    [Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: George W. Bush (2001, Book II)]
    [July 17, 2001]
    [Pages 860-870]
    [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]

    Interview With Foreign Journalists
    July 17, 2001

        The President. I'll make a few comments. Did anybody hear what I
    said at the World Bank? Nobody? [Laughter] You're kidding me. I spend
    all this time writing this speech, and nobody listens.
        Here's what I said. I said that in Europe I talked about a house of
    freedom. I talked about opening doors; that means expanding freedom by
    enlarging NATO and the European Union. I also talked about opening
    windows, so that America, our allies, and friends can more clearly see
    the problems that face those who are the developing world.
        And so I laid out a strategy that I'm going to pursue in Genoa that,
    one, says that those of us who are prosperous must continue to put
    policies in place to enhance prosperity, lower taxes, less regulation,
    and free trade; secondly, that we have--must work together to develop a
    new security arrangement that will help address the

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    threats of the 21st century. In other words, prosperity for all must
    include a prosperous and stable world.
        Secondly, I talked about open trade. I firmly--I said clearly, as
    clearly as I could, that the protesters in Italy have the right to
    express their opinion in a peaceful way. But they hurt the case of the
    poor when they argue against trade; they hurt the opportunities for
    developing nations to grow. As I said, my friend Ernesto
    Zedillo put it well. He said, the thing that
    troubles him is that it's clear that the protesters don't want the
    developing nations----
        Assistant Press Secretary Mary Ellen Countryman. They want to protect the developing nations from
    development.
        The President. Yes. All I was going to say is, it's clear they don't
    want the developing nations to have access to development, and he's
    right.
        And thirdly, in order for developing nations to be able to succeed,
    our nations and our friends must work hard to enhance education, fight
    disease. I reminded folks that we were the first nation to step up with
    contribution to the HIV/AIDS fund. We're part of the strategy. We will
    put more in as the fund shows success. I believe you're going to see
    that, at the G-7, there will be a strong commitment for more
    contributions from nations represented here at the table. We contribute
    nearly a billion dollars a year in international aid to HIV/AIDS; that's
    more than double the second-largest donor in the world.
        I talked about the need for the World Bank and multilateral banks to
    have more grants for education and health, as opposed to loans. I said
    that our Nation will work to develop a teacher training program in
    Africa.
        My point is, is that part of enhancing world prosperity and world
    freedom--that those of us who are fortunate nations must work together
    to provide opportunity: trade, better health, and better education. That
    was my speech; I'm sorry you missed it. [Laughter]
        I'll be glad to answer a few questions.

    Northern Ireland Peace Process

        Q. I was going to kick off, as the British representative.
        As you know, the peace process in Northern Ireland is at a critical
    stage and facing possible disaster at the moment. The Irish Prime
    Minister, the Catholic Deputy Prime Minister of Northern Ireland,
    moderate voices in both north and south have no less than 40 editorials
    in the American newspapers, including in the Washington Post and the New
    York Times, have called for decommissioning of weapons. I quote the
    latest one--the Houston Chronicle put it: ``It is time, indeed, it is
    well past time for the IRA to honor its commitment to the Good Friday
    peace agreement by surrendering its weapons.''
        Is it now also time now for U.S., as you prepare to visit Britain,
    to help break the logjam by calling on Sinn Fein and its IRA associates
    to move on surrendering of weapons and bring back stability to Northern
    Ireland?
        The President. We strongly the support of Tony Blair and Bertie Ahern's attempts to
    enact the Good Friday agreement. And one of the crucial points is
    decommissioning. And my Government stands side by side with those two
    governments and those two leaders in urging all sides to decommission,
    to disarm, and to enact the Good Friday agreements.
        The situation in Northern Ireland is coming to a critical stage. I
    look forward to talking to my friend about the issue. As I said
    yesterday, I stand ready to help. But there should be no mistake that we
    believe the decommissioning part of the Good Friday agreement must be
    upheld.

