    [Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: William J. Clinton (1995, Book I)]
    [April 11, 1995]
    [Pages 516-521]
    [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]

    The President's News Conference With Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto of
    Pakistan
    April 11, 1995

        The President. Please be seated. Good afternoon. It's a great
    pleasure for me to welcome Prime Minister Bhutto to the White House. I'm
    especially pleased to host her today because of the tremendous
    hospitality that the Prime Minister and the Pakistani people showed to
    the First Lady and to Chelsea on their recent trip.
        I've heard a great deal about the visit, about the people they met,
    their warm welcome at the Prime Minister's home, about the dinner the
    Prime Minister gave in their honor. The food was marvelous, they said,
    but it was the thousands of tiny oil lamps that lit the paths outside
    the Red Fort in Lahore that really gave the evening its magical air. I
    regret that here at the White House I can only match that with the magic
    of the bright television lights. [Laughter]
        Today's meeting reaffirms the longstanding friendship between
    Pakistan and the United States. It goes back to Pakistan's independence.
    At the time, Pakistan was an experiment in blending the ideals of a
    young democracy with the traditions of Islam. In the words of Pakistan's
    first President, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, ``Islam and its idealism have
    taught us democracy. It has taught us the equality of man, justice, the
    fair play to everybody. We are the inheritors of the glorious traditions
    and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations.'' Today,
    Pakistan is pursuing these goals of combining the practice of Islam with
    the realities of democratic ideals, moderation, and tolerance.
        At our meetings today, the Prime Minister and I focused on security
    issues that affect Pakistan, its neighbor India, and the entire South
    Asian region. The United States recognizes and respects Pakistan's
    security concerns. Our close relationships with Pakistan are matched
    with growing ties with India. Both countries are friends of the United
    States, and contrary to some views, I believe it is possible for the
    United States to maintain close relations with both countries.
        I told the Prime Minister that if asked, we will do what we can to
    help these two important nations work together to resolve the dispute in
    Kashmir and other issues that separate them. We will also continue to
    urge both Pakistan and India to cap and reduce and finally eliminate
    their nuclear and missile capabilities. As Secretary Perry stressed
    during his visit to Pakistan earlier this year, we believe that such
    weapons are a source of instability rather than a means to greater
    security. I plan to work with Congress to find ways to prevent the
    spread of nuclear weapons and to preserve the aims of the Pressler
    amendment, while building a stronger relationship with a secure, more
    prosperous Pakistan. Our two nations' defense consultative group will
    meet later this spring.
        In our talks the Prime Minister and I also discussed issues of
    global concern, including peacekeeping and the fight against terrorism
    and narcotics trafficking. I want to thank Prime Minister Bhutto and the
    Pakistani officers and soldiers who have worked so closely with us in

