[Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: George W. Bush (2001, Book II)]
[July 17, 2001]
[Pages 860-870]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]



Interview With Foreign Journalists
July 17, 2001

    The President. I'll make a few comments. Did anybody hear what I 
said at the World Bank? Nobody? [Laughter] You're kidding me. I spend 
all this time writing this speech, and nobody listens.
    Here's what I said. I said that in Europe I talked about a house of 
freedom. I talked about opening doors; that means expanding freedom by 
enlarging NATO and the European Union. I also talked about opening 
windows, so that America, our allies, and friends can more clearly see 
the problems that face those who are the developing world.
    And so I laid out a strategy that I'm going to pursue in Genoa that, 
one, says that those of us who are prosperous must continue to put 
policies in place to enhance prosperity, lower taxes, less regulation, 
and free trade; secondly, that we have--must work together to develop a 
new security arrangement that will help address the

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threats of the 21st century. In other words, prosperity for all must 
include a prosperous and stable world.
    Secondly, I talked about open trade. I firmly--I said clearly, as 
clearly as I could, that the protesters in Italy have the right to 
express their opinion in a peaceful way. But they hurt the case of the 
poor when they argue against trade; they hurt the opportunities for 
developing nations to grow. As I said, my friend Ernesto 
Zedillo put it well. He said, the thing that 
troubles him is that it's clear that the protesters don't want the 
developing nations----
    Assistant Press Secretary Mary Ellen Countryman. They want to protect the developing nations from 
development.
    The President. Yes. All I was going to say is, it's clear they don't 
want the developing nations to have access to development, and he's 
right.
    And thirdly, in order for developing nations to be able to succeed, 
our nations and our friends must work hard to enhance education, fight 
disease. I reminded folks that we were the first nation to step up with 
contribution to the HIV/AIDS fund. We're part of the strategy. We will 
put more in as the fund shows success. I believe you're going to see 
that, at the G-7, there will be a strong commitment for more 
contributions from nations represented here at the table. We contribute 
nearly a billion dollars a year in international aid to HIV/AIDS; that's 
more than double the second-largest donor in the world.
    I talked about the need for the World Bank and multilateral banks to 
have more grants for education and health, as opposed to loans. I said 
that our Nation will work to develop a teacher training program in 
Africa.
    My point is, is that part of enhancing world prosperity and world 
freedom--that those of us who are fortunate nations must work together 
to provide opportunity: trade, better health, and better education. That 
was my speech; I'm sorry you missed it. [Laughter]
    I'll be glad to answer a few questions.

Northern Ireland Peace Process

    Q. I was going to kick off, as the British representative.
    As you know, the peace process in Northern Ireland is at a critical 
stage and facing possible disaster at the moment. The Irish Prime 
Minister, the Catholic Deputy Prime Minister of Northern Ireland, 
moderate voices in both north and south have no less than 40 editorials 
in the American newspapers, including in the Washington Post and the New 
York Times, have called for decommissioning of weapons. I quote the 
latest one--the Houston Chronicle put it: ``It is time, indeed, it is 
well past time for the IRA to honor its commitment to the Good Friday 
peace agreement by surrendering its weapons.''
    Is it now also time now for U.S., as you prepare to visit Britain, 
to help break the logjam by calling on Sinn Fein and its IRA associates 
to move on surrendering of weapons and bring back stability to Northern 
Ireland?
    The President. We strongly the support of Tony Blair and Bertie Ahern's attempts to 
enact the Good Friday agreement. And one of the crucial points is 
decommissioning. And my Government stands side by side with those two 
governments and those two leaders in urging all sides to decommission, 
to disarm, and to enact the Good Friday agreements.
    The situation in Northern Ireland is coming to a critical stage. I 
look forward to talking to my friend about the issue. As I said 
yesterday, I stand ready to help. But there should be no mistake that we 
believe the decommissioning part of the Good Friday agreement must be 
upheld.

