    [Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: George W. Bush (2004, Book I)]
    [May 10, 2004]
    [Pages 836-841]
    [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]

    Interview With the American Forces Radio and Television Service
    May 10, 2004

    Pentagon Meeting

        Q. Thanks for doing this, sir. Let's start with why you're at the
    Pentagon. You just met with your national security team and some top
    military officials, and you talked about the progress we've made in
    Iraq. Can you outline that for me, please?
        The President. Sure. First, we got rid of Saddam Hussein. That in itself was tremendous progress for the people
    of Iraq. He was a tyrant. We discovered mass graves, torture rooms. I
    mean, this is a fellow who, you know, if you didn't agree with him
    politically, your life was in jeopardy. And as a result of getting rid
    of Saddam Hussein, the people of Iraq now have a chance to live in
    freedom.
        Secondly, we have been on the offense against foreign fighters and
    former Saddam loyalists and the illegal
    militias that really are doing everything they can to stop freedom.
    These people can't stand the thought of a free society. A free society
    will be a defeat to their ideologies or way of thinking or their
    desires. And our military has performed brilliantly, and I got a
    briefing on the progress being made around parts of Iraq.
        Thirdly, we're making progress in heading toward a transfer date of
    sovereignty. What that means is that at some point in time--not ``some
    point''--on June 30th, a new Government will be stood up and they will
    be, then, responsible for making decisions that will benefit the Iraqi
    people. Of course, we will stay to help make sure the security situation
    will then be such that then they'll be able to have free elections.
        One of the things we got briefed on today from General
    Abizaid and General Petraeus is that we are continuing to work with the Iraqis to
    develop a security--Iraqi security force, different elements of a
    security force, to fight off these terrorists and criminals, for that
    matter, and people coming into the country illegally--or people trying
    to blow up infrastructure. And that's been steady. Progress is steady.
    You've just got to understand, these people have come from a world in
    which a tyrant really ruled their life. And so they're beginning to
    develop the habits and the confidence that free people will have.
        What's very important--there's two things that are important: One,
    our troops have got to know we're doing the right thing, and by
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    in Iraq, they're really making this country more secure and free; and
    secondly, the Iraqi people must know that I will not back off in the
    face of these terrorist attacks. I will remain steadfast and strong in
    the mission, because it's the right thing to do.

    President's Reaction to Prisoner Abuse

        Q. Let's talk about that mission for just a second. Some things have
    started to overshadow our mission there, some of the real disturbing
    photos that we've seen. How do we set that aside and continue what we
    need to do?
        The President. Well, I think there will be a focus here in America
    on pictures and, you know, what you've seen. And the way you handle that
    is you just tell the truth, which stands in stark contrast to societies
    run by tyrants. Look, the world will see that the American people are
    disgusted by the behavior of a very few people. The troops need to hear
    from me that I understand that those over there in the Iraqi theater are
    good, decent, honorable citizens who are not only fighting the bad guys
    but are making life better for the innocent people of Iraq. And there's
    thousands of acts of kindness that take place every day, and I know it.
        The world will also see that we handled the situation in a way that
    is open and transparent. In other words, people will be able to see the
    process and that justice will be done. It is very essential that as we--
    that as justice is done, that we honor the presumption of innocence and
    the rule of law. There are certain standards of law that free societies
    adhere to, but we will get to the bottom of this.
        In the meantime, as I mentioned today to some people here in the
    Pentagon, we stay focused on the mission. We must not be diverted. We
    will find the truth. We'll make sure the truth comes out, and we'll make
    sure the system works well. But we must not lose our focus. And I told
    that to General Abizaid as well. We must
    stay--we must stay totally focused on what's taking place in Iraq,
    because a free Iraq is in this Nation's long-term interest.
        See, free societies are peaceful societies. And we're in a part of
    the world right now where there hasn't been much freedom, and as a
    result, people lose a sense of hope, and they become violent, and they
    fall prey to false ideologies that then encourage killing of innocent
    life. And the long-term security of this Nation depends on our ability
    to stay focused on the mission in Iraq, because a free Iraq will be a
    major change agent in the Middle East.
        Q. Sir, you touched on it a little bit. You and I both know that
    that's a small part of the military, a very small part, and the rest of
    us aren't representative of that.
        The President. Right.
        Q. You're our Commander in Chief. Now is your opportunity to talk to
    the rest of us. What would you like to say to the rest of us regarding--
    --
        The President. Sergeant Lehman, I'll tell you, the actions of a few
    will not be allowed to stain the honor of the mighty United States
    military. Not only do I know how hard our troops are fighting in Iraq
    and how brave our troops are; I also know how decent and compassionate
    our troops are. I hear stories all the time of people working with
    orphans or people helping schools be formed or people working to provide
    medical care for people. I mean, people in Iraq who have interface with
    our troops, the innocent Iraqis who have, know how decent and
    compassionate these folks are.
        We've sent the finest from our country overseas, and I want our
    troops to know that. And the American people know that; that's what's
    important. Our troops need to know the American people stand squarely
    behind them.

