[Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: William J. Clinton (1996, Book I)]
[May 16, 1996]
[Pages 741-749]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]



Remarks During Panel I of the White House Conference on Corporate 
Citizenship
May 16, 1996

    The President. Thank you very much, Father O'Donovan, for giving 
those assembled here in 5 minutes the essence of what I got in the 4 
years in my Georgetown education. [Laughter] When I was a student, I 
came to this magnificent old hall many times to hear other people say 
things I thought were very wise. I never imagined I would be here so 
many times myself in this position, but I am delighted to be back.
    This is a peculiarly American event we're about to have today. And 
I'm glad that the business students from Georgetown are here, the law 
students, the undergraduate students. I understand this is the day after 
finals; that shows the level of devotion to this topic--[laughter]--that 
I hope the rest of us can match.
    I also want to thank the business leaders who are here and the labor 
leaders who are here. There's a remarkable collection of people here 
from large, medium, and small companies, men and women, different racial 
and ethnic backgrounds, people who represent different kinds of unions 
and different work organizations, all committed to discussing this very 
important topic today of citizenship in the workplace.
    As the nature of work and the nature of the workplace changes 
dramatically and we move so rapidly into the 21st century, what do we 
owe each other in the workplace? What do employers owe employees? What 
do employees owe employers? What, if anything, should the Government do 
to help to deal with the new challenges that we face?
    We are here today for two reasons: First of all, because there are 
some very profound changes taking place, and if we respond to them 
properly, we get very good results. But even in the good results we see 
some paradox: our economy in the last 3\1/2\ years, a deficit that's 
less than half of what it was when I became President, low inflation, 
8\1/2\ million new jobs, a 15-year high in homeownership, all-time highs 
in exports and small business formation. But still, according to studies 
done by both the Business Roundtable and the AFL-CIO, high levels of 
uncertainty in our work force, people uncer-


