[Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: William J. Clinton (1997, Book II)]
[November 10, 1997]
[Pages 1535-1537]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]



Remarks During the White House Conference on Hate Crimes
November 10, 1997

[The panel discussion is joined in progress.]

    The President. Reverend Kyles said this is a dynamite panel. 
[Laughter] I think they were very good. Thank you all very much.
    Even though we tried to put the Republican on after the kid, he did 
pretty well, didn't he? [Laughter] That was so funny. [Laughter] You 
know, as good as Arizona was to me, I would never do anything like that. 
[Laughter] But you made the best of a difficult situation, because you 
did a good job, Raymond.
    Let me ask you all something. We've heard from people who work in 
enforcement, whether it's an attorney general or a police chief. We've 
heard from people who work in writing the laws. We've heard from an 
educator who's trying to systematically keep these things from happening 
in the first place and deal with it. We've heard from a minister who has 
given his whole life dealing with these matters. We've heard from a 
remarkable citizen here who changed the whole psychology of a community. 
We've heard from a young man who had an opportunity to have a remarkable 
experience, and he made, I thought, a very interesting point, which he 
deftly went by, but I don't think we should miss it. He said that he 
went to a very diverse school where there was a lot of continuing social 
segregation. And he had an opportunity to escape that on his project 
where he went to Israel.
    In various aspects, I guess most of us who have lived any length of 
time have been dealing with one or another of these issues our whole 
lives. It's been my experience, when I see some form of bigotry or 
hatred manifest in a particular person, that there's usually one of 
three reasons that this person has done something bad. One is just 
ignorance and the fear it breeds: I don't know this person who is 
different from me, I'm afraid, and I manifest this fear in bigotry or 
violence or something. We see that a lot with the gay and lesbian issues 
now, you know, where people are at least unaware that they have ever had 
a family member or a friend or someone who was homosexual, and they are 
literally terrified.
    Then there are some people--and I saw this a lot when Secretary 
Riley and I were kids growing up in the South--there are some people who 
really have an almost pathological need to look down on somebody else 
because they don't have enough regard for themselves, and so they think 
somehow they can salvage self-regard by finding somebody that at least 
they think is lower down than they are.
    And then there are people who have been brutalized themselves and 
who have no way of dealing with it, no way of coming out of it, and they 
return brutality with brutality. There may be others, but that's been my 
experience.
    Anyway, I ask you that to make this point--I announced a series of 
measures that we would take in my opening remarks, but you're in all 
these things. What advice do you have for me, for the Attorney General, 
for the Secretary of Education, the Secretary of Housing and Urban 
Development, the Secretary of Agriculture--who deals, interestingly 
enough, with some important aspects of this--and the Secretary of 
Housing and Urban Development, and Transportation--I think I've 
mentioned them all--and the Members of Congress; what is the most 
important thing the Nation can do through the National Government? What 
should we be focusing on? If you could give me advice--you've

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been very good to talk about your own experience and what you're trying 
to do--if you could give me advice in a sentence about what you think we 
ought to do to move the ball down the road to help deal with this, what 
advice would you give us? What advice would you give to Senator Kennedy 
and the House Members that are here? What should we be doing at the 
national level?
    Sheila, you want to go first? [Laughter] You're good at this, so I 
think--everybody else deserves a chance to think. You're good at this; 
you have to go first. [Laughter]

[Sheila James Kuehl, California State Assembly speaker pro tempore, 
emphasized the power of laws to express morality and the strength of a 
coalition of diverse people. She then identified assembly majority floor 
leader and conference participant Antonio R. Villaraigosa as a confirmed 
heterosexual.]

    The President. There's a man who wants to be identified. [Laughter]

[Ms. Kuehl praised Mr. Villaraigosa for associating himself with the gay 
and lesbian community in supporting California's employment 
nondiscrimination legislation.]

    The President. Anybody else want to answer that question?

[Education Secretary Richard Riley asked about preventing hate through 
character education, the arts, and sports. Peter Berendt, principal, 
Mamaroneck Avenue Elementary School, Mamaroneck, NY, responded that 
educators should encourage artistic expression as an opportunity to 
celebrate diversity.]

    The President. Raymond, talk a little more about this whole issue of 
having an integrated school that's socially segregated. What bothers you 
about it, and what do you think we can do about it?

[Raymond Delos Reyes, student at Franklin High School, Seattle, WA, 
noted that outside the classroom, students tended to associate with 
people of their own race. He then suggested that this issue should be 
addressed by group rather than individual efforts.]

