[Congressional Record (Bound Edition), Volume 157 (2011), Part 13]
[House]
[Pages 18710-18715]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]




                          LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM

  (Mr. HOYER asked and was given permission to address the House for 1 
minute.)
  Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, I yield to my friend from Virginia, the 
majority leader, for the purpose of inquiring about the schedule for 
the week to come.
  Mr. CANTOR. I thank the gentleman from Maryland, the Democratic whip, 
for yielding.
  Mr. Speaker, on Monday the House will meet at noon for morning hour 
and 2 p.m. for legislative business. However, no votes are expected in 
the House.
  On Tuesday and Wednesday, the House will meet at 10 a.m. for morning 
hour and noon for legislative business.
  On Thursday the House will meet at 9 a.m. for legislative business. 
We currently expect last votes for the week no later than 3 p.m. on 
Thursday, but

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Members are advised to keep their plans flexible as we continue to work 
towards adjourning for the first session.
  Similarly, Members were informed yesterday that we now expect to be 
in session and voting the week of December 12. The exact voting 
schedule is not known and will depend on the progress of our 
legislative business.
  Next week the House will consider a number of bills under suspension 
of the rules on Monday and Tuesday. A complete list of these bills will 
be announced by the close of business today.
  For the remainder of the week, the House will consider two bills 
which are part of the House Republican jobs agenda: H.R. 10, the REINS 
Act, sponsored by Representative Geoff Davis of Kentucky; and H.R. 
1633, the Farm Dust Regulation Prevention Act, sponsored by 
Representatives Kristi Noem of South Dakota and Robert Hurt of 
Virginia.
  In addition, we may be able to go to conference on a couple of year-
end items, and we may consider legislation related to expiring 
provisions of existing law.
  Mr. HOYER. I thank the gentleman for his information.
  If I can clarify, and I understand that we are coming up to the end 
of the year. There is a lot of business which needs to be done in the 
time remaining, and so I understand his urging to be flexible.
  My Members have asked me, I'm sure Your members have as well, Friday 
the 9th is scheduled on the calendar to be a nonwork day, as a matter 
of fact, the 8th was the target date. Either side very rarely meets its 
target. But in your flexibility--clearly we've told our Members the 
following week, the week of the 12th, that undoubtedly we're going to 
be here. But can you give them some sort of confidence level with 
respect to the 9th, or is that not possible?
  I yield to my friend.
  Mr. CANTOR. Mr. Speaker, as I've said earlier, it is our intention to 
finish legislative business for the week next Thursday at 3 p.m. and 
again to remain flexible while we monitor the progress of all of the 
discussions going on with the gentleman's side of the aisle, both in 
this Chamber and the one across the way.
  Mr. HOYER. Reclaiming my time, thank you for that.
  Let me posit a possibility here. Thursday at 3 o'clock we clearly, I 
don't believe, aren't going to finish the business that we need to 
finish before we leave. Therefore, my presumption is we will be back in 
the following week. Therefore, Friday would not be the last day and 
therefore we could do whatever we have to do on a Monday, Tuesday, 
Wednesday, Thursday and we should plan on a five-day week at least for 
the following week.
  Is that correct?
  Mr. CANTOR. Mr. Speaker, I would say to the gentleman again the 
request is for Members to leave their schedules flexible. As I 
indicated we do expect to be in session the week of December 12 but the 
exact voting schedule is unknown at this time and will depend upon the 
discussions surrounding the issues that we need to address prior to the 
Christmas holiday.
  Mr. HOYER. Further on the schedule, just so our Members have pretty 
clear information, the week of the 19th, which is the following week, 
can you give me some thought on what you are advising your Members with 
respect to the week of the 19th?
  I yield to my friend.
  Mr. CANTOR. Mr. Speaker, I say to the gentleman I join with the 
Speaker in saying that we want to be out of here by the 16th, and it 
will all depend on whether we get the work done. It is not our desire 
to be here the week running up to Christmas. And I would say to the 
gentleman that it is my hope that we can finish our business by the end 
of the week of the 12th.

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  Mr. HOYER. I want to tell my friend that there is overwhelming 
bipartisan unanimity on the gentleman's hope; but for the purposes of 
my Members, I will say that I would hope our Members would take the 
flexibility beyond the week ending on the 16th and make sure, at least 
on the 19th and 20th and 21st, that they're flexible as well. I think 
none of us want to be meeting that week, but we have a lot of work to 
do, as the gentleman knows.