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tain about their job security, whether they can get an increase in 
income even if they work harder, whether they can maintain access to 
health care and retirement for their families, and people wanting more 
genuine participation in their jobs, in their work force, in building 
their own future.
    The Government plainly has some big roles to play in reducing the 
deficit, having good trade policies, promoting our economic interest 
around the world, investing in technology and research in areas that 
it's obviously important for a public investment as well as the private 
investment. There are certain tax incentives the Government has provided 
traditionally and that I hope will provide again--the incentives for 
research and experimentation, the incentives for companies to help to 
finance the education of their own employees, indeed, I would like to 
see expanded to give a little extra help to small businesses in that 
regard.
    There are certain regulatory changes the Government ought to make. 
The Vice President's worked very hard to work with our agencies in 
getting rid of 16,000 of the 80,000 pages of Federal regulations and 
changing the way we work with the private sector to make the workplace 
safe and the environment clean. There are some things we have to do to 
help people become more employable even if they don't have specific job 
security, in terms of improving access to educational benefits and 
creating greater portability for health care and retirement.
    And we know that Government should do these things, but we also know 
that most of the action has to be in the private sector. Just as I 
always say when discussing education, the great magic of education will 
never be in Washington or any State capital. It's what goes on in the 
classroom between the teacher and the child. The great magic of the 
American system of free enterprise is what goes on in the private 
sector. Indeed, one of the things that I like best about the job figures 
of the last 3\1/2\ years is that the percentage of new jobs being 
provided by Government is the smallest it's been in 20 years or more. 
And the Federal Government is almost a quarter of a million people 
smaller than it was when I became President, and overall, we are relying 
more and more on private sector job growth. And that, I think, is a good 
sign. But what that means is that the mutual responsibility that 
employers and employees feel toward one another and toward the larger 
society is becoming even more important.
    I would just like to mention a couple of things that I do not think 
we will discuss today, because I think they are illustrative of the way 
that we can deal with these issues. I have been very, very impressed 
with the work that the private sector has done with our administration 
and especially with the Vice President in trying to find new and 
economically efficient ways to protect the environment: the auto 
companies working with us to develop a new generation of cars that can 
get triple the car mileage that we take for granted as the ceiling 
today; all the companies that have worked with us to--in the Project XL 
where we say you agree to meet certain high environmental standards, 
take the thick EPA rulebook and throw it away. And we've got a long line 
of people that want to get into that particular project.
    But it's working. This is exciting. The companies that have worked 
with the Occupational Safety and Health Administration say, if we 
involve our workers and ourselves in a joint effort to make the 
workplace safer, we ought to get to decide how to do it if we can do it 
more efficiently and get better results. These are achieving good social 
ends as well as good ends within the workplace.
    I want to say a special word of thanks to the entertainment 
companies that worked with us and that are now hard at work in 
developing their own rating systems for television programs, for 
violence and other contents that may be inappropriate for children--no 
Government involvement at all except our agreement to work with them in 
the passage of the law that requires the V-chip to go in to the 
television.
    These are very encouraging things. We got some indication yesterday 
that we may even wind up with an agreement with the private sector in 
this effort that we've been so intensely involved in to try to curb the 
teenage smoking, when Philip Morris and the U.S. Tobacco Company 
indicated that they would agree to legislation to limit sales of tobacco 
to children and to reduce advertising of tobacco that affects the 
Nation's children. And I want to thank them for that.
    I have to say, in all candor, I believe we should do more because, 
under the proposal, kids in this country would still be confronted with 
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boards and stores and all the magazines. And we know 3,000 children 
start smoking every day and 1,000 of them are going to die early because 
of it. So I don't think it's enough. But I do believe that it's an 
indication that there may be some way that we can agree on legislation 
to do this. If all of the tobacco companies will voluntarily accept 
legislation containing the limits that will be as effective as what 
we're proposed--I will say again, we believe it's better to have the 
companies come forward and ask for legislation. And the FDA has made 
perfectly clear that they will stop their efforts to impose regulation 
if we can have a joint agreement on a legislative solution.
    These are the kinds of things that I want to do more of in dealing 
with the larger problems of society.
    But to come back to the main point, the workplace itself has to 
produce a profit, has to produce a vibrant free enterprise system for 
America, and what the relationships are in this new economy between 
employers and employees will have a great deal to do with that. The 
business leaders who came from all over this country today to be a part 
of this received a letter from me in which I suggested that there were 
at least five elements of corporate citizenship that we ought to 
consider as we move through this period of dynamic change.
    First of all, since almost all families have all the adults--whether 
there are two or one in the family--working, workplaces should be more 
family-friendly. We shouldn't ask our working people in America to 
choose between being productive workers and being good parents.
    Secondly, health and retirement security are profoundly important. 
And the nature of benefits, health and retirement benefits tied to the 
job, has been changing rather dramatically in the last several years. 
How are we going to continue to ensure health and retirement security?
    Thirdly, safe and secure workplaces.
    Fourthly, employees that know that they are invested in. How can we 
continue to develop the capacity of the employees of this country? One 
business executive, unrelated to this meeting, wrote me a letter saying 
that he had gone out of his way to invest more in the education and 
training of his employees once he realized they were less likely to be 
with him for a lifetime. He said, ``I felt that I owed even more than I 
ever had before to them to make them employable if for some reason they 
had to leave our company.''
    And finally, the issue of partnership in the work force. One of our 
participants said today, in a very moving statement, that he had talked 
to a man who worked in a factory--one of his company's factories--who 
had been elected head of his local PTA and was prominent in the society 
in every other way. But he said it was only recently that his company 
had decided to let him participate from the neck up. For years and years 
and years, at work, he'd only participated from the neck down. Everybody 
else in his community wanted him from the neck up, just his company 
didn't. That was a profound statement, I thought. And more and more of 
our companies are looking for ways to let people participate from the 
neck up. When people feel that they're on the same team, it's a lot 
easier to take the bad news along with the good.
    So these are the things that I hope will be discussed today. The 
companies that we will hear from up here are being showcased for one 
reason: They have done all of these things in ways that I believe prove 
that you can do the right thing and make money, that you can be 
successful in the American free enterprise system by having better and 
stronger relationships and ties with your employees. Every company 
represented out here in this audience today has another story like that 
to tell.
    I hope that--I'm going to do my best just to stay out of the way and 
let them talk and then let all of you talk, hoping that some good ideas 
will come out of this because I believe the power of example to change 
the behavior of Americans is enormous. We have seen it in case after 
case after case. And I think that the coverage of these issues, on the 
whole, has been concentrated in negative examples when something bad 
happens to people, which then may be translated as a general rule. What 
I want to see us do is to elevate the good practices that are going on, 
show how they are consistent with making money and succeeding in the 
free enterprise system, and hope that we can reinforce that kind of 
conduct that so many of you have brought to bear in your own companies 
and with your own employees.
    Let me say that I know that this is not an issue that can be solved 
in a day or a year, and that this is not a question of finding an 
answer. What we have to do is to join together