Upcoming Visit With Pope John Paul II

    Q. Mr. President, you're coming close to Italy and to the Holy See.

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    The President. Yes, I'm looking forward to it.
    Q. What do you expect from your first meeting with His Holiness the 
Pope, considering his position on abortions, stem cell, the death 
penalty?
    The President. Well, I expect to talk to a very principled man who 
speaks from strong convictions. And I look forward to being in the 
presence of a great world leader.
    In my speech in Warsaw, I reminded people that His Holiness and his 
influence had amazing effect on transforming--an amazing effect to 
encourage freedom. I believe--I truly believe he's a great world leader, 
and I appreciate his efforts of reconciliation and healing. In my 
country, the Holy Father has an enormous impact, because the leaders of 
the Catholic Church, for example, stand strong on the principle of life. 
They also stand strong on making sure that those who have no voice are 
heard. And I respect the Catholic Church; I respect the leadership. And 
I look forward to a very frank discussion.
    This will be my first chance to have met the Holy Father. It's not 
my first time to Rome, though.
    Q. Are you a little excited?
    The President. I'm very excited. You can't help but be excited and 
be thinking about being in the presence of a great leader, a man who has 
got such depth, such spiritual strength and depth. And he's had an 
enormous impact on the world.
    And so I look forward to that, and I also look forward to seeing 
Rome again. I was there to visit my daughter, who went to school at the 
American School in Rome for a 6-month period of time. Laura and I went 
over to visit her; I believe it was in the fall of '98, right after my 
reelection as Governor of Texas. We had a wonderful experience, and I'm 
looking forward to going back.

Role of Market-Oriented Economies/Strength of the Dollar

    Q. Mr. President, the strong U.S. dollar is getting a real problem 
for the U.S. export industry. Are you worried about this? And a question 
related to this, the European countries a year ago, when they have been 
here at the IMF/World Bank meeting, they were talking about taking the 
role of an engine for the world economy. Do you think, or do you expect 
them to take this role, and, if, what do you think they're going to do?
    The President. If the IMF should take a strong role for----
    Q. No, the European countries taking a----
    The President. Well, I think this. I think that--let me answer the 
dollar question second.
    First, as to the role of market-oriented economies and democracies, 
we do have a role. And the first step is to make sure our economies are 
strong and that we trade freely between ourselves. That's why I urge--as 
a matter of fact today, if I'm not mistaken, the EU Trade 
Commissioner and Ambassador Zoellick, the trade commissioner for the U.S., are making a 
joint statement--if it's not today, it's soon--about the need to have a 
new global round of trade. In other words, I do believe that those of us 
who have got rule of law and transparency in our economies, who have got 
essentially market-oriented economies, have an opportunity to help 
spread wealth around the world.
    In other words, if our economies don't grow, it's very difficult for 
African nations to grow. Because I remind you, I submit the only way for 
growth is for commerce and trade and capital to exchange across borders. 
So we do have a--but we've got to make sure our own economies grow. And 
part of the problem I think you're alluding to is the fact that our 
economy has slowed down.

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    And so we have--and I will talk about this, what we have done to, 
you know, enhance economic growth--one, we've got a tax stimulus package 
that's going to be kicking in here soon. I think the checks start 
actually going out this week. About $40 billion will be injected into 
our economy over the next 3 months in terms of rebates. So that should 
help bolster consumer activity.
    Secondly, the Fed has continued to act to cut rates. And whether 
they will or not in the future is up to Mr. Greenspan. It's an independent part of our Government.
    But nevertheless, I can safely say to our partners, we're taking 
steps necessary to make sure our economy recovers, and that includes, by 
the way, addressing energy. And needless to say, we had a very frank 
discussion about energy in my last trip to Europe, and I suspect we'll 
have another frank discussion about energy.
    One of the things--the Prime Minister of Canada and I have had a very interesting relationship, and one 
that will continue to grow, is over energy. He knows full well--and 
Canada, by the way, is now the largest supplier of energy to the United 
States, and there are some great opportunities for us to enhance natural 
gas deliverability into our country by cooperating in our own 
hemisphere.
    My only point is that I will assure my friends and our trading 
partners that we're doing our part to strengthen our economy, but we've 
got to work to make sure we reduce trade barriers in order for 
prosperity to continue.
    The strong dollar: The dollar is what it is based upon market. And 
the reason I say that is, our Government will not artificially enter 
markets. The market decides the strength of the dollar. And I would urge 
other countries, now, to do the same thing. A strong dollar has got, 
obviously, benefits and problems for us. One, it's harder to export, but 
it also helps attract capital. And much of our economy relies upon 
investors investing in the U.S. because of the dollar. And so we 
understand the pluses and minuses and, therefore, let the market 
determine the float of the dollar.
    I don't know if that answered your question properly.

