    [Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: George W. Bush (2001, Book II)]
    [August 25, 2001]
    [Pages 1029-1043]
    [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]

    Exchange With Reporters During a Tour of the Bush Ranch in Crawford
    August 25, 2001

    Ranch Tour

        Q. Shouldn't you be doing that with an ax?
        The President. I've got my earplugs in.
        Q. Oh, lucky.
        The President. What?
        Q. I was just asking, shouldn't you be doing that with an ax?
        The President. No, that was Abraham Lincoln.
        Q. My mistake.
        The President. I'll tell you what we ought to do. What we're doing
    is, we're cleaning this out. We're making a trail from the top to come
    down, over here. Do you all want to walk in here? It's kind of neat in
    here. These cliffs are pretty unusual from this perspective. And then--
    this is a very long canyon. I'll take you down, if you want to see where
    the mouth of the canyon is, and the trail was cut up in here. And then
    I've got another canyon, right next door, if you'd like to see that,
    that we've improved. It will give you a flavor for the ranch.
        But what we're trying to do is to make these really beautiful
    cutouts available for anybody who wants to walk up in here. I think
    you'll see that we make them pretty accessible without disturbing the
    natural beauty of the place.
        If you want the details, that was a dead hackberry. H-a-c-k--
    [Laughter]
        Q. He's writing it down.
        The President. Anyway, what will happen is, is that when the rainy
    season comes--this all gets damp in here--we'll fire up this pile of
    leaves and stuff and burn it. This canyon--you can see, behind you, all
    the erosion--this gets a lot of water coming through here. There's seven
    of these on the ranch, and when it rains, these all flow down toward the
    bottoms. Eventually, in this case, these canyons feed into the middle
    fork of the Bosque River. The guy from A&M we had out here, he spotted
    about 17 or 18 different variety of hardwood down below.
        So what do you want to do?
        Q. Come down.
        The President. Come on down here, or do you want to start from the
    bottom and walk up? We'll start from the bottom and walk up. I've got
    room for five people. We'll get the scribblers, AP and Reuters.
        Q. Thank you.

    [At this point, the tour continued. When the transcript resumed, the
    President's remarks were joined in progress.]

        The President. ----just use the cedar that we cut. Used a crowbar to
    dig the hole. We'll put another one below and then make sure the steps
    are--I've got a little more work. Do you see those two? Those are dead
    right there. Those are ash. Do you see the two trees there, the dead
    trees? I'll cut them out.
        And so basically, what we've been doing in here, is we've been
    cutting out the dead trees, the trees that have fallen down, and some
    undergrowth, just to open it up, so that when you sit out here for a
    picnic, you've got a pretty good view of this beautiful canyon.
        Q. Are you trying to make a hiking trail for people to use?
        The President. Yes.

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        Q. Now would the doctor and the nurse both normally be here, or is
    it the chainsaw that brought them out?
        The President. No, they're with me--like when I ran this morning,
    they were here. They go everywhere I go on the ranch.
        Q. Not that they don't trust you with a chainsaw, huh?
        The President. Well, they don't trust me with my running, either.
    [Laughter]
        Q. Won't the rain erode the trail? How do you stop that?
        The President. Pardon me?
        Q. The rain--won't the water erode the trail? Do you have to keep
    redoing it?
        The President. No, actually we're not going to put it on the creek
    bottom. You'll see, there's a series of flats, as you come up the
    canyon. The canyon is not uniformly steep. And so there will be--one
    side of the canyon will be steep, and the other side will be relatively
    flat. We've cut out a trail, mainly cedars. Cedars are a--you know, some
    of the big stands of cedars are important, because they become nesting
    materials for things like the golden-cheeked warbler, although we don't
    have any on this property. On the other hand, the little cedars, they
    crowd up on these beautiful hardwood, and they soak in a lot of water. I
    mean, they take 30 percent of the water, more or less, that is taken in
    by these trees, are taken in by cedar. And cedar is just a plague of a
    lot of places around Texas.
        Q. What did you mean when you said you burn it?
        The President. It means, we take a match----
        Q. I know that, but isn't there a risk of spreading fire?
        The President. No, in the rainy season, the wet season.
        Q. In the rainy season. I see.
        The President. Right now you can't burn because there's a burn ban.
    And obviously, we'll honor the burn ban.

    [The tour continued.]

        The President. The thing about this--this is kind of a transition
    zone. And see how close the rock is to the surface here? This is
    basement rock. And as you come from the southwest part of the ranch,
    where you come in, this way, the soil obviously thins. And so it goes
    from pretty good hay country and crop country--there's a corn field
    right next to our neighbor's pasture. The property is only good for
    grazing, and it's pretty thin at that. But because the rock is so close
    to the surface, it enabled--there was a series of eroding activities
    that caused these canyons. And there's about 3\1/2\ miles of lowland.
    You drop off about 90 foot from here down to where we're going.
        And so it's a whole other world that you--the closest thing you can
    tell about this ranch, when you drive in here is--you know that dip when
    you're coming in, what they call Bluff Creek? Have you seen the cliffs?
        Q. When you bought this property, and you saw that land, did you
    decide that you wanted to turn those all into hiking trails?
        The President. Oh, yes. Look, this place has got so much variety on
    it, and it is a unique piece of property for Texas. You'll see the trees
    down here. They're really big and magnificent trees. I mean, I fell in
    love with it the minute I saw it. But I also knew I was going to have
    to--get to do a lot of work, not have to. I really like this. I like
    being out here. I like spending a lot of time outside.
        Q. Have you been doing this every day, working on this trail?
        The President. No, not every day. Like, I didn't yesterday. The
    military folks didn't leave until about 5 p.m. yesterday.
        Q. You could have handed them a chainsaw and asked them to help.
        The President. Exactly. Let me take you up to this one finished
    product first. I think you'll find this interesting.
        Q. How far away from your house?
        The President. We're about a mile--this is the--not necessarily as
    the crow flies, but this is the 3-mile marker on a rut of

