[Hinds' Precedents, Volume 1]
[Chapter 3 - The Presiding Officer at Organization]
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                 THE PRESIDING OFFICER AT ORGANIZATION.

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   1. Clerk calls House to order and presides. Sections 64, 65.\1\
   2. Election of a chairman in place of Clerk. Sections 66, 67.
   3. Early practice of Clerks to decide questions of order. 
     Sections 68-72.
   4. Later practice as to authority of Clerk. Sections 73-80.\2\

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  64. A rule--which, however, is not operative at the time the House is 
organized--provides that the Clerk shall call the new House to order 
and preside until the election of a Speaker.
  At the organization of the House the Clerk calls the roll of Members 
by States in alphabetical order.
  Pending the election of a Speaker or a Speaker pro tempore the Clerk 
preserves order and decorum and decides questions of order, subject to 
appeal.
  Present form and history of section I of Rule III.
  Section 1 of Rule III provides:

  The Clerk shall, at the commencement of the first session of each 
Congress, call the Members to order, proceed to call the roll of 
Members by States in alphabetical order, and, pending the election of a 
Speaker or a Speaker pro tempore, call the House to order, preserve 
order and decorum, and decide all questions of order subject to appeal 
by any Member.

  This rule was adopted on January 27, 1880,\3\ in Committee of the 
Whole, while the revised code was under consideration. The committee 
had at first recommended a section providing only that the Clerk 
should, pending the election of a Speaker, preserve order and decorum 
and decide all questions of order subject to appeal to the House, 
taking, in fact the latter half of the old rule, 146, which dated from 
March 19, 1860,\4\ and provided:

   * * * and pending the election of Speaker, the Clerk shall preserve 
order and decorum, and he shall decide all questions of order that may 
arise, subject to an appeal to the House.
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  \1\ Thanked by the House for presiding. Section 222.
  \2\ Decisions as to motions to correct the roll and appeals. (See 
sec. 22 of this volume.) Declines to open a communication addressed to 
the Speaker. Section 47.
  \3\ Second session Forty-sixth Congress, Record, p. 555.
  \4\ First session Thirty-sixth Congress, pp. 1211, 1237.
Sec. 65
  As the rules are not adopted until after the Speaker is chosen, this 
rule is evidently of persuasive effect only at the time of 
organization.
  65. In 1820 there arose a question as to the right of the Clerk, 
presiding during organization, to rule a motion out of order.--On 
November 15, 1820,\1\ after twenty-one ineffectual ballotings for 
Speaker, under the rule which provided that ``a majority of the votes 
given shall be necessary to an election; and, when there shall not be 
such a majority on the first ballot, the ballot shall be repeated until 
a majority be obtained,'' Mr. Peter Little, of Maryland, moved a 
resolution that the lowest on each ballot should be dropped at the 
succeeding ballot, and that any votes given for such lowest person 
should not be taken into account.
  The Clerk of the House \2\ declared that, under the rules of the 
House which prescribed the mode of election by ballot, he could not 
receive this motion.
  Mr. John Randolph, of Virginia, protested against what he pronounced 
an assumption of power on the part of the Clerk, and asserted the right 
of any Member to propound any question to the House through the Clerk, 
or from himself if he thought proper. Mr. Little asserted his right to 
make the motion, but waived the right to save time.
  66. In 1837 a proposition was made that the Members-elect choose one 
of their number to preside during organization; but it was laid on the 
table and the Clerk of the last House continued to act.--On September 
4, 1837,\3\ at the organization of the House, the Clerk of the last 
House was calling the roll of Members-elect by States, when, in the 
State of Massachusetts, the name of Mr. Caleb Cushing was called. Mr. 
Cushing arose in his place and said that before responding he wished to 
say a few words in explanation. He saw before him many Members who were 
said to be elected, but there was no authentic knowledge on the 
subject. They were not, in his opinion, Members of the House until a 
Speaker had been elected and they had qualified. He was aware that it 
had been the usage of the House that the Clerk should prepare a roll as 
he had done, should call the Members individually, and should also 
officiate at the organization of the House. The standing rule of the 
House provided that he should be Clerk until a successor should be 
appointed. But the arrangement which should be adopted would be for the 
gentlemen present to be organized under the presidency of one of their 
own number.
  The roll call having been completed and a question as to the election 
of two Members from Mississippi having been raised, Mr. R. Barnwell 
Rhett, of South Carolina, submitted this motion:

  That Lewis Williams, of North Carolina, being the oldest Member of 
the House of Representatives, be appointed chairman of this House, to 
serve until the House be organized by the election of a Speaker.

