    [Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: George W. Bush (2003, Book II)]
    [August 8, 2003]
    [Pages 982-987]
    [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]

    Remarks Following a Meeting With Secretary of Defense Donald H.
    Rumsfeld and an Exchange With Reporters
    in Crawford, Texas
    August 8, 2003

        The President. We've had a fascinating discussion on a variety of
    subjects with Secretary Rumsfeld and Chairman Dick Myers. Of course, the Vice President is here. As an aside, the
    Vice President and I went fishing; we threw our
    first lure at about 6:20 a.m. this morning. Looks like--turns out the
    fish like cooler weather than hot weather; probably the press corps
    feels the same way.
        Turns out this is our 100th day since major military operations have
    ended, ended in Iraq. And since then, we've made good progress. Iraq is
    more secure. The economy of Iraq is beginning to improve. I was
    interested to note that banks are now opening up and the infrastructure
    is improving. In a lot of places, the infrastructure is as good as it
    was at pre-war levels, which is satisfactory, but it's not the ultimate
    aim. The ultimate aim is for the infrastructure to be the best in the
    region. And the political process is moving toward democracy, which is a
    major shift of system in that part of the world.
        And we're pleased with the progress, but we know we've got a lot
    more work to do. And the Secretary was briefing me on the ongoing
    security operations and the status of our forces. But I can say--and I
    think he can say--progress is being made not only in Iraq but in
    Afghanistan as well.
        And then we spent time making sure that our military is configured
    in such a way as to represent the modern era, which means it will be
    more likely that the world will be peaceful. A modern, strong, light,
    active military will make it easier to keep the peace, and after all,
    that's the objective of the administration, is to promote freedom and
    peace. And the Secretary and his team are doing a really good job for
    the American people.
        Welcome back to the ranch, Mr. Secretary. We're thrilled you're
    here.
        Secretary Rumsfeld. Thank you, sir.
        The President. We'll be glad to answer a few questions. Let's start
    with the wires, of course.

    Iraq

        Q. Thanks, Mr. President. You talked about progress, but there's
    some unfinished business in Iraq also.
        The President. Yes----
        Q. No Saddam----
        The President. ----that's what I also said, we've got more to do.
        Q. To be specific: No Saddam; no weapons; 56 soldiers have died in
    this 100 days----
        The President. Right.
        Q. ----including one last night. What can you tell the American
    people about how many more soldiers will die? And also, your commander
    in Iraq said yesterday, ``Two years, absolute minimum.'' Is that an
    assessment you share?
        The President. Well, first of all, we suffer when we lose life. I
    mean, our country is a country that grieves with those who sacrifice,
    and our heartfelt sympathies and appreciation go to the loved ones of
    any soldier who's willing to defend the security of the United States,
    and that's what they're doing in Iraq. It's very important

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    to people to understand that this is a part of the war on terror, that
    we're dealing with terrorists today.
        We learned a lesson on September the 11th, and that is, our Nation
    is vulnerable to attack. And we're doing everything we can to protect
    the homeland by making the Homeland Defense Department effective in
    securing the borders. But the best way to secure America is to get the
    enemy before they get us, and that's what's happening in Iraq. And we're
    grateful for the sacrifices of our soldiers.
        I said, Scott [Scott Lindlaw, Associated Press], right after
    September the 11th, that this war on terror is a different kind of war,
    and it's going to take a while to win the war on terror. However long it
    takes to win the war on terror, this administration is committed to
    doing that, because our most solemn obligation is the protection of the
    American people.
        And as I said, the Secretary and I discussed what's happening inside
    of Iraq, and we've got a lot of brave soldiers slowly but surely
    demolishing the elements of the Ba'athist regime, those foreign
    terrorists who feel like they can use Iraq as a place to arm up and
    inflict casualty or perhaps gain strength to come and attack Americans
    elsewhere.
        We've been there 100 days. We've made a lot of progress in 100 days,
    and I am pleased with the progress we've made but fully recognize we've
    got a lot more work to do.
        Do you want to add to that, Mr. Secretary?
        Secretary Rumsfeld. No, sir. [Laughter]
        Q. Should the American people expect 2 more years, at least?
        The President. The American people should suspect that this
    administration will do what is necessary to win the war on terror.
    That's my pledge to the American people. They have got to understand
    that I will not forget the lessons of September the 11th. And those
    lessons are loud and clear that there are people who want to inflict
    harm on the American people. We lost 3,000-plus on that fateful day. And
    you know, I made the pledge to the American people and the families and
    those who grieved that we will hunt down the terrorists wherever they
    are and bring them to justice. And that's what we're going to do.
        Steve [Steve Holland, Reuters].