  The gentleman has announced that we may go to conference next week on 
the MilCon bill that was passed by the House and the Senate. It is the 
only bill that, I think, is in that status.
  Do you anticipate other bills being added in that conference? Of 
course, we all know there are nine appropriations bills which still 
remain unpassed, a number of which have not passed the Senate and some 
of which have not passed the House, itself.
  Will the gentleman clarify the situation that may result or may be 
effective as it relates to such a conference with respect to the other 
appropriations bills.
  Mr. CANTOR. The gentleman is asking about the shape or form of an 
appropriations package and what it is we'll be voting on. As the 
gentleman knows, the committee on both sides of the aisle is engaging 
in discussions to try and finish up our work, and I look forward to 
that happening, again, within the time frame in which both of us would 
like to see it happen.
  Mr. HOYER. That doesn't clarify it very much, but I understand the 
gentleman's problem with respect to what is being done. Let me ask the 
gentleman:
  If we can't get agreement, in light of the gentleman's focus on the 
16th as the date of adjournment, is the gentleman saying that we might 
consider a CR for some period of time, either a balance-of-the-year 
continuing resolution or a continuing resolution for some other time?
  Mr. CANTOR. Our hope is, again, to be able to avoid that so that we 
can have a full appropriations package to dictate the priorities that 
we can agree upon for spending in the rest of the year.
  Again, as the gentleman knows, we are operating within the context of 
the Budget Control Act, the agreement that was put into law at the end 
of the debt ceiling discussions at the beginning of August of this 
year. The amount of spending reductions is not enough for many of us on 
our side of the aisle and perhaps may not be enough or too much on his 
side of the aisle; but we are operating under the deal that was agreed 
upon, and the hope is to try and finalize all bills; and we're working 
towards that end at this point.
  I thank the gentleman for the question.
  Mr. HOYER. I thank the gentleman for that information.
  I am pleased to hear that he is going to be sticking with the level 
of funding that we agreed upon. I think the gentleman's observation is 
correct: there are many people on my side who believe that is lower 
than is necessary to meet the responsibilities they would like to see 
met, and on your side it's too much in terms of the fiscal situation 
that confronts us; but I am pleased to hear that we're going to be 
consistent with the 1.043 discretionary number that was set forth in 
the Budget Control Act.
  My friend knows that, in the Budget Control Act, we also provided for 
some headroom for emergency spending as a result of disasters. The 
gentleman well knows our region in the Northeast was hit very hard by a 
hurricane. We've had an earthquake. We've had tornadoes and other 
natural disasters. That gave $11 billion of headroom.
  Will we continue to honor that part of the agreement as well?
  Mr. CANTOR. As I said earlier to the gentleman, our intention is to 
operate and abide by the terms of the Budget Control Act.
  Mr. HOYER. I thank the gentleman for that.
  I was profoundly disappointed that the so-called supercommittee, or 
the special committee on deficit reduction, either was unable to reach 
an agreement on at least a $4 trillion agreement to reduce our deficit 
or, as I had urged individually, to extend its life for a period of 
time, 60 to 90 days, which would have allowed us further opportunity to 
reach such a deal.
  I think that it is absolutely essential for our country. I think it 
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extraordinary plus for our economy if we were to reach such an 
agreement. I think it would raise the confidence of the American people 
and raise the confidence of the international community and, not 
inconsequentially, that of the rating agencies as well. We didn't reach 
an agreement. We didn't extend the life of that commission. I would 
like to see us set up another process which would give us accelerated 
consideration of such an agreement.
  Having said that, we built into the Budget Control Act a disciplinary 
consequence of that failure, which was the sequester--a $1.2 trillion 
across-the-board cut, divided equally between defense and non-defense 
discretionary spending. The Speaker had said that we are morally bound 
to accept the defense cuts if the supercommittee failed.
  I wonder if you support the Speaker in that commitment.
  Mr. CANTOR. I'd say to the gentleman that I don't know the quote from 
which the gentleman pulls as to the Speaker's statement. I know that I 
share with the Speaker a commitment towards fiscal discipline and that 
there will be the requisite cuts to go along with the increase in the 
debt ceiling that will occur by law at the end of this year.