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in a great journey as Americans, to continue to deal with these issues 
as we go through this dynamic economy. And I have given a lot of thought 
to what we could do to sort of signal that we're going to do this over 
the long run.
    And today I have an announcement to make that I think reflects the 
spirit of what we are doing and will help us to continue to do it year-
in and year-out forever. I asked a number of business leaders, led by 
John Bryan, the CEO of Sara Lee, and Larry Bossidy, CEO of Allied 
Signal, to come together to develop an award, totally financed and 
operated out of the private sector, not a Government award, to honor 
every year outstanding corporate citizenship. It would operate something 
like the Malcolm Baldrige Award does, that recognizes businesses for the 
quality of their products or services. This award will celebrate 
business for the quality of their relationship to their workers and 
their communities.
    The award, as I said, will be created and managed entirely by the 
private sector, and its criteria will be based upon the five principles 
of corporate citizenship I mentioned earlier. These leaders will seek 
the advice of members of the business community, workers and their 
representatives, and others, including educators. It will be presented 
every year by the President of the United States, and it will be called 
the Ron Brown Corporate Citizenship Award.
    We are honored to be joined here by Alma Brown. Thank you for coming 
today. Bless you, my friend. Stand up. [Applause] If there ever was a 
person who thought you could do well and do good at the same time, it 
was Ron Brown. And I can't think of a better way for us to honor him by 
continuing this work.
    Let me end by saying now, we're going to spend the rest of this day 
listening to you, trying to come to grips with these issues. We know 
that a lot of them are very difficult, that the facts will be different 
from industry to industry, sector to sector, company to company. But we 
also know that this country cannot become what it ought to be, we cannot 
make this transition into the 21st century unless we create opportunity, 
unless we all go forward with a sense of personal responsibility, as 
Father O'Donovan said, and unless the end result is the community of 
America is stronger.
    We have always believed that free markets and free enterprise made 
our whole country stronger, and we have always believed as Americans 
that we can find a way to correct the problems of the system so that it 
could thrive. That really is the whole story of the United States in the 
20th century, and I suppose the conversation we're having today will 
help to tell the story of the United States in the 21st century. We need 
to give the right answers, and I think we will.
    Thank you very much.
    Our first panel will deal with the questions of family-friendly 
workplaces, safe and healthy workplaces, and health and retirement 
security. We'll start with the question of families, and I'd like to 
begin by calling on Kenneth Lehman, the co-CEO of Fel-Pro, Incorporated, 
a third generation, family-owned automotive supply manufacturer in 
Skokie, Illinois. I'd like to ask him to tell the Fel-Pro story and why 
such a small company provides such extensive family benefits to its 
workers and whether this undermines or contributes to its success in the 
marketplace.
    Mr. Lehman.

[Mr. Lehman stated his company's philosophy that a work force which was 
treated fairly and decently would be loyal, diligent, quality- and cost-
conscious, and customer driven. He gave examples of Fel-Pro's family-
responsive programs and cited a university study linking such programs 
to increased employee productivity and company profitability.]

