    [Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: William J. Clinton (1993, Book II)]
    [November 12, 1993]
    [Pages 1959-1960]
    [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]

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    Remarks in a Telephone Conversation With Representative Ed Pastor on
    NAFTA
    November 12, 1993

        Representative Pastor. Good morning.
        The President. Hello, Ed.
        Representative Pastor. Yes, good morning, Mr. President.
        The President. How are you?
        Representative Pastor. I'm doing well, sir, beautiful weather here
    in Arizona.
        The President. It's beautiful here, too.
        Representative Pastor. The reason I called you was to let you know
    that November 17, we'll be supporting you on the free-trade agreement.
        The President. Thank you very much. We need your help.
        Representative Pastor. And I give a lot of credit to this to
    Congressman Esteban Torres. As you know, he worked very hard to get that
    NAD bank. And I know that with it we can do some things along the
    border.
        I had a conversation yesterday with the EPA Administrator, and we
    talked about the resources that will be available. That was one of my
    concerns. So I look forward to working with her and with you to help the
    border communities along our Mexican-U.S. border.
        The President. Thank you very much, Ed. As you well know, these
    environmental difficulties are going to get a lot better if NAFTA passes
    now that we've got the development bank there. And it also means more
    jobs along the border on both sides working on environmental clean-up.
    So I'm very encouraged.
        I also want you to know that since you've been gone we've had a
    pretty good run in picking up some folks. Congresswoman Anna Eshoo from
    California came out yesterday, and we got five Congressmen from the Rust
    Belt. David Mann from Ohio became the first Democrat in Ohio to come out
    for NAFTA along with Congressman Hobson and Congressman Kasich. And then
    we got two Republicans from Michigan and two Members of Congress in the
    last week switched from no to yes, Marilyn Lloyd and Rick Lehman.
        Representative Pastor. Well, Mr. President, you're doing very well.
        The President. Well, we're making progress anyway. And we got Gerry
    Studds and Steny Hoyer when they came out last week. I think that was a
    good sign because they'll work hard and try to help us pass this thing.
    So I'm feeling much better than I did a few days ago. But I'm glad to
    have this phone call from you, and I just want to encourage you to try
    to sway every vote you can. And let's keep working until we bring it in.
        Representative Pastor. Well, I'm going to be working with Members of
    the Hispanic Caucus. I know that some are still undecided, so we'll be
    working with them.
        The President. We've got about four outstanding that I think we can
    still get if we all work hard.
        Representative Pastor. Well, we're all going to work hard for you
    and, hopefully, at the final count we'll be past the 218 that we need.
    But I'm very happy to join you in this effort and at this time would
    like to ask you to consider coming to Arizona one of these days.
        The President. I'd like to come back. You know it's been a while
    since I was there. I was there during the campaign, and the State was
    actually very good to me. I was amazed as we came so close to victory
    there. And I'm anxious to come back, and I want to be your guest.
        Representative Pastor. Well, you have a standing tee time, so let me
    know when you--and we've got a lot of mulligans. [Laughter] Let me know
    when you want to come out.
        The President. Thanks. I've played golf in Arizona, and it was a
    good round for me; so I have wonderful memories of that. I'll do that.
    Thank you.
        Representative Pastor. Okay. Thank you Mr. President.
        The President. Bye.
        Representative Pastor. Have a good day.

    [At this point, the telephone conversation ended, and the President took
    questions from reporters.]

        Q. Where does this put you, roughly, in terms of the number of votes
    you need now? Sunday you said you needed about 30.
        The President. Oh, no, we're much closer now. I think we'll get what
    we think we have to get on the Democratic side, and I'm working

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    with the Republicans. I see all this stuff about their difficulties, but
    I don't buy that. I think that they've got some of the same problems our
    folks do.

        I think it's clear to everybody now--let me say this again, if there
    were a secret ballot, this would pass by 50 votes or more. And I think
    everyone knows that. So now it's a question of getting the people who
    are in there harder for NAFTA and who know it's good for American jobs
    and who know it's an important part of our foreign policy for the
    future, that it will develop America by reaching out to the world, that
    it will lead to a trade pact with all of Latin America, that it will
    help us with the Pacific and Europe. It's a matter of sort of bringing
    that conviction to the fore.

        And I will say again, I think that from the point of view of the
    Congress, the number one virtue of the debate between the Vice President
    and Mr. Perot is that Al Gore showed that if you are on the right side
    of an issue and if you believe it, you can convince your constituents
    that you're right and that it's in their interest. And so I'm still very
    upbeat about this. But I think there will be clouds around this issue
    right to the last.

        Q. Well, just in a ballpark idea, I mean, is it fair to say less
    than 20 votes away or----

        The President. It's fair to say that I've got a list that makes me
    think we can do what we always thought we'd have to do. In fast track, I
    think the Democrats only had--when they voted for the fast track
    negotiations here, I think they only had 95 votes. But I've always
    thought we could do our part and we could get 218 votes on Wednesday,
    and I still believe we're going to.

    Note: The President spoke at 9:19 a.m. in the Oval Office at the White
    House.