[Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: WILLIAM J. CLINTON (1999, Book II)]
[September 28, 1999]
[Pages 1616-1620]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]



Remarks at a Breakfast With Religious Leaders
September 28, 1999

    Thank you very much, and good morning. I, first of all, would like 
to thank you for the invocation and let you 
know that, as with many other Americans, we have been thinking about you 
and your people in your church.
    Hillary and I welcome you here today. As you know, the Vice 
President and Mrs. Gore are normally here, but he is often otherwise occupied 
these days. [Laughter] And I hope you will forgive their absence. They 
really wanted to be here.
    I would like to thank Secretary Shalala, Secretary Riley, Jack 
Lew for being here. I would also like to thank 
Barry McCaffrey, the Director of our 
Office of National Drug Control Policy. And to those of you who come 
nearly every year, welcome back. To those of you who are

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here for the first time, welcome. We are delighted that you are all 
here.
    I have looked forward to this day every year for as long as I have 
been President and we have been doing this. All of you know that, if 
you've come to some of the others, that each one of these days has been 
special. And, as in the 1990's, as America has grown more involved with 
the rest of the world and more diverse, because of our history of 
religious liberty and the way our Constitution has worked, more and more 
religious convictions and affiliations have flowered in our country. And 
you can look around this room today--see, it would be very unusual if 
you could have this kind of gathering in any other country in the world. 
And for that I am profoundly grateful.
    Last year was one of the most difficult years in my life, and this 
occasion, because it has come to mean so much to me, was a very 
difficult one. For those of you who were part of that, I want to express 
my particular appreciation. I'd like to say a special word of thanks to 
my good friend Reverend Wogaman and to 
Gordon MacDonald--I think he is here back 
there--and to Tony Campolo, who is not here, 
who have kept their word to meet with me over the last year, both to 
help me and to hold me accountable. And I have kept my word to meet with 
them and to work with them.
    I would like to say only this about that: I have been profoundly 
moved, as few people have, by the pure power of grace, unmerited 
forgiveness through grace--most of all to my wife and daughter, but to the 
people I work with, to the legions of American people, and to the God in 
whom I believe. And I am very grateful to all of you who have had any 
role in that, and I thank you.
    I also want you to know that we are continuing our work. It is 
interesting and not always comfortable, but always rewarding. And I hope 
you will pray for us as we do.
    What I would like to talk about today, following up on what Hillary 
said when she welcomed you here, is 
what we can do together to deal with the question of violence, 
particularly against our children. And I would like to talk about it 
first of all to say we've been trying to work out what the proper 
relationship is between religious individuals and religious groups, and 
government activity, since we got started as a country.
    We've been working on this for a long time now. It probably will 
always be a work in progress. We don't want to discourage people who are 
in public office from pursuing their own religious convictions and from 
stating them, but we must beware, as those of us who are Christians are 
warned, of practicing piety before others in order to be seen by them. 
We must be humble in this endeavor and work together.
    We also must recognize that there will always be differences of 
opinion, honestly held and earnestly pursued, about what is the proper 
role for the government, what is the proper relationship between church 
and state, in the well-timed and well-used American phrase. But it seems 
to me that there is kind of an emerging consensus about the ways in 
which faith organizations and our government can work together, both at 
the national level and at the State and local levels, in a way that 
reinforce values that are universally held, and increase the leverage of 
the good things that the government is funding.
    I could just mention one or two. Some of you are involved in faith-
based organizations that have received funding for AmeriCorps slots. We 
now have thousands of young volunteers who have worked in AmeriCorps 
through various faith-based organizations rendering community service. I 
don't think that's a violation of the Constitution's establishment 
clause, and we sure have helped a lot of people out there. And I feel 
good about that.
    Some of you have worked in organizations which have helped poor 
families move from welfare to work, in a way that reinforces not only 
the value of work but the value of family, which is even more important. 
And that's a continuing challenge for us, but I'm encouraged by the 
progress that has been made there.
    Many of you have been involved with us in our efforts to advance the 
cause of religious freedom at home and around the world. I don't know if 
Bob Seiple is here today, but I'm very 
pleased about what we're doing in that, and I'm grateful for the work 
that you have--those of you who have helped us with that. And that 
continues to be a concern of mine in many places throughout the world, 
and I think it will continue to be something the United States will have 
to work and work and work on.
    If you have followed--and I'm sure almost all of you have--the 
recent troubling events in East Timor, you know that there is a 
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as well as an ethnic element to what is going on there and to the 
difficulties.
    And finally, let me say that as we move toward the millennium, I 
have been very moved by the way many faith-based organizations have 
engaged and challenged those of us in public life to reawaken our 
responsibilities to poor people, both within and beyond our borders.
    A couple of people on the way in today mentioned the global 
initiative to reduce dramatically the debt of the poorest nations in the 
world. And I was very pleased by the recent moves that the IMF and the 
World Bank have made in that direction. The United States has pushed 
very hard for it. It is an entirely appropriate thing to do. But I have 
to tell you, I don't want this to wind up being like our dues to the 
United Nations. Now that we have advocated this and gotten everybody 
else to agree to it, we have to pay our fair share. So I hope all of you 
will help us pass the legislation through Congress to do that.
    There is also much, much more we need to do here at home, especially 
for our children. And I think one of the most wonderful experiences I've 
had as President was taking my so-called new markets tour around the 
country, to Appalachia, to the Mississippi Delta, to the Pine Ridge 
Indian Reservation in South Dakota, to many of our inner-city areas. And 
I intend to continue to do these for the remainder of my term, to 
highlight what we can do, what more we can do to try to get investment 
and opportunity and alleviate poverty among people who have not felt the 
warm glow of this economic prosperity of ours. And there are still 
altogether too many of them.
    But today I want to just focus just for a few minutes, and then 
we'll have breakfast, and then we'll have a talk about it. But I wanted 
to ask you to think about this. And that's why I'm so grateful to our 
pastor, for his invocation, and for, after 
what he's been through, for coming here and sharing with us today.
    All the rage in Washington today is we finally succeeded in getting, 
I think, the general public interested in the so-called Y2K problem. You 
know, we live in a world that is dominated by computers, and now we're 
trying to make sure we're Y2K ready, and everybody just has all these 
horrible scenarios of what might happen when the computers turn to 2000 
and all the old computers revert back to 1900 and what might happen. 
We've been working on this steadily. The United States has worked very 
hard here, and we've worked very hard to help other countries throughout 
the world, and especially to avoid any disasters in military operations, 
in airline operations, things that could really have a profound impact 
on us.
    But I think at this prayer breakfast today I would like to say that 
there is more to getting ready for Y2K than fixing the computers. And 
when this kind of seminal event occurs it gives us the opportunity to 
ask ourselves what it would take to be really ready for the year 2000.
    I don't think it's good enough for us to enter the new century as 
the most prosperous and powerful country in the world, with the lowest 
unemployment rate in 29 years and the lowest welfare rolls in 32 years 
and the first back-to-back budget surpluses in 42 years and the longest 
peacetime expansion ever. That's all very impressive, but I think it's 
worth noting, as I have on occasion before, that when Alexis de 
Tocqueville came here over 150 years ago and traveled around America and 
he noticed how profoundly religious our people were--even though we had 
no government religion, and in fact, government could not interfere with 
it--he thought we were the most religious people on Earth. And after he 
had done a good deal of his tour, de Tocqueville wrote a powerful 
sentence. He said, ``America is great because America is good.'' Not 
rich, not powerful, certainly not perfect, but good.
    And the question I think we ought to focus on today is, are we good 
enough? And if we wanted to be better, what's the most important place 
to start? I think this is especially important when it comes to 
children. There's too much trouble in too many of their lives. Even 
here, the trend lines all look good. You have teen pregnancy, divorce, 
drug abuse, poverty, all going down in America. That's the good news. 
The bad news is that by comparative standards, all these problems are 
still far too rampant, and there are too many children with troubled 
lives.
    We could spend all day talking about those things. But today I would 
like to ask you to focus on this problem of violence, which has 
dominated so many of our headlines in the last 2 years. Now, even here, 
you could say it's a mixed picture. It's true we have the lowest crime 
rate in 26 years, the lowest murder rate in 30 years. But it's also true 
that the crime rate in this country is way too high, much higher than 
virtually any place else.