    Military Appreciation Month

        Q. May is Military Appreciation Month. What can the United States
    and its citizens do to help show our troops their appreciation?

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        The President. Make sure your pay is good; make sure that the base
    housing works well; make sure that when a troop gets wounded overseas,
    that they get the best care at Walter Reed or Bethesda in a quick period
    of time; make sure you get the best equipment possible; make sure that
    there's a firm financial commitment behind the men and women who wear
    our uniform; as well as to thank a member or the military. In my State
    of the Union, I read a letter from a little girl that I thought was a
    very touching letter, where she was writing about the need to thank
    somebody in uniform. Well, that's what Americans can do.
        I'm telling you, I've been out there. I get out of Washington, and I
    see the people, and I hear the--in every speech I give I praise the
    United States military--speeches I've been giving recently, like last
    week, I praised the United States military for courage and strength and
    sacrifice. And the response is overwhelming. The American people believe
    in our military personnel, and our troops need to know that.

    President's Visits With Troops

        Q. When you've gotten out, you've had a chance to visit some of our
    forward-deployed troops. You've been to Walter Reed----
        The President. Right.
        Q. ----and you've visited some of those who have come back. What
    strikes you about the military members that you talk to?
        The President. I think that--a couple of things. One, the wounded
    want to get back in their unit, which is remarkable to hear. You walk
    in, a fellow has been--I remember going to Fort Hood over Easter. And
    Laura and I went in a fellow's room, and they had
    been in a fight in Sadr City. And he said, ``Look, I just want to get
    out of here and get back to my unit.''
        I meet people who understand the mission and who believe that what
    we're doing is the right thing, because they see on the ground the
    realities on the ground, and they see progress that is being made. Sure,
    there's a lot of tough fighting, but in parts of the country, a civil
    society is beginning to grow and develop.
        I had--one of the most poignant meetings came with a young guy I met
    who had lost his leg in Afghanistan, and I went in there--part of my
    mission is to tell him, ''We care for you a lot,'' and just let him know
    that the Commander in Chief appreciates their sacrifice. And he lost his
    leg, and I told him, I said, ``When you get out of here, you're going to
    get the best prosthesis possible, and then you're going to come to the
    White House and run with me.'' The guy had kind of a glazed look, you
    know, ``Sure, another political promise that won't be met.''
        And sure enough, he got rehab. I kept checking on him through a
    colonel I knew who was in charge of physical therapy at Walter Reed, and
    she one day came in and said, ``Well, Mr. President, he's ready to
    run.'' I said, ``I'm not so sure I am. I hurt my knee.'' [Laughter]
    Anyway, we go over to the South Lawn of the White House, and he came up
    from Louisiana, and it was a touching moment for me. It just--it
    reminded me of how courageous our people are. This kid came out of the
    bed rehabbed, and he was running with the President--outran me too, I
    want to tell you.

    Message to Military Families

        Q. That was my next question. [Laughter] It's hard to talk about the
    sacrifices of military members without talking about their families as
    well. What would you like to say about that?
        The President. Well, obviously the first families that I want to
    talk about are those who have lost a loved one. I think it's very
    important for them to know the United States Government, along with our
    military, will complete the mission. In other words, I've assured people
    that they will not have died in vain. And the mission is a free

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    Iraq. A free Iraq is in our Nation's interest because it will help us
    become more secure. But a free Iraq will also be a part of an historic
    opportunity to change the world to be more peaceful.
        Secondly, I know there's a lot of loved ones who are, obviously,
    worried. And my message to them is, we're making sure they get
    everything they need, and that the--we spent time today talking about
    troop protection. These generals understand the need for troop
    protection. These are capable guys that are smart, that know what
    they're doing, and they care as much as anybody cares to make sure our
    troops have the best and that they're well protected.
        Third, my message to the families is, is that there's a lot of
    people praying for you and for your loved ones. And I hope it sustains
    them during these lonely moments, to be held up in prayer by fellow
    citizens. There's a lot of prayer warriors across America who pray daily
    for the safety of the troops and for the peace of mind for the families.
        Q. Do you think that families understand the mission just as much as
    the military members?
        The President. I do--I do. I think they hear from their loved ones.
    The first mission is to make sure that we never forget the lessons of
    September the 11th. We're at war. I think most family members understand
    we're at war. Family members understand their loved one volunteered for
    the mission. Not one person in combat today that didn't say, ``I want to
    defend my country, voluntarily. I'll go into the theater. If sent, I'll
    go.'' And family members understand that.
        There's obviously--look, there's apprehension and nervousness. And
    one of the things that we must do is make, as best as possible, certain
    the tours of duty so there's not anxiety amongst family members.
    However, when General Abizaid says he needs
    to slow down the rotation in order for there to be more troops on the
    ground, he'll get that from me and from the Secretary of Defense because
    we support our generals on the ground, which means we support our troops
    on the ground, so they can have what is necessary to win this--win this
    war. And we're going to win it, see? That's what people have got to
    understand. It's tough at times, but we're winning. And what matters is
    determination and will and steadfast leadership from the United States.
        And you know, the Iraqis are sitting there watching this election
    process of ours. It's an important process, obviously. Democracy is
    essential, in my judgment, for a peaceful world, and we're the leading
    democracy on the face of the Earth. But as they watch this, they're
    wondering whether or not I've got what it takes to stand up to the
    political pressures and do what I think is right, which is follow
    through with our strategy to win this war and make sure they're free.
    They've got to hear this, and our troops must hear this: I don't care
    what the politics are like in America. We're doing the right thing, and
    we will--we will finish the task, because I understand how important the
    task is for the future of this country.

