    [Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: William J. Clinton (1997, Book I)]
    [March 7, 1997]
    [Pages 251-262]
    [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]

    The President's News Conference
    March 7, 1997

        The President. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Today we
    learned some very good news about the American economy. Our Nation has
    created almost 600,000 new jobs in the first 2 months of 1997, almost 12
    million since January of 1992. At the same time, the deficit has been
    reduced by 63 percent; investment in our people has increased; inflation
    remains low. Our economy is on the right track. But to stay on that
    right track, we have to balance the budget while we go forward with the
    work that leads to continued growth and low inflation. That's what our
    balanced budget will do, eliminating the deficit in 5 years and
    strengthening critical investments for the future of all of our people.
        Last week the Congressional Budget Office certified that even under
    its assumptions, because of the protections we built into the budget, it
    would be balanced by 2002. So I am hopeful, and I want to say again that
    the talks we have been continually having with congressional leaders in
    both parties will produce a balanced budget agreement this year and in
    the not too distant future.
        I also want to talk a moment about our commitments to our Gulf war
    veterans. And I thank Secretary Brown and the other veterans leaders who
    are here, including Elaine Larson from the Presidential Advisory
    Committee on Gulf War Illnesses, the leadership of the Veterans of
    Foreign Wars and other veterans organizations, and the Persian Gulf
    veterans who join with us here today.
        Two months ago, when I accepted the final report of the Presidential
    Advisory Committee on Gulf War Illnesses, I pledged to the Committee and
    to all America's veterans that we would match their efforts with action.
    Today I am announcing three important steps to meet that pledge and our
    debt to our veterans.
        First, I have approved Secretary Brown's recommendation for the new
    regulations to extend the eligibility period for compensation for
    Persian Gulf veterans with undiagnosed illnesses. We aim to raise
    significantly the window for Gulf veterans to claim the compensation
    they have earned. Under current regulations, veterans with undiagnosed
    illnesses must prove their disabilities emerged within 2 years of their
    return from the Gulf in order to be eligible for benefits. Experience
    has shown that many disabled veterans have had their claims denied
    because they fall outside that 2-year timeframe. The proposed new
    regulations would extend the timeframe through the year 2001. That is 10
    years after the cessation of hostilities in the Gulf war. Gulf war
    veterans who became ill as a result of their service should receive the
    compensation they deserve even if science cannot yet pinpoint the cause
    of their illnesses.
        Second, I have accepted from the Secretaries of Defense, Health and
    Human Services, and Veterans Affairs a comprehensive action plan to
    implement the recommendations of the Presidential Advisory Committee's
    final report. I asked for this plan within 60 days, and they delivered.
    The plan addresses outreach, medical and clinical issues, research,
    coordination, investigations, and chemical and biological weapons. It
    will help us to do an even better job of

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    caring for Gulf war veterans and finding out why they're sick.
        Third and finally, as the Committee recommended, I have initiated a
    Presidential review directive process to make sure that in any future
    troop deployments, we act on lessons learned in the Gulf to better
    protect the health of our service men and women and their families. We
    need to focus on better communication, better data, and better service.
        The Committee's work and a massive, intensive, ongoing review of
    millions of pages of documents by the Department of Defense and the CIA
    continues to bring new information to light, including recently released
    documents about possible exposure of our troops to chemical agents. The
    scope of the efforts is substantial, and if there is additional
    information, it will be found and released. We will be asking two very
    important questions about any such new information. First, should it
    change the research or health care programs we have in place to care for
    our veterans? And second, how will it help us to make the policy changes
    we need to better protect our forces in future deployments?
        What is most important is that we remain relentless in our search
    for the facts and that as we do get new information, we share it with
    our veterans, with Congress, and with the American people, and that we
    act on any information we uncover. That is what we have done and what we
    must continue to do. I will not stop until we've done everything we can
    to provide the care and to find the answers for Gulf war veterans that
    they need and deserve.
        And again let me say, I thank all of you for your work and for being
    with us here today.
        Now I'll be glad to take your questions, and I think, Terry [Terence
    Hunt, Associated Press], you're the first.

