[House Report 118-677]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office]


118th Congress }                                          { Report 
                        HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
  2d Session   }                                          { 118-677

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                 VETERANS 2ND AMENDMENT PROTECTION ACT

                                _______
                                

 September 16, 2024.--Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on 
            the State of the Union and ordered to be printed

                                _______
                                

   Mr. Bost, from the Committee on Veterans' Affairs, submitted the 
                               following

                              R E P O R T

                             together with

                             MINORITY VIEWS

                        [To accompany H.R. 705]

      [Including cost estimate of the Congressional Budget Office]

    The Committee on Veterans' Affairs, to whom was referred 
the bill (H.R. 705) to amend title 38, United States Code, to 
prohibit the Secretary of Veterans Affairs from transmitting 
certain information to the Department of Justice for use by the 
national instant criminal background check system, having 
considered the same, reports favorably thereon without 
amendment and recommends that the bill do pass.

                                CONTENTS

                                                                   Page
Amendment........................................................
Purpose and Summary..............................................     2
Background and Need for Legislation..............................     2
Hearings.........................................................     4
Subcommittee Consideration.......................................
Committee Consideration..........................................     4
Committee Votes..................................................     6
Committee Oversight Findings.....................................    20
Statement of General Performance Goals and Objectives............    20
Earmarks and Tax and Tariff Benefits.............................    20
Committee Cost Estimate..........................................    20
Budget Authority and Congressional Budget Office Estimate........    20
Federal Mandates Statement.......................................    21
Advisory Committee Statement.....................................    21
Applicability to Legislative Branch..............................    21
Statement on Duplication of Federal Programs.....................    21
Section-by-Section Analysis of the Legislation...................    21
Changes in Existing Law Made by the Bill, as Reported............    22
Minority Views...................................................    24

                          Purpose and Summary

    H.R. 705, the ``Veterans 2nd Amendment Protection Act,'' 
was introduced by Rep. Mike Bost of Illinois on February 1, 
2023. The bill would prohibit the Secretary of the Department 
of Veterans Affairs (VA) from transmitting information of a 
veteran or a beneficiary of VA benefits to the National Instant 
Criminal Background Check System (NICS) on the basis that VA 
has appointed them a fiduciary to help them manage their VA 
benefits, unless there is an order or finding of a judicial 
authority that such veteran or beneficiary is a danger to 
themselves or others.

                  Background and Need for Legislation


Section 1: Short Title

    This Act may be cited as the ``Veterans 2nd Amendment 
Protection Act.''

Section 2: Prohibition on Secretary of Veterans Affairs Transmittal of 
        Certain Information to the Department of Justice for Use by the 
        National Instant Criminal Background Check System