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    many peacekeeping operations around the globe, most recently in Haiti,
    where more than 800 Pakistanis are taking part in the United Nations
    operation.
        On the issue of terrorism, I thank the Prime Minister for working
    with us to capture Ramzi Yusuf, one of the key suspects in the bombing
    in the World Trade Center. We also reviewed our joint efforts to bring
    to justice the cowardly terrorist who murdered two fine Americans in
    Karachi last month. I thanked the Prime Minister for Pakistan's effort
    in recent months to eradicate opium poppy cultivation, to destroy heroin
    laboratories, and just last week, to extradite two major traffickers to
    the United States. We would like this trend to continue.
        Finally, the Prime Minister and I discussed the ambitious economic
    reform and privatization programs she has said will determine the well-
    being of the citizens of Pakistan and other Moslem nations. Last year,
    at my request, our Energy Secretary, Hazel O'Leary, led a mission to
    Pakistan which opened doors for many U.S. firms who want to do business
    there. Encouraged by economic growth that is generating real dividends
    for the Pakistani people, the United States and other foreign firms are
    beginning to commit significant investments, especially in the energy
    sector. I'm convinced that in the coming years, the economic ties
    between our peoples will grow closer, creating opportunities, jobs and
    profits for Pakistanis and Americans alike.
        Before our meetings today, I was reminded that the Prime Minister
    first visited the White House in 1989 during her first term. She left
    office in 1990, but then was returned as Prime Minister in free and fair
    elections in 1993. Her presence here today testifies to her strong
    abilities and to Pakistan's resilient democracy. It's no wonder she was
    elected to lead a nation that aims to combine the best of the traditions
    of Islam with modern democratic ideals. America is proud to claim
    Pakistan among her closest friends.
        Madam Prime Minister.
        Prime Minister Bhutto. Mr. President, ladies and gentlemen: I'd like
    to begin by thanking the President for his kind words of support and
    encouragement.
        Since 1989, my last visit to Washington, both the world and Pak-U.S.
    relations have undergone far-reaching changes. The post-cold-war era has
    brought into sharp focus the positive role that Pakistan, as a moderate,
    democratic, Islamic country of 130 million people, can play, and the
    fact that it is strategically located at the tri-junction of South Asia,
    Central Asia, and the Gulf, a region of both political volatility and
    economic opportunity.
        Globally, Pakistan is active in U.N. peacekeeping operations. We are
    on the forefront of the fight against international terrorism,
    narcotics, illegal immigration, and counterfeit currency. We remain
    committed to the control and elimination of weapons of mass destruction
    as well as the delivery systems on a regional, equitable, and
    nondiscriminatory basis.
        Since 1993, concerted efforts by Pakistan and the United States to
    broaden the base of bilateral relations have resulted in steady
    progress. In September 1994, in a symbolic gesture, the United States
    granted Pakistan about $10 million in support for population planning.
    This was announced by the Vice President at the Cairo summit on
    population planning. This was followed by the Presidential mission led
    by Energy Secretary Hazel O'Leary, which resulted in agreement worth
    $4.6 billion being signed. And now, during my visit here, we are
    grateful to the administration and the Cabinet Secretaries for having
    helped us sign $6 billion more of agreements between Pakistan and the
    United States.
        During the Defense Secretary's visit to Pakistan in January 1995,
    our countries decided to revive the Pakistan-United States Defense
    Consultative Group. And more recently, we had the First Lady and the
    First Daughter visit Pakistan, and we had an opportunity to discuss
    women's issues and children's issues with the First Lady. And we found
    the First Daughter very knowledgeable. We found Chelsea very
    knowledgeable on Islamic issues. I'm delighted to learn from the
    President that Chelsea is studying Islamic history and has also actually
    read our holy book, the Koran Shariah.
        I'm delighted to have accepted President Clinton's invitation to
    Washington. This is the first visit by a Pakistani Chief Executive in 6
    years. President Clinton and I covered a wide range of subjects,
    including Kashmir, Afghanistan, Central Asia, Gulf, Pakistan-India
    relations, nuclear proliferation, U.N. peacekeeping, terrorism, and
    narcotics.
        I briefed him about corporate America's interest in Pakistan, which
    has resulted in the signing of $12 billion worth of MOU's in the last 17
    months since our government took office. I

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    urged an early resolution of the core issue of Kashmir, which poses a
    great threat to peace and security in our region. It has retarded
    progress on all issues, including nuclear and missile proliferation. A
    just and durable solution is the need of the hour, based on the wishes
    of the Kashmiri people, as envisaged in the Security Council
    resolutions. Pakistan remains committed to engage in a substantive
    dialog with India to resolve this dispute but not in a charade that can
    be used by our neighbor to mislead the international community. I am
    happy to note that the United States recognizes Kashmir as disputed
    territory and maintains that a durable solution can only be based on the
    will of the Kashmiri people.
        Pakistan asked for a reassessment of the Pressler amendment, which
    places discriminatory sanctions on Pakistan. In our view, this amendment
    has been a disincentive for a regional solution to the proliferation
    issue. Pakistan has requested the President and the administration to
    resolve the problem of our equipment, worth $1.4 billion, which is held
    up. I am encouraged by my discussions with the President this morning
    and the understanding that he has shown for Pakistan's position. I
    welcome the Clinton administration's decision to work with Congress to
    revise the Pressler amendment.
        Thank you, Mr. President,
        The President. Thank you.
        Terry [Terence Hunt, Associated Press].

    Pressler Amendment

        Q. Mr. President, you both mentioned the Pressler amendment, but I'm
    not sure what you intend to do. Will you press Congress to allow
    Pakistan to receive the planes that it paid for or to get its money
    back?
        The President. Let me tell you what I intend to do. First of all, I
    intend to ask Congress to show some flexibility in the Pressler
    amendment so that we can have some economic and military cooperation.
    Secondly, I intend to consult with them about what we ought to do about
    the airplane sale.
        As you know, under the law as it now exists, we cannot release the
    equipment. It wasn't just airplanes; it was more than that. We cannot
    release the equipment. However, Pakistan made payment. The sellers of
    the equipment gave up title and received the money, and now it's in
    storage. I don't think what happened was fair to Pakistan in terms of
    the money. Now under the law, we can't give up the equipment. The law is
    clear. So I intend to consult with the Congress on that and see what we
    can do.
        I think you know that our administration cares very deeply about
    nonproliferation. We have worked very hard on it. We have lobbied the
    entire world community for an indefinite extension of the NPT. We have
    worked very hard to reduce the nuclear arsenals of ourselves and Russia
    and the other countries of the former Soviet Union. We are working for a
    comprehensive test ban treaty. We are working to limit fissile material
    production. We are working across the whole range of issues on
    nonproliferation. But I believe that the way this thing was left in 1990
    and the way I found it when I took office requires some modification,
    and I'm going to work with the Congress to see what progress we can
    make.