    1996 Campaign Financing

        Q. Yes, sir, Mr. President. We learned this week that the Vice
    President solicited campaign contributions in the White House and that
    the First Lady's Chief of Staff accepted a $50,000 campaign contribution
    in the White House. This comes on the heels of news about White House
    sleepovers and White House coffees for big-money donors. You, sir,
    promised to have the most ethical administration in history. How does
    all of this square with that?
        The President. Well, first of all, let's take them one by one. I
    don't believe that they undermine the case. But let me begin by saying
    there were problems in the fundraising in 1996 which have been well-
    identified. And the Democratic Party commissioned its own audit, did a
    review, made the results public, and took appropriate action. I think
    that is very important, and I'm proud of that.
        The second thing I want to say is, I thought the Vice President did
    a good job of explaining what he did and why, and explaining exactly
    what he intended to do in the future.
        With regard to Maggie Williams, I'd like to make a comment about
    that. She is an honorable person. She was put in a rather unusual
    circumstance, and as a courtesy, she agreed to do what the relevant
    regulation plainly provides for, which is to forward the check on to the
    Democratic National Committee. Now, in retrospect, with all of the
    publicity that's attended the whole contribution issue, would it have
    been better if Maggie Williams had said, ``Look, I can do this under the
    regulations, but I decided I shouldn't do it. And I want you to go mail
    it in yourself or take it over there yourself''--that would have been a
    better thing to do. And in the future, I expect that the White House
    will follow that course should such an occasion ever arise again.
        But finally, I want to make the point I have been trying to make to
    the American people. We had to work hard within the law to raise a lot
    of money, to be competitive. We did work hard, and I'm glad we did,
    because the stakes were high and the divisions between us in Washington
    at that time were very great. We still fell over $200 million short of
    the money raised by the committees of the Republican Party.
        The real problem and the reason you have some of the questions you
    have, I think--unless you just believe that all transactions between
    contributors and politicians are inherently suspect, which I don't
    believe and I think is wrong for either party--the real problem is these
    campaigns cost too much money, they take too much time, and they will
    continue to do so until we pass campaign finance reform. If we pass
    campaign finance reform, as I've asked, by July 4th, then the situation
    will get better. If we don't, we will still be raising too much money,
    and it will take too much time and effort

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    on the part of everyone involved. So I'm hopeful that we can.
        But I believe that both the Vice President and Maggie Williams are
    highly ethical people, and I do not believe that either one would
    knowingly do anything wrong.
        This business of raising money takes a lot of time, and if you have
    to do too much of it, it will take too much time and raise too many
    questions. But I do not agree with the inherent premise that some have
    advanced that there is somehow something intrinsically wrong with a
    person that wants to give money to a person running for office and that
    if you accept it, that something bad has happened. I don't agree with
    that. I don't think there is something intrinsically bad. But the system
    is out of whack, and I think we all know it and we all know it's not
    going to get better until and unless we pass a reasonable campaign
    finance reform law.
        Helen [Helen Thomas, United Press International].
        Q. Mr. President, Governor Romer said that Maggie Williams was wrong
    to accept the check, and you obviously seem to agree in retrospect.
    But----
        The President. No, no, I'm not going to say Maggie Williams did
    anything wrong. And I don't want to be--you all will have to deal with
    this as best you can, but I want to be clear. She is an honorable
    person. There is a regulation that deals with this which explicitly says
    that when something--if you receive a contribution and all you do is
    just pass it on and you've been involved in no way in any solicitation
    on public property and you're just passing it through, that that is what
    the regulation provides for. It is explicit and clear.
        What I said was, I think that she would say in retrospect and I
    would say, given the extreme sensitivity now everyone has to all these
    contribution issues, that she should have said to the gentleman in
    question, ``Look, I can do this legally, but I don't want to do it
    because I think we should remove all question, all doubt. I think you
    ought to go mail it yourself. Go take it down there yourself.'' And
    that's what I think the White House should do in the future if someone
    physically is present in the White House and attempts to do that.
        Q. Mr. President, in your zeal for funds during the last campaign,
    didn't you put the Vice President and Maggie and all the others in your
    administration topside in a very vulnerable position?
        The President. I disagree with that. How are we vulnerable,
    because--only vulnerable if you think it is inherently bad to raise
    funds and you believe that these transactions are between people who are
    almost craven. I mean, that's how--I don't agree with that. Maggie
    Williams, in this case, was completely passive. She didn't ask someone
    to come in and give her a check. And she had no reason to believe there
    was anything wrong with it, with the check involved. She just simply did
    what the regulation explicitly provides for, which is to pass it on.
        Now, in the case of the Vice President, he can speak for himself,
    but I have to tell you, we knew what we were facing. We knew no matter
    what happened, we would be badly outspent. We believed in what we stood
    for. From time to time, we were surprised we had as many folks who were
    willing to stick with us as there were. But we are proud of the fact
    that, within the limits of the law, we worked hard to raise money so
    that we could get our message out there and we would not be buried,
    literally buried, by the amount of money that the other side had at
    their disposal.
        There were the problems that we identified, which we've been very
    forthright about. We got an external auditor to come into the Democratic
    Party. They have taken the steps to correct them. But it was--we had
    never faced anything like that before in American politics, and we did
    the very best we could with it. And I don't think we were compromised by
    fighting for what we believed in within the limits of the law.
        I do believe that this system is not good now. It is so expensive.
    It requires too much time, too much energy. And the more effort you put
    into it, the more opportunity you have for some sort of--something going
    wrong. So what I think has to be done is we have to reform the law. But
    until we get some energy behind an effort to reform the law, you know,
    if it's just me and Senator McCain and Senator Feingold and a few others
    who support us for it, we can't pass it, and you will be left with the
    same system next time and the time after that and the time after that.
    And because of the exponential rise in the cost of buying air time and
    other means of communication, we'll have all these questions all over
    again, time and time and time again.

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        Go ahead--Rita [Rita Braver, CBS News] first, and then Wolf [Wolf
    Blitzer, Cable News Network]. I'll just do it that way.