    Upcoming Visit With Pope John Paul II

        Q. Mr. President, you're coming close to Italy and to the Holy See.

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        The President. Yes, I'm looking forward to it.
        Q. What do you expect from your first meeting with His Holiness the
    Pope, considering his position on abortions, stem cell, the death
    penalty?
        The President. Well, I expect to talk to a very principled man who
    speaks from strong convictions. And I look forward to being in the
    presence of a great world leader.
        In my speech in Warsaw, I reminded people that His Holiness and his
    influence had amazing effect on transforming--an amazing effect to
    encourage freedom. I believe--I truly believe he's a great world leader,
    and I appreciate his efforts of reconciliation and healing. In my
    country, the Holy Father has an enormous impact, because the leaders of
    the Catholic Church, for example, stand strong on the principle of life.
    They also stand strong on making sure that those who have no voice are
    heard. And I respect the Catholic Church; I respect the leadership. And
    I look forward to a very frank discussion.
        This will be my first chance to have met the Holy Father. It's not
    my first time to Rome, though.
        Q. Are you a little excited?
        The President. I'm very excited. You can't help but be excited and
    be thinking about being in the presence of a great leader, a man who has
    got such depth, such spiritual strength and depth. And he's had an
    enormous impact on the world.
        And so I look forward to that, and I also look forward to seeing
    Rome again. I was there to visit my daughter, who went to school at the
    American School in Rome for a 6-month period of time. Laura and I went
    over to visit her; I believe it was in the fall of '98, right after my
    reelection as Governor of Texas. We had a wonderful experience, and I'm
    looking forward to going back.

    Role of Market-Oriented Economies/Strength of the Dollar

        Q. Mr. President, the strong U.S. dollar is getting a real problem
    for the U.S. export industry. Are you worried about this? And a question
    related to this, the European countries a year ago, when they have been
    here at the IMF/World Bank meeting, they were talking about taking the
    role of an engine for the world economy. Do you think, or do you expect
    them to take this role, and, if, what do you think they're going to do?
        The President. If the IMF should take a strong role for----
        Q. No, the European countries taking a----
        The President. Well, I think this. I think that--let me answer the
    dollar question second.
        First, as to the role of market-oriented economies and democracies,
    we do have a role. And the first step is to make sure our economies are
    strong and that we trade freely between ourselves. That's why I urge--as
    a matter of fact today, if I'm not mistaken, the EU Trade
    Commissioner and Ambassador Zoellick, the trade commissioner for the U.S., are making a
    joint statement--if it's not today, it's soon--about the need to have a
    new global round of trade. In other words, I do believe that those of us
    who have got rule of law and transparency in our economies, who have got
    essentially market-oriented economies, have an opportunity to help
    spread wealth around the world.
        In other words, if our economies don't grow, it's very difficult for
    African nations to grow. Because I remind you, I submit the only way for
    growth is for commerce and trade and capital to exchange across borders.
    So we do have a--but we've got to make sure our own economies grow. And
    part of the problem I think you're alluding to is the fact that our
    economy has slowed down.

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        And so we have--and I will talk about this, what we have done to,
    you know, enhance economic growth--one, we've got a tax stimulus package
    that's going to be kicking in here soon. I think the checks start
    actually going out this week. About $40 billion will be injected into
    our economy over the next 3 months in terms of rebates. So that should
    help bolster consumer activity.
        Secondly, the Fed has continued to act to cut rates. And whether
    they will or not in the future is up to Mr. Greenspan. It's an independent part of our Government.
        But nevertheless, I can safely say to our partners, we're taking
    steps necessary to make sure our economy recovers, and that includes, by
    the way, addressing energy. And needless to say, we had a very frank
    discussion about energy in my last trip to Europe, and I suspect we'll
    have another frank discussion about energy.
        One of the things--the Prime Minister of Canada and I have had a very interesting relationship, and one
    that will continue to grow, is over energy. He knows full well--and
    Canada, by the way, is now the largest supplier of energy to the United
    States, and there are some great opportunities for us to enhance natural
    gas deliverability into our country by cooperating in our own
    hemisphere.
        My only point is that I will assure my friends and our trading
    partners that we're doing our part to strengthen our economy, but we've
    got to work to make sure we reduce trade barriers in order for
    prosperity to continue.
        The strong dollar: The dollar is what it is based upon market. And
    the reason I say that is, our Government will not artificially enter
    markets. The market decides the strength of the dollar. And I would urge
    other countries, now, to do the same thing. A strong dollar has got,
    obviously, benefits and problems for us. One, it's harder to export, but
    it also helps attract capital. And much of our economy relies upon
    investors investing in the U.S. because of the dollar. And so we
    understand the pluses and minuses and, therefore, let the market
    determine the float of the dollar.
        I don't know if that answered your question properly.