  Mr. Williams opposed this motion, and urged that the Clerk be allowed 
to preside over the organization as he had from the beginning of the 
Government. To this Mr. Henry A. Wise, of Virginia, replied that there 
was no Clerk of this House, and that the rule of the last House 
continuing the Clerk until his successor should be elected had no force 
in this House.
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  \1\ Second session Sixteenth Congress, Annals, pp. 437, 438.
  \2\ Thomas Dougherty, of Kentucky, Clerk.
  \3\ First session Twenty-fifth Congress, Journal, p. 4; Globe, pp. 1-
3.
                                                              Sec. 67
  On motion of Mr. Isaac Toucey, of Connecticut, the motion of Mr. 
Rhett was laid on the table without a division.
  67. The Clerk of the last House having declined to put any motions 
except the motion to adjourn during organization of the new House, the 
Members-elect chose one of their number chairman.
  The Clerk presiding during organization declined to put a question, 
whereupon a Member-elect put the question from the floor.
  A clerk, presiding at the organization, having proposed to read a 
paper explaining his reasons for certain acts, the Members-elect 
declined to permit him to do so.
  Discussion of the functions of the Clerk of the former House 
presiding at the organization of a new House.
  On December 2, 1839,\1\ the day fixed by the Constitution for the 
meeting of Congress, at 12 o'clock meridian, Hugh A. Garland, Clerk to 
the late House of Representatives, called the Members to order; and 
suggested that, if not objected to, he would proceed to call over a 
list of Members of the Twenty-sixth Congress for the purpose of 
ascertaining who were present and whether a quorum was in attendance.
  No objection being made, the Clerk commenced the call of the roll by 
States, beginning with the State of Maine; and, having called as far as 
the State of New Jersey, and having called the name of Joseph F. 
Randolph from that State, he rose and stated that five seats from New 
Jersey were contested; that it was not for him to undertake to decide 
who were entitled to them; and that, if it was the pleasure of the 
House, he would pass by the further call from New Jersey, and complete 
the call of the roll, when he would submit the documents and evidence 
in his possession to the House, who alone were capable of deciding upon 
them.
  This course was objected to by Mr. William Cost Johnson, of Maryland.
  The reading of the credentials of John B. Aycrigg, William Halstead, 
John P. B. Maxwell, Charles C. Stratton, and Thomas Jones Yorke, was 
then called for; and being read, Mr. Charles F. Mercer, of Virginia, 
asked that the law of New Jersey relative to elections of Members of 
the House of Representatives of the United States be read; when Mr. 
Cave Johnson, of Tennessee, asked that the credentials of Philemon 
Dickerson, William R. Cooper, Joseph Kille, Daniel B. Ryall, and Peter 
D. Vroom, claiming to be Members of the House of Representatives of the 
United States from the State of New Jersey in place of John B. Aycrigg 
and his associates, be also read.
  Before either the law or credentials were read, debate arose. It was 
urged that as Messrs. Aycrigg and his associates held credentials from 
the governor of New Jersey, under the broad seal of the State, and 
precisely similar to the credentials by virtue of which Mr. Randolph of 
that State had already been called, they had a prima facie right to be 
called and participate in the organization of the House. There was 
objection to this, and a proposition that the subject of the New Jersey 
contest be laid aside until the roll of the residue of the Members 
should have been called.
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  \1\ First session Twenty-sixth Congress, Journal, pp. 1-6; Globe, pp. 
1-20.
Sec. 67
  The Clerk, in the course of the day's proceedings, declared that, 
under the present imperfect state of the organization of the House--no 
quorum having answered to their names, and there being no rules in 
existence for the government of the body--he did not feel authorized, 
under these circumstances, to put any question to the House except by 
general consent.
  A motion being made to adjourn, the Clerk decided that he could not 
submit that motion to the House, and so the House, by general consent, 
adjourned until the next day, without a question put to that effect. On 