    The Gun Control Act of 1968 (Pub. L. 90-617) (Gun Control 
Act) makes it illegal for persons ``adjudicated as a mental 
defective'' to ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms 
and ammunition. The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (Pub. 
L. 103-159) (Brady Act), enacted on November 30, 1993, 
established the National Instant Criminal Background Check 
System (NICS), a computer system used to record information 
about individuals not eligible to transfer, receive, or possess 
firearms and ammunition. The Brady Act requires federally 
licensed gun dealers to use NICS to conduct a background check 
on any person attempting to purchase a firearm, and federal 
agencies are required to report to the Department of Justice 
(DOJ), for inclusion in NICS, information of individuals who 
have been ``adjudicated as a mental defective''.\1\
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    \1\NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007 (Pub. L. 110-180); 18 
U.S.C. Sec. 922.
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    VA appoints fiduciaries for beneficiaries of VA benefits, 
including veteran beneficiaries, who are unable to manage their 
VA benefits on their own as a result of a disability. 
Fiduciaries receive payments of VA funds on behalf of those 
beneficiaries and disburse those funds for the beneficiaries' 
care and support. VA will appoint a fiduciary for a person who 
a VA career employee in the Veterans Benefits Administration 
(VBA) determines is ``mentally incompetent.'' VA defines 
``mentally incompetent'' in its regulation 38 C.F.R. 
Sec. 3.353(a) as a person ``who because of injury or disease 
lacks the mental capacity to contract or to manage his or her 
own affairs, including disbursement of funds without 
limitation.''
    Congress did not define the term ``adjudicated as a mental 
defective'' in the Gun Control Act or the Brady Act. The Bureau 
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) promulgated 
a regulation defining the term ``adjudicated as a mental 
defective'' as ``[a] determination by a court, board, 
commission, or other lawful authority that a person, as a 
result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, 
incompetency, condition, or disease: (1) Is a danger to himself 
or to others; or (2) Lacks the mental capacity to contract or 
manage his own affairs.'' 27 C.F.R. Sec. 478.11. VA and ATF 
interpreted the statutory term ``adjudicated as a mental 
defective'' as including persons who satisfy VA's regulatory 
definition of ``mentally incompetent.''\2\
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    \2\ATF, ``Definitions for the Categories of Persons Prohibited from 
Receiving Firearms,'' 62 Federal Register 34,637, 34,637 (June 27, 
1997).
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    As a result, for decades VA has reported to the DOJ for 
inclusion in NICS information of veterans and other VA 
beneficiaries whom a VA bureaucrat has determined to be 
``mentally incompetent'' without a ruling by a judge or 
magistrate. The determination of whether a veteran is 
``mentally incompetent'' is made by a VA bureaucrat based on a 
statement from a medical professional that the veteran is 
unable to handle their VA compensation as a result of a 
disability. The Committee understands that these statements do 
not indicate one way or the other whether the person's 
disability causes them to be a danger to themselves or others. 
In other words, for decades VA bureaucrats have stripped over 
250,000 veterans of their Constitutional right to bear arms 
simply because they need assistance from a fiduciary to handle 
their VA financial compensation benefits.\3\
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    \3\Active Entries in the NICS Indices by State (January 3, 2023), 
https://www.fbi.gov/file-
repository/active-entries-in-the-nics-indices-by-state.pdf/view.
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    Further, before VA sends their name to NICS, a veteran can 
only dispute VA's proposed determination of mental incompetency 
under 38 C.F.R. Sec. Sec. 3.101, 3.353 by proving that they are 
able to handle their finances. A veteran receiving VA 
compensation may or may not wish to receive assistance from a 
VA-appointed fiduciary to help them manage their compensation, 
but that is a separate issue from whether they may wish to 
retain their Constitutional right to bear arms. Only after VA 
has already determined them mentally incompetent to handle 
their VA financial benefits, does a veteran have a separate 
opportunity to petition VA for relief from their name being in 
NICS, but the burden falls on the veteran to prove to a VA 
bureaucrat that they are not a danger to themselves or 
others.\4\ The Committee is concerned that veterans with 
fiduciaries do not have the same Constitutional due process 
rights as civilians whom a judge, in a court of law, might find 
that that civilian is a danger to themselves or others and 
therefore should have their name transmitted for use in NICS.
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    \4\Congressional Research Service, Gun Control, Veterans' Benefits, 
and Mental Incompetency Determinations (July 14, 2023), https://
crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R47626.
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    To address this issue, this section would prohibit VA from 
transmitting information to the DOJ for use by NICS of a person 
solely because VA has determined that a person requires a 
fiduciary to help them manage their VA benefits, without an 
order or finding of a judge, magistrate, or other judicial 
authority, that the person is a danger to themselves or others.
    The Committee believes that this section is critical to 
protect the Constitutional due process rights of veterans. This 
change would also ensure that veterans are not subject to 
different rules and NICS reporting standards compared to 
civilians simply because those veterans require a fiduciary to 
help them manage their VA financial compensation benefits.

                                Hearings

    On July 18, 2023, the Committee on Veterans Affairs held a 
legislative hearing on H.R. 705 and other bills that were 
pending before the committee.
    The following witnesses testified:
          Mr. Ronald S. Burke Jr., Deputy Under Secretary, 
        Policy & Oversight, Veterans Benefits Administration, 
        U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs; Mr. Kevin Friel, 
        Deputy Director, Pension & Fiduciary Service, Veterans 
        Benefits Administration, U.S. Department Veterans 
        Affairs; Mr. David J. Barrans, Chief Counsel, Benefits 
        Law Group, Office of General Counsel, U.S. Department 
        of Veterans Affairs; Dr. Jeffery Swanson, Professor in 
        Psychiatry & Behavioral Sciences, Duke University 
        School of Medicine; Bob ``Shoebob'' Carey, Captain, 
        U.S. Navy (Ret), Chairman and Chief Bottle Washer, 
        National Defense Committee; Mr. Cole T. Lyle, Executive 
        Director, Mission Role Call; Ms. Kristina Keenan, 
        Deputy Director for National Legislative Services, 
        Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States.

