[Hinds' Precedents, Volume 5]
[Chapter 128 - Voting By Tellers and By Ballot]
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                    VOTING BY TELLERS AND BY BALLOT.

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    1. Rule for tellers. Sections 5985, 5986.\1\
    2. Member's duty to serve as teller. Sections 5987-6989.\2\
    3. Vote by tellers interrupted by failure of quorum. Section 
     5990.
    4. Inaccuracies in vote by tellers. Sections 5991-5995.
    5. Chair may be counted in vote by tellers. Sections 5996, 
     5997.
    6. Tellers may be demanded after refusal of yeas and nays. 
     Section 5998.
    7. Right to demand not precluded by intervention of question 
     as to quorum. Sections 5999-6000.
    8. In relation to motion that Committee of Whole rise. Section 
     6001.
    9. Tellers may not be demanded under general parliamentary 
     law. Section 6002.
   10. The rule for election by ballot. Sections 6003-6005.\3\
   11. General decisions as to voting by ballot. Sections 6006-
     6010.\4\

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  5985. Tellers may be ordered by the Speaker, if he is in doubt, or by 
one-fifth of a quorum.--Section 5 of Rule I \5\ provides as to the vote 
by tellers:

  He shall * * * put questions in this form, to wit: ``As many as are 
in favor (as the question may be), say aye;'' and after the affirmative 
voice is expressed, ``As many as are opposed, say no;'' if he doubts, 
or a division is called for, the House shall divide; those in the 
affirmative of the question shall first rise from their seats, and then 
those in the negative; if he still doubts, or a count is required by at 
least one-fifth of a quorum, he shall name one from each side of the 
question, to tell the Members in the affirmative and negative; which 
being reported, he shall rise and state the decision.

  5986. In Committee of the Whole twenty, one-fifth of the quorum of 
one hundred, are required to order tellers.--On May 16, 1890,\6\ during 
consideration of the tariff bill (H. R. 9416) in the Committee of the 
Whole House on the state of the Union, a question arose on a point of 
order raised by Mr. Benton McMillin, of Tennessee, as to the number 
required to order tellers in Committee of the Whole, and the Chairman 
\7\ ruled:

  The Chair will state that in the rules of the House the following is 
the only provision in regard to tellers: ``If he, ``referring to the 
Speaker, under Rule I, ``still doubts or a count is required by at
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  \1\ A demand for tellers held dilatory. (Secs. 5735, 5736 of this 
volume.)
  \2\ Delegates appointed as tellem. (Secs. 1302, 1303 of Vol. II.)
  \3\ As to the Journal record of a vote by ballot. (Sec. 232 of Vol. 
I.)
  \4\ Proceedings in balloting for President of the United States--
  In 1801. (Sec. 1983 of Vol. III.)
   In 1825. (Sec. 1994 of Vol. III.)
  Voting by ballot for managers of an impeachment. (Secs. 2368, 2417 of 
Vol. III.)
  \5\ For history of this rule, see section 1311 of Vol. II of this 
work.
  \6\ First session Fifty-first Congress, Record, pp. 4784, 4786.
  \7\ Charles H. Grosvenor, of Ohio, Chairman.
Sec. 5987
least one-fifth of a quorum, he shall name one from each side of the 
question to tell the Members in the affirmative and negative.''
  The rule applies literally to the House, and one-fifth of a quorum 
would, in the present case, be thirty-four gentlemen rising. The rules 
state that these rules shall be applicable to the Committee of the 
Whole where applicable. Unless that rule does apply in the Committee of 
the Whole, then there would be no rule that would designate any number 
that would be sufficient to demand a vote by tellers. So that the Chair 
will hold that a quorum of the Committee of the Whole being 100, a 
demand of 20 is sufficient to order tellers.\1\

  5987. It is the duty of the Member to serve as teller when appointed 
by the Chair.--On June 26, 1882,\2\ on a question of order in Committee 
of the Whole, the Chairman \3\ overruled a point of order made by Mr. 
Philip B. Thompson, jr., of Kentucky. Mr. Thompson having appealed and 
tellers being ordered on the appeal, the Chairman appointed Mr. 
Thompson one of the tellers.
  Mr. Thompson declined to serve.
  Then the Chairman turned to Mr. S. S. Cox, of New York, an old 
Member, and asked him if he would serve as teller.
  Mr. Cox replied:

  With the greatest pleasure, sir; it is my duty. [Applause.]

