[Congressional Record (Bound Edition), Volume 161 (2015), Part 1]
[House]
[Pages 413-416]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]




     PROTECTING VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS AND EMERGENCY RESPONDERS ACT

  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Speaker, I move to suspend the rules and 
pass the bill (H.R. 33) to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to 
ensure that emergency services volunteers are not taken into account as 
employees under the shared responsibility requirements contained in the 
Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
  The Clerk read the title of the bill.
  The text of the bill is as follows:

                                H.R. 33

       Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of 
     the United States of America in Congress assembled,

     SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

       This Act may be cited as the ``Protecting Volunteer 
     Firefighters and Emergency Responders Act''.

     SEC. 2. EMERGENCY SERVICES, GOVERNMENT, AND CERTAIN NONPROFIT 
                   VOLUNTEERS.

       (a) In General.--Section 4980H(c) of the Internal Revenue 
     Code of 1986 is amended by redesignating paragraphs (5), (6), 
     and (7) as paragraphs (6), (7), and (8), respectively, and by 
     inserting after paragraph (4) the following new paragraph:
       ``(5) Special rules for certain emergency services, 
     government, and nonprofit volunteers.--
       ``(A) Emergency services volunteers.--Qualified services 
     rendered as a bona fide volunteer to an eligible employer 
     shall not be taken into account under this section as service 
     provided by an employee. For purposes of the preceding 
     sentence, the terms `qualified services', `bona fide 
     volunteer', and `eligible employer' shall have the respective 
     meanings given such terms under section 457(e).
       ``(B) Certain other government and nonprofit volunteers.--
       ``(i) In general.--Services rendered as a bona fide 
     volunteer to a specified employer shall not be taken into 
     account under this section as service provided by an 
     employee.
       ``(ii) Bona fide volunteer.--For purposes of this 
     subparagraph, the term `bona fide volunteer' means an 
     employee of a specified employer whose only compensation from 
     such employer is in the form of--

       ``(I) reimbursement for (or reasonable allowance for) 
     reasonable expenses incurred in the performance of services 
     by volunteers, or
       ``(II) reasonable benefits (including length of service 
     awards), and nominal fees, customarily paid by similar 
     entities in connection with the performance of services by 
     volunteers.

       ``(iii) Specified employer.--For purposes of this 
     subparagraph, the term `specified employer' means--

       ``(I) any government entity, and
       ``(II) any organization described in section 501(c) and 
     exempt from tax under section 501(a).

       ``(iv) Coordination with subparagraph (A).--This 
     subparagraph shall not fail to apply with respect to services 
     merely because such services are qualified services (as 
     defined in section 457(e)(11)(C)).''.
       (b) Effective Date.--The amendments made by this section 
     shall apply to months beginning after December 31, 2013.

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to the rule, the gentleman from 
Wisconsin (Mr. Ryan) and the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Larson) 
each will control 20 minutes.
  The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Wisconsin.


