
talking to me about is to make sure that the markets he wants to export 
into don't have a bunch of trade barriers and tariffs. See, what George 
wants from his Government is to say, ``Don't shut it down here. Open it 
up over there.'' Just give him a chance to compete. We've got to reject 
economic isolationism in America. We've got to be bold and confident. 
We've got to believe in our people. We've got to believe the Georges of 
the world can compete anywhere if just given a chance to do so.
    So when you hear me talking about trade policy, that's what I'm 
talking about. I'm talking about giving our entrepreneurs a chance to 
compete on a level playing field. And if you give Americans a chance to 
compete on a level playing field, we'll win just about every time.
    Listen, I want to thank you all for coming. I hope you have found 
the conversations with your fellow citizens as stimulating, as 
interesting as I have. I mean, one of the things that's--I like to 
remind people, I'm an optimistic person. And the reason I'm an 
optimistic person is I listen to these kind of stories all the time, 
doers and dreamers and achievers, people who honor their family, people 
who love their country more than anything else. It is such an honor to 
be with you all. I'm so glad you're here.
    Thank you for what you're doing. Thank you for being such great 
Americans, and may God bless you all.

Note: The President spoke at 1:21 p.m. at New Hampshire Community 
Technical College-Nashua. In his remarks, he referred to Gov. Craig 
Benson and State Attorney General Peter W. Heed of New Hampshire; Gene 
G. Chandler, speaker, New Hampshire State House of Representatives; 
Thomas R. Eaton, president, New Hampshire State Senate; and New 
Hampshire State Senator Jane O'Hearn. Discussion participant Lucille 
Jordan referred to Thomas Wisbey, president, New Hampshire Community 
Technical College-Manchester.