    White House Access

        Q. I'm going to ask your forbearance, because this question is a
    little bit long. But this is about Johnny Chung, the person who gave the
    check to Maggie Williams. In April of '95, about a month after he gave
    that check, he came in here to the White House; he brought in five
    Chinese officials. Someone on your staff sent a memo to the National
    Security Council saying that you were not certain you'd want photos of
    you with these people floating around. I wanted to ask you why you were
    worried about that, and also why, after a highly knowledgeable NSC
    official wrote back that he was a hustler who will continue to make
    efforts to bring in his friends into contact with the President and
    First Lady and whose clients might not always be in favor of business
    ventures the President would support--why did he keep getting back in
    here? What was your relationship to him? And he now says that it was at
    least implicit, if not explicit, that he would get this access for the
    money he gave.
        The President. Well, first of all, you asked me two questions
    really.
        Q. Four. [Laughter]
        The President. Why did I--well, I'll answer the two I can remember,
    then if I don't suit you, you can ask again. [Laughter]
        I just had--as I have said before on this question of White House
    access, we did not have an adequate system here. I assumed, wrongly as
    it turned out, that there were kind of established procedures which were
    sort of handed on from administration to administration that had nothing
    to do with whoever happened to be here about--that controlled and
    developed access. And I was wrong about that. So that's what I assumed
    generally was in place until we became aware that they weren't.
        But on this particular day, I just had an instinct that maybe
    whatever the rules were, that we didn't maybe know enough about these
    folks to know whether there should be a picture there. I didn't assume
    anything negative about them; I just thought that we just didn't know.
        Now, with regard to the memo about Mr. Chung, I can't answer that
    question because I never saw it, and no one ever told me it had been
    written, and I don't know who did see it. So I really can't answer that
    whole cluster of questions because the first I ever knew such a memo had
    been written was when it was discussed in the public domain. I did not
    know that. I had no reason to believe that there was any problem there.
        Q. And what was your relationship with Mr. Chung? How did you come
    to know him? How did he get into your office and write you letters that
    you replied to? There is lots of record of that.
        The President. Well, I like to think we're pretty good about
    replying to our letters, and I don't think there is anything wrong with
    that. I don't remember how I met him, but I think I met him at some
    Democratic Party event. I'm sure that's where I met him. I didn't have a
    relationship with him prior to my becoming President, to the best of my
    knowledge.
        Wolf.

    Decision on an Independent Counsel

        Q. Mr. President, early in your administration, when you were faced
    with a similar round of pressure for a special prosecutor to investigate
    Whitewater, you made it easy on Janet Reno by preempting her and saying,
    ``Yes, it's time for a special prosecutor''--Robert Fiske, in that
    particular case--``to go forward.'' And ever since--you know, the
    history of Whitewater. Why not make it easy for Janet Reno this time and
    similarly preempt her and say, ``Yes, there's enough of a threshold,
    enough of the law has been met to go forward and get to the bottom of
    this''?
        The President. For one thing, there was no law at the time. And I
    might point out that if there had been a law, either the previous law or
    this law, there would have been no special prosecutor because the
    threshold of the law was not met. And you know, the American people will
    have to make a judgment about whether all of this has been worth it when
    the facts come out. But the threshold of the law was not met, and I
    doubt very seriously if one ever would have been called if any law had
    been in place.
        Now there is a law in place. It is a legal question. I do not think
    it should become a political question. And I have been very rigorous in
    dealing with this and saying it in just that way, and I'm going to stick
    with my position.
        Peter [Peter Maer, NBC Mutual Radio].