                             General Leave

  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all 
Members may have 5 legislative days within which to revise and extend 
their remarks and include extraneous material on H.R. 33, currently 
under consideration.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the 
gentleman from Wisconsin?
  There was no objection.
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may 
consume.
  I am here bringing forward Mr. Barletta's bill, and it is really 
simple. One of the cornerstones of our civil society--one of the great 
pieces of the American story--is volunteerism but, in particular, 
volunteerism among our first responders.
  So many of us represent congressional districts that thrive on and 
exist on and preserve their safety on volunteer firefighters and first 
responders. Unfortunately, in the Affordable Care Act, there is a huge 
glitch. Under ObamaCare, volunteer firefighters and first responders 
are counted in many ways as if they were full-time equivalent 
employees, and therefore, volunteer fire departments are getting hit 
with enormous fines, mandates, and taxes.
  It shouldn't be that way. It is causing a huge paperwork burden, not 
to mention a fiscal drain on the budgets of these small fire 
departments and emergency responding agencies in our communities and in 
rural areas all across America. This legislation fixes this.
  I want to thank Congressman Barletta for introducing this because he 
clearly understands as a former mayor and as someone who represents 
Pennsylvania, which I know has a lot of volunteer firefighters just 
like we do in rural Wisconsin, that these are the lifeblood of our 
communities.
  The last thing that they need to do when they are so concerned about 
preserving public safety and health is to worry about all of these 
ObamaCare mandates. Mr. Barletta's bill preserves the freedom to 
operate for our 780,000 public service volunteer firefighters. It 
removes this mandate and exempts them from this onerous mandate, so 
they can continue providing the public service that they have been 
right now.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from Pennsylvania 
(Mr. Barletta), the author of this legislation.
  Mr. BARLETTA. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
  Mr. Speaker, I rise today in support of my bill, H.R. 33, the 
Protecting Volunteer Firefighters and Emergency Responders Act.
  This is a good, truly bipartisan bill that protects our first 
responders, our volunteer firefighters, and emergency services 
personnel. It protects them by ensuring that they are not considered 
employees under the employer mandate provision of ObamaCare.
  If they were, some fire companies would be forced to pay for the 
volunteers' health insurance or pay a fine, driving many fire 
departments out of business. As a former mayor, I know how important 
volunteer fire companies are to the health and safety of a community. 
Simply put, this is a public safety issue.
  I first learned about this issue from a volunteer firefighter, Bob 
Timko, back home, and I began a crusade to clear this up for volunteer 
firefighters and localities and the residents of Pennsylvania and every 
other State.
  As you know, the employer mandate of ObamaCare kicks in for employers 
with 50 or more employees. Now, some fire companies may hear about this 
and immediately think, ``Well, we only have 25 volunteers, so we are 
safe. We don't have 50.''
  That may not necessarily be the case. Some fire companies are 
considered part of their local government. If you take the number of 
firefighters, paid and unpaid, and add them to the number of other 
public employees, such as highway workers, police, code enforcement 
officers, health officers, and clerical workers, you can easily reach 
50, even in a small town.
  This would be a very big deal in my home State of Pennsylvania, where 
97 percent of our fire companies are either completely or mostly 
volunteers. Nationally, almost 92 percent of fire companies use at 
least some volunteers, and over 86 percent depend on all or mostly 
volunteers.

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  Those numbers come from the 2012 National Fire Department Census 
conducted by the United States Fire Administration. If your district is 
like mine, then volunteer firefighters are ingrained in your community.
  We won an initial battle on this issue. After I raised it with the 
IRS and brought pressure to bear through this legislation, they finally 
relented and changed their rules regarding the Federal tax status of 
volunteer firefighters.
  However, this is too important of a public safety issue to be left to 
the changing positions of unelected Federal bureaucrats at the IRS. 
Their arbitrary regulatory guidance could easily be changed back.
  Our people back home deserve better. We owe our emergency service 
volunteers, who risk their lives every day, rock-solid certainty. This 
legislation says, once and for all, that volunteer firefighters are 
just that--volunteers--and should not be subjected to the employer 
mandate. It takes away the power of the IRS to change the rules.
  I want to thank my colleagues on both sides of the aisle for their 
continued support. Last year, this bill passed the Ways and Means 
Committee by a strong bipartisan vote of 37-0, and it passed the House 
by a very rare unanimous vote of 410-0. Not one single Member, 
Republican or Democrat, opposed it.
  I want to thank Speaker Boehner, Majority Leader McCarthy, Majority 
Whip Scalise, the Ways and Means Committee, and their staffs. We all 
recognize that my bill is a simple, bipartisan solution to an 
unforeseen consequence of the President's health care law.
  This bill has the strong support of the National Volunteer Fire 
Council, the International Association of Fire Chiefs, and the 
Congressional Fire Services Institute. I want to thank my partners, as 
well as the men and women they represent, for their help.
  To be clear, forcing volunteer fire companies to comply with 
ObamaCare will not extend health insurance to the uninsured; rather, it 
will close firehouses, placing people at risk.
  I strongly urge the passage of this bill.
  Mr. LARSON of Connecticut. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I 
may consume.
  I want to start off by certainly extending congratulations to 
Representative Barletta for his persistency in continuing to bring this 
legislation forward. As he has pointed out, it has been bipartisanly 
supported, and it deserves passage. It passed unanimously, as he 
indicated, in both the Ways and Means Committee and also unanimously on 
this floor, which is no small order.
  Of course, it comes in the midst of controversy. I say 
``controversy'' because--well, our distinguished chairman is to be 
congratulated as well for not only bringing this bill forward, but also 
for the great victory that was won by the Green Bay Packers yesterday.
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. LARSON of Connecticut. In a moment, because I do want to continue 
my praise of the Aaron Rodgers look-alike.
  Today, our distinguished chairman announced that he is not running 
for President. We think that it is so that his look-alike, Aaron 
Rodgers, may fill that void. I know that it was an outstanding victory 
by the Packers yesterday, but it was not without controversy on our own 
committee.
  I know that Kenny Marchant, Kevin Brady, and Sam Johnson are very 
concerned about this, but as the chairman said, ``The rules are the 
rules,'' and we should proceed from there.