                        Committee Consideration

    On May 1, 2024, the Full Committee met in open markup 
session, a quorum being present, and ordered H.R. 705 be 
reported favorably to the House of Representatives by a 
recorded vote of 13-10. During consideration of the bill, the 
following amendments were considered:
          An amendment to H.R. 705 was offered by Rep. 
        Cherfilus-McCormick to create an exception under H.R. 
        705 for a beneficiary who has been diagnosed with 
        schizophrenia, traumatic brain injury, post-traumatic 
        stress disorder, bipolar disorder, or dementia. The 
        amendment was not agreed to by a recorded vote of 8 
        yeas and 11 nays.
          An amendment to H.R. 705 was offered by Rep. McGarvey 
        to require the U.S. Court of Appeals for Veterans 
        Claims (Court) be the judicial body that would issue an 
        order or finding that a person is a danger to 
        themselves or others and that would establish expedited 
        procedures for making such orders or findings. The 
        amendment was not agreed to by a recorded vote of 10 
        yeas and 11 nays.
          An amendment to H.R. 705 was offered by Rep. Crane to 
        require VA to notify the U.S. Attorney General pursuant 
        to 34 U.S.C. Sec. 40901(e)(1)(D) that the basis of any 
        transmittal of information of a veteran with a 
        fiduciary to NICS was incorrect and never applied. The 
        amendment was not agreed to by a recorded vote of 9 
        yeas and 13 nays.
          Another amendment to H.R. 705 was offered by Rep. 
        Crane to prohibit a VA officer or employee from 
        initiating, utilizing, or participating in any 
        procedures relating to a state gun confiscation law. 
        The amendment was not agreed to by a recorded vote of 
        10 yeas and 12 nays.
          An amendment to H.R. 705 was offered by Rep. Ramirez 
        to require VA, in partnership with an academic 
        institution, to conduct a study, and report to Congress 
        on such study, on any impediments to VA obtaining 
        extreme risk protection orders to temporarily prohibit 
        veterans who may be a danger to themselves or others 
        from purchasing, possessing, or transporting a firearm. 
        The amendment was not agreed to by a voice vote.
          An amendment to H.R. 705 was offered by Rep. Ramirez 
        to require the U.S. Comptroller General to conduct a 
        study, and report to Congress on such study, on the 
        extent to which VA contractor employees who perform 
        compensation and pension examinations accurately and 
        consistently complete the mental competency section of 
        disability benefits questionnaires while performing 
        such examinations. This amendment would require such 
        study to examine the training provided to such 
        contracted employees; identify and evaluate any 
        additional training VA contractors provide to such 
        employees, and identify and evaluate any such training, 
        and identify and evaluate any training provided to VA 
        employees who evaluate medical evidence for mental 
        competency determinations. This amendment would also 
        prohibit the underlying bill from taking effect until 
        after the report on the study is submitted to Congress. 
        The amendment was not agreed to by a voice vote.
          An amendment to H.R. 705 was offered by Rep. Mrvan to 
        prohibit the underlying bill from taking effect until 
        after the Secretary submits to Congress certification 
        in writing that the implementation of H.R. 705 will not 
        lead to an increase in the rate of death by suicide 
        using a firearm among veterans who have VA assigned 
        fiduciaries. The amendment was not agreed to by a 
        recorded vote of 10 yeas and 12 nays.
          An amendment to H.R. 705 was offered by Rep. Brownley 
        to require the Secretary, in coordination with the 
        Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services for 
        Mental Health and Substance Abuse, to conduct a study, 
        and report to Congress on such study, on the long-term 
        mental health outcomes and prevalence of suicidal 
        ideation and identification as ``dangerous'' among the 
        population of veterans who have a VA appointed 
        fiduciary. This amendment would also prohibit the 
        underlying bill from taking effect until after the 
        report on the study is submitted to Congress. The 
        amendment was not agreed to by a voice vote.
          An amendment to H.R. 705 was offered by Rep. 
        Budzinski to require VA to carry out a study, and 
        report to Congress on such study, on the factors 
        contributing to the stigma around seeking VA mental 
        health care and other barriers to seeking VA mental 
        healthcare. This amendment would also require VA to 
        create and conduct an outreach campaign to counter 
        stigma around seeking VA mental health care based on 
        the study's findings. The amendment was not agreed to 
        by a voice vote.
          An amendment to H.R. 705 was offered by Rep. Landsman 
        to require the Secretary, in coordination with the 
        Attorney General, to determine, and report to Congress 
        on, the number of veterans with VA appointed 
        fiduciaries (and whose names VA has sent to NICS under 
        the Brady Act) who have attempted to buy a firearm but 
        were prevented for doing so because their name was on 
        NICS and how many veterans with VA appointed 
        fiduciaries that have had a firearm confiscated by a 
        State or Federal entity. The amendment was not agreed 
        to by a voice vote.
          An amendment to H.R. 705 was offered by Rep. Levin to 
        require VA to carry out a study, and submit a report to 
        Congress on such study, on the extent to which 
        beneficiaries have appealed or requested relief with 
        respect to the transmittal of identifiable information 
        to NICS and which beneficiaries have not appealed to 
        such transmittal of information and why. This amendment 
        would also prohibit the underlying bill from taking 
        effect until after the report on such study is 
        submitted to Congress. The amendment was not agreed to 
        by a voice vote.
          An amendment to H.R. 705 was offered by Rep. Deluzio 
        to allow VA, as part of the Veterans Justice Outreach 
        Program, to support university law school programs that 
        provide legal assistance to veterans, including 
        university law school programs that represent veterans 
        in their appeals before VA related to the appointment 
        of fiduciaries, that assist veterans with filing and 
        appealing claims for VA benefits, and that assist 
        veterans with other civil, criminal, and family legal 
        matters as the Secretary considers appropriate. This 
        amendment would also authorize appropriations of $10 
        million per year for fiscal years 2025-2029. The 
        amendment was not agreed to by a voice vote.
          An amendment in the nature of substitute to H.R. 705 
        was offered by Ranking Member Takano to change the 
        short title of the bill to ``Veterans 2nd Amendment 
        Protection and Lethal Means Safety Training Act'' and 
        to require VA, when determining whether a veteran is 
        mentally competent to handle their VA funds, to make an 
        additional determination as to whether the veteran is a 
        danger to themselves or others. The amendment would 
        require that determination be based on opinion(s) from 
        a licensed mental health professional. The amendment 
        would also prohibit VA from sending a beneficiary's 
        name to NICS if it is determined that such person is 
        not a danger to themself or others, but would allow VA 
        in such cases to determine that a beneficiary is not 
        mentally competent to manage their VA benefits. 
        Additionally, the amendment would mandate additional 
        lethal means safety, suicide prevention and safe 
        storage and handling training for VA employees or 
        contractors who regularly interact with veterans, 
        community care providers, and caregivers. The amendment 
        was not agreed to by a recorded vote of 10 yeas and 12 
        nays.
    A motion by Rep. Bergman to report H.R. 705 favorably to 
the House of Representatives was agreed to by a recorded vote 
of 13 yeas and 10 nays.