    Japan's Economy/Kyoto Protocol on Climate Change

        Q. My question is--I tried to follow up his question. So, Mr.
    President, you met Prime Minister Koizumi last month, and it was a very
    good meeting. But Prime Minister Koizumi tried hard to make serious
    structural reform, and then the Japanese economy continued to decline,
    and then the yen rate--the result is a weak yen and a stronger dollar.
    So, President, are you concerned about such a weak yen?
        And may I--President, my second part of the question is on Kyoto
    Protocol issues. And President, you know the Japanese Government have
    been trying to persuade the United States to participate in Kyoto
    agreement, but the U.S. is still reluctant to join. So my question is,
    what will be the U.S. reaction if Japan move forward to sign the Kyoto
    agreement without U.S. commitment to join the agreement?
        The President. Well, first I did have a great visit with your Prime
    Minister. I found him to be a very
    charming man and a courageous leader. He's tackling a very tough
    economic situation, a huge amount of debt. And he is willing to work
    hard to restructure and reform the economy so that there is, in fact,
    transparency and reality in the assessment of the Japanese economy. And
    I appreciate that a lot.
        I said in my statement with him at
    Camp David that we firmly stand with him on his reforms. And of course
    there may be a consequence as to the yen and dollar relationship, but
    the market ought to make that decision. I believe Japan--and we hope
    that Japan does restructure her economy and fully address the loans and
    the debt overhang in a very constructive, forthright manner. I believe
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    intends to do that, and I urge him and continue to encourage him to do
    so. And I appreciate his willingness to take on this very difficult
    issue, and I think the Japanese people appreciate that as well.
        Secondly, we also had a long discussion about Kyoto, as I have with
    many of the leaders around the world, and I made it clear to all the
    world leaders that our country supports the goals. We just have
    differences on the methodology. I reminded the people that we spend a
    lot of money on understanding global warming, that we approach the issue
    from a science-based perspective, that the goals are unrealistic,
    however, and that the United States Congress--Senate made it very clear
    that they were unrealistic with a 95-to-nothing vote and that my
    assessment of the situation was upfront.
        I explained to them as clearly as I could that our Nation will work
    to develop a strategy that other nations can understand clearly, but
    that they should make no mistake about it, that the idea of this
    particular treaty--of which there was a goal of--for example, setting a
    goal of carbon reductions by 1990--something less than the 1990
    emissions was something that our country was unable to withstand. You
    know, some leaders were more sympathetic than others, I must confess.
        Nevertheless, I do believe that people appreciated the frank
    assessment, and I believe they're going to appreciate the strategy that
    we lay out over time to help meet the needs. Each country has to make
    its own mind up as to how to proceed with this issue. Each country
    must--the parliaments of these countries must deliberate. The
    governments must be straightforward, it seems like to me, about the
    consequences. And we will see how other nations--I know how other
    nations have accepted my declaration; we'll see how they handle it with
    their own internal politics regarding this issue. But we can continue to
    cooperate and will cooperate on technology transfers.
        You know, a new generation of nuclear power and the capacity to be
    able to handle the waste in a technologically feasible way makes a lot
    of sense. And our Nation is more than willing to invest in new
    technologies and to look at how to make the world more clean. I reminded
    the ministers and the leaders that this also relates to energy. And as
    one of the trading partners, significant trading partners for many
    countries, it seems like the nations would want our economy to continue
    to grow. And yet, in order to do so, we must address our energy needs.
        There is a big debate in America right now about energy. But make no
    mistake about it, when you import nearly 60 percent of your product from
    overseas, that's a dependency upon foreign sources that can create
    instability.
        Secondly, we've got to find--and the State of California was the
    best in conservation in the Nation. They're the best at putting
    conservation practices in place, but they ran out of energy. And so on
    the one hand, we've got to do a better job of conservation, and we will.
    The Vice President has spent a lot of time
    talking about that. But we've got to find more energy. They hadn't built
    a powerplant in 12 years in the State of California. And guess what?
    When you grow your State the way they have--in other words, the demand
    increases the way it has and there is no supply, it creates a problem.
    And we've got to address that. And it must be--and I put this in the
    context of an environmental strategy. And the two go hand in hand as far
    as we're concerned.
        I talked very frankly to leaders around the table about the need for
    us to continue to come up with safe alternatives, safe disposal
    practices for nuclear energy. But our Nation needs to look into it, and
    so does the developing world, by the way, it seems like to me. And you
    know, some in Europe have a different perspective about nuclear energy.
    It's an important discussion, and we'll continue to consult with our
    friends.

