    [Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: William J. Clinton (1993, Book II)]
    [November 10, 1993]
    [Pages 1940-1941]
    [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office www.gpo.gov]

    Remarks in a Telephone Conversation With the Vice President on the NAFTA
    Television Debate
    November 10, 1993

        The President. Hey, how are you?
        The Vice President. I'm doing great, thank you.
        The President. Well, you were great last night.

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        The Vice President. Well, I appreciate that.
        The President. It was really wonderful. I was so proud not only of
    what you said but of how you said it, kind of appealing to people's
    hopes instead of their fears. It was terrific, and of course all the
    results today show that you really can make these arguments to the
    American people and tell the truth and prevail. I'm just elated.
        The Vice President. Well, thank you, Mr. President. We've got a few
    days left now, as you well know, and your voice is being heard by
    hundreds of people here at Storage Technology who have been working in
    behalf of NAFTA because they're trying to sell products into Mexico, and
    they have a 20 percent tariff they have to overcome now, which would go
    down to zero if NAFTA passes. It's already zero coming in the opposite
    direction, and if NAFTA doesn't pass, these folks have to worry about a
    Japanese company coming in to locate in Mexico to serve that growing
    market and then use it as an export platform to compete right here in
    the United States. They want to base these jobs here in the United
    States instead. So you're talking to the right audience here, Mr.
    President. We're trying to get the message out all over the country. So
    thank you so much for your call.
        The President. Well, I want to say to all the people who are there,
    first, thank you for receiving the Vice President and Tim Wirth today,
    and thank you for your support of this. I urge you to do what you can in
    the next few days to communicate your feelings to as many Members of
    Congress as you can reach, because there is a lot of justifiable fear
    and anxiety and insecurity in this country about the changing economy.
    And we have to show the Members of Congress that Americans can compete
    and win in this global economy if we're given half a chance and that
    this agreement is the beginning of our reach for the rest of the world
    in a way that will create jobs.
        There is no evidence that the United States or any other rich
    country can create a lot of new jobs without expanding trade. NAFTA is a
    big first step for us, and you know that very well. And if you know it
    and you believe it, I ask you not only to cheer for the Vice President
    today--he deserves it, he was terrific last night--but help us to win
    this fight next week. Tell the Members of Congress that this means
    American jobs and a better and brighter future for our country. We need
    your help. We need your help. We've got to have hope win out over fear
    next week in this NAFTA vote. We can do it with people like you. I thank
    you, and I thank you, Vice President Gore.
        The Vice President. Thank you, Mr. President.
        The President. See you when you get home.
        The Vice President. See you back in the office tomorrow.
        The President. Bye-bye. Thanks.

    [At this point, the telephone conversation ended, and the President took
    questions from reporters.]

        Q. Mr. President, what was Perot's big mistake?
        The President. Well, I just think that the Vice President appealed
    to the hopes of the American people and also talked about the facts and
    also cited specific examples. He called the names of people who worked
    in factories, who were in small businesses, who would specifically
    benefit from this expansion of trade. And he also appealed to the
    Members of the Congress to do what was right for the country and to make
    this straightforward argument to the people.
        Mr. Perot basically said anybody that didn't agree with him, no
    matter how deep their conscience was, they were going to try to get rid
    of them out of the Congress. One appealed to hope and reasoning, the
    other appealed to fear and threat. And I think you can see what the
    results were in the public opinion polls. The American people said,
    ``This makes sense to us.'' And I think the more people who hear it, the
    more sense it will make.

    Note: The President spoke at 1:08 p.m. in the Oval Office at the White
    House. In his remarks, he referred to Tim Wirth, Under Secretary of
    State for Global Affairs. The exchange portion of this item could not be
    verified because the tape was incomplete.