Administration of Joseph R. Biden, Jr., 2022

April 29, 2022

The President. Thank you. Well, look, you know, I want to thank you all for being here and for your updates.

When you'reâthese are some of theâthe Recovery Act was about $900 billion and the President used to alwaysâPresident Obama used to like to always kid with me when he did the State of the Union message. He'd never tell me what he was going to say because I presided over theâthe joint session as Vice President. And when weâit was a big gamble to decide we were going to spend $900 billion trying to get the economy back on its feet.

And the President said, "And by the way, we're going to make sure I'm turning it over to Joe." And he started calling me "Sheriff Joe." Well, the first thing I did was go to Earl Devaney and other Inspectors General and said, "Look, we're going to need a lot of work here."

Because, look, the one thing I've learnedâand you did when you were the mayorâandâis that people expect us to do what we say, and they don't always get what they expect from elected officials.

And, for example, when the CARES Act was passed in the last administration, it was a very meaningful piece of legislation. But the first thing the President did in the timeâI was hollering a lot about itâwas he fired the Inspector General. There was one put in who was just fired. No Inspector General had independent access.

And what the hell happened? They found out an awful lot of people were getting employment checks that didn't deserve unemployment checks. They were making money, and an awful lot of peopleâand the list went on. There was a lot of fraud.

And soâand I should acknowledge thatâEarl Devaney. Earl was a stand-up guy. And I would meet with Earl once a week. I didn'tâI did not tell Earl what to do. But I found out from Earl what was happening, because he had carte blanche to know how every penny was being spent.

And when we came along with the two large pieces of legislation that tried to keep usâget us through the pandemic as well as bringing the economy back on its feet, it was clear to me that we were going to need the kind of oversight, and that's why I called Gene. And I asked Gene to come in and be a Coordinator of this.

And you know, theâan exampleâhis exampleâI think, Earl's example is a reminder that the end result of independent analysis of whether it was waste and fraud in the effort to distribute that money through the $900 billion in the Recovery Act was independent analysis indicated that there were less than two-tenths of 1 percent of waste, fraud, or abuseâless than two-tenths.

It was heralded as one of the most well-run programs in American history, in terms of the size, scope, and did it do what it said it was going to do. And unfortunately, I earned the name from theâfrom the President when he said from the podium that I'mâyou know, that "Sheriff Joe is going to be in charge." I never thought of myself as a sheriff.

But it's not the way to get things done not having really serious oversight. These programs are large. They're consequential.

And you know, in my administration, the watchdogs are back. You're looking at them all here. All of you. And I really mean it. Look.

And it's not just whether or not there is fraud going on or wasteful spending. I think I told Gene when I asked him to come inâwas that I'd get phone callsâI'd get Inspector Generals telling me that the way they were going to spend the money that was in the recovery plan was that they were going to build a frisbee park in such and such a place.

And I said, "No, you're not." I'd callâI'd pick upâas the Vice President, pick up the phone and call the Governor, the mayor, whomever it was. And I'd say, "You're not going to do that." And he'd say: "Well, we can. You can't stop me. Under the law, I'm able to do it."

And I'd say: "No, you're right. I can't. But I'm going to callâcome out to your city and I'm going to call a press conference and say you're wasting money on a frisbee park." Well, son a gun, they didn't build a frisbee park. [*Laughter*]

No, I'm not joking. I really mean it. For example, one of the things that's going to come up, weâI think this infrastructureâbipartisan infrastructure bill is extremely consequential because we've been in a situation where we used to have the number-one infrastructure in the world. We now rank 13 in the world or thereabouts. And we can't be the world leader, absent having the best infrastructure in the world. For real.

And so there'sâfor example, there's a lot of money for bridgesâand particularly bridges that are in disrepair, that need help. Now, if there's a bridge that's really in trouble and it may collapse like the one in Pittsburgh didâand we knew that was going to beâit was in trouble; didn't expect it to collapseâyou know, and yet the money is being spent on a bridge that is not particularly needed, but it works for the Democrat or Republican Governor and mayor because it gets them to an area that they want to make sure their constituents are happy withâthat their supporters are, I want to know that.

I want to know where the money isâtechnically, it can be spent, but it may be the lowest priority in terms of safety for the bridges. And it goes across the board in everything we're doing here. And so, you know, the strong oversight is in how we're going to deliver for the American people on time and on budget and making sure the investments we get to where they're supposed to go.

