[Congressional Record (Bound Edition), Volume 156 (2010), Part 6]
[Senate]
[Pages 8369-8406]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]




     RESTORING AMERICAN FINANCIAL STABILITY ACT OF 2010--Continued


                        Antipersonnel Landmines

  Mr. LEAHY. Mr. President, earlier today I, along with 67 other 
Senators, sent a letter to President Obama on an issue that has 
concerned the Congress since the late 1980s.
  Our letter, signed by more than two-thirds of the Senate, commends 
the President for conducting a comprehensive review of the U.S. 
Government's policy on antipersonnel mines. That review has been 
underway for some time, and I expect it will be completed later this 
summer.
  It has involved consultations with the Department of Defense 
including active and retired U.S. military officers, the Department of 
State including current and former U.S. diplomats, key military allies, 
and humanitarian and arms control organizations. The review has 
examined the historical record, asked rigorous questions, and solicited 
a wide range of views.
  I want to thank the Senators who joined me and Senator Voinovich in 
signing this letter, which states our belief that through a thorough, 
deliberative review the administration can identify any obstacles to 
joining the Ottawa Treaty banning the production, use, transfer and 
stockpiling of antipersonnel mines, and develop a plan to overcome them 
as soon as possible.
  The treaty has been signed by 158 countries, including our NATO 
allies whose troops are fighting with our forces in Afghanistan and 
Iraq, and by every other country in this hemisphere except Cuba.
  This issue has a long history, and I do not have time to recount it 
in detail today. But suffice it to say that 13 years ago the United 
States missed an opportunity to play a leadership role in the 
international effort to ban antipersonnel mines, which culminated in 
the treaty. Although our country declined to join the treaty then, as 
early as 1994 President Clinton announced to the United Nations General 
Assembly his support for ridding the world of antipersonnel mines, and 
a plan to develop alternatives to these weapons with the intent of 
joining the treaty by 2006.
  That date came and went, alternatives were developed, and U.S. troops 
have fought in two wars without, to the best of our knowledge, using 
these weapons. In the meantime, most of our closest allies have 
renounced antipersonnel mines, and their militaries long ago made the 
necessary doctrinal and technological adjustments to meet their force 
protection needs in accordance with the requirements of the treaty.
  Antipersonnel landmines, which are triggered by the victim, have no 
place in the arsenal of a modern military. They function like some of 
the IEDs used by insurgents in Afghanistan and Iraq that have caused so 
many casualties of innocent people, as well as U.S. and coalition 
forces. Landmines are inherently indiscriminate, and no matter how 
sophisticated the technology they do not distinguish between a 
combatant and a civilian. They can be dropped by aircraft or disbursed 
by artillery by the thousands over wide areas. In today's fast moving 
battlefield where mobility is a priority, they can pose as much of a 
danger to our own forces as to the enemy.
  Thirteen years ago the Pentagon argued that we should continue to 
stockpile antipersonnel mines. They said these weapons might be 
necessary in Korea or in a mechanized war against enemy armor.
  But ownership and control of the mines in the Korean DMZ have been 
transferred to South Korea, and the

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United States has renounced the use of these types of mines, including 
in Korea. While there is the possibility that one day we may find 
ourselves in a conventional war against a major world power, 
antipersonnel landmines would have little if any utility or relevance 
in such a war. Rather than our own troops needing these weapons, if our 
adversary were so lacking in more effective weapons as to use them, our 
troops would not need antipersonnel mines they would need effective 
countermine technology.
  There have been other arguments made, none of which are persuasive. 
For example:
  Some have asked, after landmines what is the next weapon the Pentagon 
will be asked to give up? Isn't this a slippery slope for those seeking 
to ban other types of weapons? This hypothetical question has nothing 
to do with antipersonnel landmines, which are in a unique category of 
weapons that are designed to be triggered by the victim.
  They are not like bullets or bombs that are aimed or targeted by a 
soldier. They are inherently indiscriminate, activated by whoever comes 
into contact with them, whether an enemy soldier, a refugee woman 
searching for firewood, or a child. Renouncing landmines should have no 
bearing on U.S. policy toward other weapons.
  I have heard it asked how we can ensure that our troops can operate 
in coalitions with countries that are not parties to the treaty, for 
example South Korea. The answer is the same way as the NATO countries 
that have signed the treaty whose troops are fighting in coalition with 
our forces in Afghanistan and Iraq.
  Why join the treaty when we are in de facto compliance already? What 
would we gain at this point? First, this question implicitly 
acknowledges that the United States does not require antipersonnel 
landmines. We have not used them since 1991, we have not exported them 
since 1992, we have not produced them since 1997 and the Pentagon has 
no plan to do so in the future.
  It is important to recognize that the United States is not causing 
the mine problem today, although mines we exported to dozens of 
countries, or that are left over from past wars involving U.S. forces 
especially in Southeast Asia, continue to kill and injure civilians.
  But most importantly, it would be a mistake to underestimate or 
devalue the positive reaction, practical effects and depth of goodwill 
toward the United States and our military that would result from 
joining the treaty. Other countries know the United States, the world's 
most powerful nation, needs to be part of multilateral agreements if 
those agreements are to achieve their goals. And they know the United 
States needs to be part of the solution to the landmine problem, which 
means more than conforming our policy to the treaty and it means more 
than joining the treaty. It means actively using our influence to 
persuade other counties to join. Countries like India and Pakistan, 
China and Russia, Israel and Egypt today make the excuse that the 
United States has not joined, so why should they?
  One particularly farfetched notion is that giving up landmines while 
Russia, China and other potential adversaries keep theirs is at odds 
with our usual arms control strategy, which seeks to use disarmament 
agreements as a means of enhancing U.S. security. This makes sense in 
the context of long-range missiles and nuclear bombs, but antipersonnel 
landmines? We have not used these weapons for 19 years, and no one can 
credibly argue that they are necessary to protect the national security 
of the United States or that our security is threatened by China's and 
Russia's antipersonnel landmines which are deployed along their common 
border.
  Today, the United States is the largest contributor to humanitarian 
demining, a fact I am proud of, and I have been asked if by joining the 
treaty we would feel less obligated to support it. This question is 
nonsensical to me. Speaking as the chairman of the Appropriations 
subcommittee that funds these programs, whether or not we are a party 
to the treaty has nothing to do with our interest and responsibility in 
helping get rid of the millions of mines and other unexploded ordnance 
that litter and plague dozens of countries, including allies like 
Jordan, Afghanistan and Vietnam whose citizens continue to lose their 
lives and limbs from these hidden killers. Some of those mines and 
bombs were manufactured here and left behind by U.S. forces decades 
ago.
  Some might ask why bother developing a plan to join the treaty, since 
the fact that 68 Senators signed a letter supporting it does not 
guarantee that two-thirds of the Senate will vote to ratify it. It is 
true that no one can guarantee what the U.S. Senate will do about 
treaties or anything else. But that is hardly a reason not to join. The 
fact that more than two-thirds of the Senate today supports such a 
policy, including 10 Republicans and 2 Independents, should certainly 
give momentum to doing so, and convey to the President that the treaty 
would find wide acceptance in the Senate.
  Finally, I have heard it suggested that U.S. troops might need 
antipersonnel mines in Afghanistan. I find it hard to imagine that the 
United States, which has spent hundreds of millions of dollars to get 
rid of mines left over from past wars in Afghanistan that have killed 
and injured more civilians than in any other country, at a time when 
our military leaders are trying to minimize civilian casualties which 
have caused so many Afghans to turn against us, would use antipersonnel 
landmines in Afghanistan--a party to the treaty--and risk the public 
outcry that would result.
  We could debate whether the United States should have joined the 
Ottawa Convention 13 years ago, but there is no point in that. The 
question today is why not now? Many years have passed and we have seen 
the benefits of the treaty. The number of antipersonnel mines produced 
and exported has plummeted, as has the number of victims.
  But landmines remain a deadly legacy in many countries, and the world 
needs the leadership of the United States to help universalize the 
treaty and put an end to the time when antipersonnel landmines were an 
acceptable weapon. It will not happen overnight, but it will never 
happen without U.S. support. As President Obama said in his acceptance 
speech for the Nobel Peace Prize, ``I am convinced that adhering to 
standards, international standards, strengthens those who do, and 
isolates and weakens those who don't.'' We are fortunate to have a 
President, and top leaders at the Pentagon and commanders on the 
battlefield, who recognize that civilians far too often bear the brunt 
of war's misery, and who believe that we can and must do more to 
prevent it. There is no better way to begin implementing that important 
principle, and working toward that goal, than by joining the Ottawa 
Treaty.
  The United States is by far the world's strongest military power. We 
also have the moral authority that no other country has and the 
obligation to use that authority in ways that set an example for the 
rest of the world. It was 16 years ago that President Clinton embraced 
the goal of ridding the world of these indiscriminate weapons. The 
Obama administration's review of U.S. policy can finally turn that goal 
into reality.
  I ask unanimous consent that a copy of the letter sent to President 
Obama be printed in the Record.
  There being no objection, the material was ordered to be printed in 
the Record, as follows:

                                                  U.S. Senate,

                                     Washington, DC, May 18, 2010.
     Hon. Barack Obama,
     The White House,
     Washington, DC.
       Dear Mr. President, we are writing to convey our strong 
     support for the Administration's decision to conduct a 
     comprehensive review of United States policy on landmines. 
     The Second Review Conference of the Convention on the 
     Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer 
     of Anti-Personnel Mines and on Their Destruction, held last 
     December in Cartagena, Colombia, makes this review 
     particularly timely. It is also consistent with your 
     commitment to reaffirm U.S. leadership in solving global 
     problems and with your remarks in

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     Oslo when you accepted the Nobel Peace Prize: ``I am 
     convinced that adhering to standards, international 
     standards, strengthens those who do, and isolates and weakens 
     those who don't.''
       These indiscriminate weapons are triggered by the victim, 
     and even those that are designed to self-destruct after a 
     period of time (so-called ``smart'' mines) pose a risk of 
     being triggered by U.S. forces or civilians, such as a farmer 
     working in the fields or a young child. It is our 
     understanding that the United States has not exported anti-
     personnel mines since 1992, has not produced anti-personnel 
     mines since 1997, and has not used anti-personnel mines since 
     1991. We are also proud that the United States is the world's 
     largest contributor to humanitarian demining and 
     rehabilitation programs for landmine survivors.
       In the ten years since the Convention came into force, 158 
     nations have signed including the United Kingdom and other 
     ISAF partners, as well as Iraq and Afghanistan which, like 
     Colombia, are parties to the Convention and have suffered 
     thousands of mine casualties. The Convention has led to a 
     dramatic decline in the use, production, and export of anti-
     personnel mines.
       We note that our NATO allies have addressed their force 
     protection needs in accordance with their obligations under 
     the Convention. We are also mindful that anti-personnel mines 
     pose grave dangers to civilians, and that avoiding civilian 
     casualties and the anger and resentment that result has 
     become a key priority in building public support for our 
     mission in Afghanistan. Finally, we are aware that anti-
     personnel mines in the Korean DMZ are South Korean mines, and 
     that the U.S. has alternative munitions that are not victim-
     activated.
       We believe the Administration's review should include 
     consultations with the Departments of Defense and State as 
     well as retired senior U.S. military officers and diplomats, 
     allies such as Canada and the United Kingdom that played a 
     key role in the negotiations on the Convention, Members of 
     Congress, the International Committee of the Red Cross, and 
     other experts on landmines, humanitarian law and arms 
     control.
       We are confident that through a thorough, deliberative 
     review the Administration can identify any obstacles to 
     joining the Convention and develop a plan to overcome them as 
     soon as possible.
       Sincerely,
         Patrick Leahy, George V. Voinovich, Richard G. Lugar, 
           John F. Kerry, Jack Reed, Orrin G. Hatch, Daniel K. 
           Inouye, Carl Levin, Olympia J. Snowe, Charles E. 
           Schumer, Joseph I. Lieberman, Robert F. Bennett, Jeff 
           Bingaman, Dianne Feinstein, Susan M. Collins, Ben 
           Nelson, Max Baucus, Lisa Murkowski, Judd Gregg, Robert 
           Menendez, Arlen Specter, Barbara A. Mikulski, Sheldon 
           Whitehouse, Christopher J. Dodd, Harry Reid, Sherrod 
           Brown, Benjamin L. Cardin, Kent Conrad, Mike Crapo, 
           Bill Nelson, Richard J. Durbin, Patty Murray, Ron 
           Wyden, Blanche L. Lincoln, Byron Dorgan, Mark Warner, 
           Evan Bayh, George S. LeMieux, Michael F. Bennet, Mary 
           L. Landrieu, Russell D. Feingold, Tim Johnson, Maria 
           Cantwell, Thomas R. Carper, Herb Kohl, Kirsten E. 
           Gillibrand, Robert C. Byrd, Frank R. Lautenberg, Jon 
           Tester, John D. Rockefeller IV, Edward E. Kaufman, 
           Daniel K. Akaka, Mark L. Pryor, Kay R. Hagan, Tom 
           Udall, Jeanne Shaheen, Claire McCaskill, Al Franken, 
           Mark Udall, Jeff Merkley, Debbie Stabenow, Robert P. 
           Casey, Jr., Mark Begich, Amy Klobuchar, Tom Harkin, 
           Barbara Boxer, Roland W. Burris, Bernard Sanders.

  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Kansas is recognized.


                Amendment No. 3997 to Amendment No. 3739

  Mr. BROWNBACK. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the 
pending business be set aside and my amendment No. 3997 be called up.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection?
  Mr. DODD. Mr. President, reserving the right to object, I understand 
the amendment is dealing with the Congo that is being offered by my 
colleague from Kansas and the Senator from Maryland. Is that correct?
  Mr. BROWNBACK. The Senator from Wisconsin and the Senator from 
Illinois are the cosponsors on this one.
  Mr. DODD. This is a good amendment and one that I believe has great 
value. It has been agreed to across the spectrum in the Senate. So if 
we can get a quick voice vote, I am prepared to do so.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  The clerk will report.
  The assistant bill clerk read as follows:

       The Senator from Kansas [Mr. Brownback], for himself, Mr. 
     Feingold, Mr. Durbin, Mr. Specter, Mr. Brown of Ohio, Mr. 
     Johnson, Mr. Whitehouse, Mr. Lautenberg, Mrs. Boxer, and Mr. 
     Merkley, proposes an amendment numbered 3997 to amendment 
     number 3739.

  Mr. BROWNBACK. I ask unanimous consent that the reading of the 
amendment be dispensed with.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  The amendment is as follows:

   (Purpose: To require annual disclosure by certain persons to the 
Securities and Exchange Commission if columbite-tantalite, cassiterite, 
gold, or wolframite from the Democratic Republic of Congo are necessary 
  to the functionality or production of a product manufactured by the 
                                person)

       On page 1565, after line 23, add the following:

                  TITLE XIII--CONGO CONFLICT MINERALS

     SEC. 1301. SENSE OF CONGRESS ON EXPLOITATION AND TRADE OF 
                   COLUMBITE-TANTALITE, CASSITERITE, GOLD, AND 
                   WOLFRAMITE ORIGINATING IN DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC 
                   OF CONGO.

       It is the sense of Congress that the exploitation and trade 
     of columbite-tantalite, cassiterite, gold, and wolframite in 
     the eastern Democratic Republic of Congo is helping to 
     finance extreme levels of violence in the eastern Democratic 
     Republic of Congo, particularly sexual and gender-based 
     violence, and contributing to an emergency humanitarian 
     situation therein, warranting the provisions of section 13(o) 
     of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as added by section 
     1302.

     SEC. 1302. DISCLOSURE TO SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION 
                   RELATING TO COLUMBITE-TANTALITE, CASSITERITE, 
                   GOLD, AND WOLFRAMITE ORIGINATING IN DEMOCRATIC 
                   REPUBLIC OF CONGO.

       Section 13 of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 (15 
     U.S.C. 78m), as amended by section 763 of this Act, is 
     further amended by adding at the end the following new 
     subsection:
       ``(o) Disclosures to Commission Relating to Columbite-
     tantalite, Cassiterite, Gold, and Wolframite Originating in 
     Democratic Republic of Congo.--
       ``(1) In general.--Not later than 180 days after the date 
     of the enactment of this subsection, the Commission shall 
     promulgate rules requiring any person described in paragraph 
     (2)--
       ``(A) to disclose annually to the Commission in a report--
       ``(i) whether the columbite-tantalite, cassiterite, gold, 
     or wolframite that was necessary as described in paragraph 
     (2)(A)(ii) in the year for which such report is submitted 
     originated or may have originated in the Democratic Republic 
     of Congo or an adjoining country; and
       ``(ii) a description of the measures taken by the person, 
     which may include an independent audit, to exercise due 
     diligence on the source and chain of custody of such 
     columbite-tantalite, cassiterite, gold, or wolframite, or 
     derivatives of such minerals, in order to ensure that the 
     activities of such person that involve such minerals or 
     derivatives did not directly or indirectly finance or benefit 
     armed groups in the Democratic Republic of Congo or an 
     adjoining country; and
       ``(B) make the information disclosed under subparagraph (A) 
     available to the public on the Internet website of the 
     person.
       ``(2) Person described.--
       ``(A) In general.--A person is described in this paragraph 
     if--
       ``(i) the person is required to file reports to the 
     Commission under subsection (a)(2); and
       ``(ii) columbite-tantalite, cassiterite, gold, or 
     wolframite is necessary to the functionality or production of 
     a product manufactured by such person.
       ``(B) Derivatives.--For purposes of this paragraph, if a 
     derivative of a mineral is necessary to the functionality or 
     production of a product manufactured by a person, such 
     mineral shall also be considered necessary to the 
     functionality or production of a product manufactured by the 
     person.
       ``(3) Revisions and waivers.--The Commission shall revise 
     or temporarily waive the requirements described in paragraph 
     (1) if the President determines that such revision or waiver 
     is in the public interest.
       ``(4) Termination of disclosure requirements.--
       ``(A) In general.--Except as provided in subparagraph (B), 
     the requirements of paragraph (1) shall terminate on the date 
     that is 5 years after the date of the enactment of this 
     subsection.
       ``(B) Extension by secretary of state.--The date described 
     in subparagraph (A) shall be extended by 1 year for each year 
     in which the Secretary of State certifies that armed parties 
     to the ongoing armed conflict in the Democratic Republic of 
     Congo or adjoining countries continue to be directly involved 
     and benefitting from commercial activity involving columbite-
     tantalite, cassiterite, gold, or wolframite.
       ``(5) Adjoining country defined.--In this subsection, the 
     term `adjoining country', with respect to the Democratic 
     Republic of Congo, means a country that shares an 
     internationally recognized border with the Democratic 
     Republic of Congo.''.

     SEC. 1303. REPORT.

       Not later than 2 years after the date of the enactment of 
     this Act, the Comptroller General of the United States shall 
     submit to Congress a report that includes the following:

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       (1) An assessment of the effectiveness of section 13(o) of 
     the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as added by section 
     1302, in promoting peace and security in the eastern 
     Democratic Republic of Congo.
       (2) A description of the problems, if any, encountered by 
     the Securities and Exchange Commission in carrying out the 
     provisions of such section 13(o).
       (3) A description of the adverse impacts of carrying out 
     the provisions of such section 13(o), if any, on communities 
     in the eastern Democratic Republic of Congo.
       (4) Recommendations for legislative or regulatory actions 
     that can be taken--
       (A) to improve the effectiveness of the provisions of such 
     section 13(o) to promote peace and security in the eastern 
     Democratic Republic of Congo;
       (B) to resolve the problems described pursuant to paragraph 
     (2), if any; and
       (C) to mitigate the adverse impacts described pursuant 
     paragraph (3), if any.

  Mr. BROWNBACK. This is an issue that has been around for several 
years. It is on Congo conflict commodities. It is a narrow SEC 
reporting requirement. As I understand, both sides have cleared it. I 
would ask, if possible, if we can get it up for a voice vote. I 
certainly want to go with the timeframes of the manager and be 
cognizant of the Senator from Tennessee.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The question is on agreeing to the amendment.
  The amendment (No. 3997) was agreed to.
  Mr. DODD. Mr. President, I move to reconsider that vote and lay that 
motion upon the table.
  The motion to lay upon the table was agreed to.
  Mr. DODD. Mr. President, what is the pending business now?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The next amendment in order is the Corker 
amendment.
  Mr. DODD. There is 30 minutes equally divided between the proponents 
and opponents of that and the Carper amendment?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. That is correct.
  The Senator from Tennessee.


                Amendment No. 4034 to Amendment No. 3739

  Mr. CORKER. Mr. President, I hope I have the good fortune our Senator 
from Kansas just had. I ask unanimous consent to call up amendment No. 
4034.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will report.
  The legislative clerk read as follows:

       The Senator from Tennessee [Mr. Corker] proposes an 
     amendment numbered 4034 to amendment No. 3739.