the succeeding day, also, the House adjourned without motion put by the 
Clerk; but on December 4, after a motion to adjourn had been made, the 
Clerk stated that, on the two preceding days, he had not adverted to 
that clause of the Constitution of the United States which provides 
that less than a quorum may adjourn from day to day. Having now 
adverted to that clause, he had changed the opinion heretofore given, 
that he could not, in the present state of the organization of the 
House, put the question on an adjournment; that he would now put a 
question on a motion to adjourn, but on no other motion.
  On December 3 the Clerk stated that he had reduced his reasons for 
the course he had taken to writing, and asked permission of the House 
to read them. This was refused.
  In the discussion which arose as to the functions of the Clerk, Mr. 
Henry A. Wise, of Virginia, speaking of the present Clerk, said it was 
true that he was not technically an officer of the House. But by the 
law of usage and necessity he was always permitted to hold the office 
which he now held. He was the quondam Clerk of the last Congress, and 
presented himself here, firstly to render to his successor the records 
of the office; and, secondly, he was here by the law of usage. The 
ordinance of 1785 imposed upon the Clerk (Secretary) of the preceding 
Congress the duty of keeping a roll of Members of Congress, and of 
calling over that roll at their meeting. There was also a resolution of 
1791 relating to this duty of the Clerk. Thus the Clerk was bound by 
the law of usage.
  Mr. John White, of Kentucky, contended that the ordinance of 1785 and 
the resolution of 1791 were of no more binding effect than the rules of 
the last House.
  Mr. Daniel B. Barnard, of New York, contended that the Clerk was not 
only the Clerk of the last House of Representatives, but also the Clerk 
of this House. And he would so continue until his successor should be 
appointed. It was a cardinal principle of the common law that the 
public interests should never be permitted to suffer for want of an 
incumbent to fill important offices, and by the common as well as by 
the parliamentary law the functionary holds over until his successor is 
appointed. It was in analogy to the common law that the parliamentary 
rule was adopted that the clerk of the House of Commons should hold 
over until his successor should be appointed. This was the settled 
parliamentary rule in this country as well as in England. The Clerk, in 
assuming his seat and calling the House to order, was doing nothing 
more than he was fully warranted in doing. More than that, he 
undoubtedly had the authority to put questions--any question which the 
House in its partially disorganized condition might entertain.
  The Clerk still persisted in declining to put any question except the 
motion to adjourn. Various propositions were submitted: To call the 
uncontested names,
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and, a quorum of such having been ascertained, to let them decide the 
contested cases before proceeding to the election of a Speaker; to 
choose a temporary Speaker and a committee of elections, for the 
consideration of the contests, and after the settlement to choose a 
permanent Speaker; to proceed and call the New Jersey claimants having 
the certificates from the governor; to allow those to whose election 
there was no objection to pass upon the right of challenged gentlemen 
to participate in the organization.
  The Clerk putting the question on none of these propositions, Mr. 
John Quincy Adams renewed the proposition to call the names of the 
gentlemen having the certificates from the governor of New Jersey, and 
on this proposed to put the question himself.
  At this point Mr. R. Barnwell Rhett, of South Carolina, asked the 
Clerk if he would put questions to the House. To this the Clerk replied 
that he would put no question except to adjourn; but said that, with 
the consent of the House, he would put questions as chairman of a 
meeting of the gentlemen present, if instructed to do so by the Members 
present, but he would not do so as Clerk of the House of 
Representatives.
  Mr. William Cost Johnson objected to his putting questions as 
chairman.
  Mr. Rhett then moved that Mr. Lewis Williams, of North Carolina, the 
oldest Member of the House, be appointed Chairman of the House, to 
serve until the election of a Speaker. Mr. Williams declining to serve, 
Mr. Rhett read in his place the following resolution:

  Resolved, That the Hon. John Quincy Adams be appointed Chairman of 
this House, to serve until the election of a Speaker.

  Mr. Rhett then put the question on the said resolution to the 
Members, and it passed in the affirmative.
  Mr. Adams was then conducted to the chair by two Members of the 
House, and proceeded to discharge the duties of the position.
  Mr. Charles F. Mercer, of Virginia, then moved that the rules of the 
late House of Representatives, so far as applicable to this body in its 
present state of organization, be the rules for the government of its 
proceedings.
  And the question on this motion being put by the Chairman, it passed 
in the affirmative unanimously.
  68. In the earlier days the Clerk of the last House presiding at the 
organization declined to decide questions of order and referred them to 
the House.--On December 4, 1843,\1\ at the time of the organization of 
the House and after the presence of a quorum had been announced, but 
before the election of a Speaker, Mr. Daniel D. Barnard, of New York, 
arose and proposed to read in his place a paper in the nature of a 
protest of himself and other Members of the House against the 
participation of the Representatives of certain States in the election 
of Speaker.
  Objection was made that it was not in order to read the paper pending 
the election of Speaker.
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  \1\ First session Twenty-eighth Congress, Journal, p. 7; Globe, pp. 
2, 3.
Sec. 69
  The Clerk \1\ begged respectfully to state to the House that, in its 
present state, he should feel it to be his duty to put the question on 
granting leave, to the House, and not, in his humble capacity, 
undertake to decide a question of that magnitude.
  A motion being submitted, the Clerk put the question that Mr. Barnard 
have leave to read the paper, and the motion was decided in the 
negative, 59 ayes and 124 noes.
  69. On December 21, 1849 \2\ before the election of a Speaker, Mr. 
Samuel W. Inge, of Alabama, moved that the resolution adopted on the 
14th instant, prohibiting debate until the election of a Speaker, be 
rescinded.
  Mr. Robert Toombs, of Georgia, having taken the floor, proceeded to 
debate the motion.
  Mr. Joseph M. Root, of Ohio, called Mr. Toombs to order for debating.
  Mr. Toombs declined to surrender the floor, but proceeded in spite of 
the protests of Members.
  The Clerk \3\ requested Mr. Toombs to allow the motion to be put.
  Mr. Toombs declined to yield, and proceeded amidst much confusion, 
declaring that the Clerk could not put the question while he held the 
floor.
  Mr. John Van Dyke, of New Jersey, called Mr. Toombs to order.
  The Clerk (Mr. Toombs continuing to speak) put the question whether 
the gentleman from Georgia, being called to order, should be allowed to 
proceed.
  Mr. Toombs continued to speak, but the Clerk, having put the 
question, declared that the point of order was sustained by the House, 
and that the gentleman from Georgia was decided out of order.
  Mr. Toombs continued to speak, but the Clerk proceeded to put the 
question on the motion of Mr. Inge, and the question being put, the 
yeas and nays were demanded and ordered.
  The Clerk thereupon began to call the roll, and Mr. Toombs continued 
his speech, concluding during the roll call.
  70. In the Thirty-first Congress the House did not choose a Speaker 
until December 22, 1849, nineteen days after the assembling of the 
Congress. The Clerk \3\ of the preceding House presided during this 
time. He did not decide questions of order, but submitted them to the 
House for decision. Thus, on December 5 \4\, a motion was made to lay a 
pending resolution on the table, and the question was asked whether the 
motion to lay on the table was debatable, no rules having been adopted. 
The Clerk referred the question to the House, which decided that the 
motion was not debatable.
  Again, on December 6 \5\, the question arose again, and Mr. William 
Duer, of New York, made the point of order that the motion to lay on 
the table was not debatable. The Clerk said that it was a point for the 
House to decide. The Clerk could not call any gentleman to order.
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  \1\ Matthew St. Clair Clarke, Clerk.
  \2\ First session Thirty-first Congress, Globe, pp. 61, 62.
  \3\ Thomas J. Campbell, Clerk.
  \4\ First session Thirty-first Congress, Journal, p. 34; Globe, pp. 
6, 8, 17.
  \5\ Globe, p. 8.
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  Again on December 11 \1\, a motion for a call of the House was 
pending and a motion to amend it was made. Mr. Jacob Thompson, of 
Mississippi, asked if the motion was in order. The Clerk declared that 
it was for the House and not the Clerk to decide the question of order.
  71. On December 5, 1859,\2\ before the election of a Speaker, Mr. 
John B. Clark, of Missouri, rose and proposed to submit some remarks.
  Mr. Henry C. Burnett, of Kentucky, raised the question of order that 
debate was not in order since no question was before the House.
  The Clerk \3\ said:

  The Clerk having no power to decide the point of order which has been 
raised, will submit it to the House. * * * The Clerk will state that he 
has carefully examined this subject, and can find no authority 
conferred upon him as Clerk of the former House, except to put 
questions, when raised, to the House for its decision. He will not, 
therefore, take upon himself the power to decide this question.

  Mr. Clark having been permitted to proceed, Mr. Israel Washburn, Jr., 
of Maine, made the point of order that the gentleman from Missouri must 
confine himself to the question.
  The Clerk said:

  The Clerk can not undertake to decide whether the gentleman from 
Missouri is confining himself to the question of order or not. If the 
point of order be insisted on, he must submit the question to the 
House.

  72. On December 6. 1859,\4\ before the election of a Speaker, Mr. 
Horace Maynard, of Tennessee, asked of the Clerk whether he would make 
decisions of questions of order, or refer them to the House to be 
settled by majorities.
  The Clerk \3\ said:

  The Clerk, in answer to the inquiry of the gentleman from Tennessee, 
begs leave to read from the Manual, in order that the House may 
understand the power which the Clerk has in deciding questions which 
may arise. This is the only authority the Clerk has been able to find 
upon the subject.
  ``When but one person is proposed and no objection made, it has not 
been usual in Parliament to put any question to the House; but without 
a question the Members proposing to conduct him to the Chair. But if 
there be objection, or another proposed, a question is put by the 
Clerk. As are also questions of adjournment.''
  ``That being all that the Clerk can find, he does not feel authorized 
to decide questions of order as they arise.''

  73. Discussion of the functions and authority of the Clerk of the 
former House presiding at the organization of the new House.--On 
December 8, 1859 \5\ before the election of a Speaker, a question arose 
as to the power of the Clerk of the preceding House, who was presiding, 
to decide questions of order. The Clerk \6\ had repeatedly declined to 
decide such questions, and when the precedent of December 26, 1835, was 
quoted, explained that the Clerk in the Thirty-fourth Congress, while 
suggesting his opinions on points of order, in no instance claimed the 
right to make a final decision.
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  \1\ Globe, p. 17.
  \2\ First session Thirty-sixth Congress, Globe, pp. 2, 3.
  \3\ James C. Allen, Clerk.
  \4\ First session Thirty-sixth Congress, Globe, p. 19.
  \5\ First session Thirty-sixth Congress, Globe, p. 66.
  \6\ James C. Allen, of Illinois, Clerk.
Sec. 74
  Mr. John S. Millson, of Virginia, in the discussion of this question, 
said:

  The Clerk is not the presiding officer of this House in any sense of 
the word. When the Clerk puts a question to the House, it is the House 
putting a question to itself, selecting its own officer as its organ. 
When the Clerk propounds a question to this House, he has no more 
control over the House and exercises no other function than the reading 
clerk when he calls the yeas and nays. It is the House calling the roll 
through its own appointed agent. No man can preside over the House of 
Representatives who is not a Member of the House of Representatives. It 
is in this respect that we differ from the Senate of the United States, 
over which, by the Constitution, the Vice-President of the United 
States is appointed to preside. The mistake has originated altogether 
from the convenient usage of permitting, by the sufferance of the 
House, the Clerk of the former House to propound questions, for in the 
absence of any other constituted agent there must be some one to 
address the House; but the person so speaking is not a part of the 
House, but simply the mouthpiece of the House. And I submit to 
gentlemen, if they would protect the dignity of this body, that they 
would never consent to regard the Clerk in any other light than as one 
who for convenience sake is permitted to propound questions to the 
House, just as the reading clerk is permitted for convenience sake to 
call the names of Members when the yeas and nays are ordered.