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    1996 Campaign Financing

        Q.  Mr. President, you again today, Vice President Gore the other
    day, and your staffs have repeatedly told us that no laws were broken in
    the Lincoln Bedroom issue, in the phone calls for donations, in Maggie
    Williams accepting and then passing along the donation to the DNC. But
    cumulatively, Mr. President, what are your thoughts on the propriety and
    the appearance of all of these various actions?
        The President. Well, let's take them one at a time. The Vice
    President has said that he believes he should--if he makes further
    fundraising calls as opposed to attending fundraising events, he should
    not make them from his office even if it is paid for with a political
    credit card.
        I have said that I believe Maggie Williams thinks, in view of the
    environment in which we now are, that even though there is an explicit
    regulation on this--right on point on this--that what she probably
    wishes she had said and what I expect future employees to say is,
    ``Look, I can take this; it is legal. But we're not going to do it this
    way. You have to mail it in, or you have to take it in yourself.''
        On the third thing, I just have a different view of this than you
    do. We have--I have done something no President has ever done. I mean, I
    gave you a list of the people that spent the night in the White House.
    And it shows that a relatively small percentage of them, about one in
    nine, were people that I met in the course of running for President, who
    supported me for President, who either gave me contributions or also
    helped to raise money for me.
        The people that did that, I'm grateful to them for doing that. I
    appreciate the fact that they helped me in the campaign in '92. And the
    document which was released, which most of you reported on, which showed
    the note I had sent back to Nancy Hernreich, makes it clear that I
    wanted to get back in touch with those people. I appreciated what they
    had done. I didn't want them to feel estranged from me. And I don't
    think there is anything wrong with a President--me or anyone else--
    reaching out to his supporters.
        And some of them, including--let me just give you--I mean, I can
    give you lots of examples, but there have been a lot of different kinds
    of people who spent the night here. But one of the newspapers made an
    issue of B. Rapoport from Texas. Well, he was my friend 25 years ago.
    When I was a defeated candidate for Congress with a campaign debt that
    was almost twice my annual salary, he was my friend. When I was the
    youngest former Governor in the history of the Republic and nobody felt
    I had any political future, he was my personal friend. I don't think
    there is anything wrong with having people like that spend the night
    with you.
        So you can make your own judgments about this. But I have tried to
    be very forthright with you about this. I've given you all of this
    information, and you can make your own judgments. But I just simply
    disagree that it is wrong for a President to ask his friends and
    supporters to spend time with him.
        And let me remind you of one problem. A lot of you who have to
    travel around with me are acutely aware of this. This job, even when
    you're traveling, can be a very isolating job. Usually when you travel
    someplace, you go someplace; you stay a little while; you turn around
    and leave. If you go to these fundraisers--on the coffees, for example,
    I'm the one that's most responsible--or for the dinners out, the
    fundraising dinners--I get frustrated going to meetings and goings where
    all you do is shake hands with somebody or you take a picture, no words
    ever change. You never know what somebody's got on their mind, or they
    never get a chance to talk to you. You never have any real human
    contact. I look for ways to have genuine conversations with people. I
    learn things when I listen to people.
        But I can tell you this: I don't believe you can find any evidence
    of the fact that I have changed Government policy solely because of a
    contribution. It's just that I don't think I should refuse to listen to
    people who supported me or refuse to be around them or tell people,
    ``Well, you contributed to the campaign. Therefore, even though I'd love
    to have you come see me at the White House, I can't do it anymore.'' And
    you will just have to sort through that and evaluate whether you agree
    with that or not. But that's how I feel.
        Q. Are those who question the propriety off base? Is that what
    you're saying?
        The President. Well, no, I'm saying that I do not believe that
    inviting people to spend the night with me at the White House, the
    overwhelming majority of whom were personal friends of mine of long
    standing, family members, friends of family members, friends of my
    daughter's, dignitaries, public officials, former

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    public officials--some of whose connection with me really did begin in
    1991 when I started running for President and that involved their
    willingness to give me money or to raise money for me--I don't think
    that that is a bad thing.
        What I think is a bad thing is to say--and again, this may not be
    illegal either, and you know the documents also show that I stopped
    this--I don't think a political party should say, ``If you give this
    amount of money, we'll guarantee you this specific access. If you give
    that amount of money, we'll guarantee you that specific access.'' I
    don't think that a political party should say or a President should say,
    ``If you want access to us, you have to contribute. And if you want
    access to us, you not only have to contribute to us, you can't
    contribute to them.'' I never did any of that.
        As I have said before, one of the most important meetings I had
    about China policy was one organized by Republicans; as far as I know,
    none of them had ever done anything in my behalf before. But it was
    important.
        I just don't think you should eliminate contacts with your
    supporters. And I don't think that anyone else--if you really think
    about it, I don't think you will think that, either.
        John [John Donvan, ABC News].
        Q. Mr. President, in listening to many of your supporters and aides
    respond to these questions over the last several weeks, one note that I
    think I hear is one of frustration, a sense that these questions are
    unfair and the focus on the Democrats is unfair. But I also find
    something unsatisfactory in that response, and my question to you as
    somebody who has enormous power to lead by example, is it good enough to
    say that everybody else does it?
        The President. No, no, and I'm not trying to say that. I'm going to
    try to get through this whole press conference and never talk about the
    practices of the Republicans. [Laughter] I'm going to do my best to get
    all the way--I don't think that's a good example.
        And I also don't think it's good enough to say it is legal. I think
    we should be held to a higher standard than just, ``It is legal.'' But
    what I do want you to know is, when it is obvious that we have a
    disagreement--when I read reports or see them on television and I
    think--you see this in a certain way, and I just honestly see it in a
    different way--I think it's helpful to the American people and to you
    and to me for me to tell you how I see it, that's all.
        But I think there are things that when we see them in the light of
    day, even if we've been given guidance about what the limits of what the
    law are, it seems that it's not a prudent thing to do. I thought the
    Vice President gave a very upfront and forthright statement about that
    the other day. So I don't believe it's enough to say everybody does it.
        On the other hand, I don't believe either that we can afford to run
    the risk of having one party just kind of disappear from the scene
    because they don't do what--they're unwilling to do what is necessary to
    be competitive in raising funds in the system that exists, which is why
    I say to you, in the end, we should set a high standard. But if I
    honestly disagree with you about what's right and wrong, I should be
    free to say that. But in the end, the answer to this is to pass a
    reasonable campaign finance reform bill this year. That's what I really
    believe.
        Yes, go ahead.
        Q. Mr. President, you have--you and your officials have given us a
    number of explanations over the past several months about what you
    thought was legal. You said you got clear legal advice and gave us the
    impression that the dividing line on solicitations for contributions--
    that the dividing line between right and wrong was whether or not that
    solicitation took place at the White House. But when we learned that the
    Vice President did just that, then we were told that that wasn't the
    standard after all. Which is right?
        The President. Well, let me just say on the--I think that's one the
    Vice President--first of all, I think they're both right, and let me
    explain why. Because it's clear that what the law is on this, going back
    a long time, is that it's as if he'd written a letter to somebody from
    the White House. Did the solicitation occur when he wrote the letter or
    when the letter is received? And the law is clearly that the
    solicitation is consummated, if you will, when the person is solicited
    and where the person is solicited.
        And the Vice President thought that as long as he was not using
    taxpayer money to make the call, that it was legal. I think he was right
    about that. He also thought about it and said, ``If I ever do this
    again''--in terms of calls--``I'm not going to do it in my office
    because it doesn't look right. We ought to have a higher