  It is my hope that we can act in a bipartisan way to find a way to 
implement cuts that can replace the across-the-board cuts that will do 
what, I believe, is irreparable damage to the Defense Department and 
our ability to defend this country.
  If I could, Mr. Speaker, quote from Secretary Panetta, who said as 
recently as Monday, ``If Congress fails to act over the next year, the 
Department of Defense will face devastating, automatic, across-the-
board cuts that will tear a seam in the Nation's defense.''
  He went on to say, ``The half-trillion in additional cuts demanded by 
sequester would lead to a hollow force incapable of sustaining the 
missions it is assigned.'' Furthermore, ``the Pentagon's ability to 
provide benefits and support for U.S. troops and their families also 
would be jeopardized if the automatic cuts,'' as designed, ``are 
allowed to go into effect.''
  Mr. Speaker, he ended his statement by saying, ``Our troops deserve 
better and our Nation demands better.''
  I'd say to the gentleman that it is my hope that we can work in a 
bipartisan fashion to try and do that which eluded the supercommittee 
and the other efforts along the way this year to try and come up with 
the requisite cuts. Again, I hope that we could do so and make sure the 
cuts are there, not avoid the cuts, but also not allow them to 
eviscerate our ability to defend this country.
  Mr. HOYER. I thank the gentleman for his comments, and I appreciate 
Mr. Panetta's quote. I believe Mr. Panetta's quote is an accurate quote 
and, I believe, substantively correct.
  Let me give the gentleman another quote from the former chairman of 
the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Michael Mullen. I know the gentleman 
knows Admiral Mullen, who served so ably as the Chairman of the Joint 
Chiefs of Staff.
  He said, ``The most significant threat to our national security is 
our debt.''
  He went on to say, ``And the reason I say that is because the ability 
for our country to resource our military--and I have a pretty good 
feeling and understanding about what our national security requirements 
are--is going to be directly proportional--over time, not next year or 
the year after, but over time--to help our economy.''
  So I would agree with the gentleman that we need to reach a 
bipartisan agreement. I would hope the gentleman would share my view 
that we need to reach a bipartisan agreement on a big deal. A little 
deal, as the Speaker and I have discussed, will simply push off until 
next year a decision and the year after in just doing it incrementally. 
That will not give confidence to the markets. It will not give 
confidence to the business community. It will not help our economy 
either domestically or internationally.
  So my concern, I tell my friend, is if we now walk away from the 
sequester, as we have walked away from too many agreements in the past, 
we will again remove the discipline, remove the incentive, remove the 
imperative, as the gentleman points out, for coming to a bipartisan 
agreement, which is Bowles-Simpson, Rivlin-Domenici, the Gang of Six.
  As the 100, the 40 Republicans and 60 Democrats, as the 46 equally 
divided between Republicans and Democrats have said, we need to reach a 
balanced deal: a deal which will restrain and cut spending, a deal that 
will deal with entitlement sustainability over time, and a deal that 
will provide a revenue stream that will allow us to fund what we 
believe to be absolutely essential, of which, as the gentleman points 
out, and he and I agree, national security is one.

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  So I would hope that we would not walk away from that disciplinary 
incentive to, in fact, have Republicans and Democrats come to an 
agreement.
  I yield to my friend.
  Mr. CANTOR. I thank the gentleman.
  Mr. Speaker, no one is talking about walking away from fiscal 
discipline, and I share in the gentleman's desire to try and address 
the real problem here, which is Washington spending.
  As the gentleman knows, the Republican majority in the House has the 
only plan on the table that actually is a big deal that fixes the 
problem. Unfortunately, there's just not an agreement on those very big 
issues.
  As I've said and indicated earlier, there have been at least three 
attempts this year to chase the so-called big deal, and the problem is 
there's no agreement. There's no agreement on doing what's necessary to 
fix the real problem. And so if we've been there--and the President, 
himself, has said that there may be some issues that have to be 
disposed of or resolved in next year's election, but it doesn't mean we 
can't make some incremental progress.
  I disagree with the gentleman, Mr. Speaker, that somehow if we make 
some progress, that that somehow takes away from our ability to solve 
big problems. We have already demonstrated around here the bar is 
pretty low when it comes to fixing big problems, and that's 
unfortunate, but it doesn't mean that we can't work incrementally 
together to address priorities.