    The President. Don't you think you almost have to have an organized 
effort to do it? There would almost have to be some sort of club or 
organization at the school, because if you think about it, your parents 
are still pretty well separated. Now, we all work together more than we 
ever have before, just like you go to school together. But most 
neighborhoods are still fairly segregated. Most houses of worship are 
still fairly segregated. We're making more progress on it, but I think 
you almost have to organize your way out of this.
    I guess that's why I asked you the question I did earlier, because 
every time this issue is confronted, we can point to Billings and the 
stirring story of a menorah in every window. But somehow we have to find 
a disciplined, organized way out of this, so that we reach every child 
in an affirmative way before something bad happens and so that at 
least--I don't think there is anything bad with people hanging around 
with members of their own ethnic group in a lot of different ways. I 
think that's a good thing. I just think that people also really, really 
need systematic opportunities to relate to people across racial and 
ethnic and other lines. And my own opinion is that--just from my own 
experience, is that unless there is an organized effort in your school 
to do it, it's not going to happen, because if you just wait for people 
spontaneously to go out at recess, lunch, or after school, it's just not 
going to happen. It's too much trouble. There's too much psychic risk in 
it.
    And I hope you'll be able to do something about it, because I really 
respected you for raising it. It's a big problem in every school that I 
have ever been to in this country.

[Grant Woods, Arizona's Republican attorney general, said that law 
enforcement provided justice but did not address the underlying cause of 
hate crimes. He suggested that leaders and schools must educate children 
to provide a counterbalance to the negativity often presented by popular 
culture.]

    The President. Tammie, you told your story about the brick coming 
through the window at your child's bed. Were there similar 
manifestations of bigotry among the children in the schools, or was it 
mostly older people? And is there anything going on now in the Billings 
schools to try to offset this?

[Tammie Schnitzer, of the Billings, MT, Coalition for Human Rights 
Foundation, responded that the attitudes of not only children but of 
adults, institutions, and the media need to be

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changed. Police Chief Arturo Venegas of Sacramento, CA, stated that 
leaders must present a united front and that recent progress should not 
be taken for granted. Rev. Samuel Billy Kyles, pastor of the Monumental 
Baptist Church, Memphis, TN, praised efforts of the religious community 
and the President's visit to a rebuilt Tennessee church for focusing 
attention on the problem of church burnings. Ms. Kuehl emphasized that 
legislation concerning hate crimes should not exclude hatred based on 
sexual orientation or gender.]

    The President. Once we cross the great sort of intellectual and 
emotional hurdle that might be presented to some with Senator Kennedy 
and Senator Specter's bill, I frankly think the next big problem will be 
a practical one, Sheila--you talk about ranking the categories--I think 
there is a practical question, which you can help with because you've 
written the law, which Grant can help with because Arizona has a law. 
But the Attorney General and I, we will have to answer a lot of 
questions about this law, about not whether or not rape is motivated by 
hate or not, but whether or not if we include all these categories in 
the law, we will in effect be lumping into Federal law enforcement a lot 
of crimes that are actually being prosecuted now at the State and local 
level through the existing criminal justice system in a way that will 
clog the system because we're trying to be politically sensitive, 
instead of actually going out now and covering offenses where people are 
getting away with murder by abusing people because they're gay or 
they're disabled or whatever they're doing.
    That, I think--it's a practical question, but we need your help in 
getting through that. You have a law like that in Arizona. You wrote a 
law like that in California. And that's what we're going to be asked 
when we go up there to defend Senator Kennedy's bill; that's where we're 
going to be hit--``Aren't you just creating a whole new category of 
Federal crimes that are being prosecuted anyway at the State level?'' 
and all that sort of stuff. And if you will help us, I think that will 
be very good.
    General Reno, do you want to say anything before we wrap up?

[Attorney General Janet Reno stressed the need to improve cooperation 
between Federal and local authorities to report, investigate, and 
prosecute hate crimes. Police Chief Venegas advocated bringing the 
resources of the Federal Government to bear on the issue.]

    The President. Thank you.
    Secretary Riley, do you want to wrap up for us?

[Education Secretary Riley concluded the panel and thanked the 
participants.]

    The President. Thank you very much.
    Ladies and gentlemen, as you know, we're going to break for lunch 
now, and then the whole conference will resume. Again, I want to thank 
President Trachtenberg and George Washington, but I mostly want to thank 
all of you, because the real answer to our success in this endeavor is 
obviously that we all have to work together. And all of you can strike 
new energy into this entire endeavor around the country. We will take 
our initiatives that we outlined today--we urge you to give us more 
ideas--but you are actually the heart and soul of this endeavor, and a 
lot of you have stories that I wish all the rest of us could sit and 
hear today.
    Thank you for being here, and thank you for being a part of the 
conference.

Note: The President spoke at 1:15 p.m. in the Dorothy Betts Marvin 
Theater at George Washington University.