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    standard.'' And I was proud of him for saying that.
        But I think that's what--that goes back to the question that John
    said. There is a difference between--sometimes there is a difference
    between what is legal and what ought to be done, and this is a place
    where I think there is a difference, and I think we've made that clear.
    And I was proud of the statement that he made.
        Q. Mr. President, your Press Secretary this week left open the
    possibility that you, too, had made calls like the Vice President did.
    Did you ever make those calls?
        The President. I told him to leave that possibility open because I'm
    not sure, frankly. I don't like to raise funds in that way. I never have
    liked it very much. I prefer to meet with people face to face, talk to
    them, deal with them in that way. And I also, frankly, was very busy
    most of the times that it's been raised with me. But I can't say, over
    all the hundreds and hundreds and maybe thousands of phone calls I've
    made in the last 4 years, that I never said to anybody while I was
    talking to them, ``Well, we need your help,'' or ``I hope you'll help
    us.''
        So I told him not to flat out say that I'd never done it because I
    simply can't say that I've never done it. But it's not what I like to
    do, and it wasn't a practice of mine. And once I remember in particular,
    I was asked to do it, and I just never got around to doing it.
        But I don't believe the Vice President did anything wrong in making
    the calls. I know some people have advanced the proposition that the
    Vice President should not ever ask anybody for funds, at least unless
    he's looking at them face to face as opposed to on the telephone. I just
    disagree with that. I do think he made the right decision about not
    doing it in the office.
        So I asked that that be--that Mike McCurry do it in that way, not to
    mislead you or to be cute but just simply because I don't want to flat
    out say I never did something that I might, in fact, have done, just
    because I don't remember it.
        Susan [Susan Feeney, Dallas Morning News].
        Q. You said that you've operated within the parameter of the laws,
    but in retrospect, do you have any regret about the quantity of campaign
    activity that happened in the White House?
        The President. You mean--I do not regret the friends that I have
    asked to come and stay with me here. And in terms of the coffees, based
    on what I knew the facts to be and what I still believe they were, that
    no one was going to be solicited at the meeting and that there was no
    specific price tag on coming to the coffees, which is what my
    understanding was, I don't regret doing that.
        As I said--again, this is a matter of perception. I really was--I
    mean, I think I was more upset maybe than some of you were when I found
    out that my party was not checking the checks that were coming in. I was
    livid and stunned that in 1996, after all we'd been through in the last
    20 years, that could have happened. It took my breath away. I was upset
    when I saw a proposed brochure that says, ``This is the access you get
    to the President in the White House if you have this amount of money. If
    you give that amount of money you get guaranteed a certain amount of
    other access.'' I thought that was wrong.
        But on the other hand, I have a different take on some of this than
    you do. I am, as I said--I want to take personal responsibility for
    this. If you find the coffees offensive--I can't say if somebody did
    something around the coffees they shouldn't have done, but if you find
    the fact of the President having coffee at the White House with people
    who either have supported him in the past or who he hopes will support
    him in the future--I am personally responsible for that, and I take full
    responsibility for it, because I enjoyed them enormously. I found them
    interesting. I found them valuable. I found that all these people, many
    of whom had been active in elections for years and they'd done all kinds
    of different things with their lives, were given the first chance they'd
    ever had to just sort of say, ``Here's my idea, and I hope you'll
    consider it,'' or ``Here's what I think you should do,'' or ``Here's
    where I think you're wrong.'' And I genuinely enjoyed them, and I did
    not believe they were improper.
        And I still believe as long as there was no specific price tag put
    on those coffees, just the fact that they would later be asked to help
    the President or the party does not render them improper. That's what I
    believe.
        Mara [Mara Liasson, National Public Radio].
        Q. My question really was, if you had it to do all over again, would
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    things outside of the White House or had stricter standards about what
    political things would be done in the White House?
        The President. Well, if I had it to do all over again, we would fix
    what we have now fixed. We would have stricter standards about admission
    to the White House. And the answer to your other question--I hesitate to
    give you a general answer because there may be some facts about a
    particular coffee or another that I don't know. All I'm saying is that
    based on what I thought the facts were, which is these were people that
    we hoped would help us, some of whom had helped us in the past, some of
    whom had never helped us, and they were going to be invited here, and I
    was going to have coffee with them, and we're going to talk about
    things, after which some or all of them--not all of them, as it turned
    out, but many of them would be solicited to help in the campaign--I do
    not believe that was wrong, and I feel comfortable about what I did
    there.
        I wish--I've said this a million times--I almost wish that one of
    you had been in all of these coffees, because they were, frankly, fairly
    pedestrian events in the sense that nothing very juicy was discussed,
    but people got to come out with their ideas, state their convictions.
    And maybe there ought to be some way of dealing with that. Maybe at
    least you ought to have some assurance that, if these sort of things
    were done like this on a regular basis, at least, that you ought to have
    some knowledge of what goes on in them, and that might make you feel
    better about it.
        Mr. Cannon [Carl Cannon, Baltimore Sun].