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  But I also want to thank all of those, and especially the chairman, 
who raised the point about volunteer firefighters. All of us have that 
visual in our minds, of course, of those going up the stairs so that 
people can come down the stairs. And since September 11, and noting 
that volunteer firefighters cover more than 70 percent of this country, 
this clearly is a bill that was worthy of the unanimous approval and 
consent that it received and, as I indicated, is bipartisanly supported 
by our entire delegation.
  I want to commend the gentleman from Connecticut, Representative 
Courtney, who will speak later, and also the gentlewoman from 
Connecticut, Representative Esty, and also the National Volunteer Fire 
Council, which has been 1,000 percent behind this and also other tax 
issues that are going to be coming before our committee that have been 
bipartisanly supported as well by Representative Reichert, Tom Latham, 
and others. And I know that we share the bipartisan spirit in this.
  I also would like to say that, along with firefighters, the many 
people who are emergency medical volunteers could benefit from a number 
of volunteer tax breaks that we could provide as well. I look forward 
to working with our distinguished chairman and, again, commend the 
gentleman from Pennsylvania, Representative Barletta.
  I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 30 seconds to say 
that I appreciate the kind words from the gentleman from Connecticut.
  This is bipartisan. It is wonderful when we can work together and 
find common ground to get things done and find common ground where the 
completion of a pass is the completion of a pass, it is a rule.
  Mr. LARSON of Connecticut. Will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. I yield to the gentleman from Connecticut.
  Mr. LARSON of Connecticut. We are especially gratified, though, in a 
true show of compassionate conservatism that you reached out to the 
chief fan of the Jersey Cowboys--excuse me--the Dallas Cowboys, Chris 
Christie, to provide him with both a hug and a sincere gesture from 
Wisconsin.
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Reclaiming my time, all in good jest.
  With that, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. 
Kelly), a member of the full committee.
  Mr. KELLY of Pennsylvania. Mr. Speaker, I rise in very strong support 
of H.R. 33, and I want to thank Speaker Boehner and Majority Leader 
McCarthy for allowing this legislation to come forward so early in this 
Congress.
  I agree with the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Larson). People 
always say: I wish you guys could get along; just get something done. 
This is something that we overwhelmingly believe in and we are going to 
get done.
  I think that the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Barletta) has 
explained very clearly that it has to become statute. It can't be left 
to be some nebulous fact that is rolling around out there.
  Now, these people who do this work--and in Pennsylvania, 97 percent, 
almost eight out of every 10 firefighters come from the volunteer 
aspect of it; they are not paid. Yet because of some type of allowance 
they are given, they fall under the Affordable Care Act, and this would 
destroy volunteer fire departments as we know them. So what Mr. 
Barletta has very thoughtfully done is he has put forth a piece of 
legislation that would guarantee that these folks don't have to worry 
about that.
  Now, I have got to tell you, in the little town that I grew up in and 
live in, Butler, Pennsylvania, so many people volunteer their time to 
do the volunteer fire fighting. They are also the EMS. They are the 
first responders.
  Last spring, one of our volunteer firemen by the name of Ryan 
Sekerski, on his way home from work, he heard over his scanner that a 
fuel truck had overturned. The driver was trapped inside that truck. He 
then went to the scene of the accident, got his equipment that was in 
the trunk of his car, got out, and saved that driver's life. These are 
the people that we are talking about.
  When you come to the people's House, America's House, America's 
Congress, we look at the things that we can do together, things that 
just make sense. While we may disagree on some other aspects of what it 
is that we try to get done, on this, we are solid. This just makes 
sense for America. This makes sense for all those that lay their life 
on the line anytime there is an emergency or a fire. They do it 
voluntarily.