    The President. Thank you very much.
    I would like to illustrate--this is all something all of you know, 
but I think it's worth just putting the facts out there. These family-
oriented policies are much more important today than ever before because 
60 percent of the mothers in this country with children under 6 are in 
the work force--60 percent; 76 percent of all the mothers with school-
age children are in the work force; and 12 million families in America 
are exclusively maintained by working mothers. So these numbers 
require--give a little greater resonance, perhaps, and meaning to the 
presentation that's just been made.
    I'd like to now call on Fran Rogers to talk a little bit about her 
company and what she's done with Work/Family Directions.

[Ms. Rogers, chief executive officer, Work/Family Directions, Inc., 
cited her personal experience as a working mother who was not considered 
a serious employee due to accommodations she

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made for her asthmatic child. She described her efforts to manage her 
own small company and support her employees, and praised the benefits of 
flexible management policies for larger businesses as well.]

    The President. Thank you.
    I'd like to make two brief points. First of all, I think the odd 
concept of all these things as tools that other people use to make the 
most of their own lives and their family lives is a very helpful way of 
looking at this, because most people just want you to make it possible 
for them to make the most of their own lives.
    I also should point out that, since Fran didn't explicitly say this 
for fear that at this meeting she'd look like she was hawking business, 
this company, Work/Family Directions, is based in Boston, they employ 
about 250 people, and they provide work and family referral services to 
larger companies, including child and elder care referrals, adoption 
referrals, and a number of other services. So she's seen this from the 
perspective, as she said, of both smaller companies and larger 
companies.
    We should say the size of each of these companies, because I think 
that's important. Fel-Pro has about 1,700 employees, I think. Is that 
right?
    Mr. Lehman. With 2,000 in the Chicago area and 800 in other places.
    The President. Yes, but in the Chicago area, it's about 2,000.
    Mr. Lehman. Yes, we have about 2,000.
    The President. Now, our next panelist is famous to all of us who 
have children who love the environment and some of us who like to get 
out and around ourselves. Yvon Chouinard is the founder of Patagonia. 
And among other things, Patagonia devotes one percent of its sales to 
environmental projects and initiatives, something which, when Chelsea 
and I go Christmas shopping every year, she always reminds me when we 
decide what to do. [Laughter] So I'd like to ask Mr. Chouinard to tell 
the story about his work-family benefits program and how it's worked 
into Patagonia's history.
    Mr. Chouinard. Thank you, Mr. President. I'd feel a lot more 
comfortable on top of a mountain than here right now. [Laughter]
    The President. Pretend that's where you are. [Laughter]

[Mr. Chouinard stated that quality products and quality customer service 
were linked to a quality workplace, quality of life for employees, and 
quality of life on the planet. He described the benefits offered by his 
company and cited its resulting low employee turnover rate of 4.5 
percent.]

    The President. Thank you. Let me ask you, how many employees do you 
have?
    Mr. Chouinard. We have 750 worldwide.
    The President. And that includes the people that actually work in 
all the stores where Patagonia is sold?
    Mr. Chouinard. That's right.
    The President. One of the things that strikes me about--I don't know 
how many of you have ever been in one of their stores, but every time I 
go into one I feel like I'm in an evangelical mission because all the 
young people there--you can't get out of the store; it doesn't matter if 
you don't even buy anything--you get the line, you know, that the 
company is really sort of environmentally responsible and you should be 
too. And they always give you something. Do you do any work on that? I 
mean, do you actually work on getting these kids to learn how to speak 
that way or do they do it just because you set a good example? 
[Laughter]
    Mr. Chouinard. Well, I think this type of thing can't be done from a 
desk somewhere in the part of the company that's called the 
environmental desk. It has to be driven all the way down to every single 
employee. It's part of everybody's job. So they were doing their job.
    The President. Very impressive. Let me also say one other thing 
that--some of you, if you saw the State of the Union Address, you know 
that I mentioned what is now the very famous story of Malden Mills, the 
Massachusetts-based company that had a tragic fire and afterward the 
gentleman who owned the company told the workers he was going to keep 
supporting them until they got up and going again. His name is Aaron 
Feuerstein, and he's here today, too, right out there. Stand up, sir.
    The reason I brought it up now is that Patagonia had a 15-year 
relationship with them, and when he made that announcement, Patagonia 
announced that they would not have any layoffs as a result of the loss 
of the customer and that they would continue to support each other until 
Malden Mills got up and going again. And I think that is also a very 
credible thing.