    Access and Economic Issues

        Q. Mr. President, you said a moment ago that no decision or policy
    made here was solely because of a contributor. But should that be a
    factor at all in U.S. foreign policy and who gets Government contracts
    and who goes on trade missions? Should that even be considered at all?
        The President. Well, what I think should--let me just say this. This
    is the nub; this is the difficulty. Every public official--this is a
    problem or an issue that the President, Members of Congress, Governors,
    mayors all face. People who help you, people who try to help you put
    your program in, you try to stay in touch with them, so you're more
    likely to know if they want to do something than you are people who
    didn't help you and people who weren't involved in it. The instructions
    that I gave were, if someone who helped us wants to be considered for an
    appointment, they ought to be considered for the appointment, but they
    shouldn't get it unless they're qualified for it. They shouldn't be
    disqualified because they have been a supporter of ours.
        That's the way I felt about the trade missions. If someone wanted to
    go on a trade mission and was qualified and could make a contribution,
    then they ought to get to go. But if they would never get to go in a
    thousand years, that no one would think they should have any business on
    the trade mission and the only reason they were going to get to go was
    because they contributed to us, I didn't think they should go.
        But I think it's disingenuous for anybody in public life to say that
    it doesn't help you to be considered for these things if you help the
    person who happens to win an election, because you have to stay in touch
    with the people that helped you. And it is a good thing to do. That's
    the way the political system works. That's the way--I would expect that
    of a Republican or a Democrat or an independent who got elected to any
    office, that people that helped you and people that you know, people you
    have confidence in, you ought to listen to them. But you should never
    make a decision and do something solely because they have helped you
    before or solely in anticipation of something they might do for you in
    the future.
        And what we have to do is to have our decisions open enough and
    transparent enough that the American people can see that that is being
    done. And I can tell you, people come to you in all different kinds of
    ways. For example--let me just give you one example. It's not a trade
    mission, but I'll just give you one example. There was a huge amount of
    money at stake in the private sector in the legislation involving the
    telecommunications reform. It was the first time we had reformed
    telecommunications in 60 years. You all are in it. You know better than
    I do how much it's changing--all the competition issues, massive amounts
    of money.
        The Vice President has been interested in this issue forever. In our
    weekly lunches, we spent endless amounts of time talking about the
    telecommunications act, what it should look like, and we took a
    position. We then found we had all these people who came to us and
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    us, many of whom had been Republicans their whole lives, who were
    independent long distance telephone operators. And they came to us
    because the majority party had decided to take a position favored by the
    larger telephone companies.
        We had a clear public position beforehand. Should we not have
    accepted their contribution? Should we not have accepted their support
    and help? I think we did the right thing. Now, flip it around. If they
    had been helping us all along, but we agreed with them, should we have
    weakened in our advocacy just because they were supporting us?
        In other words, I think the whole reason for the first round of
    campaign reform--let's go back to that--is that all these contributions
    should be made public and you should be free to evaluate them and you
    should be free to determine and to speculate and to probe about whether
    the money we received from such and such a group has affected a decision
    we made and does it undermine or support the public interest. You should
    be free to do that. That's why full disclosure is important. But I think
    that unless we're going to a completely publicly financed system,
    contributors will always have access to public officials, then other
    kinds of people will who helped them. That's the way it is.
        Mara, go ahead.
        Q. Mr. President, you say that there is no evidence that you've ever
    changed a policy because of someone you met with. But what does appear
    to have occurred is that certain people traded on their access. In other
    words, access to you became a valuable business commodity to get new
    clients or impress their current clients. Do you think that that meets
    the higher standard that you want the White House to adhere to?
        The President. Well, what I think about that is that we need to
    evaluate whether we did anything which would give the impression that we
    were trying to help someone get business. In other words, I can't say
    who, beyond the reach of our personal contacts, would be impressed with
    people who had their picture taken with me. After today, it may be that
    everybody will go broke unless they take the pictures off the wall. I
    don't know. But I can't say that.
        What I can say is that the White House should not knowingly permit
    the White House or the Presidency or the Vice Presidency to be used to
    advance some private economic interest. And that--you've put your finger
    on something that is troubling to me, and we have to evaluate that more.
    And it's one of the reasons that I wanted to make sure that we had a
    system in place on access and on all of these things that will meet that
    standard in the future, and I believe we've done that. But I think
    that's a legitimate problem.
        Jim [Jim Miklaszewski, NBC News].
        Q. Mr. President----
        The President. Just a minute, I'll come back to you.