    Kashmir

        Q. Mr. President, what was your response to Pakistan's suggestion
    that the United States would play an active role in the solution of the
    Kashmir issue?
        The President. The United States is willing to do that, but can, as
    a practical matter, only do that if both sides are willing to have us
    play a leading role. A mediator can only mediate if those who are being
    mediated want it. We are more than willing to do what we can to try to
    be helpful here.
        And of course, the Indians now are talking about elections. It will
    be interesting to see who is eligible to vote, what the conditions of
    the elections are, whether it really is a free referendum of the
    people's will there. And we have encouraged a resolution of this. When
    Prime Minister Rao was here, I talked about this extensively with him.
    We are willing to do our part, but we can only do that if both sides are
    willing to have us play a part.
        Helen [Helen Thomas, United Press International].

    Nuclear Nonproliferation

        Q. Madam Prime Minister, why do you need nuclear weapons? And Mr.
    President, don't you weaken your case to denuclearize the world when you
    keep making exceptions?
        Prime Minister Bhutto. We don't have nuclear weapons. I'd like to
    clarify that, that we have no nuclear weapons. And this is our decision
    to demonstrate our commitment to----

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        Q. But you are developing them?
        Prime Minister Bhutto. No. We have enough knowledge and capability
    to make and assemble a nuclear weapon, but we have voluntarily chosen
    not to either assemble a nuclear weapon, to detonate a nuclear weapon,
    or to export technology. When a country doesn't have the knowledge and
    says it believes in nonproliferation, I take that with a pinch of salt.
    But when a country has that knowledge--and the United States and other
    countries of the world agree that Pakistan has that knowledge--and that
    country does not use that knowledge to actually put together or assemble
    a device, I think that that country should be recognized as a
    responsible international player which has demonstrated restraint and
    not taken any action to accelerate our common goals of nonproliferation.
        The President. On your question about making an exception, I don't
    favor making an exception in our policy for anyone. But I think it's
    important to point out that the impact of the Pressler amendment is
    directed only against Pakistan. And instead, we believe that in the end
    we're going to have to work for a nuclear-free subcontinent, a nuclear-
    free region, a region free of all proliferation of weapons of mass
    destruction. And the import of the amendment basically was rooted in the
    fact that Pakistan would have to bring into its country, would have to
    import the means to engage in an arms race, whereas India could develop
    such matters within its own borders.
        The real question is, what is the best way to pursue
    nonproliferation? This administration has an aggressive, consistent,
    unbroken record of leading the world in the area of nonproliferation. We
    will not shirk from that. But we ought to do it in a way that is most
    likely to achieve the desired results. And at any rate, that is somewhat
    different from the question of the catch-22 that Pakistan has found
    itself in now for 5 years, where it paid for certain military equipment
    we could not, under the law, give it after the previous administration
    made a determination that the Pressler amendment covered the
    transaction, but the money was received, given to the sellers, and has
    long since been spent.
        Q. But will you get a commitment from them to sign the Non-
    Proliferation Treaty?
        The President. I will say again, I am convinced we're going to have
    to have a regional solution there, and we are working for that. But we
    are not making exceptions.
        Let me also make another point or two. We are not dealing with a
    country that has manifested aggression toward the United States in this
    area. We're dealing with a country that just extradited a terrorist or a
    suspected terrorist in the World Trade Center bombing; a country that
    has taken dramatic moves in improving its efforts against terrorism,
    against narcotics, that has just deported two traffickers--or extradited
    two traffickers to the United States; a country that has cooperated with
    us in peacekeeping in Somalia, in Haiti, and other places.
        We are trying to find ways to fulfill our obligations, our legal
    obligations under the Pressler amendment, and our obligation to
    ourselves and to the world to promote nonproliferation and improve our
    relationships across the whole broad range of areas where I think it is
    appropriate.
        Prime Minister Bhutto. May I just add that as far as we in Pakistan
    are concerned, we have welcomed all proposals made by the United States
    in connection with the regional solution to nonproliferation, and we
    have given our own proposals for a South Asia free of nuclear weapons
    and for a zero missile regime. So we have been willing to play ball on a
    regional level. Unfortunately, it's India that has not played ball. And
    what we are asking for is a leveling of the playing field so that we can
    attain our common goals of nonproliferation of weapons of mass
    destruction.

    Kashmir

        Q. Mr. President, why has the United States toned down its criticism
    of India's human rights violations in Kashmir--why has the United States
    toned down its criticism of India's human rights violations in Kashmir?
        The President. I'm sorry, sir. I'm hard of hearing. Could you----
        Q. Why has the United States toned down criticism of India's human
    rights violations in Kashmir?
        The President. There's been no change in our policy there. We are
    still trying to play a constructive role to resolve this whole matter.
    That is what we want. We stand for human rights. We'd like to see this
    matter resolved. We are willing to play a mediating role. We can only do
    it if both parties will agree. And we would like very much to see this
    resolved.