    California Gubernatorial Candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger

        Q. What do you think of Arnold Schwarzenegger, and would you
    consider campaigning for him?
        The President. I will never arm-wrestle Arnold Schwarzenegger.
    [Laughter] No matter how hard I try, I'll never lift as much weight as
    he does.
        I think it's interesting. You know, I'm a follower of American
    politics. I find what's going on in the State of California very
    interesting, and I'm confident the citizens of California will sort all
    this out for the good of the citizenry.
        Q. Would he be a good Governor?
        The President. As I say, I'm interested in the process. It's
    fascinating to see who's in and who's out, and yes, I think he'd be a
    good Governor.

    Israeli Security Fence

        Q. Mr. President, there are reports today that Israel is willing,
    perhaps, to reroute the security fence it's been building. Is that
    enough of a concession by the Israelis, or should they abandon
    construction of the fence altogether?
        The President. Well, Dick [Richard Keil, Bloomberg News], let me put
    the fence and these issues into a larger perspective, if I might. In
    order for a Palestinian state to emerge, a couple of things must happen.
    First, the Palestinians, the people in the neighborhood, must deal with
    terror, must rout out those who would like to destroy the process.
        The fence, by the way, is a reaction to days when there were terror.
    I've said the fence is a problem because the fence is,

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    you know, kind of meanders around the West Bank, which makes it awfully
    hard to develop a contiguous state over time. And so I've said we'd talk
    to the Israelis, and we are, about the fence. But we must have the fence
    in the context of the larger issue, and the larger issue is, will the
    conditions be such that a state can emerge? It's important for a
    Palestinian state to emerge, in our judgment, because the world will be
    more peaceful. Israel will be more secure, and more--or as importantly,
    the Palestinians will have hope. But all parties must work against those
    who would make it very difficult to achieve the vision.
        Q. Are you regarding it as a step forward, a sign of progress?
        The President. Well, as I said--look, the Israelis are willing to
    work with us. They've said, ``We'd consult.'' We're consulting. In order
    for there to be the progress that needs to be made, there needs to be
    security. The fence was a reaction to--in some ways, a reaction to the
    days of the intifada. And the more secure Israel feels, the more likely
    there will be a peaceful state. The more secure the region is, the more
    likely institutions necessary for the development of a Palestinian state
    will emerge.
        And so on all these issues, we'll deal, of course, with both
    parties. We're staying very active. Ambassador Wolf is doing a fine job there. But it's important to put all
    these issues in the larger context of what is necessary to achieve what
    we think--what I think will be great for the region: That is a peaceful
    Palestinian state.
        Larry [Larry McQuillan, USA Today].