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    mine, right up here. But I--you had to have gone in kind of a----
        Q. Meander around?
        The President. Yes, meander around a little bit.
        This is the beginning of a very long pasture that--I say long--it's
    two-thirds of a mile. But just to give you a feel for it, these cedar
    elms, interspersed with pecan and different types of oaks--you see the
    size of the cedar elms up there? And you can see that the pasture's been
    well maintained over time, and it goes for a long way. I think this is
    a----
        Q. So do you have livestock grazing out here?
        The President. Yes, we do, sure do. I don't own it, but the guy--Ken
    Engelbrecht does.
        This is a bur oak. This is a very rare--not rare, it's just a
    beautiful oak tree, this thing right here, and it produces these
    magnificent burs. This is a live oak here.
        Q. So the horticulturist has already been out here?
        The President. Yes, we had a--Thursday, two guys from A&M came out,
    and we had a really good visit. By the way, there was another pasture
    beyond there that really is pretty.
        This is what we call the cathedral. This is where--hey, look,
    average campers. [Laughter]
        Q. What do you know?
        The President. I'm interested in these trees. This place, you learn
    to fall in love with trees.

    [The tour continued.]

        The President. I tell you--this is the area we call the cathedral.
    The only thing I suggest, the camera dogs, look for three-leaved plants
    and avoid them.
        Q. Poison ivy?
        The President. It's called poison ivy.
        So I'd finished a long run one day. It was pretty wet, and I started
    walking up. And I heard this trickle, sound of running water. And it
    turns out this is a waterfall when it rains. And it pools--the water
    pools right--you're welcome to walk up there.
        Anyway, be careful of poison ivy if you have shorts on.
        Q. What about snakes?
        The President. You're okay for snakes. Avoid this plant right here.
    Like you.
        Q. I'm not allergic.
        The President. You're not? Then you're in good shape.
        Where are my writers? Oh, there you are.
        Q. We got run over.
        The President. You can come in here.
        Anyway, this fills up with water when it's raining. So this comes
    over here, trickles there, fills up water, so you've got a nice little
    pool. Eventually it fills up, and it starts moving down, and it makes a
    nice little stream. I've seen fox in here. I've seen all kinds of birds.
    It's a wonderful spot to come up in here and just kind of think about
    the budget. [Laughter] I mean----
        Q. I thought you'd rather think about that with the chainsaw.
        The President. That's exactly right. Very good, Patsy [Patricia
    Wilson, Reuters]. I wish I'd thought of that.
        There are seven canyons like this. You've seen two of them. This
    obviously is a more shallow canyon, but it's very dramatic when you get
    to the end. And then the one that you were seeing there, it's a
    wonderful picnic spot because it's got a natural amphitheater to it.
    Then if you'd like, I can walk you up, to just give you a feel for what
    one of these long canyons is like. We've cut a little trail up in there.
    The walking's a little difficult because we haven't had a chance to burn
    the piles that we've cut.
        This is an amazing place in here.
        Q. So what do you do? You come out here, and----
        The President. I've come out here--you know, I come out here some.
    And you know, you don't want to get out here from

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    about right now until about 4 p.m., because----
        Q. It's so hot, yes.
        The President. It's like an oven.
        Q. So in the morning, you'll get up----
        The President. We'll get up early. Today the sunrise was
    magnificent.
        Q. So you'll come and watch the sunrise?
        The President. Well, we walked--actually, this morning I ran 3\1/2\
    miles, and walked. And then Laura and Condi
    Rice and two of our house guests, they
    walked 4\1/2\. It was just magnificent--started about 7 this morning.
        I'll work out here until around noon. We've got three couples as
    house guests. Beth, the barber from Austin, is coming out. She'll want
    to see this place, so I'll give her a tour. I want to look good for the
    Little League World Series tomorrow--the Hall of Fame induction
    ceremony.

    Little League

        Q. Oh, that's right.
        Q. What were your stats?
        The President. You know, I'd better not give them to you, because
    somebody will dig them out and find that it wasn't accurate. I was a
    pretty good player. I was a catcher on the Cubs, the Midland Cubs. As I
    said, I peaked in Little League.
        Q. Were you Hall of Fame quality?
        The President. Little League? Well, I qualified by the fact that I
    was the first President ever to play Little League baseball. I think
    that's--you know, first guy to hit 60 home runs, first guy to actually
    put the uniform on. What the heck? What's the difference?

    [The tour continued.]

    Ranch Tour

        Q. So how many hours a day are you out here?
        The President. About 3. But I've had the full day already. I got up
    at 5:45 a.m., read all the stuff I needed to read, and then took off at
    about 7 a.m. with a little run, got back to the house about 7:45 a.m.,
    and we had a CIA briefing for an hour and a national security briefing.
    Both of them took an hour. Then we came down here and started working.
    And this will be it. Probably finish about 12:15 p.m. or so.
        Q. So, you're so in your element here. Are you dreading going back
    to Washington?
        The President. No. Life is a series of contrasts. And I like it here
    a lot--I really do--and I am in my element here. We really like it. But
    I also like--I wouldn't have run for President if I didn't like the
    challenge and the give-and-take and the sense of accomplishment. Plus,
    we like living in the White House. It's a nice place to live, as they
    say in Crawford.
        Q. I know, but I think when people see you out here, who haven't
    been to the ranch before--a lot of us haven't--now we sort of get it.
        The President. Get a feel for it, yes.
        Q. I mean, get why you guys come down here so much.
        The President. Well, it's our home, and we love it here. You know,
    I'll come back--Vladimir Putin's coming out
    here, so I'll be back relatively quickly. I've got a lot of work to do
    in Washington. I'm looking forward to going back. I've just got a lot to
    do. As a matter of fact, I'll be at my desk on Friday, presuming they've
    got the White House--the Oval Office refurbish completed.