  On the other hand, Mr. Horace Maynard, of Tennessee, voiced the 
opposite opinion:

  It is not Mr. Allen, as I understand, who is temporarily the 
presiding officer of the House; it is the Clerk of the last House, who 
by law is placed for the time being as the presiding officer over this 
unorganized body; who is placed there for the very purpose of giving it 
organization; who is placed there with the power of general 
parliamentary law in his hands to exercise, and who is, to all intents 
and purposes, the presiding officer of the House as long as it remains 
in its present inorganic condition. When that organization shall be 
effected by a selection of a gentleman of our own body as the Speaker 
and presiding officer, the Clerk then becomes for that purpose functus 
officio, but till that time he is, ex vi termini, compelled to be the 
presiding officer of the House; and, like any other presiding officer, 
he must, under the parliamentary law, exercise the power which that law 
confers upon him and clothes him with. One of these powers is to decide 
questions of order as they arise; and unless practically be decides 
these questions-- although he may not formally do it--the wheels of 
business will be blocked, and we could not go forward a single step. He 
is, unconsciously perhaps, deciding questions of order continually. He 
does so in giving the floor to this or the other Member, in asking a 
Member's permission to allow an interruption, and in many other ways 
which I need not instance.

  74. Before the election of a Speaker the Clerk recognizes Members.--
Before the election of a Speaker in 1859 the Clerk, Mr. James C. Allen, 
of Illinois, recognized Members who were to address the House, and when 
complaint was made by a Member, on December 21, explained that he was 
governing the recognitions so as to give an opportunity to all Members 
who applied for time.\1\

  75. In 1855, while the Clerk was presiding at the organization of the 
House, a question of order was decided by him, and the decision 
sustained.--On December 26, 1855.\2\ before the election of a Speaker 
or the adoption of rules, the House was considering a proposition that 
the Hon. James L. Orr, of South Carolina, be invited to preside over 
the House until the election of Speaker, and on this Mr. Lewis D. 
Campbell, of Ohio, had demanded the previous question.
  Pending this, Mr. George W. Jones, of Tennessee, moved that the House 
take a recess until 11 o'clock and 59 minutes to-morrow.
  Mr. Joshua R. Giddings, of Ohio, submitted as a question of order 
that it was not competent to take a recess pending the demand for the 
previous question.
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  \1\ First session Thirty-sixth Congress, Globe, p. 209.
  \2\ First session Thirty-fourth Congress, Journal, p. 181; Globe, p. 
87.
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  The Clerk \1\ decided that the motion to take a recess was in order.
  Mr. Giddings having appealed, the appeal was laid on the table.
  76. In 1863, at the organization of the House, the hold-over Clerk 
disclaimed authority to enforce the rules, but decided points of order 
as authorized by a rule of the last House.--At the organization of the 
House on December 7, 1863,\2\ Clerk Emerson Etheridge held that he had 
no power to preserve order, having no power to enforce the rules. No 
rules had been adopted, but the rules Nos. 146, 147, dated March 19, 
1860, provided that ``these rules shall be the rules of the House of 
Representatives of the present and succeeding Congresses, unless 
otherwise ordered,'' and that ``pending the election of a Speaker, the 
Clerk shall preserve order and decorum, and shall decide all questions 
of order that may arise, subject to appeal to the House.'' \3\
  77. On December 7, 1863,\4\ the Clerk \5\ of the last House presided 
at the organization of the House, and ruled on points of order on two 
several cases. No objection was made, and in the first case no appeal 
was taken. In the second case Mr. Thaddeus Stevens, of Pennsylvania, 
appealed from the decision of the Clerk, but withdrew his proposition 
before a vote on the appeal.
  78. Before the completion of the organization of the House, in 1869, 
the Clerk refused to entertain a motion referring to a committee a 
subject relating to the election of a Member.--On March 4, 1869,\6\ at 
the organization of the House, after the roll of Members-elect had been 
called and the presence of a quorum had been announced, Mr. George W. 
Woodward, of Pennsylvania, offered this resolution as a question of 
privilege:

  Resolved, That the returns of the election from the Twenty-first 
district of Pennsylvania be referred to the committee of elections to 
be appointed, with instructions to report at as early a day as 
practicable which of the claimants to a seat in this House has the 
prima facie right thereto.