                            Committee Votes

    Clause 3(b) of rule XIII of the Rules of the House of 
Representatives requires the Committee to list the recorded 
votes on the motion to report the legislation and amendments 
thereto.
    An amendment to H.R. 705 offered by Representative 
Cherfilus-McCormick was not agreed to by a recorded vote of 8 
yeas and 11 nays. The names of Members voting for and against 
follow:


    An amendment to H.R. 705 offered by Representative McGarvey 
was not agreed to by a recorded vote of 10 yeas and 11 nays. 
The names of Members voting for and against follow:


    An amendment to H.R. 705 offered by Representative Crane 
was not agreed to by a recorded vote of 9 yeas and 13 nays. The 
names of Members voting for and against follow:


    Another amendment to H.R. 705 offered by Representative 
Crane was not agreed to by a recorded vote of 10 yeas and 12 
nays. The names of Members voting for and against follow:


    An amendment to H.R. 705 offered by Representative Mrvan 
was not agreed to by a recorded vote of 10 yeas and 12 nays. 
The names of Members voting for and against follow:


    An amendment in the nature of a substitute to H.R. 705 
offered by Ranking Member Takano was not agreed to by a 
recorded vote of 10 yeas and 12 nays. The names of Members 
voting for and against follow:


    Final passage of H.R. 705 was agreed to by a recorded vote 
of 13 yeas and 10 nays. The names of Members voting for and 
against follow:


                      Committee Oversight Findings

    In compliance with clause 3(c)(1) of rule XIII and clause 
(2)(b)(1) of rule X of the Rules of the House of 
Representatives, the Committee's oversight findings and 
recommendations are reflected in the descriptive portions of 
this report.

         Statement of General Performance Goals and Objectives

    In accordance with clause 3(c)(4) of rule XIII of the Rules 
of the House of Representatives, the Committee's performance 
goals and objectives of H.R. 705 are to ensure that veterans 
and their families can access their VA benefits without any 
violation of their Constitutional rights.

                  Earmarks and Tax and Tariff Benefits

    H.R. 705 does not contain any Congressional earmarks, 
limited tax benefits, or limited tariff benefits as defined in 
clause 9 of rule XXI of the Rules of the House of 
Representatives.

                        Committee Cost Estimate

    The Committee adopts as its own the Congressional Budget 
Office cost estimate on this measure.

     Budget Authority and Congressional Budget Office Cost Estimate




    H.R. 705 would prohibit the Department of Veterans Affairs 
(VA) from reporting certain information to the Department of 
Justice for use in the National Instant Criminal Background 
Check System (NICS). That system is used by licensed firearms 
dealers to determine whether a person can legally purchase a 
firearm.
    Under current law, VA appoints fiduciaries to manage 
benefits for people who have been determined unable to manage 
benefits on their own. In some cases, VA reports that 
information to the NICS. As a result of that reporting, a 
person may be determined to be ineligible to purchase a 
firearm. (The Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2024, prohibits 
the department from making such reports in the current fiscal 
year.)
    Under the bill, VA would be prohibited from transmitting 
information to the NICS about a person solely because a 
fiduciary manages their VA benefits. The department could make 
such a report, however, if a judge determines that the person 
poses a danger to themselves or others.
    CBO estimates that implementing the bill could reduce 
administrative costs by decreasing VA's reporting to the NICS. 
Conversely, VA could incur additional costs for seeking 
judicial determinations that a person poses a danger and should 
be reported to the NICS. CBO estimates that, in either case, 
the net change in spending would not be significant. Any 
related spending would be subject to appropriation.
    The CBO staff contact for this estimate is Logan Smith. The 
estimate was reviewed by Christina Hawley Anthony, Deputy 
Director of Budget Analysis.

