[Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: William J. Clinton (1996, Book I)]
[January 24, 1996]
[Pages 87-90]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]



Remarks in a Roundtable Discussion on Community Policing in Louisville, 
Kentucky
January 24, 1996

    The President. Let me first of all thank the chief, the mayor, and 
Governor Patton, Congressman Ward for making us feel so welcome. The 
Attorney General and her entire team who work on this are here, and we 
want to thank all of the citizens and the police officers who want to 
meet with us.
    I'd like to make just a couple of brief points. First of all, when I 
ran for President and I began to travel the country looking for ways to 
bring the crime rate down, when I realized in every community I visited 
that ordinary citizens were worried about crime and violence, the one 
thing that came up over and over in all parts of the country that seemed 
to be working was what is now known generally as community policing. And 
when we finally passed the crime bill in 1994, which had been debated in 
Congress for 6 years, we had added to that crime bill a specific title 
to give funds to communities all across our country to create 100,000 
new police officers. There was a reason for that. Between 1965 and 1995, 
more or less, the violent crime rate in America tripled, but the number 
of police officers on our street increased by only 10 percent. And 
that's why we did that.
    Now, we're about a third of the way home. Louisville's gotten 16 
police; I think Jefferson County has gotten a total of 36, something 
like that. But we're working hard to try to get more people out here. It 
is now being recognized. I know one of the major news magazines had a 
cover story with the New York City police chief the other day, talking 
about how crime was coming down in America because of community 
policing. One of the things I asked the Congress to do last night was to 
support this program until we finished it.
    I just want to make two other points if I might. This, in my 
opinion, is the way the Federal Government ought to relate to American 
citizens. We put up the money, and we say: This money is for police, and 
you have to put up some. We'll put up some, and here it is if you want 
it.
    And then we developed a--I want to compliment the Attorney General 
and the Justice Department--they developed a pretty hassle-free way of 
applying for the money; there's not a lot of bureaucracy in it. And then 
we don't tell anybody how to train the police; we don't tell them how to 
deploy; we don't tell them how to relate to the community. That's all 
things that have to be decided here at the local level. That's none of 
our business. We just know that we have to do what we can to give you 
the resources necessary to achieve the goal.
    The second point I want to make, just to emphasize what has already 
been said, it is obvious to me that there are basically three components 
to success. One is having the police out there properly deployed. And 
the second, and maybe the most important, is having some relationship 
with the community. That's why I asked the American people last night to 
respect and work with their police officers, because if you don't have 
that then this won't work.
    The third thing I want to say--I want to compliment the mayor--is 
that within this whole framework our biggest problem now is rising 
levels of violence among juveniles nationwide. And the mayor also is 
participating in another one of our programs and got some funds to 
start, I know, some sports teams and other things here to make a special 
effort with young people. And that's the last thing I want to emphasize. 
You know, we've just got so many of these children out there that are in 
trouble, having difficulties. And the police cannot do that alone. They 
need people to support them in organizing and coming up with the 
resources to give the children in areas with high rates

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of crime something positive to do. And I think that Louisville's got a 
lot to be proud of on all fronts. I'm glad to be here, and I've already 
said more than I meant to. I'd like to listen to you now.

[At this point, Mayor Jerry Abramson introduced Carolyn MacLuton, past 
president, Community Oriented Policing Board, 4th Police District, and 
Nick Altieri, president, Mayor's Block Watch Council, who discussed 
community involvement with the police in Louisville.]

    The President. Let me ask you a question. You said--and I appreciate 
you saying that, but you couldn't be doing this without the Federal 
funds. But it's also true that you couldn't be doing it if you didn't 
have the citizens involved----
    Mr. Altieri. Absolutely. Absolutely.
    The President. And that's the point I was trying to make in the 
State of the Union last night, that when you're dealing with problems 
that are these people problems that--whether it's crime or the--you 
know, trying to get jobs into places, move people off welfare, you deal 
with all of these people problems, you've got to have a partnership. 
There is no Government program to solve this. You've got to have 
grassroots citizens involved in it; otherwise, there is no way to get it 
done.
    I sort of liken it--we strike the match and you stoke the fire; you 
have to do it.
    Mayor Abramson. And every district is different, so they can tailor 
things for what is unique to the district in their neighborhood, because 
the citizens and Ms. MacLuton understands her district and Nick 
understands his, and they can tailor their situation to the specifics 
right in their neighborhood. And that's what's been so successful.
    The President. Since you've been doing this, do you think the 
general feeling of the people that live in your neighborhood about the 
police has improved?

[Ms. MacLuton indicated that there had been a great deal of improvement 
in police-community relations. Mayor Abramson introduced Officer Charles 
Waters who discussed the importance of partnership between the 
community, the residents, and city agencies. Mayor Abramson then 
introduced Peggy Dawson, a member of the COPS Board and the Mayor's 
Block Watch Council, who discussed increased community understanding of 
problems faced by police through the Citizens Police Academy.]

    The President. Is this being done anywhere else in the country that 
you know of? Chief?
    Mayor Abramson. Is it?
    Police Chief Doug Hamilton. San Francisco?
    The President. I must say, this is the first person I ever heard 
talk about that, but it makes a world of sense that it would be very 
good for citizens if one person on every block in a big city, for 
example, knew how the police department worked, what the police were up 
against, how the structure was, what the budget was. I think it would 
make a huge amount of difference. That's a wonderful idea.
    Ms. Dawson. Mr. President, I think we have a manual that we can give 
you or some of your staff, that you can take back with you.
    The President. Great. That's a wonderful idea.
    Mayor Abramson. Yes, we've got that right there. You want us to just 
bring it up and put it on the----
    The President. Go ahead.