    [The tour continued.]

    Hunting

        Q. Now, do you go hunting on the ranch?
        The President. I don't--I don't hunt deer. But I do hunt dove, and I
    have hunted dove. We don't have any quail. And I don't want to shoot the
    turkeys. I like turkeys. But we let people come and thin out the deer. A
    ranch can overpopulate with deer.
        All right, we're moving. This is the mouth of the canyon, where you
    all were, up top.

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    [The tour continued.]

    Ranch Tour

        The President. We're trying to keep people out of the riverbed--out
    of the creekbed, so if there's water here, there's a trail. And where it
    gets--where the crossings are relatively deep, we'll build a kind of
    bridge.
        Anyway, you can kind of get a feel. These little cleared-out areas
    now, they'll be full of windflowers in the spring. And the greens will
    come out. This place was emerald green in the spring. I mean, it's hard
    to envision, and you probably think I'm exaggerating, but we had enough
    rain to really green this place up. It was spectacular.
        And these canyons will be full of flowers. And some of these trees
    are flowering trees. The whole purpose is to make it accessible. What we
    just walked across would not have been accessible, unless you wanted to
    cut your arms up on the brambles, that are--like these things. There's a
    bunch of them around here that--so the idea is to smooth it out. Cut it
    out first, like we've done, and then burn it. And then we'll come out
    here, and where it's needed, we'll kind of try to smooth it up. Probably
    drive some Gators up in there, which are these John Deere, Jeep-looking
    things, to try to make the path easier. But even though it's hot, at
    least you're not having to cut through a bunch of brush to get up in
    here. Anyway, we can keep going, if you like.
        Q. How long did it take you to clear this whole area out?
        The President. It took us about 5 days. We're not through yet,
    either. See these things? These are the things you've got to be real
    careful about. And we need to get rid of those. They make it hard for
    people to--you can see, like in here, these were all cedar, young
    cedars. Not only do they take the water away from these trees, but they
    made it impossible--and these thorns grow up in them, and so it makes it
    kind of jungly.
        This area here--we're going to drive up in here, be able to drive
    these things up here. We'll clear it out and probably build a little
    bridge across here, big enough for a John Deere Gator.
        We can keep going if you want. I mean, we've got a little ways to
    go. This will give you a feel for what it's like. It's up to you all.
        Q. Sure.
        Q. Yes, we'd like to.
        The President. Good with me.
        The other thing is, in the winter, a lot of times of the year,
    winter and early spring, you can imagine this is beautiful. And see
    these cliffs in here? So this is like you're in a bowl. This side is a
    little more gentle. This side's a little more steep, here. The base of
    the cliff--the cliffs are really beautiful, aren't they?
        These are where the Indians came up. They would come up--the Tonkawa
    Indians would bring their horses up the middle fork of the Bosque, and
    they would run them up a canyon like this. And you can see where we
    were, at the end of the canyon. And it's a pretty sheltered area. If
    there's any water, there would be pools of water in there. But this is
    where they supposedly ran their horses.
        Q. And this will all be a running creek in the spring?
        The President. Yes, when it rains. It's beautiful.
        Q. When do you expect--I mean, what months does is start filling up?
        The President. Well, we don't know. I'll drive you out of here and
    show you one other part of the ranch. We've got a mile and a half of
    Rainey Creek. It's a much bigger creek. It's still got some pools of
    water in there.

    [The tour continued.]

        The President. All right, this is--see where we are?
        Q. Is this coming up on the cathedral, on another angle?

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        The President. That's where you all were standing, up top.
        Q. Oh, the first one?
        The President. Yes. This is fairly typical of what this place could
    look like, if we didn't make it easier to--we cut some of this out, and
    we already stacked it. But that's where you all were standing, up there.
        And the idea is to be able to walk up from the bottom or get down
    from the top. It's a beautiful--area. But this is also to make it easy
    for people to walk through here. It's kind of fun, I figure, a place for
    people--if they want to get lost up here, they're welcome to do so. And
    I want these canyons to be accessible. There are a few others. One of
    them's really hard to get to. I hiked up in there. I mean, it's really
    hard to get up in there. And I don't know if we can ever make that one
    really accessible.
        The other one will be accessible only if we get in there with a
    chainsaw and spend a lot of time, because it's really overgrown. So we
    may leave one the way it is and make the other one----
        Q. Think escalator. [Laughter]
        Q. Are you able to hike around here on your own, totally on your
    own?
        The President. No. I hike around up here. As you know, the--
    [inaudible].
        Q. [Inaudible]
        The President. Plus, the military aide is within a certain distance
    of me at all times.
        Q. So even on your own property, you can't get lost?
        The President. Right. They stay--the military aide, the doc, and the
    nurse live on the property. And fortunately, they're such fine
    Americans, I don't mind hiking with them.
        Q. How do they feel about it?
        The President. That's something you need to ask them. That's a good
    question.
        Q. What is it you like about coming out here?
        The President. I like--I mean, it is one of the few places where I
    can actually walk outside my front door and say, ``I think I'm going to
    go walk 2 hours.'' And although I'm not totally alone, I can walk
    wherever I want to walk, and I can't do that in Washington.
        I guess I could, I could walk around the circle for--I do run the
    circle. I like that. I love the nature. I love to get in the pickup
    truck with my dogs as the sun is setting, go look for game.
        Q. You're a pretty gregarious guy. I've seen you at many a ball
    game.
        The President. Yes.
        Q. Some of your friends are surprised that you like to come out
    here, basically in the middle of nowhere, and just kind of be by
    yourself.
        The President. I guess they don't know what it's like to be the
    President. [Laughter] I get plenty of quality time with a lot of really
    good people. Sometimes, it's important to just get away, as well.
        Plus, you know, one of the things we miss in Washington is our
    friends. And they're here. We've got the Weisses here. The Gammons are
    here. Pam Nelson is here. And we find it really relaxing to sit down on
    the porch with our buddies and just shoot the breeze. And you know, it's
    amazing; you don't have to defend any policy you make. I mean, your
    friends are your friends. These people were friends of mine before I
    became President; they'll be friends of mine after I'm the President.
    And people just take you for what you are.
        Q. Do you do your own cooking here at the ranch?
        The President. Do I?
        Q. Yes.
        The President. I try not to. [Laughter] I get really hungry after a
    day's work. Occasionally, I'll cook a burger or a steak. I'm not bad at
    it.
        Q. Otherwise, Mrs. Bush takes care of that?
        The President. Actually, we've got Sam, a fine cook. And that's one
    of the benefits of being the President, the cook comes with you.
    [Laughter]