Japan's Economy/Kyoto Protocol on Climate Change

    Q. My question is--I tried to follow up his question. So, Mr. 
President, you met Prime Minister Koizumi last month, and it was a very 
good meeting. But Prime Minister Koizumi tried hard to make serious 
structural reform, and then the Japanese economy continued to decline, 
and then the yen rate--the result is a weak yen and a stronger dollar. 
So, President, are you concerned about such a weak yen?
    And may I--President, my second part of the question is on Kyoto 
Protocol issues. And President, you know the Japanese Government have 
been trying to persuade the United States to participate in Kyoto 
agreement, but the U.S. is still reluctant to join. So my question is, 
what will be the U.S. reaction if Japan move forward to sign the Kyoto 
agreement without U.S. commitment to join the agreement?
    The President. Well, first I did have a great visit with your Prime 
Minister. I found him to be a very 
charming man and a courageous leader. He's tackling a very tough 
economic situation, a huge amount of debt. And he is willing to work 
hard to restructure and reform the economy so that there is, in fact, 
transparency and reality in the assessment of the Japanese economy. And 
I appreciate that a lot.
    I said in my statement with him at 
Camp David that we firmly stand with him on his reforms. And of course 
there may be a consequence as to the yen and dollar relationship, but 
the market ought to make that decision. I believe Japan--and we hope 
that Japan does restructure her economy and fully address the loans and 
the debt overhang in a very constructive, forthright manner. I believe 
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intends to do that, and I urge him and continue to encourage him to do 
so. And I appreciate his willingness to take on this very difficult 
issue, and I think the Japanese people appreciate that as well.
    Secondly, we also had a long discussion about Kyoto, as I have with 
many of the leaders around the world, and I made it clear to all the 
world leaders that our country supports the goals. We just have 
differences on the methodology. I reminded the people that we spend a 
lot of money on understanding global warming, that we approach the issue 
from a science-based perspective, that the goals are unrealistic, 
however, and that the United States Congress--Senate made it very clear 
that they were unrealistic with a 95-to-nothing vote and that my 
assessment of the situation was upfront.
    I explained to them as clearly as I could that our Nation will work 
to develop a strategy that other nations can understand clearly, but 
that they should make no mistake about it, that the idea of this 
particular treaty--of which there was a goal of--for example, setting a 
goal of carbon reductions by 1990--something less than the 1990 
emissions was something that our country was unable to withstand. You 
know, some leaders were more sympathetic than others, I must confess.
    Nevertheless, I do believe that people appreciated the frank 
assessment, and I believe they're going to appreciate the strategy that 
we lay out over time to help meet the needs. Each country has to make 
its own mind up as to how to proceed with this issue. Each country 
must--the parliaments of these countries must deliberate. The 
governments must be straightforward, it seems like to me, about the 
consequences. And we will see how other nations--I know how other 
nations have accepted my declaration; we'll see how they handle it with 
their own internal politics regarding this issue. But we can continue to 
cooperate and will cooperate on technology transfers.
    You know, a new generation of nuclear power and the capacity to be 
able to handle the waste in a technologically feasible way makes a lot 
of sense. And our Nation is more than willing to invest in new 
technologies and to look at how to make the world more clean. I reminded 
the ministers and the leaders that this also relates to energy. And as 
one of the trading partners, significant trading partners for many 
countries, it seems like the nations would want our economy to continue 
to grow. And yet, in order to do so, we must address our energy needs.
    There is a big debate in America right now about energy. But make no 
mistake about it, when you import nearly 60 percent of your product from 
overseas, that's a dependency upon foreign sources that can create 
instability.
    Secondly, we've got to find--and the State of California was the 
best in conservation in the Nation. They're the best at putting 
conservation practices in place, but they ran out of energy. And so on 
the one hand, we've got to do a better job of conservation, and we will. 
The Vice President has spent a lot of time 
talking about that. But we've got to find more energy. They hadn't built 
a powerplant in 12 years in the State of California. And guess what? 
When you grow your State the way they have--in other words, the demand 
increases the way it has and there is no supply, it creates a problem. 
And we've got to address that. And it must be--and I put this in the 
context of an environmental strategy. And the two go hand in hand as far 
as we're concerned.
    I talked very frankly to leaders around the table about the need for 
us to continue to come up with safe alternatives, safe disposal 
practices for nuclear energy. But our Nation needs to look into it, and 
so does the developing world, by the way, it seems like to me. And you 
know, some in Europe have a different perspective about nuclear energy. 
It's an important discussion, and we'll continue to consult with our 
friends.