  Mr. Glenni W. Scofield, of Pennsylvania, made the point of order that 
the Clerk could not, at the organization, entertain a motion for 
reference to a committee.
  The Clerk \7\ sustained the point of order.\8\
  79. In 1869 the hold-over Clerk, basing his authority on the law of 
1863, declined to entertain a question of order or an appeal pending 
the motion to proceed to election of Speaker.--On March 4, 1869,\9\ at 
the time of the organization of the House, the previous question had 
been ordered on the motion to proceed to the election of a Speaker, 
when Mr. James Brooks, of New
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  \1\ John W. Forney, Clerk.
  \2\ First session Thirty-eighth Congress, Journal, p. 1051; Globe, p. 
5.
  \3\ The House has come definitely to the conclusion that one House 
may not impose its rules on a succeeding House. (See secs. 6743-6745 of 
Vol. V of this work.)
  \4\ First session Thirty-eighth Congress, Globe, pp. 5, 6.
  \5\ The Clerk was Emerson Etheridge.
  \6\ First session Forty-first Congress, Globe, p. 3.
  \7\ Edward McPherson, of Pennsylvania, Clerk.
  \8\ For discussions in House and Senate on the law of 1866 relating 
to the organization of the House, including the designations of the 
officers to act in case of the death, disability, etc., of the Clerk, 
see Globe, second session Thirty-ninth Congress, pp. 66, 67, 379.
  \9\ First session Forty-first Congress, Globe, p. 4.
Sec. 80
York, announced that he rose to a question of order, and proceeded to 
call attention to the alleged fact that the Clerk had omitted, in 
calling the roll of States, to call the names of the Members from 
Georgia and Louisiana.
  The Clerk \1\ said:

  The gentleman is out of order. The question is upon the adoption of 
the resolution that the House now proceed to the election of Speaker.

  Mr. Brooks having proposed to appeal, the Clerk declined to entertain 
the appeal, and when Mr. Brooks persisted, directed him to take his 
seat, saying:

  The Clerk by law is Clerk of the House until his successor is elected 
and qualified * * *. The Clerk will take pleasure in saying to the 
gentleman that he (the Clerk) is governed by the law of the land and 
the rules of the House. * * * The Clerk has no desire whatever to make 
any decision doing violence to the feeling of any gentleman of the 
House. He has no desire to do an act officially calculated to bring the 
body into confusion, but at the same time he is compelled, under the 
obligations which are resting upon him, so to administer the law and 
the rules as to effect, as a prime duty, the organization of the House. 
He regrets very much if any decision which he felt called upon to make 
has been held by any of the gentlemen affected as an invasion of their 
personal rights, for it was not so intended; and the Clerk begs, 
inasmuch as the question has proceeded thus far, that the persons 
indicated as tellers may take their places and the organization be 
effected.

  80. In 1867 the Clerk, acting under the law of 1863, declined to 
entertain any proposition not consistent with the organization of the 
House.
  The Clerk, presiding at the organization, has declined to entertain a 
protest, although it related to the organization.
  On March 4, 1867,\2\ at the organization of the House, the Congress 
having assembled in accordance with the act of January 22, 1867, the 
Clerk had called the roll of Members-elect, and had announced the 
presence of a quorum.
  Mr. James F. Wilson, of Iowa, moved that the House proceed to the 
election of a Speaker viva voce.
  Mr. James Brooks, of New York, being recognized in debate, proceeded 
to present the protest of Members of the minority party of the House 
against proceedings for its organization until certain States should be 
represented. Mr. Brooks asked that this protest be entered on the 
Journal.
  The Clerk \1\ said:

  The Clerk declines to entertain any paper of the character of that 
indicated by the gentleman from New York, or any other matter pending 
the action of the House. The Clerk is now acting under the law; his 
duties are clearly prescribed, and it is impossible for him to 
entertain any motion or any business not consistent with the 
organization of the House.
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  \1\ Edward McPherson, of Pennsylvania, Clerk.
  \2\ First session Fortieth Congress, Globe, pp. 3, 4.