    [Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: William J. Clinton (1995, Book I)]
    [March 25, 1995]
    [Pages 397-400]
    [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]

    Interview With Tony Bruno and Chuck Wilson of ESPN Radio
    March 25, 1995

        Mr. Bruno. As we continue on ESPN Radio, Tony Bruno and Chuck Wilson
    with you. And I've always wanted to do this, Chuck, when introducing a
    guest, but we've never had the opportunity so far.
        Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Mr. Bill
    Clinton.
        Mr. President, thanks for joining us on ESPN Radio. This is not a
    joke. People will think because I like to clown around that we're
    pulling a fast one on the American public, but we are not. And we
    appreciate you joining us.
        The President. I'm glad to do it. And I'm glad to be in a
    conversation where the American people think someone else is pulling a
    fast one on them instead of the President. [Laughter]

    NCAA Basketball Tournament

        Mr. Wilson Mr. President, we have had an opportunity to see an
    outstanding NCAA tournament. I know you're a big basketball fan, and
    your Arkansas Razorbacks, they're still alive.
        The President. They're an amazing team. You know, everybody they've
    played this year it seems has played their very best game against them,
    and in every game it seems they have a few minutes of mental lapse where
    they let the other team get back in. But they've got enormous heart. I'm
    really proud of them, just

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    to keep coming back. They never give up, and I respect that. I respect
    that in life, and I certainly respect it on the basketball court.
        Mr. Wilson They've kept you on the edge of your chair, haven't they?
    The one-point game with Texas Southern, 2 overtime games, 13 times this
    year they've had a game decided by 5 points or less, and they win 12 of
    the 13.
        The President. It's amazing. They find a way to win. They keep
    getting themselves in trouble, but they find a way to win. Last night we
    had a watch party here at the White House, and we had a lot of folks
    from home there. And we had a cardiologist there--we were all glad he
    was there. We thought he was going to have to jumpstart half the crowd
    to get us through the end of the game. [Laughter]
        Mr. Bruno. They also keep you up very late also because of these
    overtime games. Can't you control CBS and have them put them on earlier?
    [Laughter]
        The President. No, I don't have any--you know, that's the first
    amendment; the President, more than anybody else in the country, has no
    control over the media.
        Mr. Bruno. President Bill Clinton is joining us from the Oval
    Office.
        Let's talk about--now the Arkansas Razorbacks are one more step--
    actually, they're one step away from the Final Four. You've got the
    Sunday game. Is this team going to all the way? I want the Presidential
    prediction here now.
        The President. Well, I think they have the ability to do it and they
    have the heart to do it. They've got to find the right combinations and
    maintain their concentration. I think they tend to up their play. You
    know, the two best basketball games I saw all year were the two games
    they played against Kentucky. And one they won, and one they lost. So
    it's obvious that they have the talent and the heart to do it, and I
    think if they can really get to the end of the games mentally, I think
    they've got a good chance to make it.
        I was--I must say I was very impressed with the game Virginia played
    against Kansas last night. They were exhausted with 7 or 8 minutes left
    to go. I didn't know if they could get through the end of the game, but
    they somehow found the strength and the reserve to hang in there and win
    that game. So they've got a hard game to get by Virginia before they get
    to the Final Four. But I do think they have a chance to win.

    The Presidency

        Mr. Wilson. President Clinton, frequently Presidents are accused of
    being out of touch with the people. They sit in the White House; they
    attend official functions. They don't get out with the regular people.
    You seemed to have really pushed very hard to be as normal as you can in
    the White House. Do you find it beneficial, even beyond the family
    aspects, to get out and to go to basketball games or a football game,
    that kind of thing?
        The President. Oh, I do. I think it's beneficial whenever the
    President can be in more normal circumstances, for two reasons. First of
    all, it makes you remember that there's a real life beyond the White
    House and all the security apparatus that surrounds the President; it
    makes you feel better and kind of get back in touch with yourself. And
    secondly, it's important that the President see people in informal ways
    who are all kinds of citizens, that he relates to people without regard
    to their party or income or any other particular reason they might have
    to come to see the President in the White House. I think that's very
    important.
        This is a wonderful opportunity. And it's important that the
    President be, to some extent, removed from the day-to-day things of life
    because you've got to keep looking for the long run. You've got to do a
    lot of things in this job that are unpopular because you believe them to
    be best for America in the long run. But still, the biggest danger is
    just being out of touch. So I try to fight it, and I enjoy trying to
    fight it.
        Mr. Wilson. And it's tough to be normal in a sense because of all
    the security measures. You go to a game; it's not Bill Clinton going to
    the game, it's the President going to the game.
        The President. Yes, and I--you know, I love to go to basketball
    games. I made one Georgetown game, my alma mater, and one George
    Washington game here in Washington this year. And I tried to do it in a
    way that would be as least disruptive as possible. I don't like to make
    other people wait on me to get out of a basketball arena. I don't like
    to make people wait in line while I'm getting in and getting seated. I
    really--I'm reluctant to go out to these events because I don't like to
    inconvenience other people. But it's certainly a great deal of fun when
    I get there.