  I'm with the gentleman. I know that the response from the markets and 
otherwise are not going to be as positive if we don't fix the problem 
through a so-called big deal. But the point of contention is, one, the 
unwillingness to fix the real problem, because it's we in the majority 
that have put forward the only fix, long term, as CBO would say; and 
then the other point of contention is we don't believe that now is the 
time to raise taxes on small business men and women.
  And it's not the millionaires and billionaires; that's not the point. 
We don't believe that when you want to grow the economy, when you want 
to create jobs, that we should be putting a higher burden on the small 
business people of this country to create the jobs we want.
  So if we know that there's that divide--we have already seen it play 
out for 8 or 9 months--let's try to work incrementally together in a 
bipartisan way, the way most people do that have differences, come 
together where you can set aside the differences.
  Mr. HOYER. I thank the gentleman for his comments.
  I think that both sides have shown some flexibility in some respects. 
Certainly a number of Republicans and Democrats showed flexibility on 
the Bowles-Simpson Commission.
  Now, none of the House Members on the Republican side showed that 
flexibility, for reasons that I've heard them articulate. I understand 
they had reasons. But, unfortunately, we didn't get to the 14 votes in 
a bipartisan way on the Commission. As you know, I was not on the 
Commission, but I supported the Commission's report, would have voted 
for the Commission's report, as did Mr. Durbin, the majority whip in 
the Senate.
  Let me say to the gentleman, with respect to small business, nobody 
wants to put taxes on small business. As a matter of fact, we want to 
reduce taxes for small business. We offered that on the floor in the 
United States Senate yesterday. Every Democrat but

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one voted for that yesterday. Unfortunately, it did not pass. Your 
side, as you know, offered an alternative, an alternative which didn't 
even enjoy the support of the majority of your party.
  So we need to get to bipartisan support, but I wish the gentleman 
would, when we talk about trying to ask some of the wealthiest people 
in America to pay a little more--not a lot more, but a little more--to 
meet the obligations so our country is fiscally sound, would not keep 
putting forth this, what I believe to be, windmill of small business.
  We are for small business. This tax cut would reduce substantially 
taxes on small business. Your party, the majority, voted against it in 
the United States Senate. It hasn't been brought to the floor.
  We would hope that we would extend the tax cut for middle class 
working people and not restore that tax, and that that would affect 
both individuals and, as the gentleman knows, small business. So we 
have a tax cut that we're recommending. The President has gone all over 
the country and talked about it, but it hasn't been brought to the 
floor. We think that's regrettable. We would hope you would do that.
  Furthermore, frankly, the millionaires' tax, the billionaires' tax 
is, as you know, a net taxable income level. It's not going to hurt 
small business at all. It's not going to hurt job creators at all. And, 
very frankly, I will tell my friend, we continue to follow an agenda 
which I don't think you can quote me an economist that will tell me 
that your regulatory bills that we've been spending time on, day after 
day, week after week--which I know sounds good to your people. We need 
regulatory reform. We need regulatory simplification. We need to make 
it in America. One of the ways we need to do so is make it profitable 
to make it in America. I agree with that 100 percent. But I don't have 
any economist who has told me that that's going to create jobs. As a 
matter of fact, Bruce Bartlett, an economist for the Reagan 
administration and Bush administration, said specifically it will have 
little, if any, effect.
  Do you have an economist who said that that's going to grow jobs?
  I yield to my friend.
  Mr. CANTOR. Mr. Speaker, let me respond to some of the gentleman's 
questions, first about Bowles-Simpson.
  I think maybe some of the position that was taken by the House 
Members on Bowles-Simpson reflects the fact that it didn't fix the real 
problem. Again, it didn't fix the entitlement problem we have in this 
country given the demographics, and so that's the real problem.
  And so if you don't fix the real problem and you go raise taxes, 
which the Bowles-Simpson plan suggested and gave you options to do, 
it's like throwing good money after bad. And I think the American 
people are tired of it. We have to fix the problem, and that's what we 
want to do.
  And as far as the sequester is concerned, I want to reiterate that 
we're not talking about, and I'm not suggesting, on not doing all the 
cuts, because we believe--and this is the change that we put in place 
here when we became the majority. We believe you shouldn't be raising 
the credit limit of the country without turning things around and 
stopping the spending.