    Changing Situation in Iraq

        Q. We've talked about the progress toward that task, and things have
    changed a little bit because they've been making progress on their own,
    politically, and some of the volatility that has surfaced. How has our
    mission changed toward that task recently?
        The President. Remember, things have changed on the ground too,
    because we're bringing people to justice. I mean, our troops are
    successful. They're running raids in different cities when they find
    people showing up who wants to--who want to stop progress. The people in
    the military watching this need to know that we're on the offense. And
    one of the reasons why things have quieted down recently is there's
    fewer of them to make noise, fewer of the enemy to make noise.

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        But what is changing is the fact that we're heading toward a moment
    of transfer of sovereignty. And the Iraqis are going to have to then be
    responsible, at some point in time, and the transfer of sovereignty is
    that point in time--that they are going to have to say, ``Now is the
    time to clean up this mess, and oh, by the way, we'd like some help.''
    And up to now, it's been a--they've been very dependent on us. But that
    is beginning to change. And that's what you're beginning to see, change
    on the ground. That's why General Petraeus' mission is so important, to be able to provide training
    for these troops and to make sure there's a command structure so that
    Iraqi citizens are responding to Iraqi commands and needs.
        And we'll have a role, don't get me wrong. I mean, we will be there
    after the transfer of sovereignty, because there's still going to be
    need for us to help protect--protect infrastructure, protect these
    killers [sic]. The other thing that--this is an enemy that is
    resourceful, and they're coldblooded. They don't care who they kill. We
    do. We care a lot about human life, but they don't. And they will
    destroy women and children in order to create fear. And the presence of
    our great military will help alleviate any fear that they may try to
    cause.

    Terrorist Attacks

        Q. We still hear about terrorist attacks, not only there but other
    parts of the world. What message do you have for the people who are
    perhaps still afraid of terrorist attacks?
        The President. We're vulnerable, because, again, we're facing an
    enemy that doesn't mind walking into a subway in Madrid and putting
    bombs on trains where innocent commuters are sitting. And therefore, so
    long as they're out there, we're vulnerable. We have to be correct 100
    percent of time in protecting America, and they've got to be right one
    time about hurting us. And so the citizens need to know we're doing
    everything we can to better share intelligence and safeguard our ports
    and borders and make sure people take their shoes off when they get on
    the airplanes and everything we can to secure the country.
        But they also need to know, at least in my judgment, the best way to
    protect the homeland is to stay on the offense, give our military every
    tool we need, give our intelligence service the tools necessary to find
    these people and to get them and to stay after them and not relent and
    not yield.
        There's pressures in the world of people--the natural tendency for
    people is to say, ``Oh, let's lay down our arms.'' But you can't
    negotiate with these people. There are no negotiations that are to be
    had. Therapy won't work. The only way to deal with them is to stay on
    the offense, and that's precisely what the Government will do so long as
    I am the Commander in Chief, because our most solemn duty and the solemn
    duty of people who wear the uniform of the United States is to protect
    the American people from harm. And I can't tell you how much I
    appreciate the sacrifice of those who are willing to do so.

    President's Thanks to the Troops

        Q. Please, just, sir, one final word for the military members that
    you're talking to out there.
        The President. My final word is, I'm proud of our United States
    military, and it is a high honor to be the Commander in Chief of such a
    fine group of men and women.
        Q. Thanks so much for joining us, sir.
        The President. You bet.

    Note: The interview was taped at 12:10 p.m. at the Pentagon for later
    broadcast. In his remarks, the President referred to former President
    Saddam Hussein of Iraq; Gen. John P. Abizaid, USA, combatant commander,
    U.S. Central Command; Maj. Gen.

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    David H. Petraeus, USA, incoming chief, Office of Security Transition--
    Iraq. A tape was not available for verification of the content of this
    interview.