  The amendment is as follows:

  (Purpose: To address the applicability of certain State authorities 
        with respect to national banks, and for other purposes)

       On page 1315, strike line 18, and all that follows through 
     page 1325, line 20 and insert the following:
       ``(B) the State consumer financial law is preempted in 
     accordance with the legal standards of the decision of the 
     Supreme Court in Barnett Bank v. Nelson (517 U.S. 25 (1996)), 
     and any preemption determination under this subparagraph may 
     be made by a court or by regulation or order of the 
     Comptroller of the Currency, on a case-by-case basis, in 
     accordance with applicable law; or
       ``(C) the State consumer financial law is preempted by a 
     provision of Federal law other than this title.
       ``(2) Savings clause.--This title does not preempt, annul, 
     or affect the applicability of any State law to any 
     subsidiary or affiliate of a national bank (other than a 
     subsidiary or affiliate that is chartered as a national 
     bank).
       ``(3) Case-by-case basis.--
       ``(A) Definition.--As used in this section the term `case-
     by-case basis' refers to a determination pursuant to this 
     section made by the Comptroller concerning the impact of a 
     particular State consumer financial law on any national bank 
     that is subject to that law, or the law of any other State 
     with substantively equivalent terms.
       ``(B) Consultation.--When making a determination on a case-
     by-case basis that a State consumer financial law of another 
     State has substantively equivalent terms as one that the 
     Comptroller is preempting, the Comptroller shall first 
     consult with the Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection and 
     shall take the views of the Bureau into account when making 
     the determination.
       ``(4) Rule of construction.--This title does not occupy the 
     field in any area of State law.
       ``(5) Standards of review.--
       ``(A) Preemption.--A court reviewing any determinations 
     made by the Comptroller regarding preemption of a State law 
     by this title shall assess the validity of such 
     determinations, depending upon the thoroughness evident in 
     the consideration of the agency, the validity of the 
     reasoning of the agency, the consistency with other valid 
     determinations made by the agency, and other factors which 
     the court finds persuasive and relevant to its decision.
       ``(B) Savings clause.--Except as provided in subparagraph 
     (A), nothing in this section shall affect the deference that 
     a court may afford to the Comptroller in making 
     determinations regarding the meaning or interpretation of 
     title LXII of the Revised Statutes of the United States or 
     other Federal laws.
       ``(6) Comptroller determination not delegable.--Any 
     regulation, order, or determination made by the Comptroller 
     of the Currency under paragraph (1)(B) shall be made by the 
     Comptroller, and shall not be delegable to another officer or 
     employee of the Comptroller of the Currency.
       ``(c) Substantial Evidence.--No regulation or order of the 
     Comptroller of the Currency prescribed under subsection 
     (b)(1)(B), shall be interpreted or applied so as to 
     invalidate, or otherwise declare inapplicable to a national 
     bank, the provision of the State consumer financial law, 
     unless substantial evidence, made on the record of the 
     proceeding, supports the specific finding regarding the 
     preemption of such provision in accordance with the legal 
     standard of the decision of the Supreme Court of the United 
     States in Barnett Bank of Marion County, N.A. v. Nelson, 
     Florida Insurance Commissioner, et al., 517 U.S. 25 (1996).
       ``(d) Periodic Review of Preemption Determinations.--
       ``(1) In general.--The Comptroller of the Currency shall 
     periodically conduct a review, through notice and public 
     comment, of each determination that a provision of Federal 
     law preempts a State consumer financial law. The agency shall 
     conduct such review within the 5-year period after 
     prescribing or otherwise issuing such determination, and at 
     least once during each 5-year period thereafter. After 
     conducting the review of, and inspecting the comments made 
     on, the determination, the agency shall publish a notice in 
     the Federal Register announcing the decision to continue or 
     rescind the determination or a proposal to amend the 
     determination. Any such notice of a proposal to amend a 
     determination and the subsequent resolution of such proposal 
     shall comply with the procedures set forth in subsections (a) 
     and (b) of section 5244 of the Revised Statutes of the United 
     States (12 U.S.C. 43 (a), (b)).
       ``(2) Reports to congress.--At the time of issuing a review 
     conducted under paragraph (1), the Comptroller of the 
     Currency shall submit a report regarding such review to the 
     Committee on Financial Services of the House of 
     Representatives and the Committee on Banking, Housing, and 
     Urban Affairs of the Senate. The report submitted to the 
     respective committees shall address whether the agency 
     intends to continue, rescind, or propose to amend any 
     determination that a provision of Federal law preempts a 
     State consumer financial law, and the reasons therefor.
       ``(e) Application of State Consumer Financial Law to 
     Subsidiaries and Affiliates.--Notwithstanding any provision 
     of this title, a State consumer financial law shall apply to 
     a subsidiary or affiliate of a national bank (other than a 
     subsidiary or affiliate that is chartered as a national bank) 
     to the same extent that the State consumer financial law 
     applies to any person, corporation, or other entity subject 
     to such State law.
       ``(f) Preservation of Powers Related to Charging 
     Interest.--No provision of this title shall be construed as 
     altering or otherwise affecting the authority conferred by 
     section 5197 of the Revised Statutes of the United States (12 
     U.S.C. 85) for the charging of interest by a national bank at 
     the rate allowed by the laws of the State, territory, or 
     district where the bank is located, including with respect to 
     the meaning of `interest' under such provision.
       ``(g) Transparency of OCC Preemption Determinations.--The 
     Comptroller of the Currency shall publish and update no less 
     frequently than quarterly, a list of preemption 
     determinations by the Comptroller of the Currency then in 
     effect that identifies the activities and practices covered 
     by each determination and the requirements and constraints 
     determined to be preempted.''.
       (b) Clerical Amendment.--The table of sections for chapter 
     one of title LXII of the Revised Statutes of the United 
     States is amended by inserting after the item relating to 
     section 5136B the following new item:

``Sec. 5136C. State law preemption standards for national banks and 
              subsidiaries clarified.''.

     SEC. 1045. CLARIFICATION OF LAW APPLICABLE TO NONDEPOSITORY 
                   INSTITUTION SUBSIDIARIES.

       Section 5136C of the Revised Statutes of the United States 
     (as added by this subtitle) is amended by adding at the end 
     the following:
       ``(i) Clarification of Law Applicable to Nondepository 
     Institution Subsidiaries and Affiliates of National Banks.--
       ``(1) Definitions.--For purposes of this subsection, the 
     terms `depository institution', `subsidiary', and `affiliate' 
     have the same meanings as in section 3 of the Federal Deposit 
     Insurance Act.

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       ``(2) Rule of construction.--No provision of this title 
     shall be construed as preempting, annulling, or affecting the 
     applicability of State law to any subsidiary, affiliate, or 
     agent of a national bank (other than a subsidiary, affiliate, 
     or agent that is chartered as a national bank).''.

     SEC. 1046. STATE LAW PREEMPTION STANDARDS FOR FEDERAL SAVINGS 
                   ASSOCIATIONS AND SUBSIDIARIES CLARIFIED.

       (a) In General.--The Home Owners' Loan Act (12 U.S.C. 1461 
     et seq.) is amended by inserting after section 5 the 
     following new section:

     ``SEC. 6. STATE LAW PREEMPTION STANDARDS FOR FEDERAL SAVINGS 
                   ASSOCIATIONS CLARIFIED.

       ``(a) In General.--Any determination by a court or by the 
     Director or any successor officer or agency regarding the 
     relation of State law to a provision of this Act or any 
     regulation or order prescribed under this Act shall be made 
     in accordance with the laws and legal standards applicable to 
     national banks regarding the preemption of State law.
       ``(b) Principles of Conflict Preemption Applicable.--
     Notwithstanding the authorities granted under sections 4 and 
     5, this Act does not occupy the field in any area of State 
     law.''.
       (b) Clerical Amendment.--The table of sections for the Home 
     Owners' Loan Act (12 U.S.C. 1461 et seq.) is amended by 
     striking the item relating to section 6 and inserting the 
     following new item:

``Sec. 6. State law preemption standards for Federal savings 
              associations and subsidiaries clarified.''.

     SEC. 1047. VISITORIAL STANDARDS FOR NATIONAL BANKS AND 
                   SAVINGS ASSOCIATIONS.

       (a) National Banks.--Section 5136C of the Revised Statutes 
     of the United States (as added by this subtitle) is amended 
     by adding at the end the following:
       ``(j) Visitorial Powers.--
       ``(1) In general.--In accordance with the decision of the 
     Supreme Court of the United States in Cuomo v. Clearing House 
     Assn., L. L. C., 5 (129 S. Ct. 2710 (2009)), no provision of 
     this title which relates to visitorial powers or otherwise 
     limits or restricts the visitorial authority to which any 
     national bank is subject shall be construed as limiting or 
     restricting the authority of any attorney general (or other 
     chief law enforcement officer) of any State to bring an 
     action in a court of appropriate jurisdiction to enforce an 
     applicable nonpreempted State law against a national bank, as 
     authorized by such law, and to seek relief as authorized by 
     such law.
       ``(2) Exclusion.--The powers granted to State attorneys 
     general and State regulators under section 1042 of the 
     Restoring American Financial Stability Act of 2010 shall not 
     apply to any national bank, or any subsidiary thereof, 
     regulated by the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency.
       ``(k) Enforcement Actions.--The ability of the Comptroller 
     of the Currency to bring an enforcement action under this 
     title or section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act does 
     not preclude any private party from enforcing rights granted 
     under Federal or State law in the courts.''.
       (b) Savings Associations.--Section 6 of the Home Owners' 
     Loan Act (as added by this title) is amended by adding at the 
     end the following:
       ``(c) Visitorial Powers.--The provisions of sections 
     5136C(j) of the Revised Statutes of the United States shall 
     apply to Federal savings associations, and any subsidiary 
     thereof, to the same extent and in the same manner as if such 
     savings associations, or subsidiaries thereof, were national 
     banks or subsidiaries of national banks, respectively.

  Mr. CORKER. Mr. President, I know we have two side-by-side 
amendments. I know the Senator from Delaware, Mr. Carper, has an 
amendment which, by the way, I hope everyone on my side of the aisle 
will support. It has to do with Federal preemption. I think it is a 
good amendment. I do not think it goes far enough.
  Let me speak to the differences. First of all, both the Carper 
amendment and the Corker amendment deal with the fact that if there is 
a Federal law relating to our banking system, that cannot be preempted, 
generally speaking, by State law. I think that is a good step in the 
right direction. Certainly, I commend Senator Carper for doing that.
  It is something that, by the way, our national banks obviously fully 
support. They want the ability to operate around the country and know 
that the rules of the road are basically going to be the same. Where 
the Carper amendment falls short, and my amendment deals with an issue, 
is the fact that there are 50 State AGs around the country who, as a 
result of the Dodd bill, are going to be turned loose on our community 
banks.
  What I mean by that is, the consumer protection agency, as it has 
been created in the Dodd bill, has no check and balance. It has a very 
large budget. It is renting space, if you will, at the Federal Reserve. 
So it has no prudential regulator that is overseeing the rules that it 
creates.
  This consumer protection agency has the ability to write rules with 
no veto authority against the safety and soundness of financial 
institutions. Then it has the ability to enforce those rules. A lot of 
my friends on the other side of the aisle, and certainly people on my 
side of the aisle, have sought to protect community banks from this 
consumer protection agency. Let's face it. A big part of that was to 
build political support for this bill so that community bankers all 
across our country would rally because they were not necessarily going 
to be directly under the enforcement of consumer protection.
  But the Dodd bill does something else that is very detrimental. That 
is why they still are very concerned. It allows the 50 State AGs around 
this country to take actions against credit unions, to take actions 
against community banks, based on the rules that this consumer 
protection agency creates.
  So here we are, we are going to create an organization that has no 
real check and balance against the rules that it writes. Then when it 
writes a rule, an AG in Tennessee or an AG in Alabama or an AG in 
Delaware or Connecticut can take action against a community bank over 
these rules.
  So it does not matter anymore that this consumer protection agency 
does not enforce directly against that. Instead, what we have is these 
AGs all around the country who now will be suing credit unions, suing 
small banks over rules this Federal agency is creating that has no 
check and balance against it.
  I find that very cumbersome. But to add to that, the Dodd bill adds 
language called ``abusive.'' In other words, there is a new standard 
that is going to be created and be the law of the land, a new standard 
called ``abusive'' that is very vague. By the way, this ``abusive'' 
language comes in after the fact.
  So what it means is, if party A and party B enter into a deal and an 
AG decides that under this abusive standard one party has been 
aggrieved--this is after the fact--then whatever contract they have 
entered into, if it was a loan, for instance, which is likely to be the 
case, that loan is totally done away with. You cannot enforce against 
it.
  I think this is one of the worst attributes of this bill. The fact 
that community bankers all across this country in some ways may have 
thought originally that they were not going to get caught up in this 
consumer protection agency--oh, no, that is not the case. The fact is, 
again, 50 AGs around this country--not based on statutes, based on 
rules--in other words, you know they have the enumerated statutes in 
this bill under which they can make rules. Then there has been some 
added in title X--the definition of ``abusive,'' which, again, is very 
vague, added into this.
  But this agency is an agency I believe is going to be very proactive, 
and I think that is why most people on the other side of the aisle are 
so excited about this. That is why the White House is very excited 
about this. They know this is another one of those cases--let no crisis 
go to waste. We have the opportunity now, because of this crisis, to 
create this czar, this czar that has no board, and under statutes that 
are already passed, and some that we are going to pass if this bill 
passes. This agency can then make rules.
  I want to say this one more time. They are going to make rules, and 
then every AG in the country is going to have the ability, after 
contracts have been entered into, to say: No, that is abusive, and to 
basically void those.
  This is going to create so much uncertainty out there. Again, to have 
an organization like this, unfettered, dealing with these types of 
issues, and then for the first time, for the first time in years, 
allowing those State AGs to take actions against some of these smaller 
institutions, I know people in Tennessee--it is not the people on Wall 
Street. I think we know CitiGroup and Goldman have all come out and 
said they support this bill.
  Why not? The big guys always do better when we create regulations. It 
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the small guys back in my State who have great concerns. I just want to 
say, this is one of the most dangerous and problematic attributes of 
this bill.
  So in the name of ensuring that our community banks and credit unions 
and other small institutions across our country are not abused, are not 
abused as it relates to this bill, what I hope will happen is that 
people will not only support the Carper amendment, which does half the 
job--when you have a bill like this, certainly I support half a loaf of 
improvement. I hope they will support the Carper amendment, but I hope 
my friends on the other side of the aisle will join what I believe will 
be almost everyone on this side of the aisle to ensure that those very 
people we talk about, talk about back home, do not have advantage taken 
of them by this consumer protection agency that is unfettered, that is 
going to write rules, that is going to give the ability to State AGs 
around this country to take actions against State banks, local banks, 
but also national banks, to take actions against them based on Federal 
rules--not just Federal laws, Federal rules.
  I will stop. I know my time is about up. This is a very commonsense 
amendment. I say to my friends on the other side of the aisle: I have 
offered no messaging amendments, none. I have tried to offer a few 
commonsense amendments to deal with frailties in this bill that I 
believe are real. I know there is a lot of stress on the other side of 
the aisle with everybody trying to hold together. I know the White 
House and Treasury are over here meeting in backrooms trying to keep 
people from supporting things that make common sense. I hope others 
will join with me to ensure that we don't allow this unfettered 
organization, this czar over consumer protection, to create rules that 
then put community banks and others at great risk and have the ability 
to break contracts after the fact based on very vague language that 50 
AGs may interpret in very different ways on a case-by-case basis, in 
whatever mood they are in on that day. I think that is problematic.
  I yield the floor.


                Amendment No. 4071 to Amendment No. 3739

  (Purpose: To address the applicability and preservation of certain 
               State authorities, and for other purposes)

  Mr. CARPER. Mr. President, I call up amendment No. 4071.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will report.
  The legislative clerk read as follows:

       The Senator from Delaware [Mr. Carper], for himself, Mr. 
     Bayh, Mr. Johnson, and Mr. Warner, proposes an amendment 
     numbered 4071 to amendment No. 3739.