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Russia and NATO/Russia-China Friendship Pact

    Q. First of all, I wanted to thank you for inviting us all in--it's 
a high--working in my life.
    President Putin yesterday suggested that he wants a new security 
structure in Europe that would either involve Russia in NATO or NATO 
disbanded and a new infrastructure with Russia in it. I wonder whether 
you think such integration can really be on the table.
    And also, the Russians and the Chinese have just concluded a new 
treaty on friendship. And both of those countries are firmly opposed to 
NMD, so I wonder if you are concerned about that issue.
    The President. I can understand nations that share a large border 
wanting to work on a friendship agreement. It makes sense to me.
    First, let me say, we did have a very constructive meeting in 
Slovenia. It was a very forthright, very straightforward, very open 
discussion about issues. And I made it very clear to Mr. Putin that Russia is no longer our Nation's enemy. And 
therefore, I don't think--the ``therefore'' of that is that we should 
not view each other with suspicion, that we ought to think seriously 
about working together to get rid of a document that codified a cold war 
distrust. That's what the ABM Treaty was. It was a document--when Russia 
and America divided the world into armed camps and we stared each other 
down with missiles.
    I've spoken very clearly to the President 
that it's time for new leadership to develop a new strategic framework 
for peace. The threats that the ABM Treaty addressed no longer exists--
no longer exists. There are new threats, new forms of terror: 
cyberterrorism, fundamentalist extremists, extremism that certainly 
threatens us, threatens Israel, who is our strong ally and friend, 
threatens Russia. We've got to deal with it, the threat in Europe, at 
some time, perhaps. We must deal with that issue. And one way to do that 
is coordinate security arrangements, is to talk about how to--as to how 
to deal with the new threats but also is to be able to have the capacity 
to rid the world of blackmail, terrorist blackmail.
    And so we had to have the capacity to shoot somebody's missile down 
if they threatened us. It's a defense, as opposed to relying on peace--
but with offensive weapons, why don't we think about developing 
defensive systems. So I've read with interest the statements--I've been 
reading with interest the statements by a lot of people.
    But this Nation, I'm committing this Nation to a more peaceful world 
by a realistic assessment of the threats. And we've got to address them, 
and I'm going to. And I continue to consult with our allies and friends, 
which I'm confident this topic will come up with Tony Blair. I look forward to explaining him my position. I did so 
with the Prime Minister; I have done so with the leaders of every nation 
represented here. I did so with Jean Chretien 
right here at this table during my first working dinner as the President 
of the United States. He sat right there, and we had this discussion.
    I explained to him the philosophy behind my attitudes. I firmly 
believe it's the right thing to keep the peace. And I look forward to a 
continued dialog starting next--whenever--Sunday, I guess it is, with 
Mr. Putin, on this very subject. I'm not 
going to speak for him, but I will tell you, he listened very carefully, 
and I appreciated that.
    Now, the other question was----
    Q. Can both sides belong to the same structure?
    The President. Oh, oh, oh, NATO. Well, first of all, his vision, he 
mentioned this in our press conference in Slovenia, as well. He talked 
about a NATO that might at some point include Russia. I think that's 
what he was saying. You know, I found that to be an interesting comment, 
something worth noting.

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    In the meantime, however, there is a round of NATO expansion--the 
practicality is, there's a round of NATO expansion next fall, a year 
from this coming fall, and I will reiterate what I said. It's not a 
matter of when--I mean, it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. 
And countries that are making progress toward democracy and working hard 
to conform to the action plan, we ought to be very forward-leaning 
toward those countries. I gave it very--you should read my speech.
    But I will tell you this: As Russia looks west, she finds no 
enemies. She finds no enemies. And that's the way it's going to be, so 
long as I'm the President.