  So we're not talking about or not suggesting not doing all of the 
cuts. What I am saying is we need to work together to find the 
commensurate cuts that aren't those that disproportionately affect the 
defense of our country. And I think the gentleman agrees with me; a 
priority is the defense of our country.
  That's why if we can't see our way clear to even finding $1.2 
trillion through the Joint Select Committee process, then let's look to 
see how we come together in an incremental way. But I think the 
American people are looking for some progress here.
  But I want to tell the gentleman, again, I don't believe that raising 
taxes is a good thing. And, again, the gentleman continues to talk 
about balanced deals, and that is a euphemism for saying raising taxes.
  But, look. If we disagree on that, if the gentleman thinks it's good 
to raise taxes, then we have a disagreement. So let's, instead, focus 
on areas where we can actually find common ground, and the common 
ground should be, as the gentleman suggests, on small business.
  Now, every economist there is will tell you that uncertainty, that 
added costs will provide an impediment to job creation. Now, I'm sure 
the gentleman has visited small business people in his district like I 
have in mine. And the kind of regulatory measures that we brought 
forward, whether it's regulations being proposed by the EPA, those 
being proposed by the NLRB, or any of the other measures, the ones that 
we passed on the floor today, these are measures to remove the 
uncertainty of added costs to our businesses, our small business men 
and women. Today's measures and this week's measures went to the fact 
that we need some common sense put back into the regulatory process.

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  We want to make sure that agencies take into consideration their 
actions and the consequences that those actions have on small 
businesses. We want to make sure that the agencies are going through a 
cost-benefit analysis that's a balanced and sensible approach. And yes, 
I think you will find agreement among economists, if you've got that 
kind of certainty, you will lend the process towards a better economy 
to create jobs.
  Mr. HOYER. I thank the gentleman for his comment. I take from his 
comment, however, that he doesn't have an economist who has said that 
these bills are going to grow jobs. I agree with him that economists 
certainly believe that over the long term certainty is a good thing. We 
all agree on that. I hope all of us agree on that, and I would like to 
accomplish that. That's one of the reasons I'm for a big deal.
  But let me give you a quote from Ben Bernanke as it relates to your 
saying we want to raise taxes. Nobody wants to raise taxes. I will tell 
my friends, I've been in office now for a long period of time, some 40-
plus years. It takes zero courage, zero courage, to spend money and not 
pay for it. We believe we ought to pay for things. That's the 
difference.
  Taxes are the money we collect to pay for things: taxes that we 
collect to pay for our national security, taxes we collect to pay for 
researchers at NIH, taxes we pay for FBI agents to protect us from 
terrorists, both domestic and foreign. Those are what our taxes are. 
Taxes are to help our kids get a college education so we can be 
competitive in the international community. It's paying for things that 
we're for.
  And I will tell my friend, I'm glad to see you come to the point 
where we're going to pay for things because very frankly, as the 
gentleman knows, we're collecting revenues at a far lesser rate than 
your budget asked to spend, than your budget, the Ryan budget, which, 
as you well know, did not balance the budget within the next 20 years 
and was all on the cut side, and the gentleman well knows was not a 
viable document. It did pass the House of Representatives; it did. I'm 
not sure it would have passed the Senate even if the Republicans had 
been in control of the Senate.
  But notwithstanding that, let me give you a quote from Ben Bernanke 
because I agree with you--and you and I have talked about this 
privately, and we're now talking about it publicly. We ought to come 
together. We ought to sit down. We ought to reason together. We ought 
to be courageous together. We ought to have the will to address the 
extraordinarily dangerous fiscal crisis that confronts us.
  Ben Bernanke said this: We aim to push our elected leaders to face 
the Nation's long-term fiscal challenges with civility, honesty, and a 
willingness to sacrifice their own reelection. This means not kicking 
the can anymore. That's why, if we abandon the sequester, that will be 
kicking the can. If we abandon trying to get a big deal, that will be 
kicking the can. This means--as he said--means reaching a deal on debt, 
revenue, and spending long before the deadline arrives this fall. Well, 
it came and it went and we failed. It means

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considering all options from entitlement programs, and the gentleman 
knows I've given a number of speeches on having to deal with the 
entitlement programs. We need to do that, but we also need to deal with 
taxes and revenues so we pay for what we buy, and we ought to tell the 
American people we can't buy that if you don't want to pay for it.