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    It is true that we have seen over the last 2 years a rash of high-
profile shootings, often with children as both the victims and the 
perpetrators. The mass killing of innocent people I think has been the 
most painful thing that Hillary and I and Al and Tipper Gore have had to 
deal with in the discharge of our public responsibilities, the bombing 
in Oklahoma City; the school violence at Littleton and so many other 
places; the dragging death of James Byrd in Jasper, Texas; the torture 
death of Matthew Shepard in Wyoming; the murder of Won-Joon Yoon outside 
his church in Bloomington, Indiana, on the Fourth of July, and the other 
killings in that spree by a deranged young man who had been a member of 
a so-called church of white supremacy. There were the office killings in 
Atlanta and the family killings associated with it; the shootings at the 
Jewish community center in Los Angeles; the killing of a Filipino 
postalworker in that spree; of course, the recent murderous rampage at 
Wedgewood Baptist Church in Fort Worth.
    Now, some of these crimes were motivated by hatred of the victims, 
because of their race, their religion, their homosexuality. I think we 
must do more to prosecute such crimes. I hope Congress will soon send me 
the hate crimes legislation. But some of these crimes do not fit into 
the category of hate crimes. The murderers were in the grip of some evil 
force or mental illness.
    And, in addition to these high-profile crimes where children were 
involved, we should never forget a couple of other things. Thirteen 
children die in this country every day from gun violence. And because 
they die in ones and twos, in tough neighborhoods and difficult streets, 
sometimes they're not the lead story; sometimes they're not any story on 
the evening news. But their numbers add up. And some of you minister to 
the families of those children.
    Beyond that, children die with truly alarming frequency in this 
country from accidental gun deaths. Yesterday I was in New Orleans, and 
this whole big neighborhood was just almost groaning with grief over the 
death of a much-beloved 4-year-old child who shot himself to death 
playing with a loaded gun he found in his own home.
    Now, can we say America is good enough if we still have the highest 
murder rate in the world and--listen to this--and the rate of accidental 
shooting deaths for children under 15 in the United States is 9 times 
higher than the rate for the other 25 industrialized nations in the 
world combined?
    Now, if you go back to what de Tocqueville said, that America is 
great because America is good, and then you realize somehow we've 
managed to make the most of this incredibly complex, modern economy, it 
seems strange, if the murder rate is higher here and the accidental 
death rate is exponentially higher, why is that? Is that because we're 
not good, but we're evil? Is it because we're not smart, but we're 
stupid?
    We kind of laugh uncomfortably, but it's worth thinking about. I say 
the answer to those questions is, of course not. Some people say, well, 
the reason this happens is we're just not tough enough on offenders, 
whether they commit crimes with guns or let kids get guns or don't take 
good enough care of their guns, that we just ought to punish people 
more. But the truth is we have longer sentences and we keep people in 
jail longer and we've got a higher percentage of our people behind bars 
than I think all the countries in the world but one.
    So that's not a very good explanation. And I have concluded long 
since that the truth is we're in the fix we're in because we don't do 
enough to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and children; because 
we don't do enough to lead our children away from violent paths into 
positive paths; and because we don't do enough to intervene in the lives 
of people who are disturbed, angry, unstable, and mentally ill before 
it's too late.
    In all of these areas, I believe that people of faith could do more 
to help those of us in public life, to give our children back their 
childhoods. And I will be very brief about that, and we'll have 
breakfast, and we'll go on with our discussions. I say that because to 
those who say, well, this is about evil, of course, that's right; but 
most of you believe that evil is a darkness within us all that just 
metastasizes and explodes in a few. If America is to be good, at least 
according to my faith, we must do more to prevent and overcome evil with 
good.
    And so it's not enough to say that shootings in Los Angeles and 
Atlanta were evil, or the rampage in Fort Worth was evil. Praying and 
working for peace is good. Starting grassroots campaigns against youth 
violence, as we're now trying to do all across the Nation, that's good. 
Putting more uniform community police officers in our most dangerous 
neighborhoods is good.