Energy Policy in the Western Hemisphere

    Q. I know you like energy questions, so I'll throw a double-barreled 
energy question at you.
    The President. Thank you, sir. The Canadians are always good about 
double-barreling. [Laughter]
    Q. You've expressed a strong desire to get at the natural gas that's 
in the Northwest Territories. How do you reconcile that with the very 
intense political pressure to bring the gas south, through Alaska, 
bypassing the Canadian resources? And secondly, you've talked about a 
continental energy policy, energy pact. You've got free trades with 
NAFTA. Would a logical next step, given the United States' great need 
for water, be a water pact?
    The President. Very interesting. Let me start with the energy. What 
Barrie [Barrie McKenna, Toronto Globe and Mail] is referring to is, 
there are competing visions about how to get natural gas from a gas-
plentiful part of the world into American markets: One, an Alaska 
pipeline; and secondly, a Canadian pipeline--or perhaps a combination of 
the two. We've got a debate here in America about whether or not America 
ought to be exploring for natural gas in parts of our State of Alaska. 
It's very similar to the Northwest Territories in Canada.
    The Canadian Government has made--along, I might add, with the 
tribes in that part of the world--have made the decision that 
exploration for natural gas would not only be economically beneficial 
but can be done in a way that doesn't harm the environment. I agree with 
their assessment. Whether or not the United States is willing to think 
along the same lines is an open question that is still going to be 
debated in the United States Senate. Nevertheless, my attitude is, we 
need supply. And therefore, I have committed myself to working with the 
Canadian Government to figure out how to get natural gas into the United 
States.
    The quicker, the better, Barrie. And we are willing to work with 
your Government to figure out a way that can expeditiously move gas. 
He's referring--you know, obviously, to the extent that it would be an 
American pipeline, a pipeline on American soil would make it easier for 
me politically. Nevertheless, I'm a practical man; I want the gas here.
    We will continue to work on the Alaska pipeline. There are perhaps 
enough reserves to justify an Alaska pipeline. I know there's enough 
reserve to justify a Canadian line. It's conceivable we could have both, 
that would both feed the midwestern market and the western market.
    The second issue is hemispheric energy, and that really pertains 
to--I don't know if you know this, but Mexico is a net importer of gas. 
And so we've got all of us--three of us are continuing to meet on how 
best to make sure that all of us are able to fully explore the 
opportunities in the hemisphere. But so long as Mexico imports gas from 
America, it is gas that ultimately will be replaced by Canada in our 
market. And we've got to encourage Mexico, and I know that President 
Fox thinks this way, about enhancing exploration 
for what he calls ``dry gas'' in the country of Mexico.
    As well, we're working on electricity hookups. And one of the things 
that the Prime Minister and I have talked 
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the possibility of hydroelectric power generating in Canada, moving down 
through to particularly the Midwest. It requires a significant amount of 
capital outlay, but nevertheless, it's really worth the discussion.
    Water is--I'm from a part of the world where--where I grew up, there 
was no water. And at one time, when the price of international crude oil 
got down to around $10 a barrel, water was more valuable than oil, at 
least where we live. Water will forever be an issue in the United 
States, particularly the Western United States. I don't know exactly 
what you have in mind in terms of importation of water. I presume it's--
perhaps some have suggested abandoned pipelines that used to carry 
energy. That's a possibility. I would be open to any discussions.
    Our Nation must develop a comprehensive water strategy as we head--
particularly as these Western States continued to grow. You know, one 
big debate we have in America is whether or not we build more reservoir 
space, more water storage, above-ground water storage. It is a battle, 
needless to say, that pits local conservationists versus those with 
agricultural interests, for example. And I've looked forward to 
discussing this with the Prime Minister, 
should he want to bring it up, at any time, because water is valuable 
for a lot of our countries. A lot of people don't need it, but when you 
head south and west, we do need it.
    Q. Mr. President.
    The President. Patrice [Patrice DeBeer, Le Monde].