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  Hundreds and thousands of hours in training go into this. They spend 
time away from their families. They take time away from personal time, 
where they could be doing other things, to get trained so that they can 
help other Americans who may need their help. It is absolutely 
incredible. It is so American. It is something we look at with a great 
sense of pride.
  And we went to the IRS and said: Listen, what we really need now is a 
statute that guarantees that these volunteer fire departments will not 
be put under pressure, where they would have to go out of business.
  This is not a health care issue, not as far as it is supplying health 
care or paying a fine for those that volunteer; but this is a health 
care issue for every single American for whom these people supply 
necessary services on a voluntary basis to save their lives and their 
property.
  So I think the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Barletta) is a 
champion on this issue. He was in the last Congress and the fact that 
it has come forward again--it is so overwhelmingly supported by both 
sides of our House that it truly is America's Congress. It truly is 
America's issue. It truly is an issue that makes sense for all of us. 
It is maybe our small way of thanking all those folks that do that 
every day without any pay, just because of the greatness in their 
hearts.
  Mr. LARSON of Connecticut. Mr. Speaker, I really deeply appreciate 
the words of my colleague and fellow member of the Ways and Means 
Committee. Again, I want to commend the gentleman from Pennsylvania 
(Mr. Barletta).
  I want to submit for the Record a letter from the Department of the 
Treasury that, at the bequest of a number of Members bipartisanly 
submitted and they made the changes to the rules.

            B. Exclusions From Definition of Hour of Service

       Commenters requested that hours of service performed in 
     certain capacities not be counted as an hour of service. The 
     final regulations adopt the following changes in response to 
     these comments.


                         1. Volunteer Employees

       Commenters requested that hours of service performed in the 
     capacity of a volunteer for a government entity or tax-exempt 
     organization not be counted as hours of service for purposes 
     of section 4980H. Under the definition of hour of service 
     outlined in these regulations, an hour of service is 
     generally defined as an hour for which an employee is paid or 
     entitled to payment. Accordingly, hours worked by a volunteer 
     who does not receive (and is not entitled to receive) 
     compensation in exchange for the performance of services are 
     not treated as hours of service for purposes of section 
     4980H.
       Commenters noted, however, that some volunteers receive 
     compensation in the form of expense reimbursements, stipends, 
     contributions to employee benefit plans, or nominal wages. 
     Local governments, for instance, noted that many volunteer 
     firefighters or other emergency responders are paid a salary 
     or an hourly wage, generally at a rate lower than the rate 
     paid to non-volunteers performing services in a similar 
     capacity. Other volunteer firefighters or emergency 
     responders may receive expense reimbursements or other fees 
     each time they respond to a call. Commenters generally 
     expressed concern that volunteer service would be discouraged 
     if volunteer hours were required to be counted when 
     determining whether the individual is a full-time employee 
     for purposes of section 4980H.
       In response to these concerns, the final regulations 
     provide that hours of service do not include hours worked as 
     a ``bona fide volunteer.'' For this purpose, the definition 
     of ``bona fide volunteer'' is generally based on the 
     definition of that term for purposes of section 
     457(e)(11)(B)(i), which provides special rules for length of 
     service awards offered to certain volunteer firefighters and 
     emergency medical providers under a municipal deferred 
     compensation plan. For purposes of section 4980H, however, 
     bona fide volunteers are not limited to volunteer 
     firefighters and emergency medical providers. Rather, bona 
     fide volunteers include any volunteer who is an employee of a 
     government entity or an organization described in section 
     501(c) that is exempt from taxation under section 501(a) 
     whose only compensation from that entity or organization is 
     in the form of (i) reimbursement for (or reasonable allowance 
     for) reasonable expenses incurred in the performance of 
     services by volunteers, or (ii) reasonable benefits 
     (including length of service awards), and nominal fees, 
     customarily paid by similar entities in connection with the 
     performance of services by volunteers.