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    Baseball Strike

        Mr. Bruno. President Bill Clinton joining us from the Oval Office
    here on ESPN Radio, Tony Bruno and Chuck Wilson.
        One of the things that we--none of us will be able to go to unless
    we want to go to replacement games is major league baseball. Mr.
    President, we all know the situation is now at a turning point. We would
    have liked a line-item veto a couple of weeks ago to eliminate some
    parties from the bargaining mix. [Laughter] Unfortunately, you weren't
    able to do that for us either.
        The President. We're about to pass the line-item veto. We're going
    to get that done. I don't know if I can apply it to baseball
    negotiations. I think it only applies to budgets, but it's not a bad
    idea. It's not too late.
        Mr. Bruno. Well, the American fans, almost are apathetic about this.
    We're a week away from opening day. The real games, obviously, aren't
    going to start, barring some miraculous development this coming week.
    What do you think is going to happen? Do you think that this thing will
    eventually be solved before the season is totally shot?
        The President. Well, I still think there's a chance. Mr. Usery, the
    person I appointed to mediate this, is still working. And of course,
    there are some developments involving--in the courts--involving the NLRB
    decisions that could have an impact on this. But I have to say, I will
    say again, I think both the players and the owners have to be aware that
    ultimately this game depends upon the fans. And if the fans finally get
    sick of it and decide they'd rather do something else, that's not good
    for baseball. And in the end, that is the ultimate hazard, that if it
    becomes so painfully clear that it's no longer a sport and it's just a
    business, then the customers may decide to take their business
    elsewhere. And that's what I think they all have to be sensitive to.
    They're about to run out this string. They need to resolve this.
        Mr. Wilson. The thing that is so frustrating is that this game is
    predicated so much on the history of the sport. And if we start the
    season with replacement ballplayers, it really puts a stain on the
    history of the game, doesn't it?
        The President. Well, sure, it does. Just like the strike last year.
    We had a chance to break records that had stood for decades, both
    because we had some great hitters having great seasons and, of course,
    because the expansion maybe spread the pitching a little thinner than
    the hitting. But for whatever reason, we were on the verge of having a
    shattering season in the best sense. And the American people were
    excited about it; they were into it. We had all kinds of people my age
    who hadn't thought about baseball in years that were back into it. And
    then, boom, all of a sudden there was the strike, and it was over.
        So I think if you put that with a season of replacement players, I
    think there's going to be a lot of diminished enthusiasm. I think people
    will be more interested in their minor league teams, the teams in their
    own little leagues in their communities, than they are in major league
    baseball. It could become a community support again--sport again, almost
    the way soccer is, if they don't fix it.

    Michael Jordan

        Mr. Bruno. Mr. President, sooner or later baseball will be back; we
    all know that somehow, someway, will happen. Michael Jordan, though,
    returned recently now to the NBA, and Mike Tyson was just released from
    prison. So things aren't really all bad. We're seeing some of the big
    names in sports come back. Your thoughts on the return of Michael Jordan
    and Mike Tyson now back into the mainstream society.
        The President. Well, I think Jordan has played very well,
    considering the pressure that's been on him and how long he's been out
    of basketball. You know, he doesn't quite have his shot back yet. But
    he's played very well, and I'm amazed that--I know he was training for
    baseball, but it's still--it's a different sport that requires different
    skills. I'm amazed at how well he's gotten back into the flow of the
    game. And he makes the Bulls a different team because he in effect makes
    all those other guys more potent weapons as well. So I think--I don't
    know how quickly they'll get it all worked out, but when they do they'll
    be humming again.

    NCAA Basketball Tournament

        Mr. Bruno.  All right, Mr. President, before we let you go--and we
    appreciate your time this morning--we've got to get--we know you like
    Arkansas. We need the Final Four prediction from President Bill Clinton.
        The President. I don't want to get into that. I'm devoted to
    Arkansas, and of course, the Oklahoma State coach, Eddie Sutton, is a
    very

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    close friend of mine. He coached at Arkansas for many years. And he has
    done a brilliant job, I think, in getting that team as far as it's gone.
    So I think--you know, I thought when we started the tournament that
    there were eight or nine teams that could win. Last year, when Arkansas
    won, I think, realistically, there were only about four teams that had a
    good chance to win. This year there really are eight or nine teams. And
    of course, now we're down to eight, and I think every one of them--I can
    see a scenario where they could come out on top.
        UConn and UMass are both playing much better than they were along
    toward the end of the season. And UCLA has been stunning, and Kentucky,
    I don't think they've missed a shot since they beat Arkansas in
    overtime. So I wouldn't hazard a prediction. I think any of these teams
    that are left can win.
        Mr. Bruno. President Bill Clinton, taking the safe political route
    here on ESPN. Mr. President, we----
        The President. As long as you know who I'm for, I don't have to
    predict who's going to win. [Laughter] I'm unambiguously for--
    [laughter].
        Mr. Bruno. Mr. President, thank you so much for joining us here on
    ESPN Radio. We appreciate it.
        The President. Thanks, Tony. Thanks, Chuck. Bye-bye.

    Note: The interview began at 10:57 a.m. in the Oval Office at the White
    House and was embargoed for release until 6 p.m.