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    I'd like to ask the Vice President now, before we go on to the next 
topic, to talk about some of the things that are being done in the 
Federal Government to provide our public workers with access to family-
friendly benefits. I must say that this is an area in which the 
Government has lagged behind at least the most forward-leaning private 
sector companies. And we've tried to do some things in this regard. I'd 
like for the Vice President to talk about it.

[The Vice President discussed the National Performance Review's emphasis 
on flexible management approaches in the Federal Government and gave 
examples of the impact of family-friendly initiatives both on military 
personnel and public housing residents.]

    The President. Thank you very much, Mr. Vice President. Let me just 
make one comment here. I'll just invite your best ideas. The military 
now has about--I think about 60 percent of our personnel are married, 
and as we have downsized in the aftermath of the cold war we've had to 
think a lot more about what we need to do to support families. And a lot 
of times, you read something and you think, boy, this sounds great. For 
example, if we reduce the number of planned aircraft carrier battle 
groups--great, no cold war problem, we're going to save a lot of money.
    One bottom-line consequence is that we have to extend the average 
tour of duty of Navy personnel from 6 months to 9 months. That's a 50 
percent increase in the time those Navy people will be away from their 
children, and we have to figure out how to deal with that. The Bosnia 
deployment--the Vice President said it's a year--we try to make sure we 
could get everybody at least one break and sometimes two if they have 
family situations and need it; that's still a long time to be away from 
home. And this is in, you know, a time of peace, when it's hard to 
create this sense of national emergency for your children. They wonder, 
where is Daddy, and in some cases, where is Mom?
    So this is a big challenge for us, and if any of you have any other 
constructive ideas about other things we can do, I'd personally be glad 
to have them because we're always looking for new ways to try to support 
an institution that really tries to live by family values but has been 
strained just by their duty to the rest of us as they exercise it.
    I'd like to move on now to the second topic, which is maintaining a 
safe and healthy workplace, and start with Ralph Larsen, the chairman 
and CEO of Johnson & Johnson, the largest company so far represented 
here. They have something over 28,000 employees, anyway--maybe more, 
including two great plants in my home State. I should say that Johnson & 
Johnson has been repeatedly recognized for its innovative, family-
friendly practices. But we want to ask today Mr. Larsen to discuss the 
safety program and the efforts that they've promoted in employee 
wellness and what a safe and healthy workplace has done in terms of the 
costs to the company and in terms of the benefits.
    Mr. Larsen.

[Mr. Larsen described the safety and health program for Johnson & 
Johnson employees which had improved their safety performance by 80 
percent since 1981.]

    The President. Thank you. Now I'd like to introduce Roger Ackerman, 
the chairman and CEO of Corning, and Larry Benkowski, who is the 
president of the American Flint Glass Workers Union, which represents 
the workers at Corning, to talk about their common experience. In 
October of 1995, Corning was awarded the Malcolm Baldrige National 
Quality Award. It's been recognized in many, many other ways. The 
company has, I believe, over 42,000 employees and has a unique 
perspective on safety and health and a very strong partnership with its 
workers. And so I'd like to call on Mr. Ackerman and Mr. Benkowski to 
discuss their experience.

[Mr. Ackerman described the safety program adopted by Corning which was 
instrumental in decreasing the company's accident rate by 50 percent. 
Mr. Benkowski described the goal-sharing plan and a program to evaluate 
medical facilities used by Corning to prevent safety and health problems 
and to ensure high quality health care for their employees.]