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        Q. Noticed a lot of animal droppings. Can you identify them?
        The President. Well, no. I can't. Good question, though.
        Q. I'm a Brooklyn boy, and I don't----
        The President. I'm better on trees than I am on animal droppings.
    And I still need a lot of work on trees. I think this is a cedar elm.
    Cedar elms are identified by their skirts. Obviously, when they grow up
    in a sunlight-starved environment, the skirt doesn't grow.
        But it's pretty special. You know, the thing about this place is
    that you would never guess that this kind of country was here, driving
    in from Waco to Crawford. And the--this is really a finger of the hill
    country coming up in here. And you've got the hay country, the black
    land prairie, and you've got a transition zone--really, a lot of live
    oaks and stuff. And then you come down into these canyons. And the
    middle fork of the Bosque runs a mile and a half on our eastern
    boundary, and Rainey Creek is a mile and a half on the northern
    boundary. And they are really great when there's water in them. They're
    even great when there's no water in them. They're good for game, holding
    game. The game like to go down in the bottoms there, and they'll drink
    and hang out and hide.
        As I say, the other day, I came down here, and Barney and I were--
    Barney's legs are so short, a half-mile run for him is pretty much like
    5 miles for a human. He makes it about a quarter-mile or so, then they
    put him in the Gator, and he and I walk as he cools down. Thirty turkey
    came sprinting across the pasture down there, and Barney took off after
    them.
        Barney's big thing to do is to chase armadillo. And you know,
    Laura has mulched our flower beds around the
    house, and we water in the evening, so therefore the soil is very moist
    and armadillo love to dig the soil looking for bugs. And so I went out
    there the other day, and there was Barney buried in this hole, chasing
    an armadillo. [Laughter] Both of them were in this hole. At any rate,
    Barney--finally got him out of there, and the armadillo wouldn't move.
        Q. Seems like Spot would be the more outdoorsy-type dog.
        The President. Spot's a good runner. You know, Barney--terriers are
    bred to go into holes and pull out varmint. And Spotty chases birds.
    Spotty's a great water dog. I'll go fly-fishing this afternoon in our
    lake--I don't know if you saw the lake coming in--yes. It's--we sprung a
    leak in the dam, and a guy from east Texas came over and spent the last
    4\1/2\ days coring out the dam, putting clay in there and filling it
    back in. I think we've solved the leak.
        But I'll go fishing, and Spot will be out in the middle of the lake,
    either chasing the lure or chasing a grasshopper or chasing something.
    She loves the water. But she--you know, for a 12-year-old dog, she's in
    incredible condition. But she--about every other day, she'll run with
    me. And if she doesn't run with me, she'll either--she'll walk with
    Laura and me. So she's doing great. And she's a hunter. She's just
    having trouble seeing. She doesn't see as well as Barney does now.

    President's Dogs at the White House

        Q. So when they're at the White House, where do they run around? I
    mean, outside----
        The President. They run around the yard there. About 6:50 in the
    morning to 7, as I take them down, we'll walk around some. And then
    Dale, the fine gardener, will come out. And Dale and the dogs are in
    love. And they will spend the day with Dale. And he'll hit the tennis
    ball to them. Or he'll walk around on the grounds, and they'll run
    around. And then when it gets a little hot, they'll camp out in the
    gardener's office. And then when I finish work, or when Laura is ready, we'll go down and get them and bring them up
    to the Residence.

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    Ranch Tour

        Q. Do you still have the horses?
        The President. Yes.
        Q. Does anyone ride them?
        The President. No, they're too small yet. But we do have them.
    They're Kenneth Engelbrecht's.
        Let's see what else I can tell you about this place?
        Q. What's the average annual rainfall?
        The President. I think it's 32 inches, but you need to look it up on
    the Internet.
        Q. Is this summer especially dry?
        The President. No. We got a half-inch. August is always dry. I mean,
    unless there's a hurricane, August is a dry month in Texas. And it's
    always hot; it's never not been hot. And Dallas--I don't know, Jackson
    [David Jackson, Dallas Morning News], you living in Dallas? It was some
    like ungodly number of days in a row of 100--50 days in a row or
    something.
        This has been a relatively mild summer. But it had been really dry
    up until the last 3 years--last year. For 3 years prior to last year was
    really dry, and we didn't have any rain. And we had great rains this
    year. And the aquifers filled up, and it was seeping water all the time
    and the creek was running up until July. So it's----