  (The amendment is printed in today's Record under ``Text of 
Amendments.'')
  Mr. CARPER. Mr. President, I would like to state to the manager of 
the bill, if I could ask a question of Senator Dodd, one of Senator 
Reid's right-hand lieutenants asked me to ask for an additional 5 
minutes on both the Corker and Carper amendments. I presume that has 
been cleared with him.
  Mr. DODD. I have no objection.
  Mr. CARPER. I ask unanimous consent that both on the Corker amendment 
and the amendment I have offered, we have an additional 5 minutes for a 
total of 20 minutes.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. CARPER. Mr. President, let me start off by thanking Senator 
Corker for all the time and energy he and Courtney and others on his 
staff have put into this issue, both in committee and as we come to the 
floor.
  Last week, Senator Corker and I and about 11 other Republicans and a 
number of Democrats joined to offer the amendment he is offering at 
this time. When it became clear to me that we were not going to be able 
to muster the 60 votes to prevail on what was our amendment, we began 
working with Senator Dodd and his staff--I hope we kept our colleagues 
in the loop, as we went through the negotiations--to come up with 
legislation that enables us to get a half a loaf. I think we probably 
got more than half a loaf. Time will tell. History will judge.
  I wish to back up a little bit and say what I think the authors of 
the legislation had in mind in the bill as it came to the floor. The 
idea is to create a new unit I call the consumer bureau. Their job is 
to promulgate the rules and regulations with respect to consumer 
protections, not only for national banks or State-chartered banks, not 
just for credit unions or nonbank banks but for all of the above. That 
is a big part of the job. The job of the new consumer bureau is to 
promulgate rules and regulations going forward to protect consumers.
  Does that entity have an enforcement responsibility as well? Yes, 
they do. Under the bill as it came to the floor, they would have the 
obligation for enforcing, among the largest national banks--roughly 
100--the rules and regulations with respect to consumer protection 
which they promulgate.
  I like to think of about three or four entities. One is nonbank 
banks, a second is credit unions, third is State chartered banks, and 
the fourth is the national banks. Of those four, the one for sure the 
consumer bureau actually enforces the rules that will be promulgated is 
with national banks and the largest ones there. Most of the banks we 
have in this country are State chartered. Under current law and under 
this legislation, not only would their safety and soundness regulator, 
the FDIC, be the regulator for consumer protections, but under current 
law, under the law going forward, State officials can also enter into 
those frays and again try to undertake actions to protect consumers. 
That could be done now, and it can be done the way the bill is written.
  With respect to nonbank banks, under current law, the FTC has the 
responsibility going into this endeavor of enforcing consumer 
protections. They would have the responsibility of enforcing the 
protections of the rules promulgated by the consumer bureau. There is a 
good chance that going forward the FTC will also have responsibility 
for enforcing the consumer protections for the nonbank banks. Credit 
unions, correct me if I am wrong, I think the responsibility there lies 
with the NCUA. They are the safety and soundness regulators for credit 
unions, and they are also the responsible regulator for consumer 
protection. I am not sure that will change.
  What will change is they will have some additional rules and 
regulations promulgated by the consumer bureau to enforce at least that 
much. This is where we have gotten into a big debate.
  The question is, How about national banks that operate, in some 
cases, in all 50 States? Who is going to enforce the rules to protect 
consumers from them?
  The way it has worked for years, we followed the guidance of two 
Supreme Court decisions in this regard. One of them is called Barnett 
Bank. It has been a part of the case law for about 14 years. The other 
is called Cuomo v. Clearinghouse. I am not sure why. That is what it is 
called.
  Essentially, the first case law under Barnett attempts to say: We 
have these national banks. They are actually supervised by the Office 
of the Comptroller of the Currency. For the most part, States want to 
come in and exert their own desire and their own will and they can do 
that, to some extent, under current law. But when they come in and try 
to exert influence over national banks, if the national banks think the 
State is out of line, they can go to court and say: No, the State can't 
do this. This is preempted. This is something that is governed by the 
Federal Government, by our regulator, the OCC or by this new regulator. 
If the national banks think that what a State is trying to do, under 
Barnett Bank, if they think it is out of order, inappropriate, not 
permitted, it is preempted, they can go to their primary regulator, the 
OCC. That is what they can do now. If the bank thinks the States are 
acting in an inappropriate way, inconsistent with the Barnett ruling, 
the national banks can go to the OCC or they can go into court to have 
it cleared up. That is current law. That is the Barnett Bank ruling in 
its simplest form. What we do in this compromise is to retain that 
language, essentially to retain that language or the spirit therein. 
Where we make a change with respect to the amendment Senator Corker 
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and others had offered to introduce last week, we make a change with 
respect to who else can enforce the rules and regulations among 
national banks that are promulgated by this new consumer bureau.
  What we have said is, State officials and the AGs can enforce the 
rules and regulations of the consumer bureau. They can do that. Can 
they conduct class action lawsuits against with respect to the rules 
and regulations? They can't do that. Can they go across State lines? 
Can the attorney general from Alabama go into Florida and try to 
enforce the rules across State lines? The AGs can't do that. But what 
they can do under our compromise is, the State AGs in all 50 States can 
look at the rules and regulations promulgated by the consumer bureau 
and enforce those in their own State. For us, that is probably the 
biggest give with respect to what we introduced last week.
  This is a confusing issue. It is arcane. I have tried to explain it 
to my colleagues with mixed success. I hope I am doing better today on 
the floor. It is not an easily understood issue.
  For me, the question is this: If we are going to have national 
banks--and we have had them for 150 years--if there are going to be 
national standards and a tough regulator, let's make sure the consumer 
bureau has the resources and authority it needs to enforce these rules 
for national banks. When people say: What is the problem with letting 
the AGs come in, here is the problem. I like to use Washington, DC, as 
an example. I live in Delaware. I go back and forth on the train just 
about every day. Let's say I lived in Maryland, and let's say I worked 
in Washington, as we do. Let's say my bank is home chartered in 
Virginia. Let's say I travel all over the country, and I use ATM 
machines in many different States. If you have a situation where the 
States can impose their own laws or rules or regulations with respect 
to features of banking and checking accounts, with respect to my ATM 
cards and access to ATM machines, the fees I have for my debit cards, 
that authority sort of thing, how would you apply those rules and 
regulations in this one instance, someone who lives in Maryland, works 
in Washington, their bank is in Virginia, and they access banking 
services all over the country? That could be confusing, very confusing. 
It is not only going to be confusing for the banks themselves, as they 
try to comply with this patchwork quilt of 50 different rules and 
regulations, in addition to the national rules and regulations. It is 
going to be confusing for consumers too.
  This is not something we are doing simply to make the banks happy. 
They are not doing handstands over the amendment I am offering as a 
side-by-side with the previous Carper-Corker amendment.
  I am convinced of this: What we are doing is good for consumers, and 
it is fair for the banks.
  Again, to Senator Dodd and his staff, I thank them for working with 
us. I express my thanks to our Republican colleagues who joined us as 
cosponsors on the amendment last week and those who support us today.
  I retain the remainder of my time.
  Mr. JOHNSON. Mr. President, it is the goal of all of us in this body 
to address the inadequacies in bank regulation that led to the crisis, 
but also preserve the dual banking system. After many conversations 
with Senator Dodd and his staff, I believe we have found the right 
balance to preserve Federal preemption for national banks but also 
allow State AG enforcement of the rules where appropriate. I want to 
thank Senator Dodd for working with us to find common ground.
  Throughout the committee consideration and the floor process, I have 
worked to ensure that our efforts to build strong uniform standards 
through the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau were not 
undermined by ending up with a patchwork of different laws for banks 
and consumers. As our Nation recovers from the economic crisis, it was 
important to avoid making it difficult for businesses to operate across 
State lines, and to prevent consumers already struggling with access to 
credit from losing access to affordable products and services.
  I believe the Carper amendment addresses these concerns while also 
ensuring the State AGs a role. The Carper amendment provides that 
preemption determinations are made according to a uniform standard, 
providing certainty to those that offer financial products and those 
who use the products. It also codifies the Supreme Court's ruling in 
the Cuomo case by clearly stating the role State AGs may play in 
enforcing certain laws against national banks. Last, it also preserves 
a role for State AGs to ensure that consumers are never again put at 
risk because Federal regulators are asleep at the switch.
  I urge my colleagues to support the Carper-Bayh-Warner-Johnson 
amendment. This amendment, and the underlying bill creating a new 
consumer agency, will set strong national standards for consumers, and 
improve our abilities to detect problems and vastly improve consumer 
protection.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Alabama.
  Mr. SHELBY. Mr. President, I will be brief. I commend both the 
Senator from Delaware and the Senator from Tennessee for their hard 
work in this area. This is very arcane. It is difficult, but it is very 
important. I was hoping we could bake a whole loaf of bread, not a 
half. One-half is better than nothing--but a whole loaf. What we are 
doing thus far is Main Street. We are not worried about Wall Street. 
Wall Street will take care of themselves, as Senator Corker and others 
have said on this floor. They always have, always will. But it is Main 
Street, the smaller banks in our communities, in our towns all across 
the country. If we could, in the wisdom of the chairman of the 
committee, if we could move to a whole loaf of bread, that would be 
commendable. I feel like we are not going to do a whole loaf here today 
because we don't have the votes. But gosh, a whole loaf is always 
better than half.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Connecticut.
  Mr. DODD. Mr. President, how much time do I have?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Connecticut has 9 minutes 50 
seconds.
  Mr. DODD. I will take 5 minutes, if the Chair will advise me.
  Mr. President, this is striking a balance. If I were king for a day, 
I might write a different approach than either the Corker or the Carper 
amendments. But I am 1 of 100 people in this Chamber. Our goal is to 
try to find common ground on a very difficult issue. This is a 
complicated question. It isn't just about Main Street and Wall Street; 
it is about how we enforce laws, how to make sure we don't overreach 
and create unnecessary duplication and raise costs. We are trying to 
balance what should not be necessarily competing goals. One is to have 
stronger consumer protections. I hope I don't have to make that case 
again. What got us into this mess to begin with was the lack of 
consumer protection. It was bad mortgages, no documentation, luring 
people into deals they could never afford, people making decisions to 
jump into deals they couldn't handle.
  For all those reasons, this problem mushroomed out of a mortgage 
problem into a large, now almost global, problem we are confronting. 
So, clearly, as to consumer protection, we are doing that in this bill. 
For the first time in the history of our country, we will now have an 
agency exclusively dedicated to protecting the average consumer in this 
country when it comes to financial services. We have it for products 
you buy. We have it for the food you eat. But Lord forbid you end up in 
potential ruin because of a financial product. Where do you go? There 
is no recall. There is no place to get that financial product recalled 
if you are running into problems. So we do that in this bill.
  Let me be the first to admit there are people who are vehemently 
opposed to have anything like a Consumer Financial Protection Bureau 
anywhere in our government at all, and I know that. My colleagues know 
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to try and undermine this in whatever way you can has been a part of 
this.
  The second goal is the one my colleague from Delaware has mentioned: 
preserving our national banking system, which has been around for 150 
years. It is clearly in our interest to do that. So how do we strike 
this in a way that strikes that balance?
  The Carper amendment preserves the States' attorneys general role in 
protecting their citizens from abusive practices. That is about as Main 
Street as you can get. As I said, the alternative is to have someone 
from Washington, I suppose, being able to show up to protect those 
interests. Why not preserve the right of an attorney general at the 
State level to protect those interests?
  But it also makes clear--the Carper amendment does--that the Office 
of the Comptroller of the Currency can preempt a State consumer law, 
while preseving our national banking system. So it strikes that 
balance, which is so critical.
  The Carper amendment does three things: It preserves the State's role 
in enforcing the Federal consumer financial laws. That is No. 1. 
Secondly, it returns to the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency 
the preemption of State consumer financial laws to the 1996 Barnett 
standard, which is the Supreme Court case, and provides for transparent 
determination procedures for preemption decisions. Thirdly, the Carper 
amendment makes clear that the States' attorneys general have the 
authority to enforce certain laws against national banks in their home 
States.
  That is the balance the Carper amendment provides.
  The Corker amendment--if we adopted just the Corker amendment--does 
two things. One, it completely eliminates the State attorney general 
from enforcement of the Consumer Financial Protection Act. It 
eliminates it altogether. I do not think you want that. That does not 
make sense to me. That is where you get confusion. Secondly, it would 
confuse the Federal preemption standard under the Barnett case that the 
OCC should apply when preempting State consumer laws.
  We are trying to get clarity, and we get clarity with the Carper 
amendment. That is what we are looking for: National banking gets 
preserved. Yet the attorneys general can enforce the laws rather than 
relying on something at the national level to do the job.
  So I urge my colleagues--and I say this respectfully because Bob 
Corker and I have worked together on a lot of issues over the last 
number of months--on this one, I respectfully suggest it goes too far. 
That is why I urge Senator Carper, who has a strong interest in this 
subject matter, to sit down and see if we could fashion a compromise 
that would maintain the balance of allowing State AGs to do their jobs 
when it comes to enforcing the rules under our Consumer Financial 
Protection Bureau, while preserving the national banking system, where 
the OCC has the right to preempt. That is what we have done with the 
Carper amendment. That is the balance that gets struck here. I say 
respectfully, the adoption of the Corker amendment throws that balance 
off whack, and that is what I think would be a step backward when it 
comes to this provision.
  So for those reasons, I would urge a ``no'' vote on the Corker 
amendment and a ``yes'' vote on the Carper amendment, which I think 
strengthens this bill overall.
  With that, I see my colleague from Virginia, who may want to be heard 
on this amendment as well.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Virginia.
  Mr. WARNER. Mr. President, I just wish to briefly add to the 
discussion and thank both the chairman and Senator Carper and my good 
friend Senator Corker as well. We are breaking new ground. We are 
creating a new national Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
  I share, I think, actually the goals of both Senator Corker and 
Senator Carper that the bureau ought to have a chance to enforce its 
rules on an orderly national basis. I know my good friend, Senator 
Corker, has a slightly different variation, but I think Senator 
Carper's amendment has struck that right balance: ensuring there are 
opportunities for Federal preemption but, at the same time, recognizing 
that the balance of the attorneys general role ought to be to focus on 
the regulations--regulations that it will have had an appropriate 
period to have been commented on by industry, to have gone through an 
orderly process, rather than simply what the initial draft would have 
had, which would have allowed the attorneys general to actually focus 
on the statute itself, that might have allowed them to run a little 
more without as many restraints.
  So I realize this is a new area. We are trying to strike a balance. I 
agree with the chairman that the Carper amendment strikes that right 
balance, and I look forward to supporting his amendment.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Tennessee.
  Mr. CORKER. Mr. President, I do hope the Senator from Virginia and 
the Senator from Delaware will support my amendment, since they both 
cosponsored it originally. I know Treasury has been over and has had a 
talk with people back in these backrooms. I realize the White House has 
done that. While there may be discussions about ``striking the 
appropriate balance,'' the fact is, this was an amendment that had 
bipartisan support until that occurred.
  Let me just say----
  Mr. DODD. Will my colleague yield on that point he made?
  Mr. CORKER. OK.
  Mr. DODD. There is nothing ``in the backroom'' about this. This is an 
honest, open discussion about how to deal with preemption. The 
suggestion my colleague makes about a backroom arrangement is not the 
case.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Tennessee.
  Mr. CORKER. Well, it was these rooms back here.
  Mr. DODD. No, it is not a backroom.
  Mr. CORKER. OK. Well, these front rooms back here.
  Let me just say, if I could: Look, the fact is, we had a bipartisan 
agreement that has been throttled back. There is a chance--I 
understand. That is what I am saying. I hope the cosponsors of this 
amendment will at least support it on the floor. I do not think there 
has been anything enlightening that has occurred--just the fact that, 
look, the White House has expressed opposition to this. I understand 
that, and that is the way things are when the White House is the White 
House.
  But what I would say is, the Senator from Connecticut specifically 
tried to get support for this consumer protection agency by saying that 
institutions under $10 billion in assets would not be enforced upon 
directly by this consumer protection agency. But what has happened as a 
result of the bill is the fact that now, instead of that, we now have 
State AGs--they are going to enforce against these very institutions on 
rules that emanate from these Federal statutes.
  So I would say that is a far worse situation for these community 
banks and credit unions. I know they view that as far worse from that 
standpoint. Then, on top of that, we have added language that is vague, 
language such as ``abusive'', where the AG has the ability to come in 
after the fact and basically break contracts if, in their view, they 
decide that something may have been abusive. Again, that is a very 
vague term.
  So what I would say to you is that, yes, you are embarking on new 
territory. You, in essence, are creating a consumer protection agency 
that has no board. It reports to one person, the President. It has a 5-
year term. There is no veto--no veto--authority by the prudential 
regulators as it relates to the rules. Now you have State AGs all 
across the country who have the ability to enforce. I think that is a 
huge step in the wrong direction.
  I had hoped earlier--a couple months ago it seemed like we had a 
place that was far more middle of the road than this, that kept the 
State AGs in place, that allowed them to do the things with State laws 
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power to do. But I think this is vastly expansive.
  I realize that with the people talking against my amendment who 
actually supported my amendment in the past, it is very unlikely my 
amendment is going to pass. I have heard people on my side of the aisle 
saying: Look, should we support Carper or not? It is just really not 
what ought to happen.
  I would say to my friends on this side: Yes, support the Senator's 
efforts. It is better than what exists.
  But there is no question in my mind--and let's face it, the issue 
that has divided this floor more than anything else is the fact that 
this consumer protection agency has been created the way it has been 
created. I think this rulemaking authority it has is the issue that has 
divided most of us. Now, without my amendment passing, again, what 
happens is, State AGs, interpreting these in different ways all across 
the country, will now be taking actions against these institutions on 
vague language such as ``abusive.'' I think that is inappropriate. I 
guess I have trouble understanding what that has to do with what we 
have just gone through.
  If underwriting is a problem, let's deal with underwriting. We tried 
to offer language that dealt with loans. That is the core of this 
crisis. But, no, we do not want to deal with that. We do not want any 
crisis to go to waste. We want to create another unfettered 
organization to get into the lives of Americans, to sort of take over, 
take over and deal with these kinds of things because we do not want 
any crisis to go to waste.
  So maybe the Senator from Connecticut was a little arisen a minute 
ago by me saying what I am saying. Look, the fact is, the White House 
is, I see, going to have its way probably. I still hope as many people 
as possible will vote for the Corker amendment. I certainly support the 
Carper amendment. I wish we had done a more balanced job on this issue. 
I think we would have far more bipartisan support.
  I thank the Presiding Officer for the time. I wish to withhold the 
remainder of my time in case there are other comments that are made. 
But I do hope the people who originally cosponsored my amendment would 
at least support it on the floor today.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Kaufman). The Senator from Delaware.
  Mr. CARPER. Mr. President, how much time do I have remaining?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator has 3 minutes 27 seconds.
  Mr. CARPER. Mr. President, let me try to be clear on one point, as we 
come to the close of this discussion.
  For States or their national banks, under what is proposed and what 
would occur under our amendment, if a State AG wants to try to enforce 
a State law on a national bank, the bank can go in and say to the 
courts, they can go in and say to the regulator, the Office of the 
Comptroller of the Currency, that State law is preempted. That cannot 
be enforced against a national bank.
  The question here--and this is a point where I gave on and our side 
gave on in negotiations--how about if the State AG or State officials 
want to come in and enforce the rules that have been developed by the 
new consumer bureau? Under the compromise we have reached, while they 
cannot come in and enforce their own State laws, or, really, come in 
and enforce the Federal law we are debating today, the State AG can 
come in and enforce the rules, which have been worked out over a period 
of months--draft regulations, proposed regulations, common periods, 
revised regulations with guidance, and finally adopted regulations with 
guidance.
  In those instances, when the regulations are adopted in their final 
form--gone through that whole process--then the AGs can come in and not 
selectively enforce them, but they have the right to enforce those, 
along with--for big banks, big national banks--the bureau, and if they 
are not so big national banks, the Office of the Comptroller of the 
Currency.
  That is where I think we have ended up here. I do not think it is a 
bad compromise. As our colleague from Tennessee and certainly the 
Presiding Officer and our two floor managers, Senator Dodd and Senator 
Shelby, know, we have been sent to govern, and sometimes I cannot get 
what I want. But what we try to do is to be willing to give, and in an 
orderly fashion we have a final compromise that I think meets muster.
  Let me say, as a former Governor--I think there are five former 
Governors on our original amendment--I do not think anyone can accuse 
me or any of the other former Governors of not being for States rights. 
But sometimes we need a strong Federal regulator with strong 
enforcement authority, particularly when we are dealing with issues of 
interstate commerce and our national banking system, which we seek to 
preserve.
  In closing, I wish to assure my colleagues that I believe the 
amendment I offer with a number of my colleagues preserves the ability 
of States' attorneys general to provide a backstop to the new Consumer 
Financial Protection Bureau. While the new bureau will be the main 
enforcer of its new rules, we have preserved the role for the State AGs 
to ensure that the consumers are not put at risk because Federal 
regulators are asleep at the switch.
  Again, I wish to thank Senator Corker for all his work on not just 
this issue but on others to try to get us to a better place.
  With that, I believe our time is just about expired.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Tennessee.
  Mr. CORKER. Mr. President, how much time do I have remaining?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. There is 4 minutes 10 seconds.
  Mr. CORKER. Mr. President, first of all, I thank the Senator from 
Delaware, who is one of those Senators whom I truly enjoy working with. 
He truly does try to do responsible things in this body. I thank him 
for that. I enjoy working with him. I do think the Senator is trying to 
put an amendment in place that will pass, and I thank him for that.
  Again, I think a half a loaf is a half a loaf; it is not a whole 
loaf. But I hope everybody on my side of the aisle will support the 
Carper amendment. I hope everybody on this side of the aisle, 
obviously, will support the Corker amendment.
  I do wish to say that the Chamber of Commerce has just sent out a 
letter. I thought I would make everybody aware they are urging people 
to vote for both amendments also. As a matter of fact, they are key 
voting this. This is one of those issues they think is very important. 
The Chamber of Commerce, as you know, represents all kinds of small 
businesses across this country that are very concerned about this 
expansive bill, especially as it relates to consumer protection.
  Again, I wish to say one more time, an activist, if it turned out to 
be--my guess is, it will be; everything else in this administration 
leads me to believe this is going to be a fairly activist organization, 
OK--can write rules after the fact--after the fact--declaring a 
practice abusive.
  I don't know how many people think that is good practice, to write a 
rule after the fact determining that it is abusive--again, a very vague 
benchmark.
  I thank the Presiding Officer for the time. I thank the Senator from 
Connecticut for the way he has conducted business here on the floor. I 
certainly wish this was a 50-vote threshold instead of 60, but I 
realize those things have to take place. I thank him for the way he has 
conducted himself on the floor. I look forward to both of these 
amendments being voted on. I urge people on both sides of the aisle to 
support both amendments, as the Chamber of Commerce has said it does.
  Thank you very much. I yield my time.
  Mr. DODD. Let me just clarify. No. 1, there is no 60-vote 
requirement.
  Mr. CORKER. Very good. Thank you.
  Mr. DODD. No. 2, I know people want to vote for everything around 
here, but occasionally we run into conflicts, and there is a conflict 
between the Corker amendment and Carper amendment, and that is the role 
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general. The Corker amendment excludes the attorneys general from 
enforcing the regulations of the consumer protection agency. The Carper 
amendment includes it. With all due respect, I know we would like to 
vote for all amendments, but somehow we do end up with a conflict. It 
is a legitimate point. I am not suggesting that my friend from 
Tennessee doesn't have an argument, but I just think the Carper 
amendment makes more sense.
  So I urge my colleagues, out of respect for each other--I know we 
like to please each other, but the fact is, we end up with a 
contradictory conclusion when we are trying to come to some clarity. 
That is the only point I wish to make.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Tennessee.
  Mr. CORKER. If I could, I haven't really noticed that much desire to 
please each other around here, but I do thank you for the fact that it 
is a 50-vote threshold. I had been told prior to coming down that it 
was 60, so thank you for that. But I do hope people will try to please 
both sides of the aisle by voting for both amendments. Thank you very 
much.
  Mr. DODD. Have the yeas and nays been ordered, Mr. President?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. They have not.
  Mr. KYL. I ask for the yeas and nays.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there a sufficient second? There appears to 
be a sufficient second.
  The question is on agreeing to the Corker amendment.
  The clerk will call the roll.
  The assistant legislative clerk called the roll.
  Mr. DURBIN. I announce that the Senator from Arkansas (Mrs. Lincoln) 
and the Senator from Pennsylvania (Mr. Specter) are necessarily absent.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Are there any other Senators in the Chamber 
desiring to vote?
  The result was announced--yeas 43, nays 55, as follows:

                      [Rollcall Vote No. 154 Leg.]

                                YEAS--43

     Alexander
     Barrasso
     Bayh
     Bennett
     Bond
     Brownback
     Bunning
     Burr
     Byrd
     Chambliss
     Coburn
     Cochran
     Collins
     Corker
     Cornyn
     Crapo
     DeMint
     Ensign
     Enzi
     Graham
     Grassley
     Gregg
     Hatch
     Hutchison
     Inhofe
     Isakson
     Johanns
     Kyl
     LeMieux
     Lugar
     McCain
     McConnell
     Murkowski
     Nelson (NE)
     Risch
     Roberts
     Sessions
     Shelby
     Snowe
     Thune
     Vitter
     Voinovich
     Wicker

                                NAYS--55

     Akaka
     Baucus
     Begich
     Bennet
     Bingaman
     Boxer
     Brown (MA)
     Brown (OH)
     Burris
     Cantwell
     Cardin
     Carper
     Casey
     Conrad
     Dodd
     Dorgan
     Durbin
     Feingold
     Feinstein
     Franken
     Gillibrand
     Hagan
     Harkin
     Inouye
     Johnson
     Kaufman
     Kerry
     Klobuchar
     Kohl
     Landrieu
     Lautenberg
     Leahy
     Levin
     Lieberman
     McCaskill
     Menendez
     Merkley
     Mikulski
     Murray
     Nelson (FL)
     Pryor
     Reed
     Reid
     Rockefeller
     Sanders
     Schumer
     Shaheen
     Stabenow
     Tester
     Udall (CO)
     Udall (NM)
     Warner
     Webb
     Whitehouse
     Wyden

                             NOT VOTING--2

     Lincoln
     Specter
       
  The amendment (No. 4034) was rejected.
  Mr. DODD. Mr. President, what is the pending business?


                       Vote on Amendment No. 4071

  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The pending question is the Carper amendment 
No. 4071.
  Mr. DODD. Have the yeas and nays been ordered?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. No, they have not.
  Mr. DODD. Mr. President, I ask for the yeas and nays.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there a sufficient second?
  There is a sufficient second.
  The question is on agreeing to the amendment.
  The clerk will call the roll.
  The bill clerk called the roll.
  Mr. DURBIN. I announce that the Senator from Arkansas (Mrs. Lincoln) 
and the Senator from Pennsylvania (Mr. Specter) are necessarily absent.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Are there any other Senators in the Chamber 
desiring to vote?
  The result was announced--yeas 80, nays 18, as follows:

                      [Rollcall Vote No. 155 Leg.]

                                YEAS--80

     Akaka
     Alexander
     Barrasso
     Baucus
     Bayh
     Begich
     Bennet
     Bennett
     Bingaman
     Bond
     Brown (MA)
     Brownback
     Bunning
     Burr
     Burris
     Byrd
     Cantwell
     Cardin
     Carper
     Casey
     Chambliss
     Coburn
     Cochran
     Collins
     Conrad
     Corker
     Cornyn
     Crapo
     DeMint
     Dodd
     Ensign
     Enzi
     Feinstein
     Gillibrand
     Graham
     Grassley
     Gregg
     Hagan
     Hatch
     Hutchison
     Inhofe
     Inouye
     Isakson
     Johanns
     Johnson
     Kaufman
     Kerry
     Klobuchar
     Kohl
     Kyl
     Landrieu
     Lautenberg
     LeMieux
     Levin
     Lieberman
     Lugar
     McCain
     McConnell
     Menendez
     Mikulski
     Murkowski
     Murray
     Nelson (NE)
     Nelson (FL)
     Pryor
     Risch
     Roberts
     Schumer
     Sessions
     Shelby
     Snowe
     Stabenow
     Tester
     Thune
     Udall (CO)
     Vitter
     Voinovich
     Warner
     Webb
     Wicker

                                NAYS--18

     Boxer
     Brown (OH)
     Dorgan
     Durbin
     Feingold
     Franken
     Harkin
     Leahy
     McCaskill
     Merkley
     Reed
     Reid
     Rockefeller
     Sanders
     Shaheen
     Udall (NM)
     Whitehouse
     Wyden

                             NOT VOTING--2

     Lincoln
     Specter
       
  The amendment (No. 4071) was agreed to.
  Mr. DODD. Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote and I move to 
lay that motion on the table.
  The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
  Mr. REID. I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The assistant editor of the Daily Digest proceeded to call the roll.
  Mrs. HAGAN. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for 
the quorum call be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mrs. HAGAN. I ask unanimous consent to speak on amendment No. 3744.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mrs. HAGAN. Mr. President, payday lending institutions prey on people 
who find themselves in need of quick cash often for things like a 
necessary car repair or a medical problem. The lenders charge 
astronomical interest rates and expect immediate repayment.
  By marketing payday loans as short-term advances, predatory lenders 
gouge borrowers into a cycle of debt. With repayment due in just days, 
interest rates that reach 400 percent, and because repayments are due 
in full, borrowers are often forced to take out new loans to repay the 
old loan.
  The lenders themselves recognize that the loans are not for borrowers 
who intend to use them repeatedly. For example, one lender notes on its 
website that, ``Since a payday advance is a short-term solution to an 
immediate need, it is not intended for repeated use in carrying an 
individual from payday to payday. When an immediate need arises, we're 
here to help. But a payday advance is not a long-term solution for 
ongoing budget management. Repeated or frequent use can create serious 
financial hardship.''
  But the statistics do not add up. Over 60 percent of payday loans go 
to borrowers with 12 or more transactions per year and 24 percent of 
payday loans go to borrowers with 21 or more transactions per year.
  This startling statistic illustrates just how devastating this 
problem can be for families.
  Take the story of Sandra Harris from Wilmington, NC. She had a job at 
Head Start and always paid her bills on time. When her husband lost his 
job, Sandra got a $200 payday loan to pay the couple's car insurance. 
When she went to repay the loan, she was told she could renew. Sandra 
ultimately found herself indebted to six different payday lenders, paid 
some $8,000 in fees.
  Now, the payday lending industry will argue that they provide a 
valuable service. I would simply point out that, whether or not you 
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 true, my amendment does not prohibit payday loans.
  In fact, it allows up to six payday loans to the same borrower. If 
your business model relies on your ability to rope borrowers into 
rolling these loans over again and again, even though you are charging 
400 percent per loan, I would have some serious questions about your 
business model.
  By reining in payday lenders, we will protect consumers from racking 
up endless, long-term debt that can ultimately cause a family to 
declare bankruptcy.
  This amendment protects consumers by ensuring that short-term cash 
advances remain short-term.
  It has three parts to accomplish this goal:
  First, it limits rollovers by prohibiting creditors from issuing new 
payday loans to borrowers with six loans in the previous 12 months or 
90 days aggregate indebtedness.
  Second, it would require lenders to give borrowers the option to 
repay their loan over a longer time period. Creditors would need to 
offer an extended repayment plan for borrowers who are unable to meet 
repayment obligations.
  Finally, the bill gives the Federal Reserve Board the authority to 
require licensing and bonding of payday lenders.
  Leading consumer advocates such as the Center for Responsible Lending 
strongly support this legislation.
  This is a commonsense amendment, it will help protect Main Street 
borrowers from predatory lenders, and I would urge all of my colleagues 
to join me in supporting it.
  I ask unanimous consent to have printed in the Record the following 
letter of support from Michael Calhoun, the president of the Center for 
Responsible Lending.
  There being no objection, the material was ordered to be printed in 
the Record, as follows:

                               Center for Responsible Lending,

                                                      May 4, 2010.
     Hon. Kay Hagan,
     United States Senator, Dirksen Senate Office Building, 
         Washington, DC.
       Dear Senator Hagan: We are writing to express our support 
     for your bill, the ``Payday Limitation Act of 2010,'' which 
     would help end the cycle of long-term borrowing that traps so 
     many payday borrowers in high-cost debt.
       The payday lending debt trap causes families financial 
     harm, with borrowers more likely to become delinquent on 
     their credit cards, face difficulty in paying other bills, 
     delay medical care, and, ultimately, file for bankruptcy. The 
     average borrower has 9 payday loan transactions each year, 
     typically on a back-to-back basis. This results in borrowers 
     paying more in fees than they are extended in credit.
       Your bill would codify the Federal Deposit Insurance 
     Corporation's standard, which prohibits new loans to 
     borrowers who have already been indebted 90 days in a given 
     year, the equivalent of six two-week payday loans. This would 
     ensure that these short-term small loans are used as 
     intended, rather than becoming a long-term financial burden 
     for families already living paycheck-to-paycheck.
       If enacted, this legislation would represent a key step 
     forward toward our long-term goal of protecting consumers 
     through a 36 percent annual percentage rate cap on small 
     loans. We commend you on your efforts to reduce the 
     incredible damage caused by this industry to low- and 
     moderate-income families and look forward to working with you 
     to pass this legislation.
           Sincerely,
                                               Michael P. Calhoun,
                                                        President.