    The President. Thank you very much.
    Mr. Ackerman. You know, I didn't pay him to say any of that, by the 
way. [Laughter]
    The President. You wrote each other's speeches. [Laughter]
    Let me thank you and thank Ralph and Johnson & Johnson for your 
example and your words today. We have given a lot of thought to what we 
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than in a kind of a negative way, through the Occupational Safety and 
Health Administration, to make it possible for there to be more stories 
like the two you just heard.
    And I'd like to ask the Vice President to take just a brief minute 
and explain what we tried to do with our experiment and with OSHA and 
what the results have been.

[The Vice President stated that companies taking the kind of approach 
described by Mr. Ackerman and Mr. Larson should not be adversely 
affected by the safety and health system designed by the Government for 
companies that were not providing such programs. He then gave an example 
of the new approach that the President asked OSHA to adopt.]

    The President. Thank you very much. I'd like to go on now to the 
final topic of the first panel, and that's health and retirement 
security. And just to note what is obvious, that is, that over the last 
10 years there has been a steady decline in the percentage of people in 
the work force who have been covered with employer-based health 
insurance; that the decline has been most pronounced among employees 
with the lowest levels of education and skills, probably in companies 
with the smallest profit margins; that there has been a similar change 
in retirement, although very often it was a change in the form of 
retirement from defined benefit to defined contribution plans, but there 
have been other changes and also some loss of coverage.
    In 1995, it was the first year in more than a decade that the 
percentage of people in the work force with health insurance tied to the 
job did not decline, and that could be in part a result of the fact that 
the inflation rate in 1995 in health care insurance plans was below the 
general rate of inflation for the first time in a decade.
    But at any rate, this is something that is an issue and a greater 
issue if you believe that people will change jobs more frequently over 
the course of the work life than they have in the past. So I wanted to 
call on, first, Howard Schultz, the chairman and CEO of Starbucks 
Coffee, a remarkable Seattle-based company that, doubtless, many, 
perhaps most of you, have frequented in some city or another in this 
country, and I think they have--they're growing so fast, I don't know 
how many employees they have, but I know they have 9,000, maybe there 
are more. How many do you have now?
    Mr. Schultz. Fifteen thousand.
    The President. Fifteen thousand? This was put together last week. 
They're growing pretty fast. [Laughter] At any rate, Starbucks has been 
recognized for its rather extensive benefit program for the work force, 
including the scope of its health care plan. So I'd like for Mr. Schultz 
to talk about that.

[Mr. Schultz stated that Starbucks was the first privately owned company 
to provide a comprehensive medical-dental, 401(k), and vision plan to 
all of its employees, including part-time employees, and to offer equity 
to all employees. He attributed the company's low attrition rate to the 
health care plan.]

    The President. I'd like to now call on David Guiliani, who is the 
chairman and CEO of Optiva Corporation, actually a fascinating company 
that was started less than a decade ago with a team of University of 
Washington scientists who developed a new electronic toothbrush that 
uses high frequency vibrations to remove plaque, something I care more 
and more about as I get older. [Laughter]
    Mr. Guiliani.

[Mr. Guiliani stated that productivity could be gained by choosing, 
motivating, and rewarding the best employees. He described the health 
care, retirement, English language education, and free computer loan 
programs that Optiva provided to its employees.]

    The President. You were pretty modest, but tell us how fast you are 
growing.
    Mr. Guiliani. We have been tripling each year, and we're now the 
number two brand in America in powered brushes, and we're a major 
exporter into Europe and Japan, where our product is marvelously 
popular.
    The President. And how many employees do you have?
    Mr. Guiliani. Three hundred.
    The President. We don't need to discuss this here, but one of the 
things that I would like to know from you--I sent a package of proposed 
pension reforms to Capitol Hill, basically designed to make it easier 
for even smaller companies than yours to access the 401(k) program. If 
you or any of the others out here, particularly from smaller businesses, 
have any suggestions about what else we can do to make this a more