  5988. After gentlemen favoring an amendment had declined to act as 
teller for a pending vote the Chair appointed the second teller from 
those opposed.--On March 1, 1907,\4\ the House was in Committee of the 
Whole, when tellers were ordered on an amendment to the bill (S. 529) 
to promote the national defense, etc., known as the ship-subsidy bill, 
offered by Mr. William Sulzer, of New York. The Chairman \5\ appointed 
as tellers Mr. Lucius N. Littauer, of New York, and Mr. Sulzer.
  Mr. Sulzer declined to serve as teller.
  The Chairman thereupon appointed Mr. Swager Sherley, of Kentucky.
  Mr. Sherley declined to serve.
  Thereupon the Chairman asked if any gentleman who favored the 
amendment would serve as teller.
  No one responding, the Chairman appointed Mr. Sereno E. Payne, of New 
York, who was an opponent of the amendment, to act with Mr. Littauer, 
who was also an opponent.
  5989. Two members of the minority party having successively declined 
to act as tellers, the Speaker directed the Member who had been 
appointed teller for the majority party to count the vote.--On March 
29, 1894,\6\ the House was considering an order proposed by Mr. Josiah 
Patterson, of Tennessee, that the Sergeant-at-Arms take into custody 
absent Members, the order to continue in force beyond the adjournment 
of the session for the day and until the further order of the House.
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  \1\ See also Record, p. 1785, first session Fifty-first Congress, for 
similar ruling.
  \2\ First session Forty-seventh Congress, Record, p. 5376.
  \3\ John H. Camp, of New York, Chairman.
  \4\ Second session Fifty-ninth Congress, Record, p. 4371.
  \5\ Frank D. Currier, of New Hampshire, Chairman.
  \6\ Second session Fifty-third Congress, Record, p. 3340; Journal, 
pp. 284, 286, 287.
                                                            Sec. 5990
  The yeas and nays having been demanded, Mr. Sereno E. Payne, of New 
York, a member of the minority party in the House, demanded that the 
vote on ordering the yeas and nays be taken by tellers, and tellers 
were ordered.
  The Speaker appointed Mr. Payne and Mr. Patterson as tellers.
  Mr. Payne declined to act as teller.
  The Speaker thereupon appointed Mr. Thomas B. Reed, of Maine, another 
member of the minority, who also declined to act.
  The Speaker \1\ then directed the other teller [Mr. Patterson] to 
count the vote on ordering the yeas and nays.
  5990. When in the House a vote by tellers fails for lack of a quorum 
and motions relating to a call of the House interrupt, the vote by 
tellers is taken anew rather than by a count additional to the first 
vote.--On February 27, 1893,\2\ Mr. George D. Wise, of Virginia, moved 
that the rules be suspended, and that the House agree to the amendments 
of the Senate to the bill (H. R. 9350) to promote the safety of 
employees and travelers upon railroads, by compelling common carriers 
engaged in interstate commerce to equip their cars with automatic 
couplers and continuous brakes and their locomotives with driving-wheel 
brakes.
  A second having been demanded by Mr. James D. Richardson, of 
Tennessee, and no quorum appearing on the question of seconding the 
motion,
  Mr. Richardson moved that there be a call of the House, which motion 
was disagreed to.
  The tellers, being still in their places, proceeded to count 
additional votes in favor of seconding the motion of Mr. Wise.
  Mr. C. B. Kilgore, of Texas, made the point of order that inasmuch as 
the motion for a call of the House had been entertained and voted upon 
since the previous report of the tellers was made, the vote on 
seconding the motion of Mr. Wise must be taken de novo.
  The Speaker \1\ sustained the point of order.
  5991. The count by tellers becoming uncertain by reason of confusion, 
the Chair ordered the vote taken again.--On June 24, 1882,\3\ in a case 
wherein on a vote by tellers, Messrs. William D. Kelley, of 
Pennsylvania, and Samuel J. Randall, of Pennsylvania, being tellers, 
the committee divided amid great confusion, and after the vote was 
completed the Chairman \4\ of the Committee of the Whole announced the 
vote as, ayes 99, noes 103. Mr. Randall at once challenged this, 
declaring that his count showed 103 in the affirmative; Mr. Kelley 
stated that his count made it less. The Chairman ruled that as the 
tellers disagreed, a new count should be had, and it was so ordered.
  On February 21, 1905,\5\ the House had resolved itself into the 
Committee of the Whole House on the state of the Union for the 
consideration of the Philippine tariff bill (H. R. 18967).
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  \1\ Charles F. Crisp, of Georgia, Speaker.
  \2\ Second session Fifty-second Congress, Journal, p. 117-1 Record, 
p. 2240.
  \3\ First session Forty-seventh Congress, Record, p. 5319.
  \4\ John H. Camp, of New York, Chairman.
  \5\ Third session Fifty-eighth Congress, Record, p. 3001.
Sec. 5992
  In the course of the consideration thereof, Mr. E. Y. Webb, of North 
Carolina, offered an amendment, and, after a division, Mr. Webb asked 
tellers; tellers were ordered, and the Chair appointed Mr. Sereno E. 
Payne, of New York, and Mr. Webb.
  The committee again divided.
  The tellers having announced several additions to the affirmative and 
negative votes, and there being some confusion in the count, producing 
uncertainty, the Chairman \1\ said:

  The Chair would say that this vote has become so confused that it is 
impossible to announce the exact result. The vote will therefore be 
taken again.

  The committee again divided, and the tellers reported ayes 88, noes 
98.
  The Chairman announced:

  The tellers announce ayes 88, noes 98. Accordingly, the amendment is 
rejected.

  5992. Before the Chairman had declared the result of a vote by 
tellers, a question arose as to the count, and by unanimous consent the 
vote was taken again.--On February 23, 1904,\2\ the House being in 
Committee of the Whole House on the state of the Union for the 
consideration of the naval appropriation bill, a vote was taken by 
tellers and a question arose as to the count, and there was a 
misunderstanding between the tellers as to the result.
  Mr. Alston G. Dayton, of West Virginia, asked unanimous consent that 
the vote be taken again.
  There was no objection, and it was so ordered.
  5993. A vote by tellers having been taken and the result announced, a 
recount may be had only by unanimous consent.--On September 27, 
1850,\3\ while the general appropriation bill was under consideration 
in Committee of the Whole House on the state of the Union, an appeal 
was taken from a decision of the Chair, and the vote was taken by 
tellers. On this vote the tellers reported in favor of sustaining the 
Chair 67, and opposed 59. The tellers also reported that they were 
informed by several Members that they had voted under a misapprehension 
and desired a recount.
  The Chairman \4\ said that he knew of no means by which a recount 
could be had except by unanimous consent.
  5994. On May 12, 1852,\5\ in Committee of the Whole House on the 
state of the Union, a vote had been taken by tellers on an appeal from 
the decision of the Chair.
  The result of the vote having been announced as ayes 63, noes 64, Mr. 
Edward Stanly, of North Carolina, made the point of order that a number 
of names were included in the count after the tellers had reported and 
that the confusion had been so great that there had been no fair count.
  Objection being made to a recount, the Chairman \6\ said:

  The Chair is of opinion that after a vote has been taken, and the 
decision announced, there can not be a recount except by unanimous 
consent.
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  \1\ Charles F. Scott, of Kansas, Chairman.
  \2\ Second session Fifty-eighth Congress, Record, p. 2280.
  \3\ First session Thirty-first Congress, Globe, p. 1990.
  \4\ Armistead Burt, of South Carolina, Chairman.
  \5\ First session Thirty-second Congress, Globe, p. 1348.
  \6\ Harry Hibbard, of New Hampshire, Chairman.
                                                            Sec. 5995
  An appeal being taken, the decision of the Chair was sustained, ayes 
80, noes 63.
  5995. After the Chair had announced the result of a vote by tellers, 
he proposed, because of confusion during the voting, to order the vote 
taken again, but the Committee of the Whole, on appeal, decided against 
the proposed action.--On February 9, 1846,\1\ the House was in 
Committee of the Whole House on the state of the Union considering the 
joint resolution giving notice to Great Britain of the termination of 
the convention regarding the Oregon territory. Upon a vote by tellers 
on an amendment declaring that the differences with Great Britain 
should be adjusted by honorable negotiation, the vote was announced as 
102 ayes, and then as 101 ayes, to 99 noes.
  There was some dissatisfaction, and Mr. Stephen A. Douglas, of 
Illinois, one of the tellers, was understood to say that as Members 
passed through rapidly a mistake might have occurred, but he 
entertained no doubt that the vote as reported was correct.
  The Chairman thereupon ordered another count.
  Mr. Robert B. Rhett, of South Carolina, said that as the Chairman had 
declared the amendment agreed to he should object to the vote being 
retaken.
  The Chairman \2\ admitted that he had declared the amendment adopted, 
but as difficulty had arisen and some mistake might have occurred he 
would order a new vote. Thereupon he appointed tellers again, and they 
were proceeding to take their places when Mr. Robert C. Schenck, of 
Ohio, appealed from the decision of the Chair, holding that one of the 
tellers had stated his belief that the count was accurate, although 
there had been confusion. A vote being taken on the appeal, the 
decision of the Chair was reversed by a vote of 108 to 90. So the vote 
was not taken anew.
  5996. The Chair may be counted on a vote by tellers.--On February 14, 
1901 \3\ while the sundry civil appropriation bill was under 
consideration in Committee of the Whole House on the state of the 
Union, a vote was taken on an amendment proposed by Mr. James D. 
Richardson, of Tennessee, and relating to certain payments on account 
of the old custom-house in New York City.
  On a division, there being ayes 75, noes 75, Mr. Richardson demanded 
tellers, which were ordered.
  Before the announcement of the vote by tellers the Chairman \4\ 
announced that he would like to be considered as having gone between 
the tellers. Thereupon he announced the result, ayes 92, noes 92, and 
that the amendment was lost.
  5997. On February 18, 1904,\5\ the fortifications appropriation bill 
was under consideration in Committee of the Whole House on the state of 
Union when Mr. Choice B. Randell, of Texas, proposed an amendment and a 
vote thereon was ordered by tellers.
  The tellers reported ayes 79, noes 78.
  Thereupon the Chairman \6\ announced that he voted in the negative, 
that the ayes were 79 and noes 79, and that the amendment was disagreed 
to.
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  \1\ First session Twenty-ninth Congress, Globe, p. 347.
  \2\ John W. Tibbatts, of Kentucky, Chairman.
  \3\ Second session Fifty-sixth Congress, Record, p. 2434.
  \4\ Henry S. Boutelle, of Illinois, Chairman.
  \5\ Second session Fifty-eighth Congress, Record, p. 2049.
  \6\ James S. Sherman, of New York, Chairman.
Sec. 5998
  5998. A demand for tellers is not precluded or set aside by the fact 
that the yeas and nays are demanded and refused.--On May 26, 1906,\1\ 
Mr. Robert Adams, jr., of Pennsylvania, moved to close general debate 
in Committee of the Whole House on the state of the Union on the 
pending consular and diplomatic appropriation bill, and the Speaker 
announced the result of a division, ayes 100, noes 93.
  Mr. James Breck Perkins, of New York, demanded tellers.
  Mr. De Alva S. Alexander, of New York, demanded the yeas and nays.
  The yeas and nays were refused.
  Mr. Lemuel P. Padgett, of Tennessee, called attention to the pending 
demand for tellers.
  Mr. Adams made the point of order that after the refusal of the yeas 
and nays it was too late to demand or order tellers.
  The Speaker \2\ held:

  The Chair, after inquiry, does not find that this question is 
controlled or enlightened by a precedent. There may be precedents in 
the premises, but, if so, they can not be found after hasty 
examination. Now, the gentleman demanded tellers. Pending that demand 
the yeas and nays were demanded and the yeas and nays were refused. It 
does seem to the Chair that the demand for tellers, not having been 
disposed of, might be regarded as pending, because, perchance, the 
Chair may have miscounted, the vote being close, or, perchance, 
gentlemen may have changed their judgment between the time the count 
was made by the Chair and the present time. As many as are in favor of 
ordering tellers will rise and stand until counted.