  Mr. DURBIN. Would the Senator yield for a question?
  Mrs. HAGAN. I will yield to the Senator.
  Mr. DURBIN. I wish to thank the Senator from North Carolina for her 
leadership on this issue involving title loans and payday loans. I know 
she led the fight in her home State of North Carolina before she came 
here to the Senate.
  I wish to ask the Senator from North Carolina, is it not true we 
passed a law a few years ago to protect military families from being 
exploited by these same lenders, arguing that, here we are, investing 
all this money in training and preparing men and women to serve in our 
military, and then they are ensnared by these payday loan operations, 
they find themselves at their wit's end, they cannot make their 
payments, they are facing bankruptcy, and many of them had to take 
leave or be discharged from the military because of these miserable 
payday loan operations? Is it not true we passed a law protecting 
military families from this kind of predatory lending a few years ago?
  Mrs. HAGAN. The Senator from Illinois is certainly correct. I 
believe, instead of anywhere near a 400-percent rate, there are 
limitations of 36 percent. The Senator is correct.
  Mr. DURBIN. So I further ask, through the Chair, the Senator from 
North Carolina is saying, if we want to protect military families from 
this outrageous conduct by these lenders, then should not we protect 
all American families who might be in similar circumstances, ensnared 
by these people who will continue to roll these loans over and over to 
the point where a person cannot possibly pay it off?
  Does not the Senator's amendment say there has to be a limit to the 
number of rollovers on the loans, and is not the limit somewhere in the 
range of six rollovers, six times rolled over as a maximum?
  Mrs. HAGAN. The Senator is exactly right. This amendment allows, if a 
family does need to have a short-term advance, for a short-term 
advance, renewable six times. They can have six of them within a 1-year 
period of time. If at that point they cannot repay it, the institution 
has to give them a longer repayment schedule.
  We are not saying these loans cannot be given. But that recurring 
debt over and over and over again is what should be stopped by limiting 
it to six a year.
  Mr. DURBIN. I thank the Senator from North Carolina for her 
leadership. These are truly the bottom feeders of the credit industry 
in America.
  Mrs. HAGAN. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the pending 
amendment be laid aside, and that I be allowed to call up amendment No. 
3744.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection?
  Mr. DODD. Mr. President, reserving the right to object, and on behalf 
of--would the Chair please restate the request.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Begich.) The Senator seeks permission to 
call up amendment No. 3744.
  Mr. SHELBY. I object.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Objection is heard.
  The Senator from North Carolina.
  Mrs. HAGAN. Mr. President, I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Connecticut.
  Mr. DODD. I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. DODD. I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call 
be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. DODD. Mr. President, I am about to make a unanimous consent 
request, and I will describe what I am going to request first so 
Members are aware of this.
  Senators Merkley and Levin, along with many others, over the past 
number of weeks have worked very hard to develop an amendment dealing 
with proprietary trading; that is, to ban the use of depositors' monies 
for excessive risk taking on the part of financial institutions.
  This is a complicated area, we all admit and acknowledge. It takes a 
lot of work. The Treasury Department has been involved, and many others 
in this Chamber, who have had a strong interest in supporting the 
efforts of Senator Merkley and Senator Levin, have crafted and worked 
on this.
  We wish to have a vote on that amendment, even, in fact, just a 50 
vote, up and down. Over the last 3 or 4 weeks, I have been happy to 
have more amendments. I think some 40 or 45 amendments have been 
considered in this Chamber, the overwhelming majority on a simple 50-
vote margin. Some have required 60 votes, I acknowledge that. But I am 
being told that even a 60-vote requirement on this amendment would be 
objected to. I think that is terribly unfortunate. This is a critical 
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To exclude it, or even the ability to vote on it, I think would be 
wrong.
  I ask unanimous consent that the pending amendment be laid aside and 
that amendment No. 4101 be called up.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection?
  Mr. SHELBY. Mr. President, although I don't necessarily believe I 
will vote against the Levin-Merkley amendment, if it is brought up and 
debated, a number of my colleagues are not here on the floor and have 
asked me to lodge an objection. So on their behalf, I object.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Objection is heard.
  The Senator from Connecticut.
  Mr. DODD. I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. DODD. I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call 
be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. DODD. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the next 
amendments in order be the following: Grassley-McCaskill amendment No. 
4072 and Bingaman amendment No. 3892; that the Bingaman amendment be 
modified with the changes at the desk; that a Lincoln amendment as a 
side-by-side to the Bingaman amendment also be in order; and that 
Senators Grassley and McCaskill each be recognized for a period of 5 
minutes.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection?
  Mr. DORGAN. Mr. President, reserving the right to object--and I will 
not object--I want to ask the Senator from Connecticut if he might add 
to that unanimous-consent request that following that, amendment No. 
4109, which I have filed, be considered at that point.
  Let me explain. I had filed an amendment. We have modified it. The 
amendment, properly filed, as I had modified it, is amendment No. 4109. 
It is the amendment that deals with the issue of naked credit default 
swaps. As my colleague knows, I have been here for 2 weeks attempting 
to get it pending.
  I ask that the unanimous consent request be modified to include 
making amendment 4109 pending following the disposition of the other 
two amendments.
  Mr. DODD. I have no objection to that.
  First of all, can we get the first unanimous consent agreed to, to 
deal with those two amendments; that is, Grassley and Bingaman?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection?
  Mr. SHELBY. I am OK on the first one.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. If there is no objection to the first part, it 
is so ordered. There is no objection on the first part.
  Is there objection to the request of the Senator from North Dakota?
  Mr. DODD. I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. DORGAN. I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum 
call be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. DORGAN. Mr. President, my understanding is that there is a 
question now about how to proceed with respect to which amendments 
might be allowed to be offered by the two sides. It appears to me, at 
least from my perspective, that some have decided we will only allow 
amendments we prefer to be allowed and others who have amendments will 
not be allowed to offer amendments from this point on.
  My colleagues know I have been here I guess a couple of weeks with an 
amendment. It is filed, No. 4109. It deals with trillions and trillions 
of dollars of what are called naked credit default swaps--one of the 
significant problems that caused part of the near collapse of our 
economy. I have been here now attempting to get this amendment pending 
because if there is a cloture vote tomorrow, those amendments that are 
not pending will not be allowed to be offered and voted upon. I am 
attempting to get this pending.
  What we have appears to me to be gatekeepers who decide we will only 
allow these amendments through the gate, and someone else, unnamed, 
unknown, will decide that we have to have somebody else object for 
them. So the result is that an amendment such as this--and I assume 
there are others as well--would not be able to be considered. To have 
the negotiations between the manager and the ranking member now come 
together and decide, well, only amendments they will allow us to offer 
will be offered--if that were the standard, maybe we could go back and 
I could think of half a dozen or a dozen amendments that we already had 
offered and had to vote on that probably we should have said: Let's not 
offer those. Those are inconvenient, uncomfortable. I don't want to 
vote on that. But we have not done that. None of us have done that.
  Now, all of a sudden, we have been told: Someone else wants us to 
object, so therefore you can't offer your amendment. That is just, in 
my judgment, not an acceptable way to proceed.
  While I guess we are waiting, I encourage somebody, if they wonder 
whether the amendment I have filed, No. 4109, dealing with naked credit 
default swaps--if they are wondering whether there is an urgency to 
this issue, read the book ``The Big Short'' by Michael Lewis. When you 
are finished, come back to the floor and ask if you can support this 
amendment or how quickly you can support this amendment. It is 
unbelievably necessary to do if, in fact, we are going to finish 
financial reform and claim we have reformed the financial system.
  It is pretty hard for me to understand how we proceed if the point is 
that someone else has decided exactly which amendments will be 
tolerable to be considered and those of us who have amendments that are 
a little more difficult, perhaps a little more aggressive in trying to 
fix those things, shut the door on the kinds of practices that caused 
the near collapse of the American economy, if our amendments are 
inconvenient to someone, we are told: You will not have an opportunity 
to do this. We will just pick other amendments that we think are fine, 
amendments that don't have quite as much bark or bite to them. We will 
consider those amendments along the way, and when we get to the end, if 
your amendment is not considered, that is just tough luck.
  It is much more than tough luck, it seems to me, for the American 
people.
  I have a series of charts. I would like to offer the amendment and 
have it pending. I have previously been here asking unanimous consent. 
It was objected to. I have spoken earlier on the floor and was told it 
would be considered.
  If I may have the attention of my colleague from Connecticut, we 
didn't get to that second portion of the previous UC. Let me ask 
unanimous consent that following whatever other business has previously 
been agreed to, amendment No. 4109, which I have properly filed, be 
considered pending and that we would be able to consider amendment No. 
4109.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection?
  Mr. SHELBY. I object.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Objection is heard.
  Mr. DODD. Let me say to my colleague, we have been on this bill now 
for 3 or 4 weeks. We have considered almost 50 amendments. I have a 
list of about 49 amendments I sent to the minority several days ago, 
including amendments offered by Democrats, Republicans, some of them 
bipartisan amendments, that I would be more than willing to accept. I 
know the minority is looking at them, and they may accept some and 
reject others. There is that group of amendments. We have a list of 
about 20 different amendments here, some of which are, like my friend's 
from North Dakota, controversial amendments that I would like the 
opportunity to debate and bring up.
  The difficulty of managing from this seat is that, obviously, once 
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it takes consent then to lay it aside and move forward. Then we turn 
over to any one Member of this Chamber the ability to veto virtually 
all other amendments because it takes unanimous consent by this Chamber 
to agree to proceed to something else. So what it does is allow one 
Senator to tie up----
  Mr. DORGAN. Will the Senator yield for a question?
  Mr. DODD. Certainly.
  Mr. DORGAN. Has that happened at this point? I don't know of a 
circumstance where someone, during debate on this bill, has objected to 
setting the pending amendment aside. I have seen it happen, but that is 
not what has happened on this bill.
  Mr. DODD. As my colleague knows, I happen to be supportive of trying 
to get to his amendment, trying to negotiate so we can get his 
amendment up at this point. There are also other amendments we might be 
able to clear out of the way before we do that. If we stop everything 
from moving before we get this matter resolved, of course, it deprives 
others of having a chance to have an amendment considered. That is the 
effect of it.
  Again, the Senator has the right to do it, obviously, objecting to 
anything going forward. Any one Senator can do that. My colleague has 
as much right as anyone else to do it, but there is an effect on a lot 
of other amendments to that. I certainly would not argue about the 
Senator's right to do it, but the consequence of it is such that other 
amendments then do not go forward.
  Mr. DORGAN. Mr. President, will the Senator yield for a further 
question?
  Mr. DODD. Yes.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from North Dakota has the floor.
  Mr. DORGAN. It is not just me. It is my understanding that the Levin-
Merkley amendment is in the same position. So it is a circumstance, it 
appears to me, where someone said: Well, now, it is inconvenient for us 
to vote on things that are a little bit controversial or have a little 
more bite to address these issues. Because it is inconvenient, we are 
going to object, so you are not going to be able to offer those 
amendments. I do not know how we got to this cliff, but falling off 
that cliff is not acceptable to me. We have been voting for 2 weeks and 
people have been able to offer amendments. I voted on amendments I did 
not want to vote on from the other side. They had a right to offer 
them, and I voted on them. That is fine.
  Was there a moment when we decided, all of a sudden, that the other 
side will have a veto authority over our ability to offer amendments of 
any consequence? I do not know when that happened, but that is totally 
inappropriate, given the couple weeks we have been through here.
  Mr. DODD. Again, my colleague has a right to object if he decides to 
do so. I just explained what the consequences are of that decision. 
That is all.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from North Dakota still has the 
floor.
  Mr. DORGAN. Well, Mr. President, listen, my objective is not to 
obstruct or to try to slow anything down. My objective is to allow 
people to offer amendments, especially those who have been here for 
some long while, to offer amendments that are consequential relative to 
the issue of financial reform.
  If from this day forward, we have decided--or from today forward we 
have decided that if someone on the other side--who is at this point 
unknown--is going to object to amendments that are uncomfortable, 
amendments that I think will strengthen the bill, this is not much of a 
process anymore. We will, I guess, pick out the amendments that deal 
with tourism or babies or whatever it is that is uncontroversial to 
everybody and pass those and then go on to final passage. Those who had 
other amendments of consequence are told: Someone objected. We are not 
quite sure who.
  So I guess what I can do is say that I will object to having people 
decide we will only deal with noncontroversial amendments and that 
those amendments of substantial consequence to this bill are not 
relevant enough to be considered.
  So I wish that were not the case. But I am not going to sit here and 
say: Yes, go ahead and just pass over these amendments and pick out 
some amendments you like. If everybody can agree on amendments we like, 
you can offer them and we will have votes and no one will have concern 
over it. But if there are amendments that somebody does not like, you 
are not going to be able to offer them because someone is going to 
object.
  It does not make much sense to me.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Missouri.
  Mrs. McCASKILL. Mr. President, is there still a unanimous-consent 
request pending that the Senator from Connecticut made some while back 
that there was never an objection heard on?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. That consent request was granted.
  Mrs. McCASKILL. OK. So based on that consent request, I would like to 
talk about amendment No. 4072, the Grassley-McCaskill IG amendment. 
This amendment is about having a cop on the beat. We have talked a lot 
about a cop on the beat as it relates to a consumer agency. But in 
internal workings of these agencies, there are people who are very 
special in our government who have eyes and ears inside agencies who 
can find problems, who in fact are our inspectors general.
  This amendment will strengthen the independence and the working role 
of the inspectors general in these agencies that have such an important 
power over our financial sector. In fact, it was the failure, in some 
ways, of appropriate oversight that got us into this mess in the first 
place.
  Senator Grassley has been a champion of inspectors general for many 
years, and since I came to the Senate, I have tried to focus on this 
because I came here from being a government auditor. For 8 years, I did 
nothing but government auditing, and I have deep and abiding respect 
for the professional auditors in our Federal Government who are the 
watchdogs for taxpayers inside the halls of our government.
  This amendment will do a couple of important things.
  One, it is going to create a council of inspectors general in the 
financial sector, the SEC and the CFTC and the FDIC, and they will have 
to meet four times a year. At that meeting, they are going to have a 
forced opportunity to compare notes, to talk about the investigations 
they are doing, to make sure they are not duplicating each other's 
work, and, most importantly, to talk about systemic risk and are they 
getting at it in a collective way. It does not cost anything. It is 
just smart. That is one part of this amendment.
  The other part of the amendment has to do with how these inspectors 
general are selected. There are different kinds of inspectors general 
in our government. Some are appointed by the President. Some are 
appointed by the agencies. I will say that anybody who thinks those 
appointed by the President are the most independent is wrong. Anybody 
who thinks those appointed by the agencies is the most independent is 
wrong.
  I believe the independence of inspectors general has everything to do 
with whether someone is selected who is professional and who is going 
to be independent of any influence.
  Here is my reason for supporting this amendment so fully. It is a bad 
idea to change right now how these inspectors general are selected. We 
need continuity right now. We need consistency. What we have done in 
this amendment is change it so these inspectors general will now report 
to the entire boards they serve and not to just the head of the agency. 
That is where you can get the cozy relationship and get into trouble. 
That is why, in fact, this amendment is needed.
  It also requires that two-thirds of these boards will be required to 
fire an inspector general. So this amendment will, in fact, make sure 
we have continuity, we have a cop on the beat in terms of these 
inspectors general right now and going forward, and it strengthens 
their independence and their ability to work with each other.
  I will say we have lots of nominations pending, and the notion that 
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would decide we need five more nominations pending with, I am afraid, 
secret holds that might come about--we have one inspector general who 
has a secret hold now--I certainly do not want the inspectors general 
for these agencies to be held up with secret holds over the next couple 
years and us have a lack of continuity and certainty in terms of 
leadership at these important organizations as we move forward to clean 
up this mess that has occurred in our financial sector.
  So I urge my colleagues to support the Grassley-McCaskill amendment, 
amendment No. 4072.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Iowa.
  Mr. GRASSLEY. Mr. President, the Senator from Missouri, my friend, 
has given a very good explanation of this bill. Before I give my 
version of it, which will be similar to hers, I wish to compliment her 
because she is in a position of jurisdiction over IGs. She has done a 
very good job of strengthening these positions in other legislation she 
has sponsored. So I feel very good to be in the company of the Senator 
from Missouri on this amendment.
  Our amendment would correct serious problems in section 989B of the 
Dodd-Lincoln substitute. This section of the bill would change the way 
that five inspectors general are hired and fired.
  Currently, these five inspectors general are hired and fired by the 
agency that they oversee, but section 989B would put the President in 
charge of hiring and firing them. This provision was included because 
the sponsors of the legislation believe that making inspectors general 
Presidentially appointed will make them more independent.
  However, rather than strengthening oversight over our financial 
institutions with more independent watchdogs, section 989B could 
introduce politics into what have traditionally been career, 
nonpolitical positions.
  Under the Inspector General Act of 1978, there are two types of 
inspectors general, presidentially appointed IGs and designated Federal 
entity IGs, DFE IGs. Both types of inspectors general are tasked with 
hunting down waste, fraud, and abuse at Federal agencies. However, 
there are some major differences in how they are appointed and removed 
from office and how they operate.
  DFE IGs are appointed by the agency rather than the President. The 
Inspector General Act created 30 of them, not just the 5 addressed in 
this bill. The agency-appointed IGs typically run smaller offices than 
Presidential appointees, often with just a handful of employees. Almost 
all of them oversee agencies that are headed by a bipartisan board or 
commission.
  By contrast, Presidentially appointed IG's generally run much larger 
offices and employ dozens or hundreds of employees to oversee 
Departments such as the Department of Defense, the Department of 
Justice, Health and Human Services, and so on. They are nominated by 
the President and confirmed by the Senate. They are subject to removal 
at any time by the President. However, the President must provide 
Congress 30 days notice and a written list of reasons for dismissing 
the inspector general.
  Agency-appointed IGs have a similar protection requiring that the 
agency notify Congress in advance of the reasons for any removal.
  The sponsors of section 989B argue that because agency-appointed IGs 
are hired and fired by the agency they oversee, they might be tempted 
to pull their punches more than someone who could only be fired by the 
President. I actually agree that this is a potential problem. However, 
the solution in this bill misses the mark.
  Unfortunately, section 989B only attempts to address this 
independence issue at five of the 30 agency-appointed IGs. In my view, 
this fix is too narrow. In addition, it attempts to ensure independence 
by replacing these five IGs with Presidential appointees.
  There is no evidence that Presidential appointees will be more 
independent than their predecessors. There have been problems in the 
past with Presidential appointees being too cozy with the agency they 
are supposed to oversee or pulling punches for political reasons.
  There is strong evidence that agency-appointed IGs can be fiercely 
independent despite the possibility of being removed by the agency 
head. It all depends on the quality of the appointment.
  For example, David Kotz, the Securities Exchange Commission inspector 
general has exposed the SEC's failures in the Madoff and Stanford 
cases, and is currently looking into the timing of the government suit 
against Goldman Sachs. Similarly, the Pension Benefit Guarantee 
Corporation's, PBGC, inspector general aggressively investigated the 
former head of the agency, Charles Millard, and has challenged the 
acting director about providing inaccurate information to Congress. 
Despite the potential risks of being replaced, these IGs have not been 
timid about challenging their agencies to improve.
  Because of the way section 989B is currently drafted, these IGs could 
be summarily dismissed soon after the bill is signed into law. Under 
this provision, each IG could continue to serve but only until the 
President nominates a replacement. Once the President makes a 
nomination, the IGs would no longer enjoy legal protections for their 
independence and would become instant lame ducks. In fact, SEC 
Inspector General Kotz recently stated that if this provision becomes 
law it will effectively end some of the ongoing investigations his 
office has at the SEC.
  There is a practical problem with Presidential appointments as well. 
This administration does not have a great track record in filling 
vacancies in an expeditious manner. Having no watchdog on duty is a 
concern for all Americans.
  There are over a dozen IG positions where there is a vacancy, an 
acting, or an interim IG. The administration waited 18 months to 
appoint an IG at the Federal Housing Finance Agency, which oversees 
Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. That is 18 months without strong leadership 
able to direct audits, investigations or examinations of agency policy. 
That's 18 months without a cop on the beat. Maybe that is the way the 
administration likes it. I am sure the bureaucrats at these agencies 
would enjoy life more without an inspector general asking questions. 
Imagine if the SEC were not held accountable for their failures in 
stopping the Madoff or Sanford Ponzi schemes.
  This bill would create five lame ducks in the IG community and the 
potential for more extended vacancies unless we fix it. There would be 
far less oversight during the lengthy transition process under the 
current bill with no guarantee of vigorous oversight by the new 
appointees. Essentially, this provision could politicize the positions 
that have historically been filled by career public servants.
  I know the goal of this provision is to enhance IG independence, but 
there are better ways to protect the independence of these IGs than by 
replacing them with Presidential appointees.
  We should do it more effectively and make sure that all agency-
appointed IGs are more independent, not just the five singled out in 
the bill. That is why I am offering this amendment. The Grassley-
McCaskill amendment simply applies the same sort of protections that 
have worked for one of the 30 agency appointed IGs to the other 29 
agency-appointed IGs. The Postal Service inspector general enjoys 
enhanced protections and my amendment would extend those protections 
more broadly.
  Our amendment would strike section 989B of the bill and replace it 
with a system that will bring true reform, independence, and 
accountability.
  It would make the IGs report to the entire bipartisan board or 
commission heading their agency, and the IG could only be removed for 
cause by a \2/3\ majority vote of the bipartisan board or commission. 
This would ensure that should an agency make a political attempt to 
remove an IG, there would be the possibility of dissent among the board 
or commission members.
  These are serious protections from political interference currently 
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also allows an IG to be held accountable when necessary. These same 
provisions have worked for the Postal Service inspector general and it 
is time to extend them to all the agency-appointed IGs.
  It also holds IG's accountable by requiring that they disclose the 
results of all their peer reviews in the semi-annual reports to 
Congress, thereby making them public.
  This amendment strikes the right balance, improving both independence 
and accountability of all DFE-IGs. In fact, even the White House has 
gone on the record telling the Center for Public Integrity, ``the 
administration does not support in any way politicizing the function of 
the Inspector General and we have not proposed these changes'' in the 
Dodd-Lincoln substitute.
  The amendment is supported by the nonpartisan Project on Government 
Oversight and has bipartisan support from members on the committee with 
jurisdiction over the IG Act. This important amendment deserves an up-
or-down vote at the appropriate time.
  In summary, our amendment would correct serious problems in section 
989B of the Dodd-Lincoln substitute. This section of the bill would 
change the way that five inspectors general are hired and fired. 
Currently, these five inspectors general are hired and fired by the 
agency they oversee, but this section of the bill would put the 
President in charge of hiring and firing them. This provision was 
included because sponsors of the legislation believed that making 
inspectors general presidentially appointed would make them more 
independent.
  However, rather than strengthening oversight over our financial 
institutions with more independent watchdogs, this section could 
introduce politics into what has traditionally been career, 
nonpolitical positions. It is important to ensure that this bill does 
not then hurt the oversight of these designated Federal regulatory 
agencies by the inspectors general.
  I think our amendment corrects the potential to create long-term 
vacancies at five important regulatory agencies that, quite frankly, 
cannot afford to have these sorts of vacancies and not have the proper 
oversight.
  The amendment provides true transparency, and with transparency you 
get accountability among inspectors general. We are going to bring 
about real independence--or maybe it would be better for me to say 
maintain the independence these folks have shown already.
  We should take steps to make all agency-appointed IGs more 
independent, not just the five addressed in the bill. These five should 
not be singled out. The amendment before us makes the IGs report to the 
entire bipartisan board or commission heading their agency and requires 
a two-thirds vote to remove an inspector general.
  I will not speak about the peer review Senator McCaskill has already 
spoken about. But I think it is important we have semiannual reports to 
Congress on the effectiveness of the people in their various positions. 
By reporting to the entire bipartisan board or commission rather than 
just the chairs, these IGs will be further insulated from political 
influence. As a consequence, they will be more independent. So in the 
final analysis, I think this brings the right balance to the 
independence of it.
  As I said, this amendment is supported by the nonpartisan Project On 
Government Oversight. Because it comes from another committee of 
jurisdiction, I am glad that through Senator McCaskill and other people 
on the committee, we have bipartisan support from the committee of 
jurisdiction.
  This is an important amendment and deserves an up-or-down vote at the 
appropriate time.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Connecticut.
  Mr. DODD. Mr. President, first, let me commend my colleagues from 
Iowa and Missouri for raising an issue of this importance. Senator 
Menendez of our committee, the Senator from New Jersey, has an interest 
in the subject matter, I explain to my good friends and colleagues from 
Iowa and Missouri, and he may want to be heard on this amendment.
  I understand the purpose and the intent, and in many respects I agree 
with my colleagues from Iowa and Missouri. But in fairness to my 
colleague from New Jersey, I wish to give him a chance to respond, as a 
member of our Banking Committee. So if we could just pause for a few 
minutes and give him an opportunity to come to the floor and say why he 
believes the existing language in the bill has merit, I would 
appreciate that.
  So I wish to suggest the absence of a quorum and give him a chance to 
come on over and make his case. Then, hopefully, we can get to a vote. 
In the meantime, I do not know if Senator Bingaman is here or others 
are here who would like to be heard on the Bingaman amendment and the 
side-by-side I think being offered as well. That would certainly be a 
useful use of the time. People could go and discuss that particular 
proposition while we are waiting to hear from Senator Menendez.
  So I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The assistant bill clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. DORGAN. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for 
the quorum call be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. DORGAN. Mr. President, I am going to speak for a few moments 
about the amendment I just referenced, amendment No. 4109, which was 
filed and to which there has now been an objection. As I have indicated 
to my colleague, objections run both ways. I could sit here and object 
as well to most things that are going to go on here, if we have a 
gatekeeper or several gatekeepers who decide that two amendments that 
would get a little tougher on Wall Street are amendments they don't 
want to vote on; if they don't want to countenance an amendment that 
would tighten the strings just a little bit.
  Let me speak about what this amendment is because it sounds like a 
foreign language, ``naked credit default swaps.'' ``Credit default 
swaps'' by itself sounds like a foreign language. The reason is they 
haven't been around all that long. This is an exotic financial 
instrument that was created to allow certain things to happen on Wall 
Street between banks and big hedge funds and so on. If we have not yet 
at this point understood the danger of this unbelievable orgy of 
speculation in credit default swaps--and especially what are called 
naked credit default swaps--then I guess we are destined to never fully 
understand what happened, and that is fine. Maybe some people don't 
want to know what happened.
  A naked credit default swap is pretty simple. Someone out there needs 
some money, so they issue bonds. Someone else buys the bonds. Now they 
hold the bonds and the person who issued them has the money. The person 
who bought the bonds wants to make sure the person who issued the bonds 
won't default, so they want to buy an insurance policy from someone 
else, a credit default swap. So for a small amount of money, they buy 
an insurance policy against the bonds defaulting. It is a relatively 
recent phenomenon where all of this has been created.
  Normally speaking, if someone issued bonds, the other people bought 
the bonds and they did due diligence on the other side to decide if 
this is a good risk, and that is the way it worked. Now they buy 
insurance called credit default swaps.
  The difficulty is credit default swaps are now called naked credit 
default swaps if, in fact, they have no insurable interest at all. That 
is a credit default swap that bets that someone who issued bonds is 
going to default, despite the fact that neither party to this 
transaction ever has purchased any of those bonds. They don't have an 
insurable interest in the bonds; they just made a bet. They have said: 
We have not bought those bonds over there. But those bonds were issued, 
and we would like to make a wager. We think those bonds are probably 
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will. So you have a naked credit default swap with no insurable 
interest in anything.
  Why is that troublesome? Well, I can't buy fire insurance on the 
house of the Presiding Officer in Alaska. Why would they not allow me 
to buy fire insurance on his house? Because I don't have an interest in 
his house, and they don't want about 10 or 15 people having a fire 
insurance policy on his house. The only way you can get fire insurance 
is if you have an insurable interest. I can't buy a life insurance 
policy on someone else's life because I don't have an insurable 
interest.
  Those are rules most of us understand. You can't buy fire insurance 
against somebody else's house; you can't buy a life insurance policy 
against somebody else's life. But Wall Street has discovered there is a 
new way to allow someone to buy insurance policies or speculate in 
certain kinds of insurance without ever having an interest; that is, 
allowing two parties to speculate on whether a third party might 
default on a bond issue they placed with a fourth party, despite the 
fact that the first two parties have no interest in that at all. It is 
just as if they went to Las Vegas and one bet on red and the other bet 
against red on the roulette wheel. It is just a flatout bet. It is not 
an investment; it is just a bet.
  Let me talk about how prevalent this is, just because I think it is 
important. There was about $10.9 trillion in naked credit default swaps 
held by commercial banks in the fourth quarter of last year; $10.9 
trillion held by commercial banks. Those are institutions, by the way, 
whose deposits are insured by us, by the American taxpayer, by the 
FDIC. Up to $19.9 trillion of naked credit default swaps are held by 
the top 25 holding companies.
  It is estimated by one expert that as much as 80 percent of the 
credit default swap market is traded by firms that don't own the 
underlying debt. There is also a United Kingdom report shared by the 
Congressional Research Service that says only 20 percent of the credit 
default swaps are estimated to be covered. That means 80 percent of all 
of this paper that is put out there in credit default swaps is so-
called naked. It has no insurable interest. It is a bet rather than an 
investment.
  Let me just show what some of the experts are saying about this. One 
of the editors of the Financial Times says: I can't understand why we 
are still allowing the trade in credit default swaps--he meant naked 
swaps--without ownership of the underlying securities. A generalized 
ban on so-called naked CDS's should be a no-brainer.
  It ought to be a no-brainer. It is not a no-brainer in this Chamber, 
apparently. A naked CDS purchase means someone takes out insurance on 
bonds without actually owning them. It is a purely speculative gamble. 
There is not one social or economic benefit.
  My amendment is trying to shut this down, but I am being blocked by 
those who don't want us to get tough on Wall Street.
  Charlie Munger, who is the partner of Warren Buffett and who has 
spoken a lot about these issues, said:

       If I were the governor of the world I would eliminate 
     credit default swaps entirely, 100 percent. That's the best 
     solution. It isn't as though the economic world didn't 
     function quite well without it and it isn't as though what 
     has happened has been so wonderfully desirable that we should 
     logically want more of it.

  Do we need to go to the edge of a cliff again with this economy, with 
tens of trillions of dollars of notional value of credit default swaps 
before we decide this is a problem for our country and for our future?
  Again, the associated editor of the Financial Times:

       Another argument I have heard from a lobbyist is that naked 
     CDS's allow investors to hedge more effectively. That is like 
     saying that a bank robbery brings benefits to the robber.

  Well, I guess so.
  George Soros, a pretty good investor I might say, made $3 billion 
last year, I am told in the reports:

       CDS's are toxic instruments whose use ought to be strictly 
     regulated: Only those who own the underlying bonds ought to 
     be allowed to buy them.

  Well, those are a few thoughts from some people of consequence: 
editor of the Financial Times, Charlie Munger; George Soros; and 
others. But it describes a very significant problem. It describes, in 
my judgment, a fairly large portion of what caused this country's 
economy to teeter on the edge of a cliff.
  The Treasury Secretary one day comes and leans across a lectern on a 
Friday and says to us: You need to ante up $700 billion and pass a 
three-page bill in 3 days or the economy might collapse. Now, a year 
and a half has passed, a little more, and some, I think, have too 
quickly forgotten the lessons.
  So the question is, Are we going to do something about naked credit 
default swaps, about the unbelievable orgy of speculation, the bubble 
of speculation that exists to the tune of tens of trillions of dollars?
  Let me read it again:

       Up to $10.9 trillion in naked credit default swaps were 
     held by commercial banks in this country in the fourth 
     quarter of 2009.

  I am talking about up to $10.9 trillion of naked credit default swaps 
in the bowels of commercial banks. These are institutions that we 
guarantee, we underwrite.
  I don't understand at all the notion that we should be prevented from 
addressing this issue. It may be that we have people here willing to 
shake the pompoms and be cheerleaders for naked credit default swaps. 
Good for you, if that is the way you feel. It is just you have missed a 
significant chapter of American financial history. But if you feel that 
way, vote against my legislation. My legislation would ban the use of 
naked credit default swaps.

       After the phase-in period, they are gone. If you don't have 
     an insurable interest, they are gone. It is a simple enough 
     proposition to say: Why should we have 5 or 10 times the 
     number of insurance policies against bonds than there are 
     bonds to insure? Why should we allow that? We don't allow it 
     in other circumstances.

  I understand the offering of this amendment and the shutting down of 
naked credit default swaps will cost Wall Street a substantial amount 
of money. They will not get fees on these things. I understand that. 
This is all about churning and getting fees and making a lot of money. 
I understand all that. I also understand sometimes this notion of 
making a lot of money in a short period of time by cutting corners and 
by doing things that aren't appropriate is the wrong thing.
  My colleagues know and I know that we saw banks being robbed in this 
country. Yes, we saw banks being robbed in the last several years. In 
the old days, when I used to watch the western movies, you could tell 
who the bank robber was. They usually had a bandana, they brandished a 
couple of six-guns. Often they stopped a train or they ran into a bank, 
and that is the way they robbed things.
  In the last several years, there have been some bank robberies going 
on in this country, and I can refer you to a lot of contemporary 
writing that describes the way those banks were robbed. Two people 
driving home from work, each making $20 million, one supervising the 
other in one of the biggest investment banks, loading that bank up with 
unbelievably risky investments because they know at the end of the day, 
somebody is going to lean over a lectern and say: Oh, by the way, we 
need to bail all these folks out.
  The folks who went to the basement of the Securities and Exchange 
Commission, I believe, in the year 2004-- said: We need you to allow 
us, the biggest investment banks in the country, to extend our leverage 
from 12 times to 30 times and more. You need to give us the opportunity 
to free up some money by exacerbating the leverage capabilities we 
have. The Securities and Exchange Commission, ever the compliant 
regulatory agency, said: Yes, sir--saluting handily in the basement of 
their building--absolutely, go right ahead.
  By the way, one of those companies was run by Mr. Paulson who, 2 
years later, came back as Treasury Secretary and leaned across the 
lectern and said: I need $700 billion to bail out these companies.

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  What was part and parcel of that which caused these companies to 
almost ruin this economy? Naked credit default swaps, just flatout 
gaming. Not investing, just betting. The question is, Do we want to 
continue to do that?
  I fear we are going to pass a piece of legislation that does not 
address too big to fail. At the end of the day, we will have 
institutions that are still too big to fail. I have an amendment on 
that, but I haven't bothered because we already did one amendment on 
too big to fail, the Brown-Kaufman amendment. That got 33 votes, too 
big to fail. Banning these unbelievable speculative instruments like 
naked credit default swaps, if we can't do that, it is very hard, it 
seems to me, to climb on the high step and say we have taken on this 
subject. We have really made sure this isn't going to happen again. So 
I have an amendment that is filed, and now I am told that, no; it is 
inconvenient and uncomfortable for me to offer this amendment and, 
therefore, someone has objected.
  To my colleague from Alabama, I would say I understand. He is 
required--when people in the caucus say there is an objection, his job 
is to reflect the objection of someone in his caucus. So my beef is not 
with him. But I would just say that it is not acceptable to me to, at 5 
o'clock on Tuesday, have a process by which we have now decided that if 
amendments are inconvenient--getting a little too tough on Wall Street; 
trying to draw the strings a little tighter on things that have to be 
fixed in this bill--if that is the case, well, then, you know what. We 
are not going to allow those things to be offered. We will just sit 
here and offer amendments on tourism or something else equally benign.
  If that is the case, then I will just sit here as well and say that 
is not a process I respect. It seems to me we ought to have the right 
to bring to this Chamber at this point, given the shadow of what we 
have been through as a country, the right to bring amendments to this 
bill that try to address some very significant problems; the right to 
bring them to the floor, to have a debate, and to offer them for a 
vote. If that is not going to be the case, then I am going to sit here 
and object to proceeding until it is the case.
  So my colleague, Senator Bingaman, I know is here. I have more to 
say, but I will save it because I fully expect either to get to this 
amendment or to be sitting here for some long while, and I will have an 
opportunity again to talk about naked credit default swaps, their 
danger to this economy, and why, when this bill is done, it ought to 
include the provisions of amendment No. 4109 which bans the use of 
naked credit default swaps and says there is a place to gamble in 
America and it is not in a bank lobby.
  If you want to put a Keno table or a blackjack table in a bank lobby, 
shame on you. We ought to pass this amendment, and, most importantly, 
we ought to allow amendments to be offered. I will sit here until that 
is the case.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from New Mexico is recognized.


         Amendment No. 3892, as Modified, to Amendment No. 3739

  Mr. BINGAMAN. Madam President, I call up amendment No. 3892, as 
modified, for consideration.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mrs. Hagan). The clerk will report.
  The legislative clerk read as follows:

       The Senator from New Mexico [Mr. Bingaman], for himself, 
     Ms. Murkowski, Mr. Reid, Mr. Brownback, Ms. Cantwell, Mr. 
     Cornyn, Mr. Wyden, Mr. Corker, Mr. Inouye, Mrs. Murray, and 
     Mrs. Shaheen, proposes an amendment numbered 3892 to 
     amendment No. 3739.

  Mr. BINGAMAN. Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that reading 
of the amendment be dispensed with.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  The amendment is as follows:

 (Purpose: To preserve the authority of the Federal Energy Regulatory 
Commission to ensure just and reasonable electric and natural gas rates 
                  and to protect the public interest)

       On page 565, between lines 2 and 3, insert the following:
       (e) Just and Reasonable Rates.--Section 2(a)(1)(C) of the 
     Commodity Exchange Act (7 U.S.C. 2(a)(1)(C)) (as amended by 
     section 717(a)) is amended by adding at the end the 
     following:
       ``(vi) Notwithstanding the exclusive jurisdiction of the 
     Commission with respect to accounts, agreements, and 
     transactions involving swaps or contracts of sale of a 
     commodity for future delivery under this Act, no provision of 
     this Act shall be construed--

       ``(I) to supersede or limit the authority of the Federal 
     Energy Regulatory Commission under the Federal Power Act (16 
     U.S.C. 791a et seq.) or the Natural Gas Act (15 U.S.C. 717 et 
     seq.);
       ``(II) to restrict the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission 
     from carrying out the duties and responsibilities of the 
     Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to ensure just and 
     reasonable rates and protect the public interest under the 
     Acts described in subclause (I); or
       ``(III) to supersede or limit the authority of a State 
     regulatory authority (as defined in section 3(21) of the 
     Federal Power Act (16 U.S.C. 796(21)) that has jurisdiction 
     to regulate rates and charges for the sale of electric energy 
     within the State, or restrict that State regulatory authority 
     from carrying out the duties and responsibilities of the 
     State regulatory authority pursuant to the jurisdiction of 
     the State regulatory authority to regulate rates and charges 
     for the transmission or sale of electric energy.''.

       (f) Public Interest Waiver.--Section 4(c) of the Commodity 
     Exchange Act (7 U.S.C. 6(c)) (as amended by section 721(d)) 
     is amended by adding at the end the following:
       ``(6) If the Commission determines that the exemption would 
     be consistent with the public interest and the purposes of 
     this Act, the Commission shall, in accordance with paragraphs 
     (1) and (2), exempt from the requirements of this Act an 
     agreement, contract, or transaction that is entered into--
       ``(A) pursuant to a tariff or rate schedule approved or 
     permitted to take effect by the Federal Energy Regulatory 
     Commission;
       ``(B) pursuant to a tariff or rate schedule establishing 
     rates or charges for, or protocols governing, the sale of 
     electric energy approved or permitted to take effect by the 
     regulatory authority of the State or municipality having 
     jurisdiction to regulate rates and charges for the sale of 
     electric energy within the State or municipality; or
       ``(C) between entities described in section 201(f) of the 
     Federal Power Act (16 U.S.C. 824(f)).''.

  Mr. BINGAMAN. Madam President, the amendment that is before the 
Senate, No. 3892, as modified, is one I talked about at length a week 
ago last Friday, so it has now been about 11 days ago. I will summarize 
it again and make some comments about some of the things that have 
happened since then.
  First, let me ask unanimous consent to add Senators Shaheen, Murray, 
and Inouye as cosponsors.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. BINGAMAN. Madam President, with the addition of those three 
Senators, the other cosponsors on the amendment are Senators Murkowski, 
Reid from Nevada, Brownback, Cantwell, Wyden, Cornyn, and Corker.
  The amendment preserves the existing authority of the Federal Energy 
Regulatory Commission and the authority of the States to be sure that 
electricity and natural gas rates are just and reasonable, while at the 
same time leaving the Commodity Futures Trading Commission its full 
authority to police derivatives and futures markets.
  First, I applaud the good work Senator Dodd and Senator Shelby have 
done on this bill. I particularly applaud the provisions that have come 
from Senators Lincoln and Chambliss and the Agriculture Committee in 
setting up a system to get control of derivatives markets.
  I am, however, concerned that without this amendment, the law could 
be interpreted to allow the Commodity Futures Trading Commission to 
override the jurisdiction the Congress has given to the FERC and that 
the new provisions included here could make this problem worse.
  There is probably not a sector of the economy that is more tightly 
regulated than the electricity industry. The natural gas industry is 
not far behind for a claim to that title. FERC regulates wholesale 
rates and transportation in interstate commerce for both electricity 
and gas and must approve mergers of utilities. FERC also has authority 
to police the manipulation of electricity and gas markets, granted by 
the Congress in 2005 as a response to Enron's manipulation of 
electricity markets in the West. The States have that same authority 
for retail sales both with regard to electricity and natural gas. There 
are tight rules for

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transactions among affiliates of holding companies in these industries. 
There are extensive transparency and reporting requirements for 
contracts and transactions. This is all intended to be sure that the 
customers of utilities are getting what they are paying for and that 
they are paying rates that, in fact, are just and reasonable.
  The concern has been that the exclusive jurisdiction of the CFTC 
under the Commodities Exchange Act could be interpreted to supersede 
the regulation by FERC of important aspects of these industries.
  The amendment I am offering with my cosponsors is a proposed solution 
that I believe is consistent with the philosophy of consumer protection 
that underlies other parts of the bill we are considering. The effect 
is simple. This amendment preserves the authority of both the Federal 
Energy Regulatory Commission and the individual States to ensure that 
electricity and natural gas rates are just and reasonable, and in the 
case of FERC, to prevent market manipulation that could affect prices.
  Direct examination of prices is central to each agency's mission. In 
FERC's case, this authority is longstanding; it was established over 70 
years ago. Without this amendment, a critical check on energy prices 
could be lost, and this is so for two obvious reasons: First, the 
CFTC's so-called ``exclusive jurisdiction'' could be interpreted to 
operate to prevent FERC and State public utility commissions from 
acting, where their jurisdictions intersect the CFTC's jurisdiction. 
Second, the CFTC's regulatory mission differs significantly from that 
of the FERC and the State public utility commissions. The Commodity 
Futures Trading Commission's mission is to protect market participants 
and promote fair and orderly trading. It doesn't directly examine 
commodity prices in its markets, nor does it consider the 
reasonableness of rates. While properly functioning futures markets are 
important, the CFTC cannot duplicate the direct ratepayer protections 
provided by the FERC and by the State public utility commissions.
  There are some things this amendment does not do that it has been 
charged with doing. First, it doesn't give FERC jurisdiction over 
futures, swaps, or options. FERC has jurisdiction over rates for the 
sale of electricity and gas and contracts that are associated with 
those sales. Derivatives that are related are still jurisdictional to 
the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. Nothing changes in that 
regard. We are merely preserving that authority that the Federal Power 
Act and the Natural Gas Act gave to FERC decades ago and in the Energy 
Policy Act of 2005. Second, the amendment doesn't give FERC 
jurisdiction over NYMEX or ICE or any other futures exchanges. They are 
not public utilities. They do not sell electricity or natural gas.
  As I have said, I support this bill generally. I believe it is 
essential in ensuring that consumers are protected. However, both I and 
my cosponsors strongly believe it is necessary to preserve enduring 
consumer protections that might otherwise be lost.
  It is a simple, tailored amendment that doesn't create any loopholes 
in jurisdiction. It also does nothing to diminish the ability of the 
CFTC to regulate commodity exchanges such as NYMEX or to require public 
disclosure of swaps or any other public authority they have to regulate 
the mechanics of commodity markets, including those who trade energy 
commodities.
  We have received letters of support for this amendment from the 
National Association of Regulatory Utility Commissioners, the FERC, 
utility industry companies and associations, including Edison Electric 
Institute, the American Public Power Association, the American Public 
Gas Association, the Electric Power Supply Association, the American 
Wind Energy Association, the California Independent System Operator, 
the American Gas Association, the Large Public Power Council, the 
Natural Gas Supply Association, Compete, and PJM Interconnection.
  I ask unanimous consent to have printed in the Record the letters of 
support I have referred to following my statement.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  (See exhibit 1.)
  Mr. BINGAMAN. Mr. President, I have also been informed that the 
administration supports this amendment. I advise my colleagues that is 
the case as well.
  Once again, I thank my cosponsors and urge my colleagues to support 
the amendment. I gather that a time will be found during our 
deliberations of the bill to consider the amendment.
  With that, I yield the floor.