    Future Visits to the Ranch

        Q. When are you coming back after----
        The President. I don't know. I think we may have a scheduled trip in
    September. I'm giving a speech in San Antonio, if I'm not mistaken. And
    that will be just for a night. And I'm thinking about--I haven't decided
    when to hang my portrait in the State capitol, but it's finished. Or
    it's almost finished. One of the--the artist came out the other day just
    to get one final look. [Laughter] But I'm not sure how much time we'll
    spend then, and then Mr. Putin.
        October is going to be taken up mainly with dealing with the
    Congress and going on the Far Eastern trip, about a 10-day trip.
        Q. And then will you spend December, you know, around Christmas----
        The President. No, we'll spend--look, the plans are right now,
    subject to change, that I would like to invite my entire family to Camp
    David, my mother and dad and brothers and sister and their kids. And
    then the day after, we'd fly down here and spend----
        Q. For Christmas--at Camp David?
        The President. No, no, the day--yes, Christmas at Camp David and
    then leave that day or the day after and come down here and stay down
    here until--I don't know--however long--whatever's appropriate.
        Q. Sir, I don't want to be rude, but what does a ranch like this go
    for?
        The President. You know, first of all, it's not for sale. You
    couldn't pay me enough.
        Q. I believe that.
        The President. Other than that, that's relatively rude.
        Q. I apologize.
        The President. No, no.
        Q. Are you going to--are you going to bring Mr. Putin up through the
    canyons?
        The President. I'd like to. If he wants
    to, you bet. He is a physical fitness person, and I bet he'd like to get
    up and go for a long walk.
        Q. He's probably seen nothing like it.
        The President. I'd love to show him the
    canyons. I will show him the canyons. And I think he'll like it out
    here. It will be a different look. The leaves--you get some colors down
    here. Some of the leaves----
        Q. In the fall?
        The President. Yes, you do. Nothing like New England, but you do get
    some colors.
        Q. Do you know when he's coming, exactly?
        The President. No, I don't. I'm not even sure, yet.
        Q. You've done some work out here----
        The President. I think he'd like to spend some time in Washington
    and do both, go to Washington and Crawford.

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    President's Working Vacation

        Q. You've done some work out of here. Has it been more difficult to
    work out of here or----
        The President. No, it's just the same. You know, when you pick up
    the phone and you call de la Rua to talk
    to him about Argentina, it's--it may be a different hookup, but it's the
    same voice.
        Yesterday--as a matter of fact, in some ways, this place is better
    for work. Yesterday we spent--well, they arrived at 10 a.m. It took a
    while to get the press conference. We got back here at about 11:30 a.m.
    and met until--5:15 p.m., I think they left. That's the longest meeting
    I've had in a long time, on a very important subject. And so it gave us
    a chance to sit back and relax. It was a much less hectic schedule.
        Therefore, we had a good chance to talk about a really important
    subject, which is our military strategies. And so in some ways, it
    lets--this place allows for more indepth discussions. Condi and I spend a lot of time just sitting around
    visiting about our foreign policy matters.
        You know, Andy Card and I talked for
    a while yesterday. Josh is around. Karen
    Hughes was here. We spent a good deal of time
    with Karen talking about the fall and what we'll try to communicate in
    the fall.
        I had a good visit with Vicente Fox on the
    phone. You know, we're working on immigration policy. And although I
    haven't been in the meetings, I have been in communications with--
    Margaret LaMontagne is heading up that
    task for us, and I think we'll make some pretty good progress there.
        Q. When you have those business meetings, like the Joint Chiefs
    briefing, do you like to keep it separate from the living quarters on
    the ranch?
        The President. Actually, you know, what we call the Governor's
    house, the place where you all came out during the--that's where we
    went. Condi and Karen Hughes stayed there. And right across the street from that is
    a--it's a nice looking government doublewide. [Laughter] And that's
    where the mil aide, the nurse, the WHCA head, the doc, they stay.
        The CIA briefings I have on our porch, the end of our porch, looking
    out over the lake. When Tenet came up,
    that's where we visited, out there.
        You know, everybody wants to see the ranch, which I'm proud to show
    it off. So George Tenet and I--yesterday we
    piled in the new nominees for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the Vice
    Chairman, and their wives and went right up the canyon.
        Q. They didn't do this hiking in those uniforms?
        The President. No, no, they didn't come up here. It was a quick
    tour.
        Q. The marine would, though. [Laughter]
        The President. But for large meetings and, you know--plus
    Laura had some guests and didn't want us
    traipsing around there. So it was a good idea to invite the wives. Laura
    thought of it. And I'm really glad she did. It was obviously a very
    sensitive decision on her part. They were thrilled to be here. As you
    can imagine, their husbands were nominated to be Chairman and Vice
    Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and they got to witness it. And, had she
    not caught it, they might not have been here. So it's good that she did.

    Upcoming Budget Issues

        Q. So when you go back, you're going to be immersed in all this
    budget stuff. Are you ready for this fight?
        The President. Sure. I don't necessarily see it as a fight.
        Q. Well, you drew a pretty strong line in the sand yesterday.
        The President. Well, we've got a budget, see. The budget's been
    decided. So we're not fighting over the budget. The decision is whether
    or not Congress will stick to the budget. We had the budget discussion

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    last spring, and I was very pleased with the outcome of the budget
    discussion.
        As you know, discretionary spending grew at about 5 percent. I
    thought the priorities were pretty clear in the budget. And so the
    discussion will be, do budgets mean anything? And so far, the folks in
    charge of appropriations have answered the question affirmatively;
    budgets do mean something. And the supplementals and the emergency
    measures were, you know, right in line, and I appreciate that very much.
    So we'll see. We'll see whether or not there's the commitment to make
    national defense a priority.
        Members of both parties are saying, well, we need to spend more,
    this, that, and the other. And that's good. What I hope they do is, they
    decide that the budget I submitted or the request I submitted for '02 is
    the right number and that they let us know that that's the number they
    will fund early, so that we avoid a fight, because I will fight for
    education funding and a national defense funding that I think is at the
    appropriate level. But fight isn't the right word yet.