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    Russia and NATO/Russia-China Friendship Pact

        Q. First of all, I wanted to thank you for inviting us all in--it's
    a high--working in my life.
        President Putin yesterday suggested that he wants a new security
    structure in Europe that would either involve Russia in NATO or NATO
    disbanded and a new infrastructure with Russia in it. I wonder whether
    you think such integration can really be on the table.
        And also, the Russians and the Chinese have just concluded a new
    treaty on friendship. And both of those countries are firmly opposed to
    NMD, so I wonder if you are concerned about that issue.
        The President. I can understand nations that share a large border
    wanting to work on a friendship agreement. It makes sense to me.
        First, let me say, we did have a very constructive meeting in
    Slovenia. It was a very forthright, very straightforward, very open
    discussion about issues. And I made it very clear to Mr. Putin that Russia is no longer our Nation's enemy. And
    therefore, I don't think--the ``therefore'' of that is that we should
    not view each other with suspicion, that we ought to think seriously
    about working together to get rid of a document that codified a cold war
    distrust. That's what the ABM Treaty was. It was a document--when Russia
    and America divided the world into armed camps and we stared each other
    down with missiles.
        I've spoken very clearly to the President
    that it's time for new leadership to develop a new strategic framework
    for peace. The threats that the ABM Treaty addressed no longer exists--
    no longer exists. There are new threats, new forms of terror:
    cyberterrorism, fundamentalist extremists, extremism that certainly
    threatens us, threatens Israel, who is our strong ally and friend,
    threatens Russia. We've got to deal with it, the threat in Europe, at
    some time, perhaps. We must deal with that issue. And one way to do that
    is coordinate security arrangements, is to talk about how to--as to how
    to deal with the new threats but also is to be able to have the capacity
    to rid the world of blackmail, terrorist blackmail.
        And so we had to have the capacity to shoot somebody's missile down
    if they threatened us. It's a defense, as opposed to relying on peace--
    but with offensive weapons, why don't we think about developing
    defensive systems. So I've read with interest the statements--I've been
    reading with interest the statements by a lot of people.
        But this Nation, I'm committing this Nation to a more peaceful world
    by a realistic assessment of the threats. And we've got to address them,
    and I'm going to. And I continue to consult with our allies and friends,
    which I'm confident this topic will come up with Tony Blair. I look forward to explaining him my position. I did so
    with the Prime Minister; I have done so with the leaders of every nation
    represented here. I did so with Jean Chretien
    right here at this table during my first working dinner as the President
    of the United States. He sat right there, and we had this discussion.
        I explained to him the philosophy behind my attitudes. I firmly
    believe it's the right thing to keep the peace. And I look forward to a
    continued dialog starting next--whenever--Sunday, I guess it is, with
    Mr. Putin, on this very subject. I'm not
    going to speak for him, but I will tell you, he listened very carefully,
    and I appreciated that.
        Now, the other question was----
        Q. Can both sides belong to the same structure?
        The President. Oh, oh, oh, NATO. Well, first of all, his vision, he
    mentioned this in our press conference in Slovenia, as well. He talked
    about a NATO that might at some point include Russia. I think that's
    what he was saying. You know, I found that to be an interesting comment,
    something worth noting.

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        In the meantime, however, there is a round of NATO expansion--the
    practicality is, there's a round of NATO expansion next fall, a year
    from this coming fall, and I will reiterate what I said. It's not a
    matter of when--I mean, it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.
    And countries that are making progress toward democracy and working hard
    to conform to the action plan, we ought to be very forward-leaning
    toward those countries. I gave it very--you should read my speech.
        But I will tell you this: As Russia looks west, she finds no
    enemies. She finds no enemies. And that's the way it's going to be, so
    long as I'm the President.