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        Obviously, if the issue of Kashmir were resolved, a lot of these
    other issues we've been discussing here today would resolve themselves.
    At least, I believe that to be the case. And so, we want to do whatever
    the United States can do to help to resolve these matters because so
    much else depends on it, as we have already seen.

    Self-Employed Health Insurance Legislation

        Q. Mr. President, a domestic question on the bill you signed today
    for health insurance for the self-employed. Other provisions in that
    bill send a so-called wrong message on issues like affirmative action, a
    wrong message on wealthy taxpayers. Why then did you sign it as opposed
    to sending it back? Were you given any kind of signal that this was the
    best you'd get out of conference?
        The President. Well, no. I signed the bill because--first of all, I
    do not agree with the exception that was made in the bill. I accept the
    fact that the funding mechanism that's in there is the one that's in
    there, and I think it's an acceptable funding mechanism. I don't agree
    with the exception that was made in the bill. And it's a good argument
    for a line-item veto that applies to special tax preferences as well as
    to special spending bills. If we had the line-item veto, it would have
    been a different story.
        But I wanted this provision passed last year, and the Congress
    didn't do it. I think it's a downpayment on how we ought to treat the
    self-employed in our country. Why should corporations get a 100 percent
    deductibility and self-employed people get nothing or even 25 percent or
    30 percent? I did it because tax day is April 17th, and these people are
    getting their records ready, and there are millions of them, and they
    are entitled to this deduction. It was wrong for it ever to expire in
    the first place.
        Now, I also think it was a terrible mistake for Congress to take the
    provision out of the bill which allows--which would have required
    billionaires to pay taxes on income earned as American citizens and not
    to give up their citizenship just to avoid our income tax. But that can
    be put on any bill in the future. It's hardly a justification to veto a
    bill that something unrelated to the main subject was not in the bill.
    It is paid for.
        This definitely ought to be done. It was a bad mistake by Congress.
    But that is not a justification to deprive over 3 million American
    business people and farmers and all of their families the benefit of
    this more affordable health care through this tax break.

    Pakistan-U.S. Relations

        Q. Mr. President, don't you think that the United States is giving
    wrong signals to its allies by dumping Pakistan, who has been an ally
    for half a century, in the cold after the Iran war?
        The President. First of all, sir, I have no intention of dumping
    Pakistan. Since I've been President, we have done everything we could to
    broaden our ties with Pakistan, to deepen our commercial relationships,
    our political relationships, and our cooperation. The present problem we
    have with the fact that the Pressler amendment was invoked for the
    first--passed in 1985, invoked for the first time in 1990, and put
    Pakistan in a no-man's land where you didn't have the equipment and
    you'd given up the money. That is what I found when I became President.
    And I would very much like to find a resolution of it.
        Under the amendment, I cannot--I will say again--under the law, I
    cannot simply release the equipment. I cannot do that lawfully.
    Therefore, we are exploring what else we can do to try to resolve this
    in a way that is fair to Pakistan. I have already made it clear to you--
    and I don't think any American President has ever said this before--I
    don't think it's right for us to keep the money and the equipment. That
    is not right. And I am going to try to find a resolution to it. I don't
    like this.
        Your country has been a good partner, and more importantly, has
    stood for democracy and opportunity and moderation. And the future of
    the entire part of the world where Pakistan is depends in some large
    measure on Pakistan's success. So we want to make progress on this. But
    the United States (a) has a law and (b) has large international
    responsibilities in the area of nonproliferation which we must fulfill.
        So I'm going to do the very best I can to work this out, but I will
    not abandon Pakistan. I'm trying to bring the United States closer to
    Pakistan, and that's why I am elated that the Prime Minister is here
    today.
        Prime Minister Bhutto. And I'd like to say that we are deeply
    encouraged by the understanding that President Clinton has shown of the
    Pakistan situation vis-a-vis the equipment and vis-a-vis the security
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    the Kashmir dispute and also that Pakistan is willing to play ball in
    terms of any regional situation.
        We welcome American mediation to help resolve the Kashmir dispute.
    We are very pleased to note that the United States is willing to do so,
    if India responds positively. And when my President goes to New Delhi
    next month, this is an issue which he can take up with the Prime
    Minister of India. But let's get down to the business of settling the
    core dispute of Kashmir so that our two countries can work together with
    the rest of the world for the common purpose of peace and stability.
        The President. Thank you.

    Note: The President's 92d news conference began at 1:50 p.m. in the
    Cross Hall at the White House. In his remarks, he referred to Prime
    Minister P.V. Narasimha Rao of India.