                                         Phillip L. Swagel,
                             Director, Congressional Budget Office.

                       Federal Mandates Statement

    Section 423 of the Congressional Budget and Impoundment 
Control Act (as amended by Section 101(a)(2) of the Unfunded 
Mandate Reform Act, P.L. 104-4 is inapplicable to H.R. 705.

                      Advisory Committee Statement

    No advisory committees within the meaning of section 5(b) 
of the Federal Advisory Committee Act would be created by H.R. 
705.

                  Applicability to Legislative Branch

    The Committee finds that H.R. 705 does not relate to the 
terms and conditions of employment or access to public services 
or accommodations within the meaning of section 102(b)(3) of 
the Congressional Accountability Act.

              Statement on Duplication of Federal Programs

    Pursuant to clause 3(c)(5) of rule XIII of the Rules of the 
House of Representatives, the Committee finds that no provision 
of H.R. 705 would establish or reauthorize a program of the 
Federal Government known to be duplicative of another Federal 
program, a program that was included in any report from the 
Government Accountability Office to Congress pursuant to 
section 21 of Public Law 111-139, or a program related to a 
program identified in the most recent Catalog of Federal 
Domestic Assistance.

             Section-by-Section Analysis of the Legislation


Section 1. Short title

    Section 1 would establish the short title of the bill as 
the ``Veterans 2nd Amendment Protection Act''.

Section 2. Prohibition on Secretary of Veterans Affairs Transmittal of 
        certain information to the Department of Justice for use by the 
        National Instant Criminal Background Check System

    Section 2 would amend Title 38, U.S. Code, Chapter 55, by 
creating a new section 5501B that would prohibit VA from 
transmitting to any entity in the Department of Justice, for 
use by NICS, personally identifiable information of a 
beneficiary of VA benefits for whom VA has assigned a fiduciary 
to assist with their VA benefits under 38 U.S.C. Sec. 5502, 
unless there is an order or finding of a judge, magistrate, or 
other judicial authority, that such beneficiary is a danger to 
themselves or others.

         Changes in Existing Law Made by the Bill, as Reported

    In compliance with clause 3(e) of rule XIII of the Rules of 
the House of Representatives, changes in existing law made by 
the bill, as reported, are shown as follows (existing law 
proposed to be omitted is enclosed in black brackets, new 
matter is printed in italics, existing law in which no change 
is proposed is shown in roman):

         Changes in Existing Law Made by the Bill, as Reported

  In compliance with clause 3(e) of rule XIII of the Rules of 
the House of Representatives, changes in existing law made by 
the bill, as reported, are shown as follows (new matter is 
printed in italics and existing law in which no change is 
proposed is shown in roman):

                      TITLE 38, UNITED STATES CODE



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PART IV--GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS

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           CHAPTER 55--MINORS, INCOMPETENTS, AND OTHER WARDS

Sec.
5501. Commitment actions.
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5501B. Prohibition on transmittal of certain information to the 
          Department of Justice for use by the national instant criminal 
          background check system.

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Sec. 5501B. Prohibition on transmittal of certain information to the 
                    Department of Justice for use by the national 
                    instant criminal background check system

  The Secretary may not transmit to any entity in the 
Department of Justice, for use by the national instant criminal 
background check system established under section 103 of the 
Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, personally identifiable 
information of a beneficiary, solely on the basis of a 
determination by the Secretary to pay benefits to a fiduciary 
for the use and benefit of the beneficiary under section 5502 
of this title, without the order or finding of a judge, 
magistrate, or other judicial authority of competent 
jurisdiction that such beneficiary is a danger to themselves or 
others.