    Return to Washington, DC

        Q. Are you sad that you have to leave here in about a week and go
    back?
        The President. No, I'm not sad at all. I told Campbell [Campbell
    Brown, NBC News] life's a series of contrasts, and I will miss--I will
    miss Crawford, but I know I will be back here. And I think people have
    now got--are beginning to realize that this is our home, and I'm one of
    these guys that likes--I'm a homebody. I like my home. I like my own
    bedroom. I like hanging out with my family and friends here.
        But I also know I can do my job from here, and I look forward to
    getting back to Washington and getting to work. I'll be all charged up.
    I think I'll have the right perspective. And you know, coming out here
    makes you realize that Washington is a wonderful place, but it's
    certainly not the center of all wisdom and knowledge. And there is a lot
    of wisdom in the folks of--you know, in the minds and souls of the folks
    of Crawford, Texas, just like there are amongst some of the elite in
    Washington.

    Margaret LaMontagne

        Q. Did you say Margaret LaMontagne is heading up immigration?
        The President. She is the chief domestic policy adviser who is--and
    since that's domestic policy, she is in charge of that aspect of the--of
    domestic policy, and doing a great job. I'm really glad Margaret came to
    Washington. She is newly wed, by the way--Austin wedding.
        Q. But she is known mostly as an education person here in Texas. Is
    she branching out these days?
        The President. No, she was branched out from day one, as you--David,
    I'm surprised you didn't know that we made her--from the minute I got
    sworn in, she was the head of domestic policy, which means on every
    issue that has been in the domestic scene, she has been very much
    involved, whether it be Medicare reform or--she's doing a great job.
    Margaret is a very smart woman. You bet, she was an education person in
    Texas. But I realized how brilliant a woman she is, and she can handle
    just about every task we give her. So she's doing a good job. I've got a
    good team.
        All right. Let's go.
        Q. Thank you. Thank you very much.
        Q. Thank you for having us out here.
        The President. I'm thrilled you got to see it. It will help you
    understand.
        Q. What you do out here all day?
        Q. It was a real treat. Thank you.
        The President. Thanks, I'm glad you came.
        Q. There may be a story about Ms. LaMontagne appearing in the Dallas
    Morning News.
        The President. Got it. Okay. I appreciate you asking. Thank you,
    David.
        Q. Thank you.

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        The President. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be sarcastic. I thought
    you didn't know, seriously.
        Q. I always like to play dumb, and it's an easy role for me to fill,
    too.
        The President. No false modesty. [Laughter]

    [The tour continued.]

    Ranch Tour

        The President. I'm going to give you a little tour to get out of
    here, so everybody can see this. Whoa baby! I may be going in the
    ``whining pool.'' [Laughter]
        Q. Can we come?
        Q. Can we all come?
        The President. I must confess, it was a great addition.
        Q. They won you over on that, didn't they?
        The President. That's the canyon we went up, the top--obviously. And
    there's a series of roads out of this place. But I want you to see this
    in here. This is--this greens up really nicely.
        In the evenings--you'll see some cliffs over here that really are--I
    think are really special. See them over there. I'll give you a better
    view up here.
        I just want to practice driving. [Laughter]
        Q. I've got to ask, who does your laundry? Because that's pretty
    filthy.
        The President. Yes, it is.
        Q. I can't imagine Mrs. Bush wants that stuff in her----
        The President. Well, we've got a washer--the washer/dryer room is
    right off the porch. And so I'm not saying I strip down outside on the
    porch or anything, but I am saying I don't traipse this stuff into the
    house, either. [Laughter]
        Maria Galvan is with us, as well. Maria is a--lived with us in
    Austin, and she lives with us in Washington.
        Q. Have your parents been down? Or are they still sucking up the
    salt air up north?
        The President. They haven't been down this summer.
        Q. Are they coming?
        The President. Mother and Dad have been here twice. Both times they were here, it
    was just green.
        See these cedar elms? These are spectacular cedar elms. I'll show
    you another tree that I think is really special.
        There's a whole stand of cedar elms. This is a pecan right here, lot
    of fruit on it.
        In the evenings, this is where the deer lie down, in here. It's kind
    of tight, and they feel protected. These are called motts. When you see
    the same type of tree growing close together, it's called a mott, m-o-t-
    t.
        Q. Is the red deer still here? The----
        The President. Died.
        Q. Oh, no! What----
        The President. Ate Johnson grass, and the Johnson grass ended up
    poisoning it. Our neighbor to the north of us--I think it was our
    neighbor to the north--saw a bunch of buzzards circling and thought he
    lost one of his cows. He went up there, and the red stag was there.
        This is the middle fork of the Bosque River we're coming up to now.
    We've been paralleling it. You'll get a sense of what it's like. It's a
    very gravelly-bottom river.
        And we've got a beautiful bur oak stand in here. That's a bur oak,
    these great big oaks. And we discovered what's a pretty rare tree, this
    tree right there, is a chinquapin oak, which is mainly found in the
    Houston area. I think it's the Houston area. It's not found here; it's
    more of an east Texas tree.
        That's a bur oak. See that----
        Q. Like Adam Burr?
        The President. Yes. And that is the----
        Q. Aaron Burr.
        The President. Are you reading ``Shining Brothers''? [Laughter] I
    am.
        Anyway, see, that's the middle fork of the Bosque. That's our
    neighbor on the other side there.
        Q. So this is the fence line of your property?

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        The President. Well, the middle--and there's some water pooled in
    there. Not much. It's pretty dry. But there are some places where the
    water has pooled up.
        Q. How did you learn all this stuff about these trees? Did you have
    someone come out here and drive you around?
        The President. Well, we've got a book. And I knew some of the trees,
    you know. The oak trees are pretty--the pecan trees, that's the Texas
    tree.
        But we had a guy Thursday--two men Thursday that are professors at
    Texas A&M that Dianne White Delisi, who
    was a State rep and good friend of mine--you remember her, David--she is
    the State rep from Temple. Do you know her, David?
        Q. Yes.
        The President. She came out and brought them over here. They wanted
    to see the place. They had heard we had some beautiful hardwoods on it.
    And they came and were really pleased with the health of our trees and
    the quality of our trees.
        That's the middle fork, and then it hits the Rainey Creek, which
    I'll show you up here.