I'll give another example. There was a Midwestern State that had serious, serious problems with access off their interstate into the city. And they needed help, and it was clear the ramps had to be rebuilt to get into the city. But this particular Governor decided that he wasâhis constituency was a rural constituency. He was going to put two lanes in the western part of the State to do it. So I called and said: "What are you doing that for? You needâyou badly needâ you're having accidents on this"âwell, theyâyou know, he technically could do it, but practically it didn't make a lot of sense. Now, that's not your job as Inspector Generals, but your job as Inspector Generals is not only to remove waste and fraud, butâis the purpose of the law, from your perspective, being followed? Is it being wasted? Is it being wastedânot just the fraud, but is it a waste?

And you know, your work is really essential. And it's all about building trust fromâin the American people that we're going to spend their money well, that we're going to do what we say we're going to do.

And so, you know, your work is essential. And one of the things that we tried to do in both these pieces of legislation that are very largeânot just to becomeânot just the infrastructure bill, but what we're spendingâis we tried to make sure that we demonstrate to the American people that we're spending the money well, that we're doing what we said we were going to do.

And that's why, if you notice, I tried to make sure that the legislation was written in such a way that it would bypass general assemblies and go straight to where it's needed. Because the last thingâI've learned over the years that if you have somethingâyou have x billion, a hundred million dollars going to a State and how its allocated has to beâgone through the State legislature, well, guess what? Everybody is going to get a piece of it. It's not going to go where it's most badly needed.

So what we do, we've had funding go directly to cities, directly to the county, and directly toâbe able to passâand some of it to the State legislature.

So all of this is about the American people being able to look at what we're doing and say: "Hmm, they did that pretty well, I guess. Okay. I get it. They didn't waste it." And so, you know, I think the work you're doing is really important.

And I want to make it clear to the press that's here: Nobody in my administration is telling the Inspector Generals what they have to do. They're totally independent. They make a judgment. If they want to investigate something, do it. If weâperiod. So let's find out what's going wrong and what's going right and what help you need in order to determine if you're not getting the information you need.

And so, because I know there's aâI'll conclude by saying there's a lack ofâfor the last 10 yearsâand we've got to change itâa lack of, sort of, faith in government doing exactly what it says it's going to do.

We're going to do what we say we're going to do, and it's because of all of you. And I'm going to turn it back to you, Mitch. And then we're going to go intoââ

White House Senior Adviser and Infrastructure Act Implementation Coordinator Mitchell J. Landrieu. Yes, sir.

The President. ââmore detail. I guess.

Coordinator Landrieu. Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you, guys. [At this point, several reporters asked questions at once.]

Q. Mr. Presidentââ

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Q. Your reaction to the American killed in Ukraine, sir?

The President. It's very sad. He left a little infant baby behind.

NOTE: The President spoke at 3:34 p.m. in the State Dining Room at the White House. In his remarks, he referred to former Department of the Interior Inspector General Earl E. Devaney, in his former capacity as Chair of the Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board; Coordinator Landrieu, in his former capacity as mayor of New Orleans, LA; Glenn A. Fine, former Principal Deputy Inspector General, Department of Defense, in his former capacity as chairman of the Federal panel Congress created to oversee the management of the $2 trillion coronavirus stimulus package authorized by the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act; White House American Rescue Plan Coordinator Eugene B. Sperling; and Willy Joseph Cancel, a former U.S. marine who was killed while working for a military contracting company operating in Ukraine on April 24. A portion of these remarks could not be verified because the audio was incomplete.

Categories: Addresses and Remarks : Inspectors General, meeting with President to discuss Federal oversight, accountability, and transparency; Interviews With the News Media : Exchanges with reporters :: White House.

Locations: Washington, DC.

Names: Cancel, Willy Joseph; Devaney, Earl E.; Fine, Glenn A.; Landrieu, Mitchell J.; Obama, Barack; Sperling, Eugene B.; Trump, Donald J.

Subjects: Diseases : Coronavirus, domestic prevention efforts; Economy, national : Strengthening efforts; Employment and unemployment : Unemployment insurance; Government organization and employees : Accountability and transparency, strengthening efforts; Government organization and employees : Federal programs, improvement efforts; Infrastructure, national improvement efforts; Russia : Ukraine, airstrikes and invasion; Transportation : Highway system, modernization efforts; Ukraine : Russian airstrikes and invasion; White House Office : Assistants to the President :: Chief of Staff; White House Office : Assistants to the President :: Infrastructure Coordinator.

DCPD Number: DCPD202200327.