  Now, very frankly, I think in the short term, given the economic 
crisis, lack of jobs, and the struggling economy, raising additional 
revenues in that timeframe, as Bowles-Simpson and Domenici-Rivlin both 
said, is not good policy, and they would not propose that, and it has 
not been proposed, as the gentleman knows. But I would tell my friend 
that paying for things--and as the gentleman knows, one of the reasons 
we've gotten into this problem was we didn't pay for things in the last 
decade. We have bought a lot of stuff, and we didn't pay for it. We 
asked our children to pay for it because it's a delayed effect.
  We didn't pay for the wars, and we didn't pay for the prescription 
bill, and we didn't pay for the tax cuts. Simply giving up revenue, 
voting for tax cuts, and continuing to buy things is, frankly, I think 
not only not courageous but it is a disservice to this generation and 
generations yet to come
  And I yield to my friend.
  Mr. CANTOR. I thank the gentleman, and the gentleman asks what 
regulations did we put forward, bills removing impediments in the 
regulatory process. Well, I mean the Keystone Pipeline, look at that 
bill. That bill says we'll create 12,000 construction jobs right away 
if we can remove the necessary government redtape getting in the way of 
that project. So I don't see that there's any disagreement over that, 
but somehow we have your side saying that we shouldn't do that.
  And if the gentleman is so interested in paying for things--because I 
don't believe that that's an issue now because we're not saying remove 
the sequester. What we're saying is finding cuts elsewhere but imposing 
that discipline. But if we're talking about not paying for things, what 
about the stimulus? My goodness, that was an 800-plus billion dollar 
effect at the end, didn't pay for anything, and it ended up imposing 
all kinds of debt now on us and our children and theirs.
  And so I am with the gentleman: let's be courageous. Again, our 
budget was put out there. In the joint select committee process, our 
side proposed a plan to come together, and I think that the gentleman 
knows on his side there were comments made that there was never any 
coalescence on the part of the Democrats as to a way to come to some 
solution.
  So I'm for the courage, but seemingly, after looking at the three 
processes that have taken place, the Biden talks, the White House 
talks, and those between the Speaker and the President and the leader 
on the other side of the Capitol, as well as now the joint select 
committee, all of those did not come to a result. So if that's the 
case, let's then say, well, wait a minute, maybe something's not 
working here. Then let's try and see what can work and what can't work. 
We really can come together in a bipartisan way and find some things 
that we agree on. Let's set aside those big differences, and the 
President even suggested back in the spring those big differences may 
get in the way. So, fine, let's find a way for us to at least make some 
progress because some progress is better than none. So incremental 
progress is better than no progress. That's for sure.
  Mr. HOYER. I thank the gentleman for his comment, and I agree with 
it. Some progress is progress, however you describe it.
  Let me clarify, because I want to make sure in terms of coming 
together and reaching some progress; you mentioned the--I'm not sure 
that every Republican agreed to it, maybe the gentleman knows, but 
there was--Mr. Toomey put a proposal on the table which offered $300 
billion in additional revenues. Of course, that was offset by an $800 
billion increase next year in tax cuts or a net reduction of $500 
billion in revenues for next year, excuse me, for January 2013.
  Let me ask the gentleman, in reaching that, the gentleman mentioned 
entitlements. I agreed with him on entitlements, but the gentleman then 
said he's not for any increased revenues. All three of the bipartisan 
commissions, the two commissions and the Gang of Six, all three have 
said that revenues must be part of that picture. That's taxes--a fancy 
word for taxes. Does the gentleman agree with that, because that 
certainly was the basis for bipartisanship in all of three of those 
fora?
  I yield to my friend.
  Mr. CANTOR. Again, I'd say to the gentleman, I think our side has 
demonstrated--we've put forward a number of plans, both in these 
processes that we're talking about and in the joint select committee, 
as well as with our budget. And I think we come from the perspective, 
Mr. Speaker, let's fix the problem. If you don't fix the problem and 
then you want to raise taxes, especially on small businesspeople, you 
are throwing good money after bad and you're aggravating the crisis 
that is gripping this country right here and now as well, which is the 
jobs crisis.