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                             MINORITY VIEWS

    On May 1, 2024, the full House Committee on Veterans' 
Affairs met in open markup and considered H.R. 705, the 
Veterans 2nd Amendment Protection Act, introduced by Chairman 
Mike Bost. The measure was ordered favorably reported to the 
full House on a straight party line vote, with Committee 
Democrats united in opposition. We view this measure as a 
dangerous political messaging bill that perpetuates a false 
narrative that seeking mental healthcare at the Department of 
Veterans Affairs will lead to confiscation of a veterans' 
firearms without sufficient due process protections. The 
problem the bill purports to address is poorly substantiated 
and its potential effects are poorly understood. The 
legislation unnecessarily injects great risk of harm to the 
most vulnerable beneficiaries in the Department of Veterans 
Affairs' (VA) system. This is unconscionable when the rate of 
death by suicide among veterans remains significantly higher 
than that of the general population. Veterans also use firearms 
in suicide attempts at a rate of 70%, much higher than the 50% 
rate in the general population.
    First, contrary to the assertions of the Majority, this 
issue is not about undue deprivation of constitutional rights, 
but about lowering the risk of self-harm and death by suicide 
among VA beneficiaries. The Fiduciary process serves as an 
adequate proxy for determination of dangerousness. There is 
sufficient due process in the current system to protect rights 
and appeals or requests for relief are not even highly pursued. 
Veterans are already at higher risk of suicide and self-harm 
because they tend to concentrate risk factors such as post-
traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), traumatic brain injury (TBI), 
substance abuse disorder, and other addictive personality 
traits. The result of Chairman Bost's bill will mean more guns 
in more hands and more veterans will lose their life because of 
it.
    Second, Republicans are non-serious about addressing the 
issue through sound policymaking, and are relying on emotion, 
anecdote and political messaging. Significant data gaps exist--
data that would be necessary to help bridge anecdotes and 
evidence related to the Fiduciary Program--this legislation 
fills none of those gaps. The title alone presages partisanship 
and belies the fact that this legislation is purely a messaging 
bill related to the politics of guns and is not about 
protecting veterans. Democrats prefer a data driven, evidence-
based policymaking process, which the Republican work on this 
abandons.
    Concerning the need for this bill as stated by the 
Majority, the stigma around seeking mental health help for fear 
of losing 2nd Amendment rights is real and deserves to be 
addressed in a meaningful way. However, it is part of the 
broader issue of misinformation and disinformation propagating 
online and elsewhere. It is a perception issue that the 
Majority and, unfortunately, many VSOs are perpetuating, both 
through this bill and in their failure to denounce the rumors 
as untrue. In fact, there are documented greater hurdles to 
seeking care including convenience and cost.
    Specifically, with respect to the adequacy of the Fiduciary 
process as proxy for determining dangerousness, we know from 
academic research that the population of beneficiaries assigned 
a fiduciary suffers from mental health conditions that would 
preclude most of the general population from owning firearms. 
The most common mental health conditions among beneficiaries 
with a fiduciary are as follows:
          1. Schizophrenia--36.5%
          2. TBI--31.2%
          3. PTSD--22.3%
          4. Bipolar Disorder--5.6%
          5. Dementia--4.4%
Moreover, mental incompetency for fiduciary purposes is 
equivalent to increased suicide risk. Veterans who scored 
poorly on financial management abilities were about twice as 
likely to report suicidal ideation and attempts, using illicit 
drugs, engaging in violent behavior, and getting arrested, 
compared to those with good management skills. Also rates of 
suicidality and violence were found to be significantly 
elevated in veterans who were identified as needing a 
fiduciary.\1\
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    \1\Swanson, J., Easter, M., Brancu, M. et al. Informing Federal 
Policy on Firearm Restrictions for Veterans with Fiduciaries: Risk 
Indicators in the Post-Deployment Mental Health Study. Adm Policy Ment 
Health 45, 673-683 (2018). https://doi.org/10.1007/s10488-018-0881-y.
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    Regarding the due process protections already built into 
VA's system in compliance with the Administrative Procedures 
Act (APA) and the NICS Improvement Amendments Act (NIAA), 
veterans and other beneficiaries currently have significant 
avenues for redress. VA notifies beneficiaries of the 
consequences of their proposed determination, including NICS 
reporting requirements as required by the APA and the NIAA. 
They may then appeal both the determination to appoint a 
fiduciary, and the subsequent reporting to NICS, independently 
of one another and at several points in the process. 
Beneficiaries may:
          1. Request a pre-decision review of the incompetency 
        decision before it is finalized;
          2. Appeal the determination of mental incompetency;
          3. File a supplemental claim;
          4. Seek a Higher-Level Review;
          5. Appeal the incompetency determination to the Board 
        of Veterans Appeals;
          6. Seek specific relief from NICS reporting, even 
        after the appointment of a Fiduciary.
Moreover, decisions regarding VA benefits determinations are 
already able to be appealed to judicial authorities such as the 
Court of Appeals for Veterans' Claims and the U.S. Court of 
Appeals for the Federal Circuit. The Majority conveniently 
ignores those facts when espousing their view that veterans' 
constitutional rights are being abridged without due process.
    We also know from VA reporting that these avenues for 