  5999. The right to demand tellers as a further evidence of the vote 
is not waived by the fact that a question has been raised as to the 
presence of a quorum on the division, and the Chair has counted the 
House.--On April 26, 1890,\3\ the House was considering the 
legislative, executive, and judicial appropriation bill, and the 
question being on the motion of Mr. Benjamin Butterworth, of Ohio, that 
the previous question be ordered on the bill and amendments, there 
were, on division, ayes 136, noes 10.
  Mr. William D. Bynum, of Indiana, made the point of order that no 
quorum had voted, and the further point that no quorum was present.
  The Speaker pro tempore overruled the first point of order and 
proceeded to count the House.
  After completing the count the Speaker pro tempore stated that 167 
Members, more than a quorum, were present.
  Mr. Bynum demanded tellers upon the vote.
  Mr. Lewis E. Payson, of Illinois, made the point of order that the 
demand was not in order after the count by the Speaker pro tempore.
  After debate on the point of order, the Speaker pro tempore \4\ said:

  This question comes up under the motion of the gentleman from Ohio 
for the previous question on the bill and amendments. That question was 
put to the House and the Chair declared the ayes seemed to have it, 
whereupon a division was demanded, and the vote on division was 
declared to be 136 in the affirmative and 10 in the negative. Thereupon 
the gentleman from Indiana made the point
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  \1\ First session Fifty-ninth Congress, Record, p. 7473.
  \2\ Joseph G. Cannon, of Illinois, Speaker.
  \3\ First session Fifty-first Congress, Journal, pp. 528, 529; 
Record, p. 3911.
  \4\ Julius C. Burrows, of Michigan, Speaker pro tempore.
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that no quorum had voted and that no quorum was present. The Chair 
overruled the point of order that no quorum had voted, and to ascertain 
whether a quorum was present proceeded to count the House. Upon 
counting the House the Chair found 167 Members present and overruled 
the second point of order. Thereupon the gentleman from Indiana 
demanded tellers. Against this demand the gentleman from Illinois makes 
the point of order that the demand comes too late and that the right to 
demand tellers has been waived.
  The Chair thinks the point of order is not well taken. Upon the 
division, a quorum not having voted, it was the right of any Member to 
make the point that a quorum was not present and arrest all proceedings 
until that fact could be ascertained. Upon the ascertainment of that 
fact, and a quorum found to present, it was the right of the House to 
have either tellers or the yeas and nays on the pending motion for the 
previous question.
  The Chair therefore overrules the point of order.

  6000. On March 29, 1906,\1\ the legislative appropriation bill was 
under consideration in Committee of the Whole House on the state of the 
Union, when a vote was taken viva voce on an amendment specifying the 
qualifications of a law clerk provided for one of the Departments.
  The Chair having announced that the noes appeared to have it, Mr. 
Charles L. Bartlett, of Georgia, called for a division.
  On division there appeared ayes 20, noes 43.
  Mr. Charles L. Bartlett made the point that no quorum was present
  The Chair, after counting, announced 106 gentlemen present--a quorum.
  Mr. Bartlett, rising to a parliamentary inquiry, asked if it was too 
late to demand tellers.
  The Chairman \2\ referring to a precedent quoted in the Manual, 
decided it in order to demand tellers.
  6001. Tellers having been ordered and appointed in Committee of the 
Whole, it is not in order to move that the committee rise pending the 
taking of the vote.\3\--On January 13, 1898,\4\ during the 
consideration of the agricultural appropriation bill in Committee of 
the Whole, Mr. Sereno E. Payne, of New York, called for tellers after a 
vote by division had been taken on an amendment.
  Tellers were ordered, and Messrs. Champ Clark, of Missouri, and Payne 
were appointed.
  Thereupon Mr. James W. Wadsworth, of New York, moved that the 
committee rise.
  Mr. Clark made the point of order that the motion was not in order 
while the committee was dividing.
  The Chairman \5\ held:

  Tellers having been ordered, it is not in order, as the Chair 
understands, to move that the committee rise pending the taking of the 
vote. The tellers will take their places.

  6002. Before the adoption of rules, while the House was acting under 
the general parliamentary law, it was held that the right to demand 
tellers did not exist.
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  \1\ First session Fifty-ninth Congress, Record, p. 4462.
  \2\ Marlin E. Olmsted, of Pennsylvania, Chairman.
  \3\ See also sections 4771-4773 of Vol. IV of this work.
  \4\ Second session Fifty-fifth Congress, Record, p. 605.
  \5\ John A. T. Hull, of Iowa, Chairman.
Sec. 6002
  The rules of one House of Representatives are not binding on a 
succeeding House, directly or indirectly, unless adopted by the latter 
House.
  The right of appeal insures the House against the arbitrary control 
of the Speaker, and can not be taken away from the House.
  One of the suppositions on which the parliamentary law is founded is 
that the Speaker will not betray his duty to make an honest count on a 
division.
  On January 21, 1890,\1\ before rules had been adopted and while the 
House was proceeding under general parliamentary law, a division was 
had on the motion of Mr. Richard P. Bland, of Missouri, to amend the 
Journal, and the Speaker declared that the noes had it and that the 
motion was lost.
  Mr. Bland demanded tellers.
  The Speaker \2\ held that there was no rule requiring or authorizing 
the appointment of tellers and declined to appoint tellers on the said 
motion.\3\
  Mr. Bland having appealed, the appeal was debated at length, and the 
Speaker, in submitting the question to the House, said:

  The Chair desires to state the pending matter to the House.
  The Chair has always been unable to see how it was possible for a 
House which had passed out of existence to bind by rules and 
regulations a House which was to come into existence in the future. The 
recent decisions by the Speaker of the House have been to the effect 
that the rules of the last House (did not become the rules of the 
present House directly.\4\ The Chair is unable to see how they can 
become the rules of the present House indirectly.
  The very fact that they have been made as rules shows clearly the 
necessity for their special enactment. If they became by any 
indirection the rules of the next House it would not become necessary 
to reenact them.
  This House, then, is governed by the general parliamentary law such 
as has been established in the same manner that the common law of 
England was established, by repeated decisions and the general 
acquiescence of the people in a system which governs all ordinary 
assemblies.
  The United States is filled with a people unusually devoted to public 
meetings. These public meetings have to be governed by a system of 
rules or principles which have been both designated and acted upon by 
various meetings in great numbers to such an extent that a well-defined 
parliamentary law has been established.
  The suggestion which has been made during this debate that the matter 
of the control of the House is under the exclusive control of the 
occupant of the chair is at this very moment receiving a negative, 
because an appeal is pending in this case, as has been or might be in 
many others, against the decision of the Chair. All decisions from the 
Chair by appeals, which are made under proper circumstances and in good 
faith, are subject to revision by the majority of the House. 
Consequently there is not and can not be any arbitrary control of this 
body against its will. The Speaker, for the time being and as a matter 
of convenience arising from the nature of his office, makes a ruling 
upon the subject which is before the House. That ruling is always 
subject to revision by the House itself, and no one can take away that 
right on the part of the House.
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  \1\ First session Fifty-first Congress, Journal, p. 144; Record, pp. 
741-749.
  \2\ Thomas B. Reed, of Maine, Speaker.
  \3\ For rule of the House relating to tellers see section 5985 of 
this chapter.
  \4\ At the beginning of the Government it was assumed that the rules 
ceased to be effective when the House ceased; and in the Second 
Congress the House by resolution adopted the rules of the House in the 
First Congress. (First session Second Congress, Journal, p. 439; 
Annals, p. 143.) See also debate of May 15, 1797 (first session Fifth 
Congress, Annals, p. 51), where the view was taken that the rules of a 
former House were not binding on its successor. (See also secs. 6743-
6755 of this volume.)
                                                            Sec. 6003
  The present occupant of the chair has frequently ordered tellers 
since the beginning of this session of Congress on demand of the 
Members of the House and is not in any way unwilling to do so; but the 
question has come up now as a matter of right, and whatever the wishes 
of the present occupant of the chair may be, he is obliged to decide in 
accordance with what he regards as the unmistakable parliamentary law.
  It has been stated that tellers are usual in the British Parliament. 
That is true. It is one of their customs. But the taking of a vote by 
tellers there is different from the taking of a vote by tellers here. 
It requires those who occupy a certain attitude toward the question to 
go out into the lobby and to be counted, while the others are counted 
in another place, a proceeding entirely unlike that adopted in this 
country. It is a method of division.
  Some fears have been expressed as to what would be the result if the 
occupant of the chair desired to wrest from the Members their control. 
All parliamentary law must be based upon the supposition that a man who 
it elected to preside over the deliberations of a body will be an 
honest official--honestly perform his duty.
  It has been suggested here also that the Speaker might, on a question 
of yeas and nays, miscount, and that if tellers can be ordered, as 
under the rules of the last House, that miscount might be corrected; 
but it is necessary in order to have tellers to have one-fifth of a 
quorum, and under the rules of the last House the Speaker himself 
counts that one-fifth. Ultimately, the House will perceive, the Speaker 
is the counting officer, and the supposition that he would betray his 
duties is not a supposition upon which parliamentary law is founded, or 
the rules of the last House. Finding parliamentary law to be what I 
conceived it to be, that a division may be had whereby the Speaker may 
count, first, by sound of voice, and, second, by Members rising in 
their places, and that the division as recorded may be corrected under 
the constitutional rights for the yeas and nays, I have been compelled 
to make the decision that I have made; and the question is, Shall the 
judgment of the Chair stand as the judgment of the House?

  On motion of Mr. Joseph G. Cannon, of Illinois, the appeal was laid 
on the table by a vote of 149 yeas to 137 nays, and so the decision of 
the Chair was sustained.
  6003. The rule provides that on an election by ballot a majority 
shall be required to elect, and, if necessary, ballots shall be 
repeated until a majority be obtained.
  In balloting in early years of the House there was uncertainty as to 
treatment of blanks, but later a rule established the principle that 
they should not be considered as votes.
  Present form and history of Rule XL.
  Rule XL provides:

  In all other cases of ballot \1\ than for committees a majority of 
the votes given shall be necessary to an election, and where there 
shall not be such a majority on the first ballot \2\ the ballots shall 
be repeated until a majority be obtained; and in all balloting blanks 
shall be rejected and not taken into the count in enumeration of votes 
or reported by the tellers.
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  \1\ July 20, 1629, the newly arrived emigrants at Salem, Mass., chose 
their pastor and teacher, ``the vote being taken by each one's writing 
in a note the name of his choice. Such is the origin of the use of the 
ballot on this continent.'' History of United States, Bancroft, Vol. I, 
pp. 271, 272.
  \2\ Where each ballot cast contains several names some curious 
results may be produced.
  Thus, in choosing a committee of three, twenty ballots (each 
evidently containing the names of three candidates) produced for the 
five candidates, A, B, C, D, and E, the following result:

                   A............................   16
                   B............................   15
                   C............................   12
                   D............................   11
                   E............................    6
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Sec. 6003
  This is the exact form reported in the revision of 1880.\1\ It was 
formerly Rule No. 12, and dated from April 7, 1789, and September 15, 
1837.
  The portion adopted in 1789 \2\ was as follows:

  In all other cases of ballot than for committees, a majority of the 
votes given shall be necessary to an election; and where there shall 
not be such a majority on the first ballot, the ballots shall be 
repeated until a majority be obtained.