  So, again, Mr. Speaker, I would say, let's agree to work towards 
common ground. We have laid out very well several times where 
differences are, but it's time for us to really work to transcend those 
differences and work in a bipartisan manner and see where we can come 
together. We've done it. We've done it in the House on the trade 
agreements. We've done it in the House on the 3 percent withholding 
bill. We've done it in the House when it comes to the veteran hiring 
bill. We can do this. Now, yes, it's not everything that all of us 
want, and I share the gentleman's frustration.

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  The gentleman has been here a lot longer than I have. But I will tell 
you I think the gentleman's career has been built on progress. So let's 
work towards progress again. That's all.
  Mr. HOYER. I thank the gentleman. I didn't get an answer to my 
question, however. He's gotten an answer to his ``solve the problem'' 
issue. And what he means by solving the problem is we have to deal with 
the sustainability of entitlement programs. I've adopted that premise 
myself in speeches that I've given on numerous occasions on this floor 
and in other fora around the country.
  What I'm asking him is, does he also agree--that proposition was 
adopted by all three of the fora that we have discussed--does he also 
agree, as Mr. Bernanke points out, that revenues, or taxes, however you 
want to call it, resources to pay for what we believe are priorities--
for instance, the gentleman correctly believes we need to invest in our 
national security. I feel very strongly about that.
  For 30 years I have voted on behalf of the national security of this 
Nation--to pay for it and to pursue weapons systems, personnel levels, 
strategies to assure our national security. So I have no qualms with 
saying that is a priority. If it is a priority, if it is important, it 
is important to pay for it. Paying for it is through revenues. If we 
don't pay for it, if we borrow--we're going to borrow over a trillion 
dollars to protect our country in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other places 
around the world, but particularly those two. That's important. That's 
important to do. He and I agree. But I think it's important to pay for 
it and not have my children and grandchildren pay for it, who are going 
to have to pay for their security in their time. And if we leave them 
only a legacy of deep debt, they will not be able to do so. That is an 
immoral policy, in my opinion, as well as a fiscally irresponsible 
policy.
  So I ask my friend, I understand we've got to fix the problem. What 
you're talking about is make sustainable demographics of change, costs 
of change. We have to make sustainable entitlements. But does the 
gentleman agree that a component of the solution has to be dealing with 
revenues as well?
  Mr. CANTOR. We've always said, certainly, there needs to be more 
revenue. But we need to be focused on how we can have a sustainable 
revenue flow, and that's from a growing economy.
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endorse our Republican jobs-creator agenda. And, yes, the Speaker, as 
he knows, has issued a letter with 132 economists listed on that 
letter. And I'm going to send it to the gentleman so he can be reminded 
yet again that, yes, there are plenty of economists who embrace the 
notion that if we take away the impediments that Washington has put in 
place, that we can see a growing economy and produce more revenues.
  I would say to the gentleman about his assertion about fixing the 
problem, he's correct, we need more revenues. We believe we need more 
revenues. Let's first see if we can fix the problem, because just 
paying for things by raising taxes doesn't fix the problem.
  We know the demographics of this country. We know 10,000 people every 
day turn 65 and become eligible for Medicare. We know that Medicare is 
supported by premiums and taxes paid in. And those revenues cover only 
a little over half the cost of the program. We know that means that 
every day times 10,000, you're 50 percent in the hole. You cannot tax 
your way out of that. You can't grow your way out of that. You've got 
to fix the problem.
  Back to my original notion. We're the only ones that have put a real 
fix on the table to that problem. And so what the gentleman says is, 
No, no, no, we don't want to fix the problem; we just want to tax 
people more until sometime, somewhere we come up with a solution to fix 
the problem. That's like throwing good money after bad. And raising 
taxes on small business people is going to get in the way of getting 
more revenues into Washington because you're not going to spur the 
economy into a growth mode.
  Again, Mr. Speaker, we have been over and over this for months. We 
know where our differences lie. Let's come together.
  I would say Keystone pipeline: again, the gentleman has a lot of 
support on his side for the unions in this country. They want to see 
the Keystone pipeline built. Twelve thousand new jobs right away--
almost 13,000 construction jobs. We've got manufacturing jobs and spin-
offs that will come from that. Why can't we come together on jobs?