                                                     May 11, 2010.
     Hon. Harry Reid,
     Majority Leader, U.S. Senate,
     Washington, DC.
     Hon. Jeff Bingaman,
     Chairman, Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, U.S. 
         Senate, Washington, DC.
     Hon. Lisa Murkowski, 
     Ranking Member, Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, 
         U.S. Senate, Washington, DC.
       Dear Leader Reid, Chairman Bingaman and Ranking Member 
     Murkowski: We are writing in support of your amendment to S. 
     3217, the Restoring American Financial Stability Act, which 
     would preserve the authority of the Federal Energy Regulatory 
     Commission (FERC) and the states to ensure just and 
     reasonable rates for electricity and natural gas consumers. 
     The undersigned associations represent most of the 
     electricity and natural gas consumers in the United States.
       FERC and the states already regulate transactions, 
     products, services and agreements in wholesale and retail 
     electricity and natural gas markets, respectively. In 
     addition, FERC regulates regional transmission organizations 
     (RTOs) and independent system operators (ISOs), which are 
     responsible for the planning and operation of the 
     transmission grid in many areas of the country. There is no 
     regulatory gap that needs to be filled with respect to the 
     transactions, agreements, contracts, products and services 
     that regulated energy companies provide.
       The underlying derivatives language in the Senate financial 
     reform bill could cause the Commodity Futures Trading 
     Commission to assert jurisdiction to regulate products 
     offered in wholesale electricity markets, such as financial 
     transmission rights (FTRs), which are used to manage the cost 
     of transmission congestion. This could affect the ability of 
     our member companies and utilities to have continued access 
     to FTRs and other products on reasonable terms and 
     conditions, which is essential to their ability to reliably 
     serve their retail consumers at reasonable rates and with 
     less price volatility.
       We thank you and the other co-sponsors of this amendment 
     for recognizing and addressing this issue. While a more clear 
     delineation of FERC's authority would be helpful, we believe 
     this amendment is a significant step in the right direction, 
     and we look forward to passage of the amendment and 
     continuing dialogue on this issue as financial regulatory 
     reform legislation moves forward in Congress.
           Sincerely,
         American Gas Association; American Public Power 
           Association; American Wind Energy Association; 
           California ISO; COMPETE; Edison Electric Institute; 
           Electric Power Supply Association; Large Public Power 
           Council; Natural Gas Supply Association; PJM 
           Interconnection, L.L.C.
                                  ____

         Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, Office of the 
           Chairman,
                                     Washington, DC, May 12, 2010.
     Hon. Jeff Bingaman,
     Chairman, Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, U.S. 
         Senate, Washington, DC.
     Hon. Lisa Murkowski,
     Ranking Member, Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, 
         U.S. Senate, Washington, DC.
       Dear Chairman Bingaman and Ranking Member Murkowski: I 
     write in support of your bipartisan amendment No. 3892 to 
     amendment No. 3739 to. S. 3217, the financial regulatory 
     reform legislation currently being debated by the Senate.
       Your amendment preserves existing Federal Energy Regulatory 
     Commission (FERC) authority to protect energy consumers from 
     rate increases and in no way allows FERC to supersede the 
     regulatory jurisdiction of the Commodity Futures Trading 
     Commission (CFTC) with respect to the markets or instruments 
     the CFTC now regulates, especially futures markets. Any 
     suggestion to the contrary flies in the face of the plain 
     language of your amendment.
       As you know, FERC is the only federal agency charged with 
     regulating physical electricity and natural gas markets for 
     ``just and reasonable rates''. But the broad jurisdiction the 
     underlying legislation grants to the CFTC over ``swaps'' 
     could undermine FERC's ability to regulate the electricity 
     and natural gas markets and thus lead to increased costs to 
     consumers, because CFTC has no ratemaking authority. Your 
     amendment rightly maintains FERC's ratemaking authority 
     within the physical electricity and natural gas markets while 
     preserving CFTC's

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     role to ensure that the futures markets operate in a fair and 
     orderly manner.
       FERC also has an obligation to police the physical 
     electricity and natural gas markets for fraud and 
     manipulation and punish any wrongdoing. In the aftermath of 
     the California energy crisis and the schemes perpetrated by 
     Enron and others, Congress gave FERC under EPAct 2005 more 
     robust authorities to prevent fraud and market manipulation 
     by allowing a penalty of up to $1 million per violation per 
     day. In Fiscal Year 2009, FERC's policing efforts yielded 
     approximately $38.3 million in civil penalties and recovered 
     $38.7 million in ill-gotten gains. We are concerned that the 
     underlying bill could inadvertently undermine those 
     authorities, but your amendment will preserve them.
       Finally, I note that the American Gas Association, the 
     American Public Power Association, the American Wind Energy 
     Association, the Edison Electric Institute, the Electric 
     Power Supply Association, the Large Public Power Council, the 
     National Association of Regulatory Utility Commissioners, the 
     Natural Gas Supply Association, California ISO, PJM 
     Interconnection, L.L.C., and COMPETE support your amendment.
           Sincerely,
                                                  Jon Wellinghoff,
     Chairman.
                                  ____

                                           National Association of


                             Regulatory Utility Commissioners,

                                                     May 10, 2010.
     Re Bingaman, Murkowski, Reid Amendment to the ``Restoring 
         American Financial Stability Act'' (S. 3217).

     Hon. Jeff Bingaman,
     Chairman, Committee on Energy & Nat. Resources, U.S. Senate.
     Hon. Lisa Murkowski,
     Ranking Member, Committee on Energy & Nat. Resources, U.S. 
         Senate.
     Hon. Harry Reid,
     Majority Leader,
     U.S. Senate.
       Dear Chairman Bingaman, Ranking Member Murkowski, and 
     Majority Leader Reid: On behalf of the National Association 
     of Regulatory Utility Commissioners (NARUC), I write to you 
     today to express NARUC's strong support for your amendment to 
     the ``Restoring American Financial Stability Act'' (S. 3217) 
     addressing federal and State electric and gas utility rate 
     jurisdiction. Your Amendment correctly confirms State and 
     federal regulatory authority to ensure that retail and 
     wholesale energy consumers pay just and reasonable rates for 
     utility service.
       The FERC and the States are the regulatory agencies with 
     the necessary expertise and statutory mandates to oversee 
     electricity and natural gas markets to protect the public 
     interest and consumers. S. 3217 should not preempt FERC and 
     the States from continuing to exercise their authority under 
     existing law to ensure consumers pay just and reasonable 
     rates for reliable utility service. These markets that are 
     already regulated by FERC and the States under accepted 
     tariffs or rate schedules should remain subject to this 
     existing regulation, which includes jurisdiction over 
     physical and financial transmission rights and market 
     oversight.
       NARUC thanks you and your colleagues for offering this 
     important amendment. By continuing FERC and State authority, 
     under S. 3217, to oversee any agreement, contract, 
     transaction, product, market mechanism or service offered or 
     provided pursuant to a tariff or rate schedule filed and 
     accepted by the FERC and/or the States, we believe this 
     amendment ensures that the consumers and the public interest 
     will be protected.
           Sincerely,
                                                  Charles D. Gray,
     Executive Director.
                                  ____



                              American Farm Bureau Federation,

                                     Washington, DC, May 14, 2010.
       Dear Senator: On May 13, the American Farm Bureau 
     Federation (AFBF) wrote you in opposition to Senate Amendment 
     #3892 to be offered by Senator Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) to S. 
     3217, the Senate financial markets reform package. Sen. 
     Bingaman has modified the amendment since that time and we 
     wish to notify you that we can now support it.
       The amendment acknowledges and protects continued Federal 
     Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) jurisdiction over 
     physical natural gas and electricity transactions. In 
     addition, the amendment acknowledges continued Commodity 
     Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) jurisdiction over energy 
     futures and options contracts traded on CFTC-regulated 
     exchanges. The CFTC has long had regulatory authority over 
     exchange-traded futures and options transactions, and this 
     has worked well to maintain the price discovery function of 
     these markets.
       Finally, the amendment provides that the new CFTC 
     jurisdiction over ``swaps'' (contained in S. 3217) does not 
     change this status quo allocation of jurisdiction between 
     FERC and the CFTC. Rather, the amendment now sets forth an 
     expedited and cooperative exemption process to allow both 
     regulatory agencies to fulfill their obligations to the 
     American public.
       We appreciate your work on this important legislation.
           Sincerely,
                                                     Bob Stallman,
                                                        President.

  Mr. BINGAMAN. Madam President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The assistant legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. GRASSLEY. Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that the order 
for the quorum call be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.


                Amendment No. 4072 to Amendment No. 3739

  Mr. GRASSLEY. Madam President, I ask unanimous consent to set aside 
the pending amendment for the purpose of calling up amendment No. 4072.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will report the amendment.
  The Senator from North Dakota.
  Mr. DORGAN. Madam President, I object.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator has the right to call up his 
amendment under the previous order.
  The clerk will report the amendment.
  The assistant editor of the Dailey Digest read as follows:

       The Senator from Iowa [Mr. Grassley] proposes an amendment 
     numbered 4072 to amendment No. 3739.

  Mr. GRASSLEY. Madam President, I ask unanimous consent to waive the 
reading of the amendment in the whole.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  The amendment is as follows:

  (Purpose: To provide for the independence of Inspecters General of 
     certain designated Federal entitites, and for other purposes)

       Strike 989B, insert the following:

     SEC. 989B. DESIGNATED FEDERAL ENTITY INSPECTORS GENERAL 
                   INDEPENDENCE.

       Section 8G of the Inspector General Act of 1978 (5 U.S.C. 
     App.) is amended--
       (1) in subsection (a)(4)--
       (A) in the matter preceding subparagraph (A), by inserting 
     ``the board or commission of the designated Federal entity, 
     or in the event the designated Federal entity does not have a 
     board or commission,'' after ``means'';
       (B) in subparagraph (A), by striking ``and'' after the 
     semicolon; and
       (C) by adding after subparagraph (B) the following:
       ``(C) with respect to the Federal Labor Relations 
     Authority, such term means the members of the Authority 
     (described under section 7104 of title 5, United States 
     Code);
       ``(D) with respect to the National Archives and Records 
     Administration, such term means the Archivist of the United 
     States;
       ``(E) with respect to the National Credit Union 
     Administration, such term means the National Credit Union 
     Administration Board (described under section 102 of the 
     Federal Credit Union Act (12 U.S.C. 1752a);
       ``(F) with respect to the National Endowment of the Arts, 
     such term means the National Council on the Arts;
       ``(G) with respect to the National Endowment for the 
     Humanities, such term means the National Council on the 
     Humanities; and
       ``(H) with respect to the Peace Corps, such term means the 
     Director of the Peace Corps;''; and
       (2) in subsection (h), by inserting ``if the designated 
     Federal entity is not a board or commission, include'' after 
     ``designated Federal entities and''.

     SEC. 989C. STRENGTHENING INSPECTOR GENERAL ACCOUNTABILITY.

       Section 5(a) of the Inspector General Act of 1978 (5 U.S.C. 
     App.) is amended--
       (1) in paragraph (12), by striking ``and'' after the 
     semicolon;
       (2) in paragraph (13), by striking the period and inserting 
     a semicolon; and
       (3) by adding at the end the following:
       ``(14)(A) an appendix containing the results of any peer 
     review conducted by another Office of Inspector General 
     during the reporting period; or
       ``(B) if no peer review was conducted within that reporting 
     period, a statement identifying the date of the last peer 
     review conducted by another Office of Inspector General;
       ``(15) a list of any outstanding recommendations from any 
     peer review conducted by another Office of Inspector General 
     that have not been fully implemented, including a statement 
     describing the status of the implementation and why 
     implementation is not complete; and
       ``(16) a list of any peer reviews conducted by the 
     Inspector General of another Office of the Inspector General 
     during the reporting period, including a list of any 
     outstanding recommendations made from any previous peer 
     review (including any peer review conducted before the 
     reporting period) that remain outstanding or have not been 
     fully implemented.''.

     SEC. 989D. REMOVAL OF INSPECTORS GENERAL OF DESIGNATED 
                   FEDERAL ENTITIES.

       Section 8G(e) of the Inspector General Act of 1978 (5 
     U.S.C. App.) is amended--

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       (1) by redesignating the sentences following ``(e)'' as 
     paragraph (2); and
       (2) by striking ``(e)'' and inserting the following:
       ``(e)(1) In the case of a designated Federal entity for 
     which a board or commission is the head of the designated 
     Federal entity, a removal under this subsection may only be 
     made upon the written concurrence of a \2/3\ majority of the 
     board or commission.''.

     SEC. 989E. ADDITIONAL OVERSIGHT OF FINANCIAL REGULATORY 
                   SYSTEM.

       (a) Council of Inspectors General on Financial Oversight.--
       (1) Establishment and membership.--There is established a 
     Council of Inspectors General on Financial Oversight (in this 
     section referred to as the ``Council of Inspectors General'') 
     chaired by the Inspector General of the Department of the 
     Treasury and composed of the inspectors general of the 
     following:
       (A) The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System.
       (B) The Commodity Futures Trading Commission.
       (C) The Department of Housing and Urban Development.
       (D) The Department of the Treasury.
       (E) The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation.
       (F) The Federal Housing Finance Agency.
       (G) The National Credit Union Administration.
       (H) The Securities and Exchange Commission.
       (I) The Troubled Asset Relief Program (until the 
     termination of the authority of the Special Inspector General 
     for such program under section 121(k) of the Emergency 
     Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (12 U.S.C. 5231(k))).
       (2) Duties.--
       (A) Meetings.--The Council of Inspectors General shall meet 
     not less than once each quarter, or more frequently if the 
     chair considers it appropriate, to facilitate the sharing of 
     information among inspectors general and to discuss the 
     ongoing work of each inspector general who is a member of the 
     Council of Inspectors General, with a focus on concerns that 
     may apply to the broader financial sector and ways to improve 
     financial oversight.
       (B) Annual report.--Each year the Council of Inspectors 
     General shall submit to the Council and to Congress a report 
     including--
       (i) for each inspector general who is a member of the 
     Council of Inspectors General, a section within the exclusive 
     editorial control of such inspector general that highlights 
     the concerns and recommendations of such inspector general in 
     such inspector general's ongoing and completed work, with a 
     focus on issues that may apply to the broader financial 
     sector; and
       (ii) a summary of the general observations of the Council 
     of Inspectors General based on the views expressed by each 
     inspector general as required by clause (i), with a focus on 
     measures that should be taken to improve financial oversight.
       (3) Working groups to evaluate council.--
       (A) Convening a working group.--The Council of Inspectors 
     General may, by majority vote, convene a Council of 
     Inspectors General Working Group to evaluate the 
     effectiveness and internal operations of the Council.
       (B) Personnel and resources.--The inspectors general who 
     are members of the Council of Inspectors General may detail 
     staff and resources to a Council of Inspectors General 
     Working Group established under this paragraph to enable it 
     to carry out its duties.
       (C) Reports.--A Council of Inspectors General Working Group 
     established under this paragraph shall submit regular reports 
     to the Council and to Congress on its evaluations pursuant to 
     this paragraph.
       (b) Response to Report by Council.--The Council shall 
     respond to the concerns raised in the report of the Council 
     of Inspectors General under subsection (a)(2)(B) for such 
     year.

  Mr. GRASSLEY. Madam President, I yield the floor, and I suggest the 
absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The assistant editor of the Daily Digest proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. MENENDEZ. Madam President, I ask unanimous consent the order for 
the quorum call be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection?
  Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. MENENDEZ. Madam President, I rise to speak on the pending 
amendment, the amendment by Senator Grassley. I have a great deal of 
respect for the Senator from Iowa. Actually, there is a series of 
things I propose that are in the underlying bill that go to the heart 
of much of what that amendment is going to do.
  I would start off by saying I agree with most of what my colleagues 
are proposing. I agree we need to make sure we have a strong regulatory 
agency to act as cops on the beat. We need to make sure those cops on 
the beat are doing their job.
  I agree we should require financial regulators to respond when 
inspectors general identify deficiencies in their agencies--either by 
taking corrective action or explaining to Congress why they are not 
taking those actions.
  I agree we should require inspectors general to report to the board 
of the organization rather than the head of the organization.
  I agree we should require publication of any negative recommendations 
from the inspector general's peer review of the work of other 
inspectors general.
  I also agree inspectors general should not suffer any reduction in 
pay and that current inspectors general should keep their jobs until 
the new Presidential appointment system I included in the legislation 
kicks in.
  I think those are great ideas and I proposed them myself. But here is 
where we have a disagreement. That is that this amendment takes away 
something I think is incredibly important in the underlying bill. It 
takes away making these inspectors general at these financial 
institutions Presidential appointments with Senate confirmation of 
inspectors general at financial regulatory agencies. In its place, it 
wants to let the heads of the agencies appoint their own inspectors 
general.
  I think that inures to the possibility of conflicts of interest. 
Look, if I am the head of an agency and I am going to put in the cop on 
the beat who is going to supervise me, the inclination is to pick 
someone who is going to give me a lot of flexibility at the end of the 
day.
  I want a robust cop on the beat. The way I ensure there is a robust 
cop on the beat, in terms of the inspector general, is having a 
Presidentially appointed one, one confirmed by the Senate, to know that 
in fact this person is worthy of pursuing all of the actions of that 
particular agency in a robust way so they are independent of the 
agency, not appointed by the very head of the agency they are now going 
to supervise and review.
  I think that is a fundamental weakness, which is why the Banking 
Committee agreed with me and put the Presidential appointment there and 
Senate confirmation of inspectors general at financial regulatory 
agencies.
  It seems to me what we want an inspector general to do is make sure 
the agency is doing its job. Being appointed by the head of the very 
agency I have to criticize, that I have to critique, that I may raise 
actions about, means it is a lot less likely the inspector general is 
truly independent. It is like going to court and saying let me pick the 
judge who is going to decide on my case. We wouldn't tolerate that in a 
courtroom and I do not see this as being any different.
  I have so much with which I am in agreement with my distinguished 
colleague, as I mentioned at the beginning--all of those elements. I 
think we need to make sure when an inspector general identifies 
efficiencies, either by taking corrective action or explaining to 
Congress why they are not, that needs to be responded to by the 
regulators. I agree we should require inspectors general to report to 
the boards of organizations rather than the head of the organization. I 
agree we should require publication of any negative recommendation from 
the IG peer review of any other inspector general's work. I agree the 
inspectors general should not suffer any reduction in pay and that 
those who are there should be able to keep their job until the new 
Presidential appointment system kicks in.
  But at the end of the day, if we want a true cop on the beat who is 
independent of the very agency he or she has to review, I would not 
want them appointed by the head of the agency and say to themselves, 
who am I appointing? Am I appointing a robust cop on the beat or am I 
appointing someone who is far less than robust?
  We have forum shopping in the court. Trial lawyers try to pick the 
best judge from their perspective as to who can best look at their 
case. I want to be honest. I don't think we should be having the agency 
heads picking the IG and looking at who is going to treat them most 
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  I think that is what is at stake. The underlying bill permits the 
Presidentially appointed, Senate confirmed. I think we should have that 
right. I think we need a robust cop on the beat and that is why in that 
one respect I oppose the Grassley amendment.
  I hope we can work something out so we can keep the Presidential 
appointment and Senate confirmation and have all of the other 
safeguards, many of which I already offered in the bill to be included, 
and we would have a harmony of view and a robust inspector general 
regime.
  If we are going to have an up-or-down vote on the existing amendment 
without any changes, then I urge a ``no'' vote. But I do hope we can 
make a change that permits the inspector general to be Presidentially 
appointed, confirmed by the Senate. That confers the ultimate 
independence, the ultimate vigilance, the ultimate vigor in pursuing 
the very same things my colleague from Iowa and I want to see happen.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Iowa.
  Mr. GRASSLEY. Madam President, I appreciate very much the words of my 
colleague from New Jersey. He is a very thoughtful Senator. He is a 
member of the Finance Committee so I have a lot of relationships with 
him. I am glad he spoke highly of some of the changes we have suggested 
in the IG system generally through our amendment. But I think the real 
difference for Senator McCaskill and this Senator is the fact of 
whether they should be Presidentially appointed. That is probably a 
difference that is going to be hard to bridge. So I will speak to that 
point and also say I hope Senator McCaskill will be able to come over 
here and rebut Senator Menendez because she is on the committee that 
has jurisdiction over IGs, and she has been very much involved over her 
recent tenure in the Senate on strengthening the system of IGs.
  She will probably speak with more authority on this issue than I can, 
from the standpoint that I am not on that committee--even though I am 
involved very deeply in strengthening IGs because I think they are an 
extension of the checks and balances of government, particularly the 
extent to which they work with those of us involved in the 
constitutional responsibility of oversight performed by the Congress.
  I wish to say flat out I do not accept the argument that 
Presidentially appointed IGs are always more independent. I think 
Senator McCaskill spoke on this point earlier when she was presenting 
our amendment. In fact, Presidential appointments raise another 
problem. President Obama has had a problem with filling IG vacancies. 
It took the President 18 months to appoint the IG at the Federal 
Housing Finance Agency. That is one example. Eighteen months without a 
cop on the beat would be a disaster at these financial agencies. Just 
think, if the SEC, Securities and Exchange Commission, did not have an 
IG for 18 months, how many more Madoffs would there be, how many more 
Sanford Ponzi schemes would there be.
  Our amendment provides flexibility with accountability and 
transparency by reporting to the entire board or commission. The IG is 
not beholden to one person.
  That brings up the point, for 80 years now, since independent 
agencies have been set up--well, I suppose for 130 years, going back to 
the setting up of the Interstate Commerce Commission, as an example--
they have been meant to be a fourth branch of government, pretty much 
immune to any one President due to the fact they are appointed to 
overlapping terms and there has to be representation of both political 
parties on a commission. Just from the history and purpose of 
independent agencies, you would also want to make sure that inspector 
general was independent from the chief executive; not totally 
independent--because the President appoints them--but at least more 
independent than inspectors general in Treasury and State and the 
Justice Department--name any of the Cabinet positions you want.
  Also, it provides for accountability by requiring a two-thirds vote 
to remove an inspector general. If the inspector general were appointed 
by the President, the IG could be removed, then, by one person. This 
takes politics out of the equation. Our amendment takes politics out of 
the equation. It strengthens the IG's independence and obviously that 
is why we are offering the amendment.
  I suppose we are offering the amendment from the standpoint that we 
want that independence to be there because it has accountability with 
independence; also, because we think there can be a lapse in the work 
of an inspector general when a President takes a long time to appoint 
somebody.
  In further response to the reasons Senator Menendez has given, I wish 
to say that the underlying language in the bill would allow the IGs to 
serve, yes, until the President appoints someone.
  But this means once the President nominates someone, the current IG 
is removed because there is a long lapse between appointment and Senate 
confirmation. This means the entire time the Senate debates the 
nominee, the agency does not have an IG. This is an invitation to allow 
waste, fraud, and abuse and mismanagement in agencies.
  So we come to you--when I say ``we,'' I mean Senator McCaskill and 
myself--with a sincere desire that if something is not broken, do not 
fix it. We come with a desire to say these agencies are so important 
there should not be any lapse in time between what they are doing now 
and some new process of bringing somebody aboard.
  I have seen the independence of these IGs to do their job and to help 
us uncover a lot of things that are wrong, particularly, as I think I 
have been able to point out with the Securities and Exchange 
Commission, not only under this administration but under the previous 
administration.
  Probably in the last couple of years of the Bush administration, we 
were able to, working with IGs, make sure the job was done right and 
exposed a lot of things that were wrong.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from New Jersey.
  Mr. MENENDEZ. Madam President, I appreciate the statement of my 
colleague from Iowa. I will just make one or two observations. First, 
if we are talking about someone being beholden to one person, well, 
under the Senator's view that person is going to be beholden to the 
department authority that appoints him, the very same department 
authority that person is going to supervise and review. So it seems to 
me to the extent that there is always going to be an appointing 
authority, I would rather have the President of the United States, with 
the interests of the American people, whatever President that might be, 
be the appointing authority over an agency where the IG is not going to 
be beholden to the agency that appointed them.
  I think that is a much more compelling issue. As it relates to the 
time, the lapse of time, I would just simply say, well, first of all, 
if we do not have filibusters and have up-or-down votes on people, then 
we will not have much of a lapse in time in terms of having an IG come 
before the Senate for confirmation.
  I do not know why Senators would want to give up the right they would 
have under the bill to confirm inspectors general and make sure that 
person has a robust quality to them, the integrity and the background 
and the history to make sure they are going to go after this agency 
when it is appropriate to do so.
  I would say, to the extent that any lapse of time versus the robust 
nature of how this person gets appointed is worthy of consideration. So 
I do not find, while I agree with my colleague on so many of the other 
points I have already mentioned, this one fundamental issue is one that 
I find difficult to understand how, when it is like--sort of like 
having the fox be appointed to watch the chicken coop. If I appoint 
someone to watch over me, I would like to believe I am going to have 
the most robust, tough cop on the beat do it. But human nature being 
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to do that. I am not so sure they are going to pick the toughest cop on 
the beat versus actually someone who might have a less vigilant view. I 
think maybe we can agree that inspectors general have to come for an 
immediate vote on the Senate floor and not be subject to being 
filibustered, and this way we could have an up-or-down vote on them and 
the issue of lapsing time would be taken care of.
  With that, I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Iowa.
  Mr. GRASSLEY. Madam President, this will be the last time I will 
speak on it, and just for a couple of minutes. I hope the Senate would 
give some discretion to the fact that when Senator McCaskill comes 
over, that she would be able to speak for 2 or 3 minutes on this issue 
so that people can hear from the other side of the aisle on the 
importance of this amendment.
  We appear to have a fundamental difference regarding how independent 
Presidential appointees are. If I were an inspector general, I would 
feel more independent with a two-thirds vote of a bipartisan panel, 
meaning commission appointees, as opposed to one person. Our amendment 
assures IGs, if they are terminated, it will be in a public forum and 
not the back room of the White House, if they are Presidentially 
appointed.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from North Dakota.