    1996 Campaign Financing and Partial Birth Abortion

        Q. Mr. President, when you vetoed the ban on partial birth abortion,
    you said you did so to protect the lives of the mothers and because they
    were fairly rare. Well, it's since been revealed that there are
    approximately 5,000 of these so-called partial birth abortions performed
    every year, 90 percent of them in the 5th and 6th month. Would you now
    support a ban if it included provisions to protect the mother but would
    ban the procedure also in the 5th and 6th month?
        And one second unrelated question, did the White House discover if
    there were any other checks or money passed besides the $50,000 to
    Maggie Williams? [Laughter]
        The President. That's fair. No, that's a fair question. As far as I
    know, that did not happen. As far as I know, any other checks that came
    in, we really didn't--were things that came in the mail and were just
    routinely referred. And I don't even know if there were any of those or
    how many there were. But as far as I know, there was no other instance
    like the one involving Maggie.
        Now, let me answer the other question as clearly as I can. The
    admission by the gentleman in question, that, you know, he thought he
    was misrepresenting the facts to the Congress in the last debate, has
    caused a lot of stir here. But I believe--and I tried to be clear about
    this at the time--I was under the impression that the facts are just as
    we all said they were, more or less what you've said. I don't know that
    we have exact numbers.
        What I said before was, and let me restate it, I sought to get a
    bill I could sign that would ban this procedure when it was
    inappropriate, because there would be other avenues available

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    if an abortion was otherwise legal. What I was concerned about again--
    and you said 500, I think, so let's just take your number. We don't
    really know.
        Q. Actually, I think it's 5,000.
        The President. Five thousand total, of whom a small proportion,
    maybe 10 percent or so, are like those five women that I had in the
    White House. I will say again, they are my concern. They are my only
    concern. And I would remind you that three of those five women
    identified themselves to me as pro-life voters. And they were told that
    unless they had a procedure which would be banned under the law that I
    vetoed, after it was over, the babies they would be carrying would be
    dead and their bodies would never be able to have another baby. That is
    my only concern. I have made that as clear as I can.
        So I can't answer the question that you asked me any clearer than
    that because I want to see the language of any proposed bill. I think
    you can make a very compelling case that for the small number of people
    I'm trying to protect, this is the biggest issue in their entire lives
    and that for them my position is the pro-life position. And I believe
    that it would be a mistake for us to pass this bill one more time
    without taking care of those folks. When--because, as you just pointed
    out, Mr. Miklaszewski, because anybody that's in the first two
    trimesters that has an elective procedure will still have access to
    another one in a different way after the bill passes.
        So, in a funny way, this might not work to reduce the overall number
    of abortions at all. But in the end, what it could do is every year to
    take a few hundred women and wreck their lives and wreck the possibility
    that they could have further children. That's why I was working on this.
    And if we can solve that problem, I will happily sign this bill. This
    thing is a real--it has hurt the American people, dealing with this. And
    I don't mean it's harmed physically; I mean, this has been a great
    emotional trauma for the American people trying to come to grips with
    this issue and deal with it. It's a deep thing out there around the
    country, and it goes way beyond the traditional pro-life/pro-choice
    fight or disagreement.
        I would like to see us bring some harmony to this and put it behind
    us. But every time anybody mentions this, I remember so vividly the
    faces of those five women and their life stories and what happened to
    them afterward. And a few hundred people a year, they don't have much
    votes or influence, but they're the people I'm concerned about, and
    they're the people I'm going to try to protect right down to the end.
        Let's take one from Sarah [Sarah McClendon, McClendon News Service].
    And then I've got to take one from Jill Dougherty [Cable News Network]
    because she's about to go to Moscow, and she needs to have her parting
    shot. Go ahead.

    American Sovereignty

        Q. Sir, this is on another subject. We have a very great problem in
    this country today, and I wonder if you would use your leadership to
    counteract the rumormongers that are abroad in the land who are
    spreading all these rumors that are scaring people to death; large
    segments of our citizens believe that the United Nations is taking over
    whole blocks of counties in Kentucky and Tennessee. [Laughter]
        The President. Yes.
        Q. And some of them, they believe that----
        The President. Now, you all are laughing, but----
        Q. ----you're going to put us in a concentration camp and you're
    going to give our Army to Russia and all that baloney. Could you do
    something about this, because it's hurting the unity of the United
    States.
        The President. I don't know, because the people who believe that
    think I'm the problem. [Laughter] We're all laughing about it, but there
    is not an insubstantial number of people who believe that there is a
    plan out there for world domination and I'm trying to give American
    sovereignty over to the U.N. There was a--I read in our local Arkansas
    newspaper, one of them the other day had a letter to the editor saying
    that there I go again, there's Clinton out there trying to give American
    sovereignty over to the United Nations.
        Let me just say this: For people that are worried about it, I would
    say, there is a serious issue here that every American has to come to
    grips with--including Americans that don't much think about foreign
    policy until some great problem occurs--and that is, how can we be an
    independent, sovereign nation leading the world in a world that is
    increasingly interdependent, that requires us to cooperate with other
    people and then to deal with very difficult