  Mr. LARSON of Connecticut. Mr. Speaker, I think it is both 
appropriate and right that we codify this and put it into a law.
  With that, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Connecticut, Joe 
Courtney, one of the chief sponsors who, along with Elizabeth Esty, 
helped engineer this bill.
  Mr. COURTNEY. Mr. Speaker, first of all, I want to congratulate the 
gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Barletta) for his leadership on this 
legislation, which has been noted.
  As we are standing here today, there are probably thousands of calls 
happening all across the country for fire suppression, for medical 
emergencies, for people with all types of difficulties that 
volunteers--people who don't have to step up and train and spend all 
the hours and be available at the expense of their family time and 
their work time--will respond to these calls.
  And for a lot of communities that rely on volunteers, the issue of 
recruitment and retention and just trying to make the environment 
conducive for people to make that act of volunteering is a challenge 
that I think all of us hear about from our volunteer fire departments 
and first responders all across the Nation.
  So when this issue of the Affordable Care Act being possibly a 
requirement for the shared responsibilities of employers was out there, 
again, I applaud Mr. Barletta for stepping up, introducing this 
legislation, and following up with mail to the IRS Commissioner. They 
did respond almost exactly a year ago, saying that the regulations 
would not count bona fide volunteers in terms of the 50-employee count. 
But as was noted, I think it is always better to have it in statute 
rather than rely on the whims of administrative agencies that can 
change with the change of administration. So again, I think this is an 
example of how the country really wants us to operate.
  Again, if you look at the Affordable Care Act, since its passage, we 
have worked together to eliminate the 1099 filing requirement; we have 
worked together to make sure that our military families, through 
TRICARE, would have age 26 coverage, which was left out when the bill 
was initially filed; and here today, we are following up again with an 
example of commonsense fixes to the legislation, which is what I think 
the country really is looking for.
  I would also note that the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Larson) 
has legislation to restore tax exclusions which were on the books a 
number of years ago to help volunteer fire departments use property tax 
exemptions and equipment donations that had been treated as income by 
the IRS in past years.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The time of the gentleman has expired.
  Mr. LARSON of Connecticut. I yield the gentleman an additional 
minute.
  Mr. COURTNEY. Unfortunately, those tax exemptions expired. And I 
know, again, the gentleman--and I am sure with bipartisan support--is 
going to introduce measures to bring those back and, again, allow these 
departments that are struggling to retain and recruit to have the tools 
so that they can make it easier, rather than having to file 1040s and 
drive people crazy around tax filing time for things like boots and 
coats and a property tax exemption being treated as taxable income.
  So again, I look forward to the passage of this legislation with the 
huge bipartisan margin that we saw last year; and given the 
administration's response to our entreaties, again, I fully expect that 
there will be a bill signing ceremony at the White House, assuming it 
gets through the Senate. Again, with that, I would urge passage.
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Speaker, I have no further requests for 
time other than to close.
  May I inquire of the gentleman from Connecticut?
  Mr. LARSON of Connecticut. I have no further requests for time.
  Joe Courtney said, ``Don't forget to mention the Patriots,'' so I 
would be remiss if I didn't.
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. LARSON of Connecticut. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I 
may consume.