    Iraq

        Q. Mr. President, you've given us an update on Iraq and progress in
    stabilization there. At this point, are you able to give us even a
    ballpark estimate of what it may cost, say, in the next fiscal year? And
    will Americans be the ones who bear most of the cost of that?
        The President. Two points there: One, we generally don't do our
    estimates on the back of an envelope. In other words, by that I mean the
    commanders in the field will be dealing with the Secretary of Defense.
    Jerry Bremer will be bringing
    recommendations. And of course, we'll go to the Congress in order to
    fund any requests, and the requests will be well thought out, based upon
    some variables. And one of the key variables is how much money we can
    get other nations to contribute to the reconstruction efforts of Iraq or
    how many other nations are willing to contribute forces.
        So therefore, this is a--you know, the budgeting process is one
    that's ongoing. It's an iterative process, I guess is the best way to
    put it. ``Iterative'' is the right word, do you think?
        Secretary Rumsfeld. Yes.
        The President. In other words----
        Q. Is it too fluid, then? I mean, you're saying, because until we
    know how many people are going to help----
        The President. No, at some point in time, Larry--no, it's fluid up
    to a point, but obviously we're going to have to make a request. And
    when we do, it will be a request based upon sound judgment. It will be a
    well thought out request. It will be one where the Congress will be able
    to ask legitimate questions like you're asking and will be answered. And
    they're now in the process of coming up with a--the basis for a request
    to the United States Congress.
        You know, I remember, by the way, the initial stages of the war in
    Iraq. And the questions were, ``How long is it going to take?'' I think
    it kind of echoes the question that Scott asked: ``How long will you be
    there? How long will it take?'' And I can remember saying, ``As long as
    necessary.'' Remember? I don't know if you remember the offensive stage
    of the war. You were doing an interesting job of trying to get us to
    make absolute predictions. And what is necessary is to achieve an
    overall strategy, and whatever it takes to achieve the strategy, this
    administration is committed to.

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        Q. But you know, going into that, sir, you actually gave a pretty
    accurate prediction of what that would cost.
        The President. Well, going into it, right, and we'll give you an
    accurate projection of what it's going to cost next year at the
    appropriate time. But also going into it, there was the timetable
    question, which also relates to spending. And that is, ``Why won't you
    tell us how long it's going to take?'' My answer was, ``How long?
    However necessary is how long it will take.'' And that's the way we feel
    now. And we are working hard to bring other nations to bear
    responsibility in Iraq.
        I want to say something about Afghanistan. Germany has taken a very
    active role in Afghanistan, and we're very thankful for that. As NATO
    steps forward, Germany has assumed a big responsibility. And we really
    appreciate the German participation. And the reason I bring that up is,
    is that that's a change from 6 months ago. And not only is Germany's
    participation important, it's robust, more robust than we would have
    anticipated. I look forward to thanking Chancellor Schroeder for that.
        And Larry, the point there is, is that things do change. And we will
    have a budget that is as accurate as it can possibly be when we go to
    the Congress, because we understand the questions our planners and
    operators will receive. And they will come with good, sound data.
        Dana [Dana Bash, Cable News Network], and then Mark [Mark Knoller,
    CBS Radio]. We've got to get in before we have a heat stroke--
    [laughter]--before you have a heat stroke, excuse me. [Laughter]

    Iran

        Q. Mr. President, for you and for Secretary Rumsfeld, please.
    Secretary Rumsfeld, did you authorize Pentagon officials to hold some
    secret talks with Iran-contra figure Manucher Ghorbanifar in order to
    push for a regime change in Iran? And Mr. President, do you think that's
    a good idea, and is the new policy--official policy regime change in
    Iran?
        Secretary Rumsfeld. I had not had a chance to see these articles--or
    an article that I guess exists. I did get briefed by Condi and Larry DiRita here a
    minute ago. And my understanding is that some--one or two Pentagon
    people were approached by some people who had information about Iranians
    that wanted to provide information to the United States Government, that
    a meeting did take place--this is more than a year ago--that such a
    meeting did take place and the information was moved around the
    interagency process to all the departments and agencies. And it's
    dropped. That is to say, the--as I understand it, there wasn't anything
    there that was of substance or of value that needed to be pursued
    further.
        Q. But it's your understanding that this wasn't intended to sort of
    go around any other talks that have been going on; these are unofficial
    talks with the Iranians?
        Secretary Rumsfeld. Oh, absolutely not. I mean, everyone on the
    interagency process, I'm told, was apprised of it, and it went nowhere.
    It was just--this happens, of course, frequently. People come in
    offering suggestions or information or possible contacts, and sometimes
    they are pursued. Obviously, if it looks as though something might be
    interesting, it's pursued. If it isn't, it isn't.
        The President. Well, we support the aspirations of those who desire
    freedom in Iran.
        Mark.