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These gun buy-back programs that are springing up across the country 
that we're trying to help finance here, they're good. And I believe 
passing commonsense gun legislation to keep guns out of the wrong hands 
is a good thing to do.
    I am convinced that the faith community can play a major role in 
protecting our children from violence, in supporting commonsense gun 
legislation, in participating in our campaign against youth violence, in 
forming community partnerships to identify and intervene in the lives of 
people before it is too late.
    On this last point, I had a very good talk with the pastor of the Wedgewood Baptist Church just a few days 
ago. You know, so many of your places of worship and your organizations 
have good counseling and outreach programs. But they're not necessarily 
connected to the mental health networks and the social service networks 
and the law enforcement networks in your community. And I'm convinced a 
lot of these people are known to be profoundly disturbed by others well 
before they go out and kill people. And somehow--and also a lot of these 
people--especially this is true of men, I think--are still really hung 
up about asking for help. I know about that. That's a hard thing for men 
to do. I know about that.
    And I think there are a lot of people who would maybe be less 
reluctant to ask for help from someone like you than to show up at the 
social service office of the government, or walk right through the front 
door of a psychiatrist's or a psychologist's office. And we need to 
think about this. There is no big magic national solution for this, but 
I have examined this.
    There are many of you here from New York City. There was a 
profoundly disturbing article on the cover of the New York Times Sunday 
magazine a few months ago about the breakdown of the mental health 
network. It was talking about New York, but it could have been a story 
about any State in America. It just happened to be about New York. And I 
think that this is something we need to give serious attention to and 
something I think we could get strong bipartisan support in Congress to 
work with you on.
    The other day I was talking to Mrs. Gore 
about this. You all know how interested she is. And I had Senator 
Domenici from New Mexico in the White House 
on a totally other, different issue, and I talked to him about it. And I 
said, you know, we've got to do something about this. And he looked at 
me and said, ``You know, a lot of these people are mentally ill, but 
we're not reaching them in time, and people know that they're troubled 
before these things happen.''
    So I ask you to think about this. I think that we have to do more. 
We've got to do everything we can and much more than we have to protect 
our children and to give them back their childhoods. If you think about 
it, we can hardly do more to make America's spirit Y2K ready.
    Thank you, and God bless you.

Note: The President spoke at 9:30 a.m. in the State Dining Room at the 
White House. In his remarks, he referred to Rev. Byungchill Hahn, 
pastor, Korean United Methodist Church, Bloomington, IN, whose 
parishioner, Won-Joon Yoon, was murdered near the church on July 4; Rev. 
J. Phillip Wogaman, Rev. Gordon MacDonald, and Rev. Tony Campolo, the 
President's spiritual counselors; Ambassador at Large for International 
Religious Freedom Robert A. Seiple; and Rev. Albert R. Meredith, senior 
pastor, Wedgewood Baptist Church, Fort Worth, TX.