  So, again, we can do this. We really can. It's time for us to begin 
to work together towards a productive end. Let's get America back to 
work, get this economy growing again, and then maybe we can then tackle 
some of the bigger problems that have eluded us in this quest to try 
and accomplish it all that has failed this year.
  Mr. HOYER. I thank the gentleman for his comments.
  We ought to come together on jobs. I would urge the gentleman to 
bring the President's jobs bill to the floor with such amendments, such 
changes, such improvements, such deletions as the gentleman feels 
necessary.
  The President put out a jobs bill which every economist has said will 
grow the economy, will grow jobs; and it has been languishing in this 
House since September while people are losing jobs.
  Now, the good news is we had some improvement in the economy. By the 
way, the Recovery Act worked, as the gentleman knows. I want to comment 
on his going into deficits as a result of the Recovery Act. As the 
gentleman knows--and he voted for--George Bush suggested $700 billion 
in unpaid spending to staunch the financial crisis brought on by the 
meltdown on Wall Street in September of 2008, when President Bush was 
President. He offered a bill. He didn't offer to pay for that. And we 
didn't pay for it.
  You and I both voted for it because we thought it was the responsible 
thing to do to stabilize the financial structure of this country. I 
believed we were absolutely right at that point in time. It was a very 
unpopular bill but, nevertheless, I think absolutely essential.
  So in terms of some 5 months later, confronted with the deepest 
economic crisis since Herbert Hoover, we acted. We acted with the 
Recovery Act. And the Recovery Act has worked. It was not as big as 
some asked it to be, but it created some 2 million jobs over the last 
36 months. It has not been as robust because we lost 8 million jobs. So 
if you add 3 million back, you lose 8 million, you haven't gotten to 
where you need to be.
  But I tell my friend that we ought to come together. We ought to 
reach agreement. We ought to reach a balanced agreement. Your side 
thinks when we talk about balance, we're talking about revenues. He's 
right. But when we talk about balance, we're also talking about fixing 
the problem the gentleman talks about. We're talking about a balanced 
deal.
  I would urge my friend in these coming few days that we have left, 
where we're apparently going to do either a CR or an omnibus 
appropriation bill--and we were criticized greatly for not doing every 
appropriation bill individually. You have an appropriation bill, as the 
gentleman knows, that hasn't even passed subcommittee much less full 
committee or the floor of the House. But we need to get those bills 
done because it will give certainty and confidence to the American 
people that we can work together. I'm hopeful that over the next few 
days that we can, in fact, do that.
  I would urge my friend to let us keep the discipline of the sequester 
in everybody's mind because we don't want that alternative. But we want 
to have that as the alternative to people so that we can give 
incentives to work together to summon the courage, to summon the 
judgment to reach an agreement which will get our country on the right 
track and give our citizens the confidence in their government that we 
wish they would have.
  But they will only have it if we do, as the gentleman suggests, come 
together and work constructively toward a balanced package not only in 
terms of a fiscal package, but appropriations.
  Let me say as well on appropriations, this side of the aisle did what 
your side of the aisle didn't do over the last 4 years when we were in 
charge. We made sure those bills passed. Your bills had your levels 
that we agreed on. And we congratulate you on sticking with the 
agreement we reached. I will tell my friend we will do so again if you 
do not put in the riders that Mr. Boehner and your Pledge to America 
said ought not to be in must-pass bills.
  You will recall, I'm sure, that Mr. Boehner said we ought not to have 
extraneous controversial items which are not germane in bills that must 
pass. We ought to consider those on their merits. And I will tell my 
friend that if you do that, as the whip, as I have done on the two CRs 
we passed, on the debt limit extension we passed, and on the omnibus, 
or the ``minibus'' that we just passed, I will help you get those 
through. We will work together, and America will have greater 
confidence in us if we do that.
  I yield to my friend.

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  Mr. CANTOR. I just want to thank the gentleman, and I look forward to 
working with him over the next 2 weeks.
  I just want to clarify, no one is talking about removing the 
sequester, absolutely not. The gentleman knows where I stand on that. 
I'm talking about making sure that we come together to find the cuts 
commensurate with those aimed at the Defense Department, and in lieu of 
those cuts, putting others in place so we can maintain our priority of 
the national defense of this country.
  Mr. HOYER. I will assure the majority leader that we will maintain 
our flexibility on schedule.
  I yield back the balance of my time.

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