                Amendment No. 4114 to Amendment No. 4072

  (Purpose: To ban naked credit default swaps and for other purposes.)

  Mr. DORGAN. Madam President, I send a second-degree amendment to the 
desk to the Grassley amendment.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will report.
  The assistant legislative clerk read as follows:

       The Senator from North Dakota [Mr. Dorgan] proposes an 
     amendment numbered 4114 to amendment No. 4072.

  Mr. DORGAN. I ask unanimous consent that the reading of the amendment 
be dispensed with.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  (The amendment is printed in today's Record under ``Text of 
Amendments.'')
  Mr. DORGAN. Madam President, the second-degree amendment that I have 
just sent to the desk to the Grassley amendment is the amendment that 
there has been an objection to my offering. So it is the only way, 
apparently, I can offer the amendment. It is the amendment dealing with 
naked credit default swaps.
  We cannot possibly end this discussion without addressing the central 
issues that caused the near collapse of our economy, one of which is 
the unbearable speculation, the speculation in exotic financial 
instruments such as credit default swaps that, by the way, now is on 
the rise. It is not receding, it is on the rise.
  The fourth quarter of last year the credit default swaps were up by 8 
percent, $14 trillion in notional value, up 8 percent in the fourth 
quarter of last year alone. I also feel very strongly that the issue of 
too big to fail is a real issue. We cannot just brush it away saying: I 
wish it was not an issue.
  The too-big-to-fail companies have gotten bigger, much bigger. Well, 
that is not a solution for this country's economy. The issue of betting 
in the lobby of our banks, as I have said, they might as well put in a 
Keno table or a blackjack table and wager that way. These are bets, not 
investments.
  There are tens of trillions of dollars' worth of these bets. Because 
we want to tighten the laces a little on this, this amendment would ban 
naked credit default swaps over a period of time. Because we want to 
tighten the laces a bit, we have folks who object to even offering this 
because it would take on Wall Street. Well, you know what. That is what 
this legislation is about. If we go back to 2008 when Wall Street 
lost--I think, $36 billion net loss--and they paid out bonuses of $17 
or $18 billion. They were having a carnival.
  What was it all about? It was about big fees, trading all of these 
unbelievably speculative instruments, things that we had never heard of 
before--and, by the way, instruments in which they had no insurable 
interest. I said before you cannot buy fire insurance on someone else's 
house. You cannot buy life insurance on someone else's life. But what 
is happening is the biggest financial institutions in this country are 
buying and selling credit default swaps, are selling insurance policies 
against bonds that they will never own and have never owned.
  It is like buying things they will never get from people who never 
had it and making fees on both sides of the transaction, except it is 
building a pyramid of speculation. At some point that pyramid came down 
and nearly took the entire American economy with it. So we now do 
something called financial reform.
  The central question is, are we going to do it right? Are we going to 
be tough? Are we going to make sure we get rid of these things, the 
unbelievable speculation that injured this country's economy? There are 
trillions of dollars of them out there. And, by the way, the five 
largest commercial banks in this country hold 90 percent of the total 
credit derivatives, the $13.2 trillion of credit derivatives. They are 
owned by the five largest commercial banks.
  Somebody said: Well, you cannot ban these things. The banking 
industry needs them. Oh, really? Well, if that is the case, why are 
only five companies doing 90 percent of the business in what are called 
naked credit default swaps?
  I will speak about this at another time. I promised my colleague from 
Maine I would be a minute. I have gone well over the minute. But I will 
speak about the second-degree amendment at much greater length. It is 
the only way, apparently, I can offer an amendment.
  So I believe that method, using a parliamentary technique that is 
perfectly legitimate, gives me an opportunity to force a vote on this 
amendment at some point.
  It is an amendment that should have been able to have been offered as 
a result of an agreement on both sides to deal with real issues, in 
real time, on one of the most significant challenges that confront our 
country: how to put this financial system back together again in which 
the financial industry plays a very important role in the expansion of 
this country, as opposed to building more and more and more speculation 
and seeing that too-big-to-fail institutions get builder and bigger and 
bigger.
  I yield the floor, and I will come back and speak on the second-
degree at some point later.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Maine.


                           Amendment No. 3883

  Ms. SNOWE. Madam President, I rise again to speak on the amendment 
that is pending that I had offered last week, No. 3883, which I have 
introduced with my good friend and colleague, Senator Pryor.
  Our amendment would ensure fairness and regulatory transparency for 
small business in the financial regulatory reform measure that we are 
now considering. This bipartisan amendment was also cosponsored by my 
colleagues, Senator Graham, Senator Menendez, Senator Franken, Senator 
Bond, Senator Burris and Senator Thune.
  Our amendment would ensure that this newly created bureau in the 
bill, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, would, before it 
promulgates proposed rules, fully consider the economic effect that 
those rules and regulations would impose on our Nation's approximately 
30 million small businesses that create 64 percent of all of the net 
new jobs in America. That certainly has been the case over the last 15 
years, and they are the ones that we are depending on to lead us out of 
this jobless recovery.
  Our amendment would designate the Consumer Financial Protection 
Bureau as a ``covered agency'' under the Regulatory Flexibility Act--so 
that small business review panels would apply to the Bureau's 
rulemaking process. Now, it is critically important to have these 
advisory small panels that currently only apply to EPA and to OSHA. 
They have been extremely successful in helping to shape more workable 
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to be much more attentive to the impact that these statutes are going 
to have on the well-being of small businesses.
  Since 1996, when these small business panel provisions were passed--
unanimously, I might add, in the Senate as part of the Small Business 
Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act, SBREFA--and signed into law by 
then-President Clinton, the EPA has convened 35 panels and OSHA has 
convened 9 panels. The findings of these panel reports have helped EPA 
and OSHA improve their proposed rules by tailoring regulatory 
approaches and alternatives to the unique situations of small 
businesses. And that is very important.
  As we look over the number of panels that have been convened over the 
last 14 years, we have seen there have been rules regarding 
groundwater, radon in drinking water, arsenic in drinking water, 
tuberculosis, ergonomics, and the list goes on and on. It has worked 
exceptionally well in this process for those agencies that obviously 
could have a tremendous effect on small businesses by creating 
unintended consequences.
  So is it not better to know potential small business effects at the 
forefront of the regulatory process, not afterwards, in which the small 
businesses are consumed not only with time but energy and money in 
order to fight the regulatory process once it has taken effect?
  So our amendment would specify very clearly the same process that has 
applied to EPA and OSHA for the last 14 years has been supported by the 
Senate unanimously when SBREFA was adopted; that the bureau must 
consider the economic effect that these rules will have on the cost of 
credit for small businesses. This is critical because, as we know, and 
according to the National Federation of Independent of Business, NFIB, 
which is the largest voice for small business in this country, 42 
percent of small business owners use a personal credit card for 
business purposes.
  So it is absolutely vital that small business interests are fully 
considered before the bureau issues regulations on consumer credit 
cards, so that however well intentioned those rules and regulations 
are, we want to make sure the bureau does not inadvertently cut off or 
suspend vital small business credit sources, especially during these 
fragile economic times when, as a recent Federal Deposit Insurance 
Company survey noted, banks posted their sharpest decline in lending 
since 1942.
  I want to add that there are some fundamental misconceptions about 
the pending amendment. I would like to address them because I think it 
is critically important that we sort through the misperceptions and 
mischaracterizations and get to the truth of what this amendment is all 
about.
  First and foremost, this is a tried-and-true proposal. It has been 
the law for the last 14 years for EPA and OSHA.
  Some, including the Treasury Department, have argued that my 
amendment would compromise the independence of the new bureau by 
holding it captive the very businesses it is set to regulate. This 
argument is flawed for many reasons. Given how many months--in most 
cases, years--it takes Federal agencies to promulgate new rules under 
the notice and comment process, how does 60 days built into the process 
undermine key consumer protections the underlying legislation seeks to 
achieve? I really don't understand exactly what the Treasury Department 
is so concerned about, let alone afraid of.
  If there are going to be adverse economic effects on small firms, our 
Nation's primary job creators--at this key juncture when unemployment 
is at virtually 10 percent and 15 million Americans are unemployed, and 
we are depending on small businesses to be the job generators--wouldn't 
we want to know what effect any rules and regulations this bureau is 
about to promulgate would have on small businesses? Why not know that 
ahead of time, set up a small business review panel, which has been 
done in so many instances in the past and worked effectively and 
successfully, to ascertain exactly what might affect small businesses' 
well-being so that we can address it at the forefront of the regulatory 
process and not afterward? That is what this is all about. Wouldn't we 
want to know before an agency proposes a rule as opposed to afterward? 
That is what we do with EPA as well as OSHA.
  Secondly, it is the bureau itself--not SBA, not OMB or any other 
agency within government--that is overseeing the small business 
advisory panel process as well as the report and recommendations. The 
bureau does this with the input of small business stakeholders that the 
bureau, in consultation with the independent SBA Office of Advocacy, 
chooses to include. So the bureau has flexibility in this process.
  The bureau gets to choose what small businesses participate, what 
information it shares with the panel, and it overseas the process and 
the writing of the report. I ask my colleagues again, how would the 
bureau be controlled by the regulating community, unless the bureau 
allows itself to be controlled?
  I went back to look at the SBA Office of Advocacy to determine how 
they view this process and how well it has worked. They said: 
Invariably, the participation of these panels provides extremely 
valuable information on the real-world impacts and compliance costs of 
agency proposals.
  The purpose of the panel process is threefold. This is from the 
independent office within the Small Business Administration. The Office 
of Advocacy has authored their own independent assessment, separate and 
apart from the SBA, to determine what works and what does not work. 
First, the panel process ensures that small entities that would be 
affected by a regulatory proposal are consulted about the pending 
action and offered an opportunity to provide information on its 
potential effects. Secondly, a panel can develop, consider, and 
recommend less burdensome alternatives to a regulatory proposal when 
warranted. Finally, the rulemaking agency has the benefit of input from 
both real-world small entities and analysis prior to publication. 
Wouldn't we want to know the real-world effect? Certainly, we would. We 
can act theoretically when we pass legislation that becomes law, but 
ultimately, how is it going to affect the real world? What is it going 
to do to small businesses on Main Street?
  Now I am hearing from the Treasury Department that they simply don't 
want to know the truth. It is too invasive. It is taking too much time. 
They want to put all these regulations by this new bureau within the 
act, this Consumer Financial Protection Bureau that essentially 
comprises more than 300 pages out of this 1,500-page bill, that is 
obviously going to have a host of rules and regulations. They are 
saying: No, it is too invasive. We can't take that kind of time. It 
might hold us up.
  We are saying a 60-day process. It is a 60-day review process. This 
panel would be convened if the bureau itself determines that, yes, in 
fact, some of the rules they may propose will have an effect on small 
businesses. So then they convene a panel. They choose the particular 
stakeholders across the board within the agencies and with the small 
business community. They convene for 60 days. Within 60 days, the 
bureau completes the report and submits it to the bureau. It contains 
recommendations that are advisory, not mandatory. Then the bureau 
considers these recommendations as it proposes its rules and 
regulations. I think that is a pretty logical process. I can't 
understand why the Treasury Department would be so adamantly opposed to 
this very logical, straightforward approach that has already been 
utilized time and again for EPA and OSHA. It is mystifying to me.
  The attorneys at the Treasury Department say it could take 6 months 
to do these panels. Our amendment would adhere to the Regulatory 
Flexibility Act requirements that specify 60 days. How the bureau 
handles that 60-day report is obviously up to them. There is list after 
list of panels where these review panels have been used time and again 
under OSHA and EPA. It has been very effective--understandably so. We 
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  Why wouldn't the Treasury Department want to know whether these rules 
and regulations will work for small businesses? Thirty million small 
businesses in this country generate two-thirds of all the net new jobs 
each year. We are surely depending on them to create the jobs in this 
jobless recovery. I've said it before and I will say it agin: A jobless 
recovery is not a true recovery. We need jobs. But we are saying: No, 
we don't want to bother with this 60-day review panel. We don't want to 
bother with that because it could interfere with our process. We want 
to put everything on a fast track. We will figure out later whether it 
works for small businesses.
  That is unacceptable and objectionable. That is why there is so much 
anger and frustration across America. Go up and down Main Streets and 
see what is happening to small businesses. Now we are saying, with this 
new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, that we don't want to take 
the time to consider anything that would have an effect on small 
businesses. We will find out about it later. Let them pay the price of 
whether they can survive. Let them pay the price as to whether they can 
afford these regulations, that it makes sense, that it is workable, or 
to fight the regulatory process.
  Anybody been through that process? We know what it is all about. It 
is time-consuming, complex, and bureaucratic. It is simply unaffordable 
for most small businesses. Ultimately, they will have to close their 
doors or they will not hire or they are going to lay off people. That 
is what the net result of all this will be. Yet we have had a 
demonstrable approach with this by virtue of what has happened to EPA 
and OSHA.
  According to the independent SBA Office of Advocacy report:

     [t]he panel process does not replace, but enhances, the 
     regular notice-and-comment process.

  The Office of Advocacy has also found that these small business 
review panels have facilitated ``revisions or adjustments to be made to 
an agency draft rule that mitigated its potentially adverse effects on 
small entities, but did not compromise the rule's public policy 
objective.''
  It makes good sense that they would be able to consider less 
burdensome alternatives in the event this 60-day review process by a 
small business panel, which would be established and appointed by the 
bureau itself, would determine they would be more preferable than the 
ones that originally were being considered.
  I understand the majority intends to offer a side-by-side amendment 
that astoundingly does not have the support of the small business 
community. An abundance of organizations support this amendment offered 
by Senator Pryor and others, along with myself. We have more than 23 
organizations that have supported this legislation.
  Let's look at the alternative that may be offered. And I truly hope 
it isn't offered. As this chart reveals, the side-by-side my colleagues 
are proposing on behalf of the Treasury Department would be a diluted 
version of the amendment I am offering.
  My amendment with Senator Pryor would permit the small business voice 
to be heard before a rule is actually proposed. It certainly makes 
sense to know the consequences of any potential rules before they take 
effect, before they go through the rulemaking process.
  The side-by-side that my colleagues may be offering includes a 
loophole under which the bureau could evade entirely its small business 
panel requirements, so the small business voice would never be heard if 
their amendment is adopted.
  Mind you, the language in their amendment would take 90 days for the 
small business panel to make its report. My amendment would take 60 
days. Their process would take 90 days, and it would be a permanent 
panel. I am not asking for a permanent panel. I am saying that whenever 
the bureau determines they will be proposing rules that would have a 
significant impact on a substantial number of small businesses, that 
the Bureau convene a small business panel in which they would have to 
complete their work within 60 days, the bureau would submit their 
report for consideration, and the bureau would have to consider the 
small business panel report as they develop their proposed rule, before 
they promulgate it.
  The difference between my amendment and the side-by-side that could 
potentially be offered is they create a permanent board and it is not 
even tied to rulemaking. They create a board that will meet four times 
a year. Now it is a bureaucracy within a bureaucracy. That is 
essentially what it is all about. It would create a bureaucracy within 
the bureau to meet four times a year for no particular purpose. Maybe 
they could consider small business economic effects from a potential 
rulemaking but maybe not, under this amendment. It clearly doesn't make 
any sense. And then it is an additional cost to the taxpayers. And it 
doesn't require, most importantly, the panel recommendations before the 
rules are actually proposed in the federal register. But even worse 
than that, they are not even required to consider any of the panel's 
recommendations, if they have any, before the final rule is issued. So 
that is a fairly major loophole in their amendment.
  So here we are. We have the amendment Senator Pryor and I have 
offered that would create a 60-day process that has been utilized time 
and again for the last 14 years and worked exceptionally well. They 
submit their proposal to the bureau. It is a panel established by the 
bureau. They can determine who will be represented in that panel. They 
can consider the recommendations as they draft their rules for the 
rulemaking process, at the outset before a rule is proposed.
  In this case, on the other hand, the amendment my colleagues intend 
to offer--I know it is the Senator from Louisiana, Ms. Landrieu 
contains a loophole under which the Bureau would never have to consider 
the recommendations of the small business panel. They will meet four 
times a year for no particular purpose. It is not even tied to a 
rulemaking process.
  I hope our amendment will be adopted. It really has already been 
established in precedent, in practice, not in theory. It is not 
conceptual; it is very real. Certainly, it will be real to small 
businesses in terms of whether it is going to have a major effect on 
their ability to conduct their business.
  Our amendment builds on the current requirements under the Regulatory 
Flexibility Act. Since the Regulatory Flexibility Act was amended by 
the Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act, SBREFA, back in 
1996, to include these small business review panels, EPA has convened 
35 panels and OSHA has convened 9 panels. It has worked very well.
  Our amendment will ensure transparency in the regulatory process 
because the small business panel reports would be included in those 
proposed rules. It will allow the voice of small businesses to be heard 
at the front end of a regulation, before the proposed regulation has 
been published in the Federal Register. In contrast, the side-by-side 
amendment that potentially will be offered would expedite the bureau's 
rulemaking process and allow it to finalize onerous regulations that 
could crush small businesses without considering first the small 
business effects either during the proposed or the final rule stage of 
the regulatory process.
  I urge my colleagues to oppose the side-by-side amendment. It would 
establish a dangerous precedent of diluting not only current law in the 
way it now functions with respect to EPA and OSHA but also how it has 
been extremely successful. My amendment is an extension of current law 
as it applied to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
  As you will see on the next chart, we have strong support from a 
broad cross section of 23 stakeholders, representing millions and 
millions of small businesses across the spectrum--of course, the 
National Federation of Independent Business, known as NFIB; the 
Associated Building and Contractors; the National Restaurant 
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Dealers Association; S Corporation Association; the U.S. Chamber of 
Commerce; the United States Black Chamber; the United States Hispanic 
Chamber of Commerce; Women Impacting Public Policy; the International 
Franchise Association, the Independent Electrical Contractors; the 
Hispanic Leadership Fund.
  The list goes on, and rightfully so, because they understand what is 
at stake. They understand the effects it will have on small business. 
We want to make sure we have a very practical, real process that is 
going to work for small businesses.
  I hope we are not going to disregard the invaluable voices of small 
businesses to have the ability to have input at the forefront of the 
regulatory process, and utilizing a process that has worked so well. I 
hope we would reject any other watered-down, side-by-side amendment 
because, as I have already pointed out, it has a number of weaknesses 
and a loophole. It establishes a permanent panel for no apparent reason 
and that is not necessarily tied to the rulemaking. But more critical 
is the fact that, under the side-by-side amendment, the Bureau can 
totally ignore and disregard the input. Even if they created one of 
these panels for a rule-making process, they do not have to consider 
it, either before the proposed rule is published or before the final 
rule is promulgated in the Federal Register.
  Something does not make sense. The bottom line is, the side-by-side 
amendment would be a job killer for small business. So if we are 
talking about jobs, jobs, jobs--and I hope we are going to get to a 
small business tax relief bill. I have been hoping since January we are 
going to get to it because it is so critically important. I know there 
are a lot of things to consider here on the floor of the Senate, but 
primary of which should be about creating jobs. So while we are saying 
we want to create jobs on the one hand, and we are concerned about 
small businesses' economic well-being on the other hand, we are doing 
things that are going to undermine the status of small businesses in 
America, as they are struggling to survive. They are struggling to 
survive. We know that. We have had an abundance of hearings in the 
Small Business Committee. As ranking member of the Small Business 
Committee, I can tell you, we hear it time and again repeatedly. They 
are desperate. They need our support. We cannot hinder their ability to 
survive in this very tough, unprecedented environment.
  So if we are depending on them to create jobs, then I think we better 
think very seriously about whether to support my amendment. I hope it 
would not be rejected. I hope it will be supported. There is no reason, 
there is no rationale, there is no logical explanation as to why the 
Treasury Department--of all the Departments, frankly, we are here 
because the Treasury Department did not provide the necessary and 
effective oversight of financial institutions--we are dealing with a 
financial regulatory reform bill, so I cannot imagine rejecting 
something that has been tried before and has worked so effectively.
  That is what I am asking, that we would allow my amendment to be 
adopted. Because, as you can see, this amendment is supported 
overwhelmingly by critical small business organizations, because they 
understand the reality. They understand the net effect of what is going 
to happen. They need this support. This is not a minimalist amendment. 
It has real consequences, if we fail to adopt it. That is the fact. 
That is reality that small businesses are facing all across America.
  So when we are creating this new entity, this Consumer Financial 
Protection Bureau, that literally consumes hundreds of pages in the 
pending legislation, are we not saying we want to make sure, when they 
are drafting those rules, we are going to consider how it will affect 
small businesses on a day-to-day basis? Because that is what they are 
going to live with.
  By the way, I think we all know who pays more for regulatory 
compliance. It is not the large corporations. It is the small business.
  In the past, we think about Sarbanes-Oxley. I know there is an 
amendment that has been filed that has been offered by the Senator from 
Texas and the Senator from Louisiana that will ``spare,'' as it says in 
this Wall Street Journal editorial, ``the smallest public companies 
from the worst bureaucratic horrors of the 2002 Sarbanes-Oxley law.'' 
They said:

       This is one reason the two Senators aim to exempt companies 
     with less than $150 million of shares held by the public from 
     ``internal-controls'' audits.

