    [Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: William J. Clinton (1994, Book II)]
    [November 4, 1994]
    [Pages 1989-1990]
    [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]

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    Interview With Ken Minyard and Roger Barkley of KABC Radio, Los Angeles,
    California
    November 4, 1994

        Q. And now, ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States
    of America, President Bill Clinton. We wanted to make--you're probably
    very happy today, Mr. President, given the unemployment figures, and we
    thought bringing you on in this style would be appropriate.
        The President. Well, thank you very much.
        Q. You recognize that music, of course?
        The President. I do. That's what I played on ``Arsenio.''
        Q. That's right. That's right.
        The President. Now, I'm supposed to say, ``Great show,'' aren't I?
        Q. Oh, yes. Let's start from the beginning. Ladies and gentlemen,
    the President of the United States.
        The President. Great show, Ken and Barkley.
        Q. Oh, thank you very much.
        The President. I've got my lines down.
        Q. You did it fine.
        The President. You play my music, and I do your lines. It's great.
        Q. Yes, thank you very much. Mr. President, it's a pleasure
    certainly for us to be able to visit with you here. We were actually
    broadcasting this program from your Inauguration on the morning of
    January 20, 1991. We were in the big scaffolding thing that was set up
    alongside the Capitol building where all the photographers and other
    broadcasters were. And you waved at us, I think. That was a very nice
    thing.
        The President. 1993. Yes, that was great.

    The Presidency

        Q. '93. Yes, '93. Excuse me, '91. 1993. Now, would you say as you
    look back on it, nearly 2 years after that day, that you maybe went into
    the office somewhat naive about the reality of being President of the
    United States?
        The President. What do you mean by that?
        Q. Well, that the magnificence of that moment and the anticipation
    of the 4 years to follow and, perhaps, 8, how tough it was going to be.
    And then suddenly the reality sets in that you're dealing with Haiti and
    the Middle East and all the things that have----
        The President. I think to some--I think I underestimated a couple of
    things. First of all, the difficulty of having to manage both a domestic
    and a foreign policy at the same time when both needed so much change,
    because we need to be strong at home and strong abroad and fighting for
    good jobs and strong families and safe streets at home and fighting for
    greater security and freedom and democracy abroad, that's something I
    underestimated.
        The other thing I underestimated was the extreme partisanship of the
    Republican congressional leadership which we now know from studies is
    the worst it's been since World War II. No President ever had to deal
    with that.
        Now, notwithstanding that, after the Congress went home, we learned
    that this was only the third time since World War II when the Congress
    supported the President more than 80 percent of the time. And so we were
    able to have a historic reduction in the deficit and to provide a
    dramatic increase in college loans for middle class people and pass the
    family leave law and the Brady bill and a dramatic crime bill and
    immunize the kids in the country who are under 2 by 1996. We did a lot
    of profoundly important things, but it was an extremely partisan and
    negative environment.
        I also underestimated the extent to which the communications in the
    country would continue to be so combative and negative. And I think that
    somehow unduly sours the American people when the truth is that, for all
    of our difficulties, this country's in better shape than it was 21
    months ago. We're growing jobs at 5 times the rate of the previous 4
    years. We've got over 5 million new jobs in 21 months. I mean, we're
    moving in the right direction.

    President's Popularity

        Q. With those accomplishments and a slew of good economic
    indicators, it's got to--you've got to wonder, I would think, to say,
    ``This is--we should be in great shape here; my popularity should be at
    an all-time high, and it's not.''
        Although, by the way, I should point out to you that Orange County
    Register this morning opens this way in a story: ``Who's the most
    popular politician these days in California? President Clinton.'' You
    emerged on top of all the politi-

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    cians. Pete Wilson, Governor Wilson, came in second.
        Q. In a poll in Orange County?
        Q. In Orange County Register and other media outlets.
        The President. Well, you know, for one thing, I think if you look at
    the time in which we live, the combative time in which we live and the
    frustrations people are going through, it's hard for any incumbent
    politician to be popular.
        Secondly, I have taken on a lot of tough issues in a very short
    period of time. And when you go through fights and you take on a lot of
    strong interest groups--and we had to take on tough interest groups to
    pass the economic plan, to pass the college loan plan, to pass the Brady
    bill, to pass the assault weapons ban, to try to deal with the health
    care issue--when you do these things, there is--it's also, while you're
    doing it, it can be very unsettling to people because all the news they
    get is about the combat, the conflict, the things that are going on.
        So I knew when I started this course that I had to keep my eye on
    what America would look like in the 21st century. And I had to be
    willing to have some ups and downs in popularity to try to solve the
    long-term problems of the country.
        I just want the American people to know that I have--every day I get
    up and go to work and do the best I can trying to increase their
    strength for the future, to give them good jobs and safe streets and
    strong families and to make us stronger in the world. And I think we are
    getting stronger. We're moving in the right direction. And that's my
    job.
        And I tell everybody at the White House, it's not our job to worry
    about our popularity, to worry about what the American people think of
    us every day. But we have to think of the American people every day. And
    in the end, I think the approval ratings will come out okay. But I've
    just got to get up here and try to solve these problems. They're not
    easy; they're not simple.
        And the only thing that I regret is that I have not been more
    successful in trying to dissipate some of this kind of cynical and
    negative atmosphere in which we operate today because the truth is, this
    is a very great country with enormous capacity to deal with our
    problems. We are making progress; we are moving forward. And we need to
    fight the temptation to be full of self doubt. You know, it just doesn't
    belong in this country.
        Q. What we'd, of course, like to talk to the President of the United
    States about--I know you're on a short schedule, and you're going to be
    coming out to California. The big issue we wanted to discuss is----
        The President. Yes, I'll be there today. I'm going to have a rally
    late this afternoon at City Hall.
        Q. That's right. Tonight, for Dianne Feinstein, right?
        The President. Yes.
        Q. But we also wanted to sometime tackle the issue of Don Imus
    versus Ken and Barkley, but we'll do that another time.
        The President. Well, you guys are doing pretty well, I think.
        Q. Yes, we are. We would hope, indeed, that we'd have an opportunity
    to talk to you again. Thank you, President Bill Clinton on the Ken and
    Barkley Company.
        The President. Thank you.

    Note: The interview began at 10:44 a.m. The President spoke by telephone
    from the Holiday Inn in Duluth, MN. An interviewer referred to radio
    personality Don Imus.