appeal are not widely used. In fact, in FY 2022, the most 
recent year for which there is data, there were only 135 
hearings to appeal the incompetency determination, 24 of which 
resulted in a competency determination. This is relative to a 
universe of approximately 15,000 new determinations annually. 
Also in FY 2022, VA received only 33 relief requests, and 
granted none. However, in response to these requests, 11 
beneficiaries were determined to be competent and were removed 
from NICS.\2\
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    \2\Department of Veterans Affairs, Response to House Veterans 
Affairs Committee--Minority Request for Information, April 20, 2023.
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    Additionally, it has been asserted that veterans are 
unfairly being singled out for inclusion in the NICS database, 
given that VA beneficiaries represent a large proportion of 
those reported to NICS by federal entities. It should be noted 
that of the approximately 28.4 million active entries in the 
FBI's NICS database, roughly 14.6 million of those were 
submitted by federal agencies. And of that 14.6 million, the 
vast majority (12.5 million), are unlawful aliens submitted to 
the database by the Department of Homeland Security. Veterans 
only make up the largest percentage of those reported to NICS 
by federal agencies in the category of Adjudicated Mental 
Health (261,000). So again, the Majority is continuing to 
perpetuate the myth that somehow veterans are being unduly 
burdened by this NICS reporting, when the reality is that 
beneficiaries reported to NICS only constitute only 1.8% of 
federal reporting and 0.9% of all entries in total database.\3\
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    \3\Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Criminal 
Justice Information Services Division, Active Entries in the NICS 
Indices as of January 3, 2023. https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/
active-entries-in-the-nics-indices-by-state.pdf/view.
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    As previously mentioned, there are a large number of 
unknowns surrounding the Fiduciary Program and its relation to 
long-term health outcomes. For example:
          1. There is very limited information publicly 
        available about the population of veterans deemed to be 
        financially incompetent who have historically been 
        reported to the NICS, and whether they, on average, 
        have elevated rates of suicidality or violence;
          2. There is no data on the desire of beneficiaries in 
        the Fiduciary Program to purchase or own firearms;
          3. There is no data on why beneficiaries are failing 
        to utilize the due process afforded them in the system 
        already;
          4. There is no data on whether a fear of losing 2nd 
        Amendment rights is the major impediment to seeking 
        help, or if other factors are more important.
The response to these unknowns should note be to remove 
safeguards which may lead to harm, but to gather information 
that informs policymaking. H.R. 705 fills none of these data 
gaps. Nor was any of this information gathered prior to this 
bill's development and introduction.
    Accordingly, during the full Committee markup on this 
measure Committee Democrats offered numerous germane amendments 
to address all these data insufficiencies. All were summarily 
rejected on party line votes. Democratic Members offered the 
following amendments to H.R. 705:
          1. Rep. Takano Substitute: Would strike the 
        underlying bill and replace it with language stating 
        that VA cannot report beneficiaries to NICS until 
        obtaining a secondary mental health determination. The 
        amendment would also require VA to update its Lethal 
        Means Safety and Suicide Prevention training and expand 
        the universe of who must take such training.
          2. Rep. Brownley Amendment: Would amend the bill to 
        require a VA study, in conjunction with the Substance 
        Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, of the 
        fiduciary population regarding long-term mental health 
        outcomes, ``dangerousness'' and suicidal ideation. One 
        of the many unknowns in this debate is that we do not 
        have good information regarding long-term mental health 
        outcomes of those assigned a fiduciary by VA. This 
        information is especially important as we know veterans 
        are at increased risk of self-harm, a risk that only 
        rises with the presence of exacerbating mental health 
        conditions, like those found in the fiduciary 
        population.
          3. Rep. Budzinski Amendment: Would amend the bill to 
        instruct VA to conduct a study to determine factors 
        contributing to stigma around seeking mental healthcare 
        at VA and identify other barriers to seeking care. The 
        amendment would then mandate VA create and conduct an 
        outreach campaign to counter that stigma.
          4. Rep. McGarvey Amendment: Would amend the bill to 
        specify which court VA should seek an order from, 
        namely the Court of Appeals for Veterans Claims. The 
        underlying bill is silent on this issue, creating 
        uncertainty for VA. The amendment would also instruct 
        the CAVC to create an expedited channel for 
        consideration of such requests. The CAVC is independent 
        of VA and has expertise in veterans' law and in 
        interpreting the medical evidence associated with a 
        veterans' claim. Additionally, given the elevated risk 
        of self-harm among this population, CAVC establishing a 
        fast lane for consideration of these judicial orders 
        would allow VA to quickly establish additional 
        protections for beneficiaries if warranted.
          5. Rep. Ramirez Amendment: Would amend the bill to 
        require VA to partner with an academic institution to 
        conduct a study on impediments to VA utilizing/
        obtaining extreme risk protection orders (ERPO). VA's 
        NICS reporting in compliance with the Brady Act is 