European Union-U.S. Relations

    Q. Yes. What is your vision, your master plan for U.S.-European 
relations, and more specifically, for U.S.-EU relations for 2008, until 
2008 when you leave this house? Maybe this would be----
    The President. I like an optimistic man. [Laughter]
    Q. I'm not voting.
    The President. But nevertheless, I appreciate it. [Laughter]
    Q. Maybe this would reassure all those who have questions about the 
U.S. strategy.
    The President. Well, I appreciate that. Yes. Look, when I first went 
to--my first trip to Europe was an icebreaker. You know, some of the 
leaders had come here, and we had visited. But a lot of folks had 
never--you know, they had read things about me, so they weren't able to 
hear my vision. They were told things through the newspapers; sometimes 
things were true, sometimes frankly not so true. But nevertheless, it 
gave me a chance to have a very honest dialog.
    Patrice, I think they realize that, one, my Nation is firmly 
committed to NATO, the expansion of NATO. Our commitment to NATO is 
real. One of the big issues--that's important for people's vision of the 
American role--very important.
    You know, during the course of the campaign, I made it clear that I 
thought that our military should be used to fight and win war--that's 
what I thought the military was for--and that I was concerned about 
peacekeeping missions and that we've got to be very clear about--to our 
friends and allies about how we use our troops for nation-building 
exercises, which I have rebuffed as a--basically rebuffed as a kind of a 
strategy for the military.
    And as a result of that, some in Europe were very concerned about 
our presence in the Balkans, for example. And the Secretary of 
State reiterated my position very clearly 
early in the administration, and I had the opportunity to do so: ``We 
came in together. We leave together.'' That's an important statement for 
people to understand, that our Nation will continue to work with our 
European friends--in this case, to bring stability to the Balkans and 
Macedonia. We're very much involved. We've got an Ambassador on the 
ground there working with the EU Ambassador to bring peace. There is a 
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being made. Our Nation is engaged and involved.
    Having said that, it's important, however, to continue to work, 
though, to replace troops in a responsible manner with civil 
institutions, civil structures that can do the same thing the troops are 
doing. We've got to work for a police force and security arrangements 
that are run locally, so that the NATO troops at some point in time will 
no longer serve as peacekeepers. Now, that's obviously more 
opportunistic to do that in Bosnia than it is in Kosovo at this point in 
time, but nevertheless, we must do so.
    In terms of the EU, I believe that we can have a very constructive 
relationship with the EU. Obviously, there are some concerns where we 
differ, but we shouldn't allow these differences--like biotechnology, 
for example, which I talked about today in my speech regarding 
developing nations. The U.N. came out--this is kind of an aside--the 
U.N. came out with a very interesting study that made it clear that 
biotech and biotechnology will enhance the ability of poor nations to 
grow more plentiful amounts of food. We agree with that position. And 
yet, we have a disagreement with our European friends on that, it seems 
like.
    Nevertheless, we shouldn't allow those disagreements to undermine 
and to kind of diminish the fact that we share the same values. And it's 
the values that unite--not just the history but the values that unite 
America with Europe. The values of freedom, free press--I emphasize free 
press being exercised right here in the Family Dining Room at the White 
House--free speech--it will be exercised in Genoa, I suspect--
[laughter]--free elections, free religion, basic values that we share. 
And our European friends, I believe, are beginning to understand that 
about me, that I respect Europe, I respect our history, but most of all, 
I respect the values of Europe, and that I will not let differences of 
opinion get in the way for the larger vision--and that is a Europe free 
and whole, a Europe expanded, and a Europe in partnership with America.
    And we'll have frank discussions. Look, the only thing I can do in 
these meetings, and I will do--I will just tell people what I think. I 
will represent my Government in a way that is forthright, transparent. 
People will know where we stand. And some will like it, and some won't 
like it. But they will always know that I will be willing to listen, 
discuss, and consult on issues of importance.
    And I think people will find that my lecture is--my manner is not 
lecturing; it's hopeful and optimistic. It is, I believe that we can--
I'm an optimistic man. I wouldn't be sitting here as the President if I 
didn't have an optimistic view of how we can work together.
    And secondly, I think people will find that, as I said today, that I 
do embrace a kind of compassionate conservatism in the international 
arena that recognizes that those of us who are fortunate have an 
obligation to help the developing nations, the sick.
    It is unbelievable that on my watch and on the watch of the other 
leaders around the table that Africa, for example, suffers the pandemic 
that it does. And we must come together, and we must take this issue 
incredibly seriously and work together to help develop--help Africans 
develop a strategy of education, treatment, and cure that will work, and 
help fund it, and crank up our NGOs to go help. And I think the people 
will see the strategy and----