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  I want to thank Representative Courtney also for recognizing the 
Volunteer Responder Incentive Protection Reauthorization Act, as I 
mentioned earlier, which is something that has been bipartisanly 
cosponsored in the past by Representatives Reichert, Latham, myself, 
and others.
  The distinguished chairman and I, who are classmates, who came into 
this Congress together--he has also been a great proponent and advocate 
for making sure that these volunteers, who never were intended in both 
the case of Mr. Barletta and also in the case of the IRS, something 
that is administratively burdening for the IRS, this is, as Mr. Kelly 
so passionately said, something that is common sense, that we ought to 
work on together, and that we ought to provide the relief for, those 
who provide more than 70 percent of the volunteer aid across this 
country, especially when it comes to fighting fires. And our National 
Volunteer Fire Council is supportive of this as is the Fire Chiefs 
Association. I am looking forward to working with my colleagues across 
the aisle to ensure this.
  Again, with that, I commend and congratulate the gentleman from 
Pennsylvania (Mr. Barletta) and thank him for his fine work in this 
area, and I look forward to supporting him on future endeavors.
  I yield back the balance of my time.
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself just a few moments 
to say to the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Larson), I appreciate him 
for his comity, for the bipartisan nature of this.
  I would say to the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Courtney), first, 
they have to get through some tough luck--Andrew Luck, in particular--
in order to make it to where they want to go.
  With that, for the purpose of closing on his own bill, I would like 
to yield such time as he may consume to the gentleman from Pennsylvania 
(Mr. Barletta).
  Mr. BARLETTA. Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank my colleagues on 
both sides. There are very few times when you have a vote here that is 
unanimous, and it is for a simple reason. It is that everyone here 
understands and appreciates what these men and women in our communities 
are willing to do to make the community safe.
  You know, as a mayor, I have come to appreciate the volunteer 
firefighters more than I could ever imagine. Many times, I have watched 
them stand out in the middle of a road with a boot, trying to raise 
money so that they could buy gear or equipment or get more training. 
The volunteers ask very little of their community compared to what they 
are willing to give, and that is the ultimate sacrifice. They are 
willing to give their lives for people that they don't even know. They 
are willing to walk into a burning fire.
  I can remember one night, our local fire department in Hazleton, 
Pennsylvania, they ran in, and they came out with a little baby whose 
life they saved. And I also remember a day when they couldn't save a 
life and how it affected every one of those men and women as if it were 
their own child. They have a lot to worry about, and what they 
shouldn't worry about is where they are going to get money to provide 
health insurance or pay a fine. I am sure this was an unintended 
consequence, and we here recognize that.
  So again, I want to thank the chairman and my colleagues for standing 
with me and saluting the real American heroes, the men and women who 
volunteer to save us, our first responders.
  Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my 
time.
  Ms. JACKSON LEE. Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong support of H.R. 33, 
the ``Protecting Volunteer Firefighters and Emergency Responders Act,'' 
which clarifies that volunteer firefighters and first responders are 
not to be counted towards an employer's calculation of its full-time 
employees for the purposes of determining if the employer falls under 
the ACA's employer responsibility requirement.
  I support this bill because it protects fire departments from being 
required to pay for the insurance of their volunteers.
  If they were required to pay, it is likely that many fire companies 
would be forced out of business.
  This bill is identical to H.R. 3979, reported in the 113th Congress 
by the Ways and Means Committee by a 37-0 vote, and passed on the House 
floor by a bipartisan 410-0 vote.
  The only reason this bill was never delivered to the President's desk 
was that the Senate ran out of time in their effort to pass the FY 2015 
National Defense Authorization Act, preventing the Federal government 
from shutting down.
  Within the state of Texas, nearly 85% of fire departments are 
operated entirely on a volunteer or mostly basis.
  Failure to pass this bill would mean dire consequences for the future 
of these volunteer fire departments.
  As this bill was passed unanimously in the previous House, I see no 
reason why it should not do the same in this one.
  I ask that my colleagues to join me in protecting our nation's fire 
departments by voting for the passage of this bill.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion offered by the 
gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Ryan) that the House suspend the rules 
and pass the bill, H.R. 33.
  The question was taken.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. In the opinion of the Chair, two-thirds 
being in the affirmative, the ayes have it.
  Mr. LARSON of Connecticut. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and 
nays.
  The yeas and nays were ordered.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to clause 8 of rule XX, further 
proceedings on this motion will be postponed.

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