    Energy Policy in the Western Hemisphere

        Q. I know you like energy questions, so I'll throw a double-barreled
    energy question at you.
        The President. Thank you, sir. The Canadians are always good about
    double-barreling. [Laughter]
        Q. You've expressed a strong desire to get at the natural gas that's
    in the Northwest Territories. How do you reconcile that with the very
    intense political pressure to bring the gas south, through Alaska,
    bypassing the Canadian resources? And secondly, you've talked about a
    continental energy policy, energy pact. You've got free trades with
    NAFTA. Would a logical next step, given the United States' great need
    for water, be a water pact?
        The President. Very interesting. Let me start with the energy. What
    Barrie [Barrie McKenna, Toronto Globe and Mail] is referring to is,
    there are competing visions about how to get natural gas from a gas-
    plentiful part of the world into American markets: One, an Alaska
    pipeline; and secondly, a Canadian pipeline--or perhaps a combination of
    the two. We've got a debate here in America about whether or not America
    ought to be exploring for natural gas in parts of our State of Alaska.
    It's very similar to the Northwest Territories in Canada.
        The Canadian Government has made--along, I might add, with the
    tribes in that part of the world--have made the decision that
    exploration for natural gas would not only be economically beneficial
    but can be done in a way that doesn't harm the environment. I agree with
    their assessment. Whether or not the United States is willing to think
    along the same lines is an open question that is still going to be
    debated in the United States Senate. Nevertheless, my attitude is, we
    need supply. And therefore, I have committed myself to working with the
    Canadian Government to figure out how to get natural gas into the United
    States.
        The quicker, the better, Barrie. And we are willing to work with
    your Government to figure out a way that can expeditiously move gas.
    He's referring--you know, obviously, to the extent that it would be an
    American pipeline, a pipeline on American soil would make it easier for
    me politically. Nevertheless, I'm a practical man; I want the gas here.
        We will continue to work on the Alaska pipeline. There are perhaps
    enough reserves to justify an Alaska pipeline. I know there's enough
    reserve to justify a Canadian line. It's conceivable we could have both,
    that would both feed the midwestern market and the western market.
        The second issue is hemispheric energy, and that really pertains
    to--I don't know if you know this, but Mexico is a net importer of gas.
    And so we've got all of us--three of us are continuing to meet on how
    best to make sure that all of us are able to fully explore the
    opportunities in the hemisphere. But so long as Mexico imports gas from
    America, it is gas that ultimately will be replaced by Canada in our
    market. And we've got to encourage Mexico, and I know that President
    Fox thinks this way, about enhancing exploration
    for what he calls ``dry gas'' in the country of Mexico.
        As well, we're working on electricity hookups. And one of the things
    that the Prime Minister and I have talked
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    the possibility of hydroelectric power generating in Canada, moving down
    through to particularly the Midwest. It requires a significant amount of
    capital outlay, but nevertheless, it's really worth the discussion.
        Water is--I'm from a part of the world where--where I grew up, there
    was no water. And at one time, when the price of international crude oil
    got down to around $10 a barrel, water was more valuable than oil, at
    least where we live. Water will forever be an issue in the United
    States, particularly the Western United States. I don't know exactly
    what you have in mind in terms of importation of water. I presume it's--
    perhaps some have suggested abandoned pipelines that used to carry
    energy. That's a possibility. I would be open to any discussions.
        Our Nation must develop a comprehensive water strategy as we head--
    particularly as these Western States continued to grow. You know, one
    big debate we have in America is whether or not we build more reservoir
    space, more water storage, above-ground water storage. It is a battle,
    needless to say, that pits local conservationists versus those with
    agricultural interests, for example. And I've looked forward to
    discussing this with the Prime Minister,
    should he want to bring it up, at any time, because water is valuable
    for a lot of our countries. A lot of people don't need it, but when you
    head south and west, we do need it.
        Q. Mr. President.
        The President. Patrice [Patrice DeBeer, Le Monde].