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user-friendly option for companies, I would very much like to have it, 
because I think it's important. And there are things you can do that we 
have asked for Congress to support, and I believe that it has almost 
unanimous support, it's just a matter of time working it through. And 
one of the top three priorities of the White House Conference on Small 
Business--that will make these things much more user-friendly for self-
employed people, small businesses, and then also help people when they 
move from business to business to maintain the fund, even if they're 
unemployed for a period of time. So if you or any of the others here 
have any suggestions about what further improvements we can make in 
that, I would certainly like to have it.
    Mr. Guiliani. I'm sure the SBA could do very well with some 
conferences and seminars with small businesses participating, because 
everybody sees the value of starting 401(k)'s early in the worker's life 
as well as the company's life.
    The President. That's the next question I--you answered the next 
question. Do you believe--then I just want to make it explicit--do you 
think that the program is a little more accessible than some people 
know, and that more people would use it if they knew more about it? Do 
you agree with that?
    Participant. Absolutely.
    Participant. We had no particular issues in setting it up quite 
early, I think when we were about 100 people, probably.
    Participant. Most of it is teaching people how to use it, 
understanding it.
    Participant. Yes, it's the education process, I think.
    Participant. Part of it is the name. Anything that has a 401(k) 
sounds like it's bad. [Laughter]
    Participant. It's very bureaucratic.
    The President. I wonder, before we take a brief break--we're going 
to take about a--I'm going to shorten the break, because we started a 
little late--about a 20-minute break. Before we take a break, before we 
start the next panel, I wonder if anyone else in the audience would like 
to make a comment about any of the three topics that were discussed 
here. And if you would, would you please just identify yourself and say 
whatever is on your mind.
    Participant. [Inaudible]
    The President. Let me ask before you sit down, why don't we just--
we'll take about 10 minutes here. There are at least two other companies 
whose representatives I see out here who have no-layoff policies. If you 
can say in a minute or two, I'd like for anybody who's here who can say 
in a minute or two, if you have a no-layoff policy, how you've been able 
to maintain it, besides making a bunch of money.
    And there is at least another company here that has had wide 
variations in their orders and has come up with some innovations in 
managing that problem to reduce layoffs. If you could just describe in a 
minute or two how you manage this problem, I'd--we'll just start with 
you, sir, and then we'll go with anyone else who wants to talk for a 
minute.
    Participant. [Inaudible]
    The President. Who would like to go next? Yes, sir. Go ahead.
    Participant. [Inaudible]
    The President. So as things go down, they share the work that's 
available with the same number of workers?
    Participant. That's right. And nobody gets laid off. Could I just 
add one thing about 401(k)'s? They're great, but couldn't we raise the 
limit a little bit? People could invest a little more.
    The President. Thank you. You want to raise the limit. That's what 
you said? Okay. I'm told we're going to address some of this in the next 
panel, but I'll call on another person or two and then we'll break.
    Mr. Correnti.
    And answer this question right: You can only talk about--you've got 
to talk about what you do in the down times as well as the up times, 
everybody. It's not fair to only talk about finding more business.
    Go ahead.

[John Correnti, chief executive officer, Nucor Corp., stated that the 
philosophy of his company in tough financial times was that employees 
and managers would share in the pain of pay cuts or shortened work weeks 
together. He noted that the resulting employee trust and loyalty made 
turnover so minimal that workers practically had to be willed a job in 
one of the plants.]

    The President. I can personally vouch for the truth of that last 
assertion. [Laughter]
    I think what we should do now is take a little break. I think the 
panelists were terrific, and I think that this is a very good panel. I 
can't wait for the next one. So I'm going to start--it's now 1:15 p.m.--
I'm going to start at

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1:35 p.m., in 20 minutes. We're adjourned briefly.
    Give them all a hand. [Applause]

Note: The President spoke at approximately 11:30 a.m. in Gaston Hall at 
Georgetown University. In his remarks, he referred to Rev. Leo J. 
O'Donovan, president, Georgetown University, and Alma Brown, widow of 
former Commerce Secretary Ronald H. Brown.