    Hunting

        Q. Do you know if you're planning to be out here for Thanksgiving?
        The President. I'm not sure, Sandra [Sandra Sobieraj, Associated
    Press].
        Q. Can those wild turkeys rest easy?
        The President. Yes.
        Q. Have you been hunting them?
        The President. No, I'm not going to hunt the turkeys.
        Q. The pigeons? Do you hunt the pigeons?
        The President. No, we don't have any pigeons--yes, the doves.
        Q. The doves, I mean.
        The President. Dove season is September 1st.
        Q. Oh, it's not the season. Okay.
        The President. I won't be here. Plus, we don't have that many doves
    yet. We usually don't get a lot of doves until there is a cold front
    pushing them south. I hunted last year up here.
        Q. That was the day you grilled up the doves, right?
        The President. Did what?
        Q. The doves.
        The President. With the bacon and the jalapeno?
        Q. Yes, we had a bet.
        The President. Did you eat them?
        Q. I had a bet with an AP reporter that we couldn't get it on the
    wire.
        The President. Did you get it on the wire?
        Q. Oh, yeah.

    Ranch Tour

        The President. The broad-leaf tree that was a little yellow there is
    a sycamore tree, which are pretty unusual, and they grow in the creeks.
        See the size of these cedar elms here? They are magnificent trees.
        Q. Quite the arborist----
        The President. I am. Tree man.
        Q. Tree man. [Laughter]
        Q. Were you always a tree man?
        The President. No, I wasn't. I like trees, but I have come to
    appreciate them a lot. And I'm guarding them jealously against water
    suckers like cedars.
        Here's the creek, obviously now dry. But it will give you a sense of
    what it's like. And for most of the year this year, water was running
    over the crossing.
        And again, the broad-leaf trees in the middle are the sycamores.
    That is an ash. That is a willow of some kind; see that in the middle
    there? And then you've got oaks and pecans. So you have four or five
    different types of trees along here. These are pecans. That's a
    sycamore, and that's a huge pecan tree.
        Q. Do you get rattlesnakes on the property?
        The President. I haven't seen any but have seen cottonmouths, which
    are poisonous water snakes. We found them in the creek. I actually had a
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    in here, into some of the canyons where we suspect there's rattlesnakes.
    And he's a rattlesnake hunter, and he's a local guy. And what they do is
    they come up and stake it and spray diesel fuel up in the hole and drug
    the snakes and extract them.
        Q. For what?
        The President. To get rid of them. And they use them to suck the
    venom--to milk them to get the venom as an antidote.
        Q. Have any of your guests gotten poison ivy or snakebites or
    anything like that from walking around?
        The President. Not yet.
        Q. But you're hoping some day?
        The President. I hope they're not.
        Q. Just kidding.
        The President. Put the doctor to use.
        Here is one of our places that have held water.
        Q. Oh, yes.
        The President. We've got a couple of them on this place like this.
    And anyway, the creek goes for a while. And this will give you a sense
    of the cliffs up there. See up there?
        This property--this part of the ranch goes another--the trail goes
    another three-quarters mile, and then we go another probably quarter
    mile beyond that, but there's no road. This will give you a sense of the
    cliffs right here. We own to the top of these cliffs.
        Q. Wow! Look at the buzzards on the top.
        The President. They're watching us.
        Q. Guarding your border.
        The President. Making sure. First the red stag and then----
        Q. A few reporters?
        The President. Yes. [Laughter]
        Q. How many miles does this dirt road snake through here, do you
    know?
        The President. David, I'm not even sure. I should measure them. I
    paid for them.
        Here's another one of the canyons. It's got a stairstep to it, a
    very long, gradual stairstep.
        Q. I think that's the one you showed us the first time.
        The President. Yeah, it was.
        Q. You said there were seven?
        The President. Seven, yes.
        Q. How many different properties did you look at before buying this
    one, or was this love at first sight?
        The President. Well, this was--it was for me, actually. We had seen
    some--we had seen a lot of property in Texas, you know. And a guy said,
    you know, we ought to look in this area of Texas. He had bought a ranch
    in Gatesville, which is right up the road. And we went and looked at his
    place, and he said, ``Oh, by the way, you ought to come and see this
    Engelbrecht ranch.'' And we came over here, and I thought it was
    fabulous.
        Laura was a little worried that it would be
    hard to access the really beautiful parts of the ranch. And I told her I
    would build the roads necessary to make sure all of us could get down
    there easily. And it took a couple of months. And then another buyer
    came in, and they didn't honor the deal.
        There's the house. See how it sits in those trees? The guy did a
    fabulous job of--and it's facing south so it picks up a lot of the
    southerly breeze. I'll take you----
        Q. This is manmade, this lake?
        The President. Yes, I made it. I paid for it. Obviously, with no
    rain, it evaporates. And we've had some good rains. There are pumps over
    there. We keep it pumped because when it does rain, it fills up that
    little island, and we don't want to kill those oaks.
        But it's stocked. I bought a little bass boat. It's stocked----
        Q. Very little.
        The President. It is. It's perfect for that size lake.
        It's stocked with a lot of baitfish, and I put in 600 fingerlings.
    So we started--didn't put any big bass in to begin with. And I've caught
    nearly a pound in size.