    European Union-U.S. Relations

        Q. Yes. What is your vision, your master plan for U.S.-European
    relations, and more specifically, for U.S.-EU relations for 2008, until
    2008 when you leave this house? Maybe this would be----
        The President. I like an optimistic man. [Laughter]
        Q. I'm not voting.
        The President. But nevertheless, I appreciate it. [Laughter]
        Q. Maybe this would reassure all those who have questions about the
    U.S. strategy.
        The President. Well, I appreciate that. Yes. Look, when I first went
    to--my first trip to Europe was an icebreaker. You know, some of the
    leaders had come here, and we had visited. But a lot of folks had
    never--you know, they had read things about me, so they weren't able to
    hear my vision. They were told things through the newspapers; sometimes
    things were true, sometimes frankly not so true. But nevertheless, it
    gave me a chance to have a very honest dialog.
        Patrice, I think they realize that, one, my Nation is firmly
    committed to NATO, the expansion of NATO. Our commitment to NATO is
    real. One of the big issues--that's important for people's vision of the
    American role--very important.
        You know, during the course of the campaign, I made it clear that I
    thought that our military should be used to fight and win war--that's
    what I thought the military was for--and that I was concerned about
    peacekeeping missions and that we've got to be very clear about--to our
    friends and allies about how we use our troops for nation-building
    exercises, which I have rebuffed as a--basically rebuffed as a kind of a
    strategy for the military.
        And as a result of that, some in Europe were very concerned about
    our presence in the Balkans, for example. And the Secretary of
    State reiterated my position very clearly
    early in the administration, and I had the opportunity to do so: ``We
    came in together. We leave together.'' That's an important statement for
    people to understand, that our Nation will continue to work with our
    European friends--in this case, to bring stability to the Balkans and
    Macedonia. We're very much involved. We've got an Ambassador on the
    ground there working with the EU Ambassador to bring peace. There is a
    cease-fire. Progress is

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    being made. Our Nation is engaged and involved.
        Having said that, it's important, however, to continue to work,
    though, to replace troops in a responsible manner with civil
    institutions, civil structures that can do the same thing the troops are
    doing. We've got to work for a police force and security arrangements
    that are run locally, so that the NATO troops at some point in time will
    no longer serve as peacekeepers. Now, that's obviously more
    opportunistic to do that in Bosnia than it is in Kosovo at this point in
    time, but nevertheless, we must do so.
        In terms of the EU, I believe that we can have a very constructive
    relationship with the EU. Obviously, there are some concerns where we
    differ, but we shouldn't allow these differences--like biotechnology,
    for example, which I talked about today in my speech regarding
    developing nations. The U.N. came out--this is kind of an aside--the
    U.N. came out with a very interesting study that made it clear that
    biotech and biotechnology will enhance the ability of poor nations to
    grow more plentiful amounts of food. We agree with that position. And
    yet, we have a disagreement with our European friends on that, it seems
    like.
        Nevertheless, we shouldn't allow those disagreements to undermine
    and to kind of diminish the fact that we share the same values. And it's
    the values that unite--not just the history but the values that unite
    America with Europe. The values of freedom, free press--I emphasize free
    press being exercised right here in the Family Dining Room at the White
    House--free speech--it will be exercised in Genoa, I suspect--
    [laughter]--free elections, free religion, basic values that we share.
    And our European friends, I believe, are beginning to understand that
    about me, that I respect Europe, I respect our history, but most of all,
    I respect the values of Europe, and that I will not let differences of
    opinion get in the way for the larger vision--and that is a Europe free
    and whole, a Europe expanded, and a Europe in partnership with America.
        And we'll have frank discussions. Look, the only thing I can do in
    these meetings, and I will do--I will just tell people what I think. I
    will represent my Government in a way that is forthright, transparent.
    People will know where we stand. And some will like it, and some won't
    like it. But they will always know that I will be willing to listen,
    discuss, and consult on issues of importance.
        And I think people will find that my lecture is--my manner is not
    lecturing; it's hopeful and optimistic. It is, I believe that we can--
    I'm an optimistic man. I wouldn't be sitting here as the President if I
    didn't have an optimistic view of how we can work together.
        And secondly, I think people will find that, as I said today, that I
    do embrace a kind of compassionate conservatism in the international
    arena that recognizes that those of us who are fortunate have an
    obligation to help the developing nations, the sick.
        It is unbelievable that on my watch and on the watch of the other
    leaders around the table that Africa, for example, suffers the pandemic
    that it does. And we must come together, and we must take this issue
    incredibly seriously and work together to help develop--help Africans
    develop a strategy of education, treatment, and cure that will work, and
    help fund it, and crank up our NGOs to go help. And I think the people
    will see the strategy and----