[Mayor Abramson introduced Stephen Kelsey and Robin Cook, district 
resource officers, who discussed police outreach efforts in the 
community to build grassroots support for community policing efforts.]

    The President. But it looks to me like what is happening in the--
and, by the way, law enforcement is not the only place where we need to 
do this, as I said. But you know, to go back and organize people on a 
community basis is a very important thing in this country. I mean, if 
you think that's--really, we've gotten away from that in a lot of ways. 
And that's why so many organizations and so many Government programs 
fail, is because there's no structure underneath it that's capable of 
actually carrying the load. So I'm very impressed by this.
    General Reno, do you want to say anything, ask any questions?

[Attorney General Janet Reno stated that the Citizens Academy Manual was 
an excellent tool for community relations. The participants then 
discussed giving area youth positive activities in the community and 
economic growth as a factor in improving the community.]

    The President. If I could just make one observation about it, 
because I think it was Officer Waters that mentioned he could get 
business back into the neighborhoods when the crime

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rate goes down--if you look at the American economy now, basically there 
are two problems. I talked about one of them last night, and that is 
that most Americans have jobs but it's hard for them to get a raise in 
the global economy because there's always so much pressure to hold down 
the wages. And so that's a different question. I've tried to deal with 
that.
    The other big problem is that the national unemployment rate is 5.6 
percent, but with the exception of a few States like California still 
getting over the terrible blow they took when the defense budget went 
down, for example, and the recession of the late eighties, most other 
places have an unemployment rate that's about 4 percent or 4\1/2\ 
percent generally, and then there will be these pockets where the 
unemployment rate is 10 or 12 or 15 percent.
    Q. Thirty percent.
    The President. Or 30 percent, yes. And you can't--so that, if you 
look at it in this way, that is the number one potential market for the 
rest of the American economy, if you look at it that way. There are all 
these people living in our country that if they had jobs and they had 
any money, they would be growing our economy faster. They would be, in 
effect, if you added another one percent to the work force, that would 
give everybody else a raise, because they'd be buying everything 
everybody else produced; they would be generating a higher level of 
growth.
    And that's another thing that I think has been overlooked. One of 
the main economic strategies we could follow to grow the American 
economy from inside would be to make all these places that have high 
crime rates safe so investment that now might go, oh, south of the 
border or anywhere else could easily flow in there to put people to work 
and create opportunity. I think it's something that we've really 
underestimated, the economic aspect of this. I wanted to ask one other 
question mostly of those of you who have worked on the community boards 
and the crime watch. Would you say that this policing strategy makes 
your neighborhood safer primarily because you can catch people who 
commit crimes more quickly or because it prevents more crimes from 
occurring in the first place?

[The participants indicated that the program was most effective in 
preventing crime but that it also fostered a sense of community 
empowerment. The last speaker said that it contributed to stronger 
families and discussed education in the family, concluding that because 
his grandmother corrected his grammar, he spoke well.]

    The President. I was so afraid you were going to say ``good.'' 
[Laughter]

[Gov. Paul Patton of Kentucky stated that the program had shown strong 
results in empowering the community and thanked Mayor Abramson for the 
presentation.]

    The President. Let me just say in closing that--I want to go back to 
the last question that I asked, what our goal is, you know, and all of 
the--I want to thank the police officers around the table who 
participated, as well as the citizens--when I asked, is the primary 
benefit of this system that it helps you catch people quicker when they 
commit crime so it helps prevent crimes in the first place.
    I think in the end it will do both, but the answer of prevention is 
very important. I mean, we have to get back to a point in our country 
when the crime is the exception rather than the rule. I mean, and I 
thought it was so perceptive when you said that some police officers 
were wondering, ``Well, are they going to turn me into social workers, 
or is this right or wrong?''
    We don't want police forces to be occupying armies in our cities. We 
want them to be skilled. We want them to be able to shoot. We want them 
to be able to protect themselves. We want them to be able to protect 
other people. But we should be working toward a goal in America where 
the crimes are the exception, rather than the rule. We can't be in a 
position anymore where the fastest growing job category in the United 
States are prison guards and where the fastest growing part of the State 
budget is investing in more prisons. And I say that as a former Governor 
who has built as many prisons, I guess, as anybody on a per capita 
basis.
    And you have to put people in jail, and if they're dangerous, you've 
got to leave them there a long time. But every child that you keep from 
committing that first armed robbery, from firing that gun the first 
time, from doing that first drug deal--every child you do that to, 
you've done 10 times as much than you even do when you make an arrest.

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    And I think what you see here--to go back to what the Congressman 
said--is that the further you get away from this neighborhood toward 
Washington, DC, and the more distance there is between Washington and 
you, the harder it is to communicate. And so simple messages tend to 
come through even though they may be wrong. And you say, well, this 
person says the answer is personal responsibility, and this person says 
somebody ought to help solve it. And the truth is, the answer is both. 
The answer is both. And that's what you all have done here. I take my 
hat off to you. And I've been very moved by what I've heard today, and I 
must say I'm very encouraged. And we'll keep trying to help you, and you 
keep carrying the load, and we'll keep cheering.
    Mayor Abramson. Thank you, sir.
    The President. Thank you.

Note: The President spoke at approximately 2 p.m. at the Louisville 
District 4 Police Station.