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        This will give you a sense for the place. The place on the left
    there is the guesthouse, bedrooms, sitting room. And then on the right,
    you can see, it's kind of sectioned. And in between--there's three
    sections, and in between each section there is what they call a dogtrot,
    which is a screened-in porch built to capture the southerly breezes. And
    the porch you see out there, we sit out there in the evening--as you can
    see, the chairs lined up there, looking east, so the sun is not in our
    eyes. And there is a beautiful fireplace there that we use in the
    winter.
        This is the--right here is an old hand house that we've refurbished.
    And now one half of it is a gymnasium, free weights and exercise
    machines, and the other half is a room.
        Q. I've got to ask, do you drive from there to there to work out, or
    do you walk?
        The President. Actually, I walked yesterday when I went to lift
    weights, but I've got a little golf cart.
        This is the Secret Service. They're building this. And the
    doublewide will leave. This is their command post. And they were kind
    enough to ask, you know, whether or not--you know, what kind of design
    would be helpful to make it blend in. We helped, obviously, put it in
    that mott of oaks so it doesn't stand out too much.
        We own over to that fence line there. So we go from here about a
    mile that way, and from here about a half mile that way, maybe a little
    more. And then that's our western fence line.
        Q. Was that your white pickup truck outside the house?
        The President. No. That is Kenneth Engelbrecht's, which I use.
        Q. The Secret Service is not nervous about you driving?
        The President. I haven't hit anything yet. But this is the one place
    I drive.
        I built this little pond over here. Actually, it's got more water
    than it looks. And that's a fun--fun little place to go fly-fish. One of
    my favorite things to do is when it cools--it never cools off--when the
    sun starts going down, I walk the dogs over there, and they'll play
    around in the water.
        We planted all these oaks along here, and this is going to be
    spectacular, as you can see, the walkway.
        I don't think we'll be able to get around. By the way, one of
    Laura's projects is going to interest you. This
    is buffalo grass, which is the native grass. And she's planted buffalo
    grass here, and we're trying to restore--starting with the land between
    the house and the lake, including front and back yard--restore all this
    country to its native--native grasses. And one of the A&M guys was an
    expert on native grass, as well. And we've got a man out here from the
    local area that is a wildflower and native grass expert. The dam has got
    native grass on it.
        And the idea is to have these grasses that will be able to sustain
    themselves, particularly in the hot--in the heat, all around,
    particularly the house and as far as you can see around the house. They
    are not good for, you know, cattle necessarily, although they could be.
        Q. Otherwise, do you have a sprinkler system?
        The President. We do have a sprinkler system. The roof drains off
    into a gravel--see the gravel in front of the guesthouse there? That's a
    gravel collector that drains into a cistern. And we water the trees and
    the yard.
        Obviously, if there's no rain, like we've had recently, then we are
    on city water, and we water at night. We're not using much water now
    because the grass has pretty well taken hold.
        The guy laid this house in these oaks and did, we think, a beautiful
    job of placing it in the landscape. There's native rock on the house.
    It's a pretty good-size house.
        Q. It's modest size.
        The President. Yes. It's modest, but it's pretty good size. I mean,
    the tall ceilings--you can't see how tall the ceilings are, because the
    perspective is different because

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    of how it sits in the trees, but it's perfect for us.
        And you see straight ahead is the screened-in porch there. And then
    the darker windows there, those are screened-in porches, as well. And
    the girls' two bedrooms are on this end. Laura and I are in the middle.
    And what we call the great room, which is a combination sitting room and
    dining room, is right there.
        Q. On the end, by where the Adirondack chairs are on the porch?
        The President. Right. And then this is the guesthouse and the
    garage.
        Q. Do you expect Putin to stay in this guesthouse?
        The President. I don't know what we are going to do. We haven't
    figured that out yet. It's going to be----
        Q. It's pretty close, if you're right there.
        The President. I would love Putin to stay
    there. He can go down to the Governor's house. I don't know what we're
    going to do. You can imagine, it's going to be a mass scramble of who
    gets to stay on the property and where everybody else will stay. We
    haven't figured out the logistics. We're still working on the Mexican
    state dinner. [Laughter]

    [The tour continued.]

        Q. You mean you're going to sneak out to Ohio without telling us?

    United Nations Conference on Racism

        The President. Your question didn't get much news yesterday, on
    the--or did it--on the conference?
        Q. Did you expect it to?
        The President. No, not really.
        Q. They took notice in New York and overseas.
        The President. Did they? Good. What did they say?
        Q. You saw the U.N. human rights woman,
    Robinson----
        Q. Yes, she said again she'd go.
        The President. Well, she ought to clean up
    the language. It's discriminatory, it seems like to us. And--yes, maybe
    they will.

    Ranch Tour

        Q. So this is environmentally friendly?
        The President. Yes, very much so, for a couple of reasons. One, it's
    got a natural water collection devices all around it, and it's got a
    heater and cooling system that takes water and circulates it and
    transfers the cold water to the heat and the heated water to the cold,
    because the ground temperature--the subterranean temperature stays
    constant.
        So it's the same type of system that Vice President Gore put in the Vice Presidential house, which I
    didn't realize, but he did.
        Q. Those aren't solar panels on the roof, it just looks----
        The President. No, no, no, no. No, those aren't solar panels. That
    technology isn't quite worked out.
        But even more efficient, however, is the transference of heat and
    cool as a result of circulating water below the--it's called thermal
    heating and cooling--okay.
        Thank you all for coming. We'll see you.
        Q. Thank you. Thank you so much.
        The President. Thank you for coming. I'm glad you're here. David
    ``Action'' Jackson, thanks.
        Okay, we'll see you all.

    Note: The exchange began at 11:05 a.m. In his remarks, the President
    referred to ranch foreman Kenneth Engelbrecht; President Vladimir Putin
    of Russia; President Fernando de la Rua of Argentina; Deputy Chief of
    Staff Joshua Bolten; President Vicente Fox of Mexico; State
    Representative Dianne White Delisi of Texas; and Mary Robinson, United
    Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights. A tape was not available for
    verification of the content of this exchange.