    Protests at Economic Summits

        Q. Does it look to you that these big meetings are increasingly
    being held behind armed camps? You were in Quebec City; WTO is going to
    meet in the desert. In Genoa, they're on a boat, some of them, and
    Canada is talking about making it on a mountaintop next year.
        The President. Let me say, I--in Quebec City, I don't know what
    percentage, but

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    I would say clearly 95 percent of the people were there to stage a
    peaceful protest about a variety of issues. Some anarchists wanted to
    make it difficult for the Canadian Government to conduct a meeting.
        And in all due respect, those who try to disrupt and destroy and
    hurt are really defeating the cause of--their cause, it seems like to
    me. I think a lot of people in the world are just kind of sick of it.
    There is one thing to have an open dialog. It's another thing to try and
    hurt and destroy.
        You know, secondly, as I said, the people who are protesting are
    hurting the poorer nations. If they're trying to undo trade, it seems
    like to me, their strategy and their philosophy will lock people into
    poverty. And I strongly disagree with them, and I made that clear in a
    speech today. You need to get the exact wording in the transcript.
    [Laughter]
        There should be no question about my view, about what these voices
    of isolationism and protection are doing. They can couch it in any words
    they want, but they're condemning people to poverty, as far as I'm
    concerned. And you know what? They need to go and ask the people. Ask
    the African nations; ask what their hope is. Find out from the people
    that they're supposedly speaking on behalf of exactly what their opinion
    is, and they're going to find a different point of view.
        I thought Quebec City was--first of all, I got to see Quebec City in
    kind of a near-empty state, which was beautiful. It was a fantastic
    venue. But obviously, any time you're meeting and you've got issues to
    discuss and there is tear gas wafting through the air, it kind of
    changes the atmosphere somewhat. But that's not going to prevent me from
    having a good dialog with the leaders.
        The truth of the matter is, the discussions inside the halls of
    these buildings are fairly immune to what's going on. And the other
    thing is, there are some there, they just want to get their picture on
    TV. And TV cameras are powerful incentive.
        Thanks, everybody.

    Argentina

        Q. Are you concerned about Argentina?
        The President. I am concerned about Argentina. I am concerned about
    Argentina, Marc [Marc Hujer, Suddeutsche Zeitung]. And our Nation is
    very much--you know, watching the situation very carefully. Late last
    night off the news--I'm sure the news reported--it looked like there was
    an agreement between the governors and the central government as to how
    to rein in spending, which is a very important step in a--direction that
    Argentina needs to go. We don't believe that the Argentinean situation--
    first of all, we think if the de la Rua
    government continues to push for reform, we believe they can settle and
    calm the situation down so there is a platform for growth.
        We also are watching very carefully this whole notion of contagion
    and don't believe it's going to be contagious if, in fact, it doesn't go
    the way that we hope it goes. But yes, we're concerned about it. We're
    also watching Turkey very carefully, as well.
        Anyway, thanks. Enjoyed it.

    Note: The interview began at 10:43 a.m. in the Old Family Dining Room at
    the White House, and the transcript was released by the Office of the
    Press Secretary on July 18. In his remarks, the President referred to
    former President Ernesto Zedillo of Mexico; Prime Minister Tony Blair of
    the United Kingdom; Prime Minister Bertie Ahern of Ireland; European
    Union Trade Commissioner Pascal Lamy; Prime Minister Jean Chretien of
    Canada; Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi of Japan; President Vladimir
    Putin of Russia; President Vicente Fox of Mexico; and President Fernando
    de la Rua of Argentina. Participants in the interview were: Patrice
    DeBeer, Le Monde; Ben

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    MacIntyre, Times of London; Barrie McKenna, Toronto Globe and Mail;
    Maurizio Molinari, La Stampa; Marc Hujer, Suddeutsche Zeitung; Masanori
    Matsui, Nihon Keizai Shimbun; Andrei Sitov, TASS; Stephen Sackur, BBC-
    TV; and Giulio Borrelli, RAI-TV. A tape was not available for
    verification of the content of this interview.