  The rule immediately preceding this provided that all committees 
consisting of more than three members should be chosen by ballot, and 
provided for the con
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  (Footnote--Continued.)
  Thus four, instead of three, had the required majority, eleven being 
a majority of twenty. This paradox is not only possible, but is capable 
of taking forms still more troublesome.
  Thus there might have been either of the following results:

                A.........................   20   16   12
                B.........................   17   11   12
                C.........................   11   11   12
                D.........................   11   11   12
                E.........................    1   11   12
                                           ---------------
                                             60   60   60


  And had the twenty persons (each voting for three) divided their 
votes among six persons instead of five the result might have been as 
follows:

                  A..........................   11   16
                  B..........................   11   14
                  C..........................   11   14
                  D..........................   11   14
                  E..........................   11    1
                  F..........................    5    1
                                              ----------
                                                60   60


  Thus in each case more than three have the majority number, eleven.
  It will be noticed also that if the number voted for be reduced to 
four the possibilities of the complication greatly increase:

                  A..........................   15   20
                  B..........................   15   18
                  C..........................   15   11
                  D..........................   15   11
                                              ----------
                                                60   60


  If the votes are so divided that each of the number of persons to be 
chosen has of votes as many as or more than a majority of the ballots 
(not votes) cast, and no one else has a number of votes as large as 
that majority of the ballots, the result may be said to be determined 
satisfactorily.
  Thus either of the following results would be satisfactory for the 
election of a committee of three by a club of twenty where six persons 
were voled for:

                  A..........................   11   13
                  B..........................   11   12
                  C..........................   11   11
                  D..........................    9   10
                  E..........................    9    9
                  F..........................    9    5
                                              ----------
                                                60   60


  \1\ Second session Forty-sixth Congress, Record, p. 207.
  \2\ First session First Congress, Journal, p. 10.
                                                            Sec. 6003
tingency of several ballots and plurality elections in case the members 
required should not each receive a majority.
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  (Footnote--Continued.)
  When, under conditions otherwise the same, the number voted for 
should be five the results as follows would be satisfactory:

                A.........................   14   15   18
                B.........................   13   14   12
                C.........................   13   13   11
                D.........................   10    9   10
                E.........................   10    9    9
                                           ---------------
                                             60   60   60


  Where, under conditions otherwise the same, four persons are voted 
for the following results would be satisfactory:

              A.......................   20   17   17   20
              B.......................   19   17   17   19
              C.......................   11   17   16   11
              D.......................   10    9   10   10
                                       --------------------
                                         60   60   60   60


  If, now, under the same conditions, the votes are divided among eight 
persons instead of four these results would be satisfactory:


                A.........................   11   13   20
                B.........................   11   12   19
                C.........................   11   11   11
                D.........................    7   10    6
                E.........................    5    9    1
                F.........................    5    2    1
                G.........................    5    2    1
                H.........................    5    1    1
                                           ---------------
                                             60   60   60


  It is evident that the liability to produce majorities for more than 
the required number increases as the number of persons voted for 
diminishes, and vice versa.
  It seems impossible to evolve any formula that will enable a ballot 
to be tested on strict mathematical principles.
  The experiences of various bodies have, however, evolved satisfactory 
solutions. The United States House of Representatives once had a rule 
governing balloting for committees. That rule, adopted first on April 
7, 1789 (Journal of House, first session First Congress, p. 10), and 
continued until the revision of 1880, when it was apparently dropped 
because the House had ceased to elect committees (Journal, first 
session Forty-sixth Congress, p. 624), provided for certain 
contingencies:
  ``If upon such ballot the number required shall not be elected by a 
majority of the votes given, the House shall proceed to a second 
ballot, in which a plurality of votes shall prevail; and in case a 
greater number than are required to compose or complete the committee 
shall have an equal number of votes, the House shall proceed to a 
further ballot or ballots.''
  Under this rule those who had a majority on the first ballot were 
considered elected, and the second ballot was taken for selection of 
the remaining members. But this rule might not have been satisfactory 
under certain conditions.
  It is a wrong principle under these circumstances to have a ballot 
vote hampered by an unqualified majority requirement. The rule provided 
in the statutes of Maine and Massachusetts, and established in the 
latter State as early as 1836, seems on the whole the best:
  ``And if a number greater than is required to be chosen receive a 
majority of said whole number, the number so required of those who have 
the greatest excess in votes over such majority shall be declared 
elected.''
Sec. 6003
  Later the rule was changed to provide that all committees should be 
appointed by the Speaker;\1\ but the phraseology of the rule relating 
to the ballot has remained in its first form.
  A question was arising frequently for which the rule in this form 
gave no answer. On December 10, 1821,\2\ at the election of Chaplain of 
the House, the tellers reported a blank ballot. It did not, however, 
affect the result. On February 10, 1829,\3\ in the election of printer 
of the House, 2 blanks were counted in determining the total vote and 
the number needed for a choice, but they did not affect the result, and 
no question seems to have been raised.
  On February 14 and 15, 1833,\4\ 14 ballots were taken for the 
election of a printer to the House, and on every one of these 
ballotings but 2 blanks were cast and reported by the tellers. On the 
eighth ballot 4 blanks were thrown, and the number of votes required 
for a choice was 99. F. P. Blair had 98. If the 4 blanks had been 
rejected the number required for a choice would have been 97, and Mr. 
Blair would have been elected. On the fourteenth ballot Gales & Seaton 
were elected. No question seems to have been made as to counting the 
blanks.
  Again, on December 3, 1833,\5\ on the second ballot for Clerk the 
result was Clarke 112, Franklin 114, blanks 2. It being considered that 
no one had a majority, a third ballot was had.
  On June 2, 1834,\6\ at the election of Speaker to succeed Mr. Speaker 
Stevenson, who had resigned, 6 blanks were cast on the ninth ballot. 
Counting these blanks the total votes was 211, and 106 was necessary to 
a choice. John Bell, of Tennessee, had 104, and under the system of 
counting blanks as votes, was not elected. So the House proceeded to 
another ballot. Not counting the 6 blanks the total vote would have 
been 205, necessary to choice 103, and Mr. Bell would have been elected 
on the ninth ballot.
  In the Senate, also, on June 28, 1834,\7\ in electing a President pro 
tempore, on the first ballot 2 blanks were counted, making the total 
vote 42, necessary to a choice 22. Mr. Poindexter having 21, was not 
elected, although 21 would have been just enough to elect had the 
blanks been rejected. No question was raised.
  These precedents do not, however, represent a fixed practice that 
blanks should be counted, as was shown in no less an instance than the 
balloting for a President of the United States in the House of 
Representatives.\8\
  Probably because of the uncertainties in the practice, on September 
15, 1837,\9\ Mr. Levi Lincoln, of Massachusetts, suggested this 
addition to the rule, which was adopted:

  And in all balloting blanks shall be rejected and not taken into the 
count in enumeration of votes or reported by the tellers.
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  \1\ See section 4448 of Vol. IV of this work.
  \2\ First session Seventeenth Congress, Annals, p. 533.
  \3\ Second session Twentieth Congress, Journal, p. 271.
  \4\ Second session Twenty-second Congress, Debates, pp. 1725, 1726.
  \5\ First session Twenty-third Congress, Debates, p. 2137.
  \6\ First session Twenty-third Congress, Debates, p. 4372.
  \7\ First session Twenty-third Congress, Debates, p. 2122.
  \8\ See section 6008 of this chapter.
  \9\ First session Twenty-fifth Congress, Journal, p. 64; Globe, p. 
35.
                                                            Sec. 6004
  The ballot has long been unused in the House.\1\ Officers are elected 
viva voce, and the committees are appointed by the Speaker.
  6004. The rule in relation to election by ballot does not require 
that method of voting.
  It being proposed to elect an officer of the House, an amendment 
prescribing viva voce election is in order.
  On December 3, 1838 \2\ the House was considering a motion to proceed 
to the election of a Clerk, and Mr. George C. Dromgoole, of Virginia, 
had moved an amendment ``that the election be made viva voce.''
  Objection was made, especially by Mr. John Quincy Adams, of 
Massachusetts, that such a motion would conflict with the rule of the 
House requiring election by ballot.
  The Speaker \3\ said that there was no such rule, the only one having 
reference to that point merely providing what should be done in case of 
election by ballot.
  The Speaker also held that such a motion was in order in connection 
with the motion to proceed to the election of Clerk.
  6005. On December 10, 1838,\4\ Mr. George C. Dromgoole, of Virginia, 
proposed the following rule:

  In all cases of election by the House the vote shall be taken viva 
voce.