        fundamentally about preventing harm, either to the 
        veteran or survivor themselves, or to those around 
        them. Unfortunately, this bill ties VA's hands and 
        prevents them from doing so to the best of their 
        ability. As such, VA must explore other avenues to 
        prevent the kind of harm injected into this system by 
        this bill. One of the methods VA should explore is 
        ERPOs, which have shown to be successful in many 
        locations at preventing suicide and violence.
          6. Rep. Ramirez Amendment #2: Would amend the bill to 
        instruct the Government Accountability Office to 
        conduct a study on the accuracy and consistency with 
        which contract Compensation and Pension examiners are 
        filling out the mental competency section of Disability 
        Benefits Questionnaires (DBQ). The study should:
                  a. Evaluate the training specific to those 
                sections offered by Medical Disability Exam 
                Office;
                  b. Identify and evaluate any follow on 
                training the contractor is offering their 
                providers; and
                  c. Identify and evaluate what specific 
                training claims processors are given related to 
                examining medical evidence for competency 
                determinations.
        One of the arguments made as to the necessity of the 
        underlying bill, is that the DBQ is an inadequate 
        measure of a veterans' ability to manage their own 
        affairs because of mental illness or otherwise, and 
        that the contractors or Veterans Health Administration 
        employees filling out that section have reduced it to a 
        box checking activity. While we disagree with that 
        characterization, the reality is that no independent 
        analysis has been conducted specifically on the 
        accuracy of those sections.
          7. Rep. Levin Amendment: Would amend the bill to 
        instruct VA to conduct a study to determine why 
        beneficiaries are choosing not to avail themselves of 
        the current avenues for appeal and relief from NICS 
        reporting. The current avenues for administrative 
        relief from both the assignment of a fiduciary and 
        reporting to NICS are not widely used. What is not 
        known, is why. Are beneficiaries not appealing because 
        they don't know they can, feel as though it is futile, 
        or simply don't care? This amendment would require VA 
        to discern those reasons.
          8. Rep. Deluzio Amendment: Would amend the bill to 
        establish a new grant program for veterans' legal 
        clinics at institutions of higher learning expressly 
        for the purposes of representing veterans in fiduciary 
        related proceedings and authorize $10mil/year for 5 
        years in order to carry out this program. Under the 
        regime created by H.R. 705, VA would be forced to take 
        veterans to court in order to obtain a judicial order 
        if they wish to report that veteran to NICS. It is 
        unclear if VA would do this, however if they do, 
        veterans will inevitably require assistance in 
        defending themselves against VA. In order to prevent 
        bad actors from occupying that space at great cost to 
        the veteran, a space which veterans service 
        organizations also aren't occupying, this amendment 
        proposes expanding support for veterans' legal clinics 
        in order to bolster free services for veterans.
          9. Rep. Mrvan Amendment: Would amend the bill to 
        state that it shall not take effect until the Secretary 
        of Veterans' Affairs certifies to Congress that it will 
        not lead to an increase in death by suicide using a 
        firearm among those assigned a fiduciary. H.R. 705 
        injects a great deal of risk into the system, including 
        the risk of increased death by suicide among veterans 
        and other beneficiaries. At the very least, we must be 
        sure that this bill will not lead to increased veteran 
        suicide before it takes effect.
          10. Rep. Cherfilus-McCormick Amendment: Would amend 
        the bill to allow for continued reporting for most 
        serious mental health conditions. These are:
                  a. Schizophrenia
                  b. TBI
                  c. PTSD
                  d. Bipolar Disorder
                  e. Dementia
        We know that H.R. 705 has the potential to put more 
        guns in the hands of the most vulnerable beneficiaries 
        in VA's system. At the very least, we must continue to 
        protect those with the most serious mental impairments, 
        by continuing their reporting to NICS.
          11. Rep. Landsman Amendment: Would amend the bill to 
        require VA to partner with the Department of Justice to 
        determine how many veterans have attempted to buy a 
        firearm but were denied because of fiduciary-related 
        NICS reporting, and how many have had already owned 
        firearms confiscated by state or federal authorities. 
        Anecdotally, the Majority has said that there are great 
        numbers of veterans who have been prevented from buying 
        firearms based on the assignment of a fiduciary by VA, 
        and that others are having their firearms confiscated 
        for the same reason. The reality is that we have 
        absolutely no evidence that this is the case. As such, 
        we need to gather evidence to see if the problem the 
        Majority is trying to fix actually exists before 
        proceeding with this legislation.
    For these reasons and more, Committee Democrats must 
continue to oppose this legislation. We will recommend the 
broader House reject the measure should it come to the floor of 
the full House for consideration.

                                               Mark Takano,
                                                    Ranking Member.

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