Protests at Economic Summits

    Q. Does it look to you that these big meetings are increasingly 
being held behind armed camps? You were in Quebec City; WTO is going to 
meet in the desert. In Genoa, they're on a boat, some of them, and 
Canada is talking about making it on a mountaintop next year.
    The President. Let me say, I--in Quebec City, I don't know what 
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I would say clearly 95 percent of the people were there to stage a 
peaceful protest about a variety of issues. Some anarchists wanted to 
make it difficult for the Canadian Government to conduct a meeting.
    And in all due respect, those who try to disrupt and destroy and 
hurt are really defeating the cause of--their cause, it seems like to 
me. I think a lot of people in the world are just kind of sick of it. 
There is one thing to have an open dialog. It's another thing to try and 
hurt and destroy.
    You know, secondly, as I said, the people who are protesting are 
hurting the poorer nations. If they're trying to undo trade, it seems 
like to me, their strategy and their philosophy will lock people into 
poverty. And I strongly disagree with them, and I made that clear in a 
speech today. You need to get the exact wording in the transcript. 
[Laughter]
    There should be no question about my view, about what these voices 
of isolationism and protection are doing. They can couch it in any words 
they want, but they're condemning people to poverty, as far as I'm 
concerned. And you know what? They need to go and ask the people. Ask 
the African nations; ask what their hope is. Find out from the people 
that they're supposedly speaking on behalf of exactly what their opinion 
is, and they're going to find a different point of view.
    I thought Quebec City was--first of all, I got to see Quebec City in 
kind of a near-empty state, which was beautiful. It was a fantastic 
venue. But obviously, any time you're meeting and you've got issues to 
discuss and there is tear gas wafting through the air, it kind of 
changes the atmosphere somewhat. But that's not going to prevent me from 
having a good dialog with the leaders.
    The truth of the matter is, the discussions inside the halls of 
these buildings are fairly immune to what's going on. And the other 
thing is, there are some there, they just want to get their picture on 
TV. And TV cameras are powerful incentive.
    Thanks, everybody.

Argentina

    Q. Are you concerned about Argentina?
    The President. I am concerned about Argentina. I am concerned about 
Argentina, Marc [Marc Hujer, Suddeutsche Zeitung]. And our Nation is 
very much--you know, watching the situation very carefully. Late last 
night off the news--I'm sure the news reported--it looked like there was 
an agreement between the governors and the central government as to how 
to rein in spending, which is a very important step in a--direction that 
Argentina needs to go. We don't believe that the Argentinean situation--
first of all, we think if the de la Rua 
government continues to push for reform, we believe they can settle and 
calm the situation down so there is a platform for growth.
    We also are watching very carefully this whole notion of contagion 
and don't believe it's going to be contagious if, in fact, it doesn't go 
the way that we hope it goes. But yes, we're concerned about it. We're 
also watching Turkey very carefully, as well.
    Anyway, thanks. Enjoyed it.

Note: The interview began at 10:43 a.m. in the Old Family Dining Room at 
the White House, and the transcript was released by the Office of the 
Press Secretary on July 18. In his remarks, the President referred to 
former President Ernesto Zedillo of Mexico; Prime Minister Tony Blair of 
the United Kingdom; Prime Minister Bertie Ahern of Ireland; European 
Union Trade Commissioner Pascal Lamy; Prime Minister Jean Chretien of 
Canada; Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi of Japan; President Vladimir 
Putin of Russia; President Vicente Fox of Mexico; and President Fernando 
de la Rua of Argentina. Participants in the interview were: Patrice 
DeBeer, Le Monde; Ben

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MacIntyre, Times of London; Barrie McKenna, Toronto Globe and Mail; 
Maurizio Molinari, La Stampa; Marc Hujer, Suddeutsche Zeitung; Masanori 
Matsui, Nihon Keizai Shimbun; Andrei Sitov, TASS; Stephen Sackur, BBC-
TV; and Giulio Borrelli, RAI-TV. A tape was not available for 
verification of the content of this interview.