  Mr. Dromgoole urged the rule as necessary to carry out the great 
Democratic doctrine of accountability. Viva voce voting prevailed at 
the elections in his State. The rule was opposed on the ground that it 
was inconvenient, an innovation on the practice of fifty years in the 
House, and destructive of independent voting.
  The rule was agreed to, yeas 124, nays 84.
  After the adoption of the rule, Mr. John Quincy Adams, of 
Massachusetts, raised the question that the rule was unconstitutional, 
since the Constitution provided that elections by the House should be 
by ballot.\5\
  The rule was thereupon amended by inserting after the word ``House'' 
the words ``of its officers.''
  6006. It being ordered that a majority of the ballots cast shall 
elect, it is not in order at the conclusion of a ballot to move that 
the person having a plurality only shall be declared elected.--On March 
1, 1827,\6\ the Senate having agreed to a resolution that on a ballot 
for public printer a majority of those voting should be required to 
elect the ballot was taken, and of a total of 47 votes, Duff Green had 
22.
  Mr. John Henry Eaton, of Tennessee, offered a resolution that, as 
Duff Green had a plurality of votes, he was duly elected printer.
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  \1\ See, however, the chapter on ``Impeachments,'' of which the 
managers have in many cases been elected by ballot. As late as 1868 the 
managers of the impeachment of the President were chosen by ballot. 
(See section 24117 of Vol. III.)
  \2\ Third session Twenty-fifth Congress, Journal, p. 8; Globe, pp. 1, 
2.
  \3\ Ames K. Polk, of Tennessee, Speaker.
  \4\ Third session Twenty-fifth Congress, Journal, p. 49; Globe, pp. 
19, 20.
  \5\ The reference is to Article XII of the Constitution, which 
requires that the House shall vote for a President of the United States 
by ballot.
  \6\ Second session Nineteenth Congress, Debates, p. 499. John C. 
Calhoun, Vice-President.
Sec. 6007
  The Chair decided that the resolution was not in order, and another 
ballot was then taken.
  6007. After the tellers have begun to count the ballots it is too 
late for a Member to offer his vote.--On December 5, 1831,\1\ the 
House, having been called to order by the Clerk, and the presence of a 
quorum having been ascertained and announced, proceeded without further 
motion to the election of a Speaker by ballot.
  After the tellers had commenced counting the votes, Mr. Eleutheros 
Cooke, of Ohio, who had been out of the Hall when the ballot boxes were 
passed around, offered his ballot to the tellers.
  The tellers hesitated as to receiving it, a question of the 
regularity of such proceeding being raised, and Mr. Cooke refrained 
from pressing his claim to vote.
  The count being completed, the tellers announced that 195 votes had 
been cast, and that 98 votes were necessary to a choice. Mr. Andrew 
Stevenson, of Virginia, having just 98 votes, was therefore elected.
  6008. Early precedents as to blank ballots in the elections of a 
Speaker and a President of the United States.--On May 22, 1809,\2\ a 
quorum being present, the House proceeded by ballot to the choice of a 
Speaker.
  Tellers having been appointed, and the ballot \3\ having been taken, 
one of the tellers reported the following result:
  For Joseph B. Varnum, 60; Nathaniel Macon, 36; Timothy Pitkin, jr., 
20; Roger Nelson, 1; C. W. Goldsborough, 1; blank ballots, 2.
  Mr. Varnum. having 60 votes, it was submitted to the decision of the 
House by the tellers whether the blank ballots should be considered as 
votes; if not, there being but 118 votes, Mr. Varnum, having 60, had a 
majority.
  Discussion arising, Mr. Macon, of North Carolina, who was second in 
the ballot, expressed the opinion that blank ballots could not be 
counted, and hoped that Mr. Varnum would be conducted to the Chair. He 
recalled the blank ballots cast in the Presidential election of 1801 as 
a precedent.\4\
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  \1\ First session Twenty-second Congress, Debates, p. 1420. The 
Journal (p. 7) merely announces that the House proceeded to ballot and 
that upon the examination of the first ballot it appeared, etc.
  \2\ First session Eleventh Congress, Journal, p. 5 (Gales & Seaton, 
ed.); Annals, pp. 54-56.
  \3\ Speakers are no longer elected by ballot.
  \4\ The facts as to those blanks were as follows (Journal, second 
session Sixth Congress, pp. 801, 803, Gales & Seaton ed.): On the 
eighth ballot there were eight States for Jefferson, six for Burr, and 
two divided, i. e., the ballot in the State delegation showed a tie, 
and so the vote was reported ``divided'' under the rule. The same 
result continued until the thirty-sixth ballot, where they were ten 
States for Jefferson, four for Burr, and the votes of two States 
``given in blank.''
  From a footnote in the Annals (p. 1033) it appears that the States 
voting in blank were Delaware and South Carolina. Delaware had one 
Member. The States reported divided in the earlier ballots were Vermont 
and Maryland. In the final ballot these went to Jefferson. Maryland did 
it in this wise: She had formerly thrown four votes for Jefferson and 
four for Burr, but in the final ballot the four supporters of Burr 
threw four blanks. This made the vote four for Jefferson and four 
blank. Query.--If a blank is a ballot should not Maryland have 
continued to be reported divided? The rule under which the election was 
held provided: ``In case the vote of the State be for one person, then 
the name of that person shall be written on each of the duplicates; and 
in case the ballots of the State be equally divided, then the word 
`divided' shall be written on each duplicate.''
                                                            Sec. 6009
  Mr. John Randolph, of Virginia, opposed this view strenuously. He 
said the House had not elected their Speaker. A Member should not 
consent to take the Chair on the vote of a minority. He hoped the House 
would elect their Speaker ``more majorum, after the manner of their 
ancestors.''
  Mr. Randolph then moved that they proceed to ballot a second time for 
Speaker, which motion was carried, 67 ayes, to 43 noes. On the next 
ballot Mr. Varnum had a majority of votes, 65 out of a total of 119. On 
the next day the entry in the Journal simply stated that a majority of 
the votes were for Mr. Varnum. Thereupon Mr. Randolph moved to amend 
the Journal so as to show the facts in regard to the two ballots. After 
a discussion \1\ of the decision of the previous day and its analogy to 
the precedent of 1801, Mr. Randolph's motion was agreed to.
  In the amended form the Journal states: ``Sixty-five votes, being a 
majority of the whole number of members present, were found in favor of 
Joseph B. Varnum.'' The Journal nowhere states, however, that all 
present voted. The can of the roll by States records 126 responding on 
the call by States, just preceding the election of Speaker. Although 
only 119 voted on the second ballot, the 65 for Mr. Varnum were a 
majority of all present as well as of all voting.
  6009. On August 21, 1852,\2\ a select committee of the Senate 
reported on the contested case of Yulee v. Mallory, from Florida, where 
the joint convention of the legislature had voted under the concurrent 
order:

  Resolved, That a majority of all the members-elect, composing the two 
houses of general assembly shall be necessary to determine all 
elections devolving upon that body.

  At the voting the following occurred:

  The president of the senate presided, and upon a call of the roll, a 
poll viva voce was taken of the members, pursuant to the requirements 
of the constitution of the State, and twenty-nine responded David L. 
Yulee, and twenty-nine blank, whereupon the presiding officer declared 
that no choice had been made; they then proceeded to a second and third 
vote, with substantially the same result. On the 15th of January they 
again met in convention for the same purpose, and upon a call of the 
roll thirty-one members responded R. S. Mallory, and twenty-seven votes 
for Mr. Yulee and others; whereupon the president declared Mr. Mallory 
to be duly elected.

  The committee found that the legislature had proceeded in accordance 
with a valid order, and that Mr. Mallory was elected. The Senate 
concurred in the report.
  6010. On a ballot to elect managers for an impeachment, ballots on 
which the names were doubtful were not counted.--On January 2, 1804 \3\ 
the House was balloting for 11 managers of the impeachment of Judge 
Pickering, when several votes given for Messrs. Randolph, Mitchell, 
Campbell, and Clay were not counted owings to there being other 
gentlemen of similar names in the House. Messrs. J. Randolph, S. L. 
Mitchell, G. W. Campbell, and J. Clay were leading candidates, all of 
whom were elected. It does not appear that nominations were made 
preceding the balloting.
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  \1\ The Annals (pp. 57, 58) do not give this discussion.
  \2\ First session Thirty-second Congress, 1 Bartlett, p. 611.
  \3\ First session Eighth Congress, Annals, p. 796.