    Democratic Presidential Candidates/Iraq

        Q. Mr. President, what's your response to the Democrats, including
    Al Gore yesterday and some of the Democratic Presidential candidates,
    who say that the American people were misled in advance of the war about
    the reasons for going to war--that you said disarming Iraq was the main
    purpose, but since then, no weapons of mass destruction have been found?

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        The President. I say it's pure politics.
        Listen, thank you all. Have a beautiful day.
        Q. Do you want to say more than that?
        The President. No, it's just pure politics. We've got a lot of
    people running for President, and it's pure politics. The American
    people know that we laid out the facts. We based the decision on sound
    intelligence, and they also know we've only been there for 100 days. And
    we're making progress. A free Iraq is necessary for a--is an integral
    part of the war on terror. And as far as all this political noise, it's
    going to get worse as time goes on, and I fully understand that. And
    that's just the nature of democracy. Sometimes pure politics enters into
    the rhetoric.
        Thank you all.

    European Union-U.S. Relations

        Q. One on Germany? Do you think that signals a shift that Europe
    might be coming around to helping out in Iraq now?
        The President. Oh, I think that we're getting--I mean, look, Great
    Britain has been helping out in Iraq for a long period of time. Poland
    has been helping out in Iraq. I mean, we've got a lot of people helping
    out in Iraq. And I thought that the German decision in Afghanistan was
    an important decision, and we're grateful for that.
        Listen, thank you all.

    U.S. Troop Strength

        Q. Would you mind if I just asked about the meeting you had?
        The President. Sure, go ahead and ask about the meeting.
        Q. I mean, I know that's unusual, but----
        The President. Beautiful meeting. [Laughter]
        Q. But you know, are you now satisfied that maybe after reviewing
    our force strength that American forces are not stretched too thin by
    the war on terrorism or maybe potentially could be down the road?
        The President. I'm satisfied.
        Secretary Rumsfeld. We discussed that in the meeting, and it's a
    fair question. Needless to say, when you have a spike in activity, a
    crisis in Iraq, it is important to review those questions. Dick Myers
    and his folks in the military review them continuously.
        We have found there are literally two or three--well, about two
    dozen things we can do that we reduce stress on the force, and the cost
    of adding end strength is significant. The time it takes to bring them
    in, recruit them, train them, equip them means there is a significant
    lag. So it's not something one does quickly. And as a result, we've got
    a major effort going on to take advantage of all the things we can do to
    increase the kinds of ways we can relieve that stress on the force. And
    it looks to me like we're going to be able to do that.
        And on the other hand, our country can afford to pay for forces at
    the level that can help defend and protect us. And to the extent at any
    point it looks as though an end-strength increase is appropriate, we
    obviously would recommend it, but we certainly don't see the evidence of
    that at the present time.
        The President. Thank you.

    President's Vacation

        Q. Any new 100-degree club members?
        The President. Yesterday we added one.
        Q. Do we know him?
        The President. A Secret Service agent.
        Q. Are you going running today?
        The President. No, I'm not.
        Q. Did Dick Cheney catch anything?
        The President. Dick Cheney--he's a great fly
    fisherman. [Laughter]

    Note: The President spoke at 11:47 a.m. at the Bush Ranch. In his
    remarks, he referred to Assistant Secretary of State for
    Nonproliferation John S. Wolf; L. Paul Bremer

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    III, Presidential Envoy to Iraq; and Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder of
    Germany. Secretary Rumsfeld referred to Acting Assistant Secretary of
    Defense for Public Affairs Larry DiRita. A reporter referred to former
    Vice President Al Gore. A portion of these remarks could not be verified
    because the tape was incomplete.