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    circumstances in trying to determine how best to cooperate?
        That's the issue that you will all be reporting on for the next week
    in the Mexico certification issue. Did I do the right thing to certify
    Mexico? Are the Members of Congress who disagree with me right when they
    say we should have decertified Mexico and then given a national interest
    waiver so we could continue to cooperate economically and in others
    ways?
        I strongly believe I was right. But we don't--if you want to go into
    that, we can later, but the issue is, we live in an interdependent
    world. We have to cooperate with people. We're better off when we do.
    We're better off with NATO. We're better off with the United Nations.
    We're better off when these countries can work together. So I just think
    for folks that are worried about this out in the country, they need to
    be thinking about how--we're not going to give up our freedom, our
    independence, but we're not going to go it alone into the 21st century
    either. We're going to work together, and we have to.
        Jill?

    Russia and NATO Expansion

        Q. Thank you very much, Mr. President. Speaking of Russia and NATO,
    yesterday we heard President Boris Yeltsin saying that the purpose of
    the motivation by the West for NATO expansion is to squeeze Russia out
    of Europe and politically marginalize it. And in a couple of weeks,
    you'll be sitting down with Mr. Yeltsin again. We've heard similar
    things from the Russians many times. Are you making any progress in
    changing the Russians' position on this?
        The President. Well, I hope so. Let me answer the--I'd like to make
    two points about it. First of all, this meeting that we're going to have
    in Helsinki, President Yeltsin and I, it will be very important. And yet
    it's important to recognize that it's part of a regular pattern of
    meetings over the last several years which have changed the nature of
    U.S.-Russian relations forever, I hope, so that it will be a meeting
    that will be extremely candid, extremely straightforward, and I hope it
    will deal with not only the question of Russia's relationship to Europe
    but also what we can do with the Russians to continue to reduce the
    nuclear threat and what we can do with the Russians to help them to
    build their economy, because I'm convinced that they have the capacity,
    if they can make certain changes, to enjoy a phenomenal amount of
    economic growth in a relatively short time, which I think would help a
    lot of things in their country.
        Now, on the merits, I have said since 1993 that one of my dreams for
    the 21st century world is a Europe that for the first time is united,
    democratic, and free. Since the dawn of nation-states, about the
    beginning of the last millennium in Europe, it has never been so. There
    has never been a single time when Europe was united, democratic, and
    free. The final capstone to that, I think, is working out a security
    relationship with NATO, a European Union that is expanding and still
    tied--a Europe still tied to the United States and to Canada, to North
    America, not only economically and politically but also in terms of our
    security alliance, but also has a special relationship with Russia and
    does not rule out even Russian membership in a common security alliance.
        The best answer I can give to President Yelstin is, what are we
    doing with NATO to-day and with whom are we doing it? What we are doing
    today is Bosnia. We together ended the bloodiest war in Europe since
    World War II, and we are doing it with Russia. And there are lots of
    other things we can do with Russia.
        The final point I want to make is, among the great questions--there
    are five or six great questions which will determine what the world will
    look like 30 or 40 years from now. One of those great questions is, how
    will Russia and China, the two great former Communist powers, define
    their greatness in the next century? Will they define their greatness as
    we try to do, in terms of the achievements of our people, our ability to
    protect ourselves, and our ability to relate to other people? Or will
    they define--and I think that's a more modern definition, if you will--
    or will they define their greatness in terms of their ability to
    influence, if not outright dominate, the people that live around them as
    well as to control the political debate of people who live within their
    borders to a degree that I think is not helpful?
        If that debate is resolved in the proper way, the 21st century is
    going to be a very good time for the American people. And I think when
    you hear all this stuff about NATO, you have to understand that there's
    two things going on. The Russians want to know, are we aggressive in
    NATO expansion or defensive, and looking

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    at other targets like Bosnia? Then they're having to define in
    themselves, ``Where do we want to be 25 or 30 years from now?''
        And when they say things that we find offensive, I would ask the
    American people to understand their sensitivities. We were never invaded
    by Napoleon or Hitler, and they were. So they're a little sensitive
    about the prospects of their borders. And we're trying to work together
    for a better, brighter world.
        I think that we're going to get there. I expect that the Helsinki
    meeting will be positive. But you should understand, this is a tough
    debate and that they have reasons in their own psyche and circumstances
    that make it a difficult one.
        Thank you.

    Note: The President's 137th news conference began at 2:02 p.m. in the
    East Room at the White House. In his remarks, he referred to Nancy
    Hernreich, Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of Oval Office
    Operations; Bernard Rapoport, member, Advisory Committee for Trade
    Policy and Negotiations; and Ron Fitzsimmons, executive director,
    National Coalition of Abortion Providers.