  Because of the indirect costs, as well as the direct costs, they said 
that:

       [T]he average public company pays more than $2 million per 
     year complying with the law's Section 404. The indirect costs 
     may be much greater . . .

  The indirect costs are even greater from Sarbanes-Oxley. Small firms 
pay 45 percent more in regulatory compliance costs than larger firms, 
according to the Office of Advocacy within the Small Business 
Administration.
  That is the point. So on one hand, we are saying: Well, in financial 
regulatory reform, we should exempt small public companies because of 
the bureaucratic hindrance that Sarbanes-Oxley has provided. So there 
is another example of what the effects are, the unintended 
consequences, when rules have a disproportionate effect on small 
businesses. That is what has happened in that instance.
  So these are legitimate and valid issues based on reality, based on 
the experiences of small businesses, what they have had to already 
endure. So why compel them to have to further endure another regulatory 
nightmare and quagmire that might ensue as a result of this bureau? We 
are asking to take an intermediate step: 60 days. Somebody is saying 60 
days is too much time to give consideration to the well-being of small 
businesses in America?
  Well, we are offering amendments that say: Gee, we ought to exempt 
the smallest companies because of what occurred under Sarbanes-Oxley, 
what it has done with the unintentional effects. We all know the 
adverse consequences that can emanate and result from legislation that 
becomes law. So let's be attentive and sensitive to those issues at the 
forefront of this process. That is what this amendment is all about. I 
would hope there would be strong support for my amendment because there 
truly is overwhelming support from all of these organizations and more 
that are represented on these charts.
  I ask unanimous consent to have printed in the Record a list of 
organizations in support of my amendment, as well as a number of 
letters that have been sent from small business organizations declaring 
that it is an imperative that this amendment be accepted because of the 
concern, the abiding concern, of the small businesses community across 
this country that they are going to suffocate under this rule-making 
process if they do not have a voice.
  There being no objection, the material was ordered to be printed in 
the Record, as follows:

                        Organizations in Support

       Associated Builders and Contractors; Association of 
     Kentucky Fried Chicken Franchisees; Hearth, Patio & Barbecue 
     Association; Hispanic Leadership Fund; Independent Electrical 
     Contractors; Institute for Liberty; International Franchise 
     Association; National Association for the Self-Employed; 
     National Federation of Independent Business, which is ``key-
     voting'' in support of our amendment and opposing the 
     majority's side-by-side; National Lumber and Building 
     Material Dealers Association; National Restaurant 
     Association; National Roofing Contractors Association; 
     National Small Business Association; Printing Industries of 
     America; S Corporation Association; Small Business & 
     Entrepreneurship Council; Society of American Florists; 
     Society of Chemical Manufacturers & Affiliates; Tire Industry 
     Association; U.S. Chamber of Commerce; United States Black 
     Chamber; United States Hispanic Chamber of Commerce; and 
     Women Impacting Public Policy.

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                                  ____
                                                     May 12, 2010.
     Hon. Harry Reid,
     Majority Leader, U.S. Senate,
     Washington, DC.
     Hon. Mitch McConnell,
     Minority Leader, U.S. Senate,
     Washington, DC.
     Hon. Chris Dodd,
     Chairman, Committee on Banking, Housing & Urban Affairs, U.S. 
         Senate, Washington, DC.
     Hon. Richard Shelby,
     Ranking Member, Committee on Banking, Housing & Urban 
         Affairs, U.S. Senate, Washington, DC.
       Dear Majority Leader, Minority Leader, Chairman Dodd, and 
     Ranking Member Shelby: The undersigned organizations 
     representing millions of American small business owners are 
     writing to urge that the Senate consider the Small Business 
     Fairness and Regulatory Transparency Amendment (S. Amdt. 
     3883) sponsored by Senator Pryor and Senator Snowe as part of 
     the Senate's deliberations on S. 3217, Restoring American 
     Financial Stability Act of 2010.
       As you know, new jobs primarily come from the small 
     business sector of our economy. Small business has created 
     about two of every three net new jobs in the United States 
     since at least the early 1970s. And nearly all job creation 
     since 1980 has occurred in firms less than five years old. In 
     fact, data from the 1990's show small business are the only 
     sector producing jobs coming out of a recession. The 
     amendment offered by Senators Pryor and Snowe is an effort to 
     prevent unintended consequences by a new agency that could 
     harm the small business sector.
       According to the U.S. Small Business Administration, small 
     firms shoulder a 45 percent higher burden to comply with 
     federal regulations than their larger business competitors. 
     This economic distortion can be eased when agencies carefully 
     consider how their regulations will impact small firms, which 
     is why delegates to the 1995 White House Conference on Small 
     Business called for direct small business participation in 
     the rulemaking process. That recommendation from the White 
     House Conference was a key provision in the Small Business 
     Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act (SBREFA), signed by 
     President Clinton in 1996. The amendment offered by Senators 
     Pryor and Snowe applies the same standards of transparency 
     and small business consultation found in SBREFA to the 
     Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (hereinafter referred to 
     as the ``Bureau'').
       Additionally, S. Amdt. 3883 calls upon the Bureau to 
     consider how its rules will impact small business access to 
     credit. Almost 90 percent of the nation's 26 million small 
     businesses use some form of credit. And, economists have 
     raised concerns that actions by the Bureau will tighten the 
     credit squeeze, raising interest rates and curbing job 
     growth. The amendment offered by Senators Pryor and Snowe 
     provides assurance that small business access to credit is a 
     top consideration by Bureau officials as they take on the 
     important task of overseeing our financial sector.
       Small business is a critically important sector. America 
     needs their job creation strength to bring down unemployment 
     and their innovative strength in a global marketplace. We 
     know you share our desire to take every step necessary to 
     protect Main Street while you are trying to fix the practices 
     on Wall Street and we urge you to include S. Amdt. 3883, the 
     Small Business Fairness and Regulatory Transparency 
     amendment, as part of the Senate's debate on S. 3217. Once 
     the amendment is under consideration, we urge your support 
     for its passage.
         Associated Builders and Contractors; Association of 
           Kentucky Fried Chicken Franchisees; Hearth, Patio & 
           Barbecue Association; Hispanic Leadership Fund; 
           Independent Electrical Contractors; Institute for 
           Liberty; International Franchise Association; National 
           Association for the Self-Employed; National Federation 
           of Independent Business; National Lumber and Building 
           Material Dealers Association; National Restaurant 
           Association; National Roofing Contractors Association; 
           National Small Business Association; Printing 
           Industries of America; S Corporation Association; Small 
           Business & Entrepreneurship Council; Society of 
           American Florists; Society of Chemical Manufacturers & 
           Affiliates; Tire Industry Association; U.S. Chamber of 
           Commerce; United States Black Chamber, Inc.; United 
           States Hispanic Chamber of Commerce; Women Impacting 
           Public Policy.
                                  ____

                                           National Small Business


                                                  Association,

                                     Washington, DC, May 18, 2010.
     Hon. Christopher J. Dodd,
     U.S. Senate,
     Washington, DC.
       Dear Senator Dodd: The National Small Business Association 
     (NSBA) is urging you to support the Ensuring Small Business 
     Fairness and Regulatory Transparency Amendment (S. Amdt. 
     3883)--or the Snowe/Pryor amendment--to the Restoring 
     American Financial Stability Act (S. 3217). This critical 
     amendment, supported by a very broad, bipartisan group of 
     Senators, will ensure that the Consumer Financial Protection 
     Bureau considers how its rulemakings affect America's small 
     businesses. Reaching 150,000 small firms across the nation, 
     NSBA is the country's oldest small-business advocacy 
     organization.
       As the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau likely is to be 
     established as an independent agency with rulemaking 
     authority, it should be required to consider the unique needs 
     and constraints of small firms as it promulgates its rules.
       NSBA strongly supports requiring the Bureau to conduct 
     Regulatory Flexibility Analyses in conjunction with its 
     rulemaking. It is critical that the Bureau provide the public 
     with transparent information on how its proposed rules would 
     affect small firms. NSBA also supports requiring the Bureau 
     to consult with a Small Business Advocacy Review Panel prior 
     to the publication of any proposed rule, with the Review 
     Panel's recommendations published in any eventual proposal.
       Small businesses bear a disproportionate burden of federal 
     regulations. In fact, the smallest firms--those with fewer 
     than 20 employees spend 45 percent more per employee than 
     larger firms to comply with federal regulations. 
     Incorporating the Snowe/Pryor amendment in S. 3217 will take 
     the important steps toward alleviating this gross inequity.
       Increased transparency is a stated goal of the current 
     administration and Congress. This is a perfect opportunity to 
     achieve progress towards that objective. This amendment will 
     ensure a public exchange of data, analysis, and 
     recommendations, detailing the potential benefits and costs 
     to small businesses of any proposed regulations. This is a 
     welcome achievement.
       I urge you to consider the many pitfalls caused by the 
     absence of such language in other sweeping pieces of 
     legislation, namely Sarbanes/Oxley, which has constituted a 
     major burden for America's small businesses. On behalf of the 
     many struggling small businesses in the U.S. today, I am 
     calling upon you to do everything in your power to prevent 
     any roadblocks for future entrepreneurs, and urge your 
     support of the Snowe/Pryor amendment.
           Sincerely,
                                                Todd O. McCracken,
     President.
                                  ____



                                     U.S. Black Chamber, Inc.,

                                     Washington, DC, May 11, 2010.
       The US Black Chamber, Inc. represents over 30% of all the 
     Black owned business nationwide. We have united to ensure 
     that our voice is heard. Black business owners are a strong 
     economic force in the United States, and increasingly 
     throughout the world. Their contributions extend beyond the 
     number of firms they own, the people they employ and the 
     revenues they generate. Their economic influence is 
     multiplied many times through the direct and indirect 
     economic impact they generate through their business 
     ownership.
       We are writing you to urge that the Senate consider the 
     Small Business Fairness and Regulatory Transparency Amendment 
     (S. Amdt. 3883). Small business develop the majority of the 
     jobs that have been created in the United States. The 
     recession has shown that small businesses are in fact the 
     only sector that is creating new jobs.
       S. Amdt. 3883 calls upon the Bureau to consider how its 
     rules will impact small business access to credit. Black-
     owned firms are less likely to receive loans than non-white 
     firms (23% of non-minority firms receive loans compared to 
     17% of minority firms.) Black owned firms receive lower loan 
     amounts than white firms. Black-owned firms are more likely 
     to be denied loans (42% denial rate for Black and 16% denial 
     rate for whites). We feel actions by the Bureau will tighten 
     the credit squeeze, raise interest and slow job growth.
       S. Amdt. 3883 provides assurance that our members and small 
     business access to credit is a top consideration. We urge 
     your support for its passage.
       Thank you, and we look forward to working together with you 
     and our membership, to bring this plan into reality.
           In the Spirit of Success,
                                                        Ron Busby,
                                                  President & CEO.

  Ms. SNOWE. I urge adoption of this amendment.
  I thank the Presiding Officer and yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Udall of Colorado). The Senator from 
Delaware is recognized.
  Mr. KAUFMAN. Mr. President, I am on the floor here incredibly 
disappointed by the decision by my friends across the aisle to block a 
vote on the Merkley-Levin Volcker rule amendment and the Dorgan 
amendment to ban naked credit default swaps.
  We have had good comity on this bill. I think both sides have taken 
amendments for a vote they did not like based on how the vote turned 
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where you have votes where a majority of the Republicans voted for an 
amendment they put forward and a majority of the Democrats voted 
against it or a vast majority of Democrats voted against it, but we 
allowed it to come to a vote.
  I think we are getting late in the processing of the bill. It would 
have been nice if we could have gone through the whole process the way 
we started and the way we were in the middle and allowed these 
important issues to come up, especially issues as important as this 
one.
  I want to praise Chairman Dodd--and I mean it--for an incredible 
piece of work and all my colleagues who have worked diligently on this 
bill. It has been incredible in holding this together. There are many 
provisions in this bill I strongly support.
  However, there is one portion of the bill that many of my colleagues 
and I have discussed on the floor extensively, and that is the question 
of how we prevent systemic risks from manifesting themselves among our 
largest Wall Street banks--those that have been deemed too big, too 
big, too big to fail due to their tendency to engage in highly 
leveraged and extremely risky speculative trading activities.
  As my colleagues know, Senator Brown and I, along with others, 
offered an amendment to tackle this problem directly and preemptively. 
The Brown-Kaufman amendment would have scaled down the size and risk of 
our megabanks through limits on leverage and on unstable nondeposit 
liabilities. While I am disappointed the amendment did not pass, I know 
the debate will persist as long as too-big-to-fail banks continue to 
exist. For as long as we still have banks so large they are too big to 
fail, they will pose mortal risks--mortal risks--to the American 
economy.
  Within days of the Senate's consideration of Brown-Kaufman, we saw 
the EU and IMF scramble to put together an almost $1 trillion emergency 
package to forestall a full-blown series of sovereign debt crises 
throughout the continent. While ostensibly reported in the press as a 
rescue package for overleveraged and embattled sovereign nations such 
as Greece and Spain, it was actually a bailout of Europe's megabanks, 
not to mention our own. That is what it was about. It was about bailing 
out Europe's megabanks. German and French banks alone have more than 
$900 billion in exposure to Greece and other vulnerable Euro countries, 
including Ireland, Portugal, and Spain.
  Meanwhile, our top five banks have an estimated $2.5 trillion in 
exposure to Europe. That is $2.5 trillion in exposure to Europe.
  So long as we have too-big-to-fail institutions, we will continue to 
go through the ``doomsday'' cycles of booms, busts, and bailouts. There 
are two amendments left that address this critical question directly, 
two others that would help. I believe at least one of the two 
represents a critical test of whether we as a body are serious about 
curbing systemic risk. While I would prefer we pass the Cantwell-McCain 
amendment, which would restore the Glass-Steagall Act's 60-years-long 
separation between commercial and investment banking activities--which 
I have spoken on the floor many times about--I believe very strongly 
that, at a minimum, we must pass the Merkley-Levin amendment that would 
ban proprietary trading activities by commercial banks.
  This is not a radical amendment. After all, it is President Obama's 
proposal, which he has named the Volcker rule, after the most respected 
bank regulator in the last half century, former Federal Reserve 
Chairman Paul Volcker. It has been represented to us for many weeks 
that even the current version of the bill includes a mandatory 
imposition of the Volcker rule after a 6-month study. The Merkley-Levin 
amendment would remove any doubt about whether the new council could, 
after its review, recommend modifications to the rule.
  Merkley-Levin, in my view, is where the rubber hits the road. It is a 
true test of whether the administration and the Congress are serious 
about imposing limitations on the activities of the government-
guaranteed part of our financial system--in short, so that casino-like 
activities can no longer remain centered at the heart of too-big-to-
fail institutions.
  I also believe that a strong financial reform bill must retain the 
key provisions on too big to fail that are already in the bill, 
particularly Senator Lincoln's provision to prohibit banks with swap 
dealers from receiving emergency Federal loans, and an amendment to the 
bill, Senator Dorgan's amendment, which bans naked credit default 
swaps.
  As I said, I am proud to support Senator Merkley's and Senator 
Levin's amendment to include a more robust version of the Volcker rule 
ban on proprietary trading within commercial banks in the bill.
  Specifically, the amendment would bar banks and their affiliates from 
engaging in proprietary trading and from owning a hedge fund or private 
equity fund. To avoid regulatory arbitrage, it would also increase 
capital requirements on large nonbank financial institutions engaged in 
proprietary trading.
  The Merkley-Levin amendment would minimize the potential procedural 
roadblocks to the Volcker rule contained in the current bill by 
specifically directing the regulators to develop rules to implement the 
Volcker rule restrictions. It would not give unnecessary discretion to 
the same regulators who have long had the authority to prohibit 
speculative activities at banks but never opted to do so.
  I have heard some proposals call for so-called de minimis exceptions 
and other loopholes to a ban on proprietary trading at banks. Loopholes 
of this kind, however, undermine the very spirit of the Volcker rule 
and would allow banks that benefit from federally insured deposits and 
access to the Fed window to continue to engage in activities that are 
speculative in nature. Importantly, this amendment would also build 
upon the work of Senator Levin's Permanent Subcommittee on 
Investigations to address conflicts of interest within the modern 
investment banking model. The PSI subcommittee hearings, in which I had 
the privilege to participate, demonstrated how Wall Street firms sold 
clients securities without disclosing their financial interests in 
seeing such securities fail or perform poorly--basically betting 
against the very securities they were selling to their clients. Talk 
about a conflict of interest. This amendment would address this problem 
by prohibiting underwriters of an asset-backed security from engaging 
in transactions that create material conflicts of interest with respect 
to the securities being sold--something I think everyone, on 
observation, agrees should be the case.
  I strongly urge my colleagues to support Merkley-Levin so we can say 
to the American people we have acted in Congress to prevent another 
crisis. I do not want to put my faith in a stability council of 
regulators detecting ``early warning signals'' of financial 
instability. I would rather we move our largest banks off of the San 
Andreas Fault of leverage and speculation on which they now sit.
  I also support strongly Senators Cantwell's and McCain's amendment to 
break up the largest banks by reimposing the Glass-Steagall Act. Unless 
we break the megabanks apart, they will remain too large and 
interconnected for regulators effectively to control. Once the next 
inevitable financial crisis occurs and the contagion spreads too 
quickly for the government to believe that a failing firm won't take 
down others as well, the American taxpayer--the good old American 
taxpayer--will again be forced into the breach.
  By statutorily splitting apart massive financial institutions that 
house both banking and security operations, we will both cut our 
megabanks down to reasonable and manageable sizes and rightfully limit 
government support to traditional banks. This worked for nearly 60 
years and once again will ensure the soundness of commercial banks 
while placing risky bank investment activities far beyond any 
government safety net check.
  If Congress fails to impose needed structural changes like Glass-
Steagall, the same systemic risks to our financial system remain and 
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and bigger and bigger. When the next crisis occurs, however, the 
legislative pendulum will suddenly shift direction and will fall hard 
on Wall Street in the form of Glass-Steagall and far more Draconian 
reforms.
  I also believe we must preserve section 716 of the current Senate 
bill. The provision included in the bill by Senate Agriculture 
Committee Chairman Lincoln would prohibit banks with swap dealers from 
receiving emergency assistance from the Federal Reserve or FDIC. By 
forcing megabanks to spin off their swap dealers into an affiliate or 
separate company, this section would help restore the wall between the 
government-guaranteed part of the financial system and those financial 
entities that remain free to take on greater risk.
  It would also help address the enormous concentration of power among 
a few too-big-to-fail institutions. As has been quoted many times on 
this Senate floor over the last several weeks, the five largest banks--
Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, and Bank of 
America--control over 90 percent of the over-the-counter derivatives 
market. That is nine zero, 90 percent, our 5 largest banks. Yet there 
are those who say that forcing these megabanks to spin off their swap 
dealers to affiliates in only a few years' time would disrupt the 
derivatives market. The historical record shows repeatedly that 
financial institutions can adapt to regulatory changes quite quickly. 
Look at Goldman Sachs. Goldman Sachs has been a bank holding company 
for fewer than 2 years. Within that time, it has used its newly formed 
bank, which is just one-tenth the size of the overall holding company, 
to source the vast majority of its derivatives transactions. That is 
just in the last 2 years. Amazingly, Goldman Sachs has a $41 trillion 
derivatives book attached to a $91 billion bank. Do you have that? A 
$91 billion bank with a $41 trillion derivatives book attached to it.
  Unfortunately, allowing massive derivatives dealers to be housed 
within banks creates moral hazard, a term often invoked by my 
conservative colleagues. This was true of AIG, which rented out its AAA 
rating and the financial strength of its insurance subsidiaries, to 
write credit default swap contracts that systemically underpriced risk. 
It is also true of dealer banks whose access to federally insured 
deposits and the government backstop of emergency lending allows them 
to underprice risk on swap contracts. Notably, this government subsidy 
allows these institutions to be lax in their collateral and margin 
requirements on derivatives transactions.
  Some complain that requiring the megabanks to spin off their 
derivatives dealers would require these dealers to raise extra capital 
as affiliates. I say that is precisely the point. Housing a large 
derivatives dealer book in a bank, even a small one, allows these 
institutions to arbitrage capital requirements. Requiring them to spin 
off their dealer to a separate broker-dealer affiliate would 
appropriately require them to raise more capital based upon the 
riskiness of their derivatives book. This is good. Currently, these 
institutions are undercapitalized.
  Yet Fed Chairman Bernanke claims:

       Forcing these activities out of insured depository 
     institutions would weaken both financial stability and strong 
     prudential regulation derivative activities.

  I beg to differ. Spinning off large derivatives dealers would force 
these institutions to adequately price and capitalize the risks 
associated with these activities. By ending the aforementioned moral 
hazard, we are only strengthening financial institutions. By requiring 
derivative dealers to hold capital commensurate with the risk of their 
business, we are only strengthening prudential regulation.
  Meanwhile, FDIC Chair Bair states that derivatives:

       do have legitimate and important functions as risk 
     management tools and ensure banks play an essential role in 
     providing market-making functions for these products.

  Requiring banks to spin off their derivatives, however, would not 
preclude them from using derivatives as risk management tools or as 
products to service client needs. For example, if a client wanted to 
hedge the interest rate risk on a floating loan through a swap, the 
bank would still be able to execute that transaction. Senator Lincoln's 
provision doesn't ban banks from using derivatives. Instead, it says 
that it is inappropriate for a commercial bank to have an almost $80 
trillion derivatives book, as some do.
  Of course, anyone can come up with a reason for maintaining the 
status quo--of saying, for example, that Senator Lincoln's inspired 
solution simply goes too far. But after the crisis we just suffered, I 
would ask my colleagues to support these proposals which represent real 
reform and change. I would ask my colleagues to see the wisdom of 
building an enduring structure of laws instead of investing our hopes 
in unelected regulatory discretion. We have seen the effects of 
regulators neglecting their duties and banks left to self-regulation.
  Instead of trusting our financial stability solely to unelected 
financial guardians, these amendments and provisions would all address 
preemptively the persistent problem of too big to fail. They all say 
speculative securities activity should not be covered by the 
government's deposit safety net. By reducing the size and scope of our 
largest banks, we will limit their risky behavior and minimize the 
possibility of one institution's failure causing an industrywide panic 
and a subsequent bailout of several failing megabanks.
  By adopting these commonsense proposals, we can go a long way toward 
stabilizing our economy, restoring confidence in our market, and 
protecting the American people from a future bailout. America cannot 
afford another financial meltdown. The American people are looking to 
Congress to assure that it does not happen. We have a precious few 
remaining days on this bill to follow through on that commitment.
  As I started out, I wish to commend Chairman Dodd and the committee 
for the excellent work they have done on this bill. I also commend 
Chairman Dodd for the fact that we have had such good comity and such 
good relations between both sides of the aisle on this bill. That is 
why I am so concerned about the decision by the other side to block the 
Merkley-Levin amendment. This is at the heart of this bill. If you had 
to look at one of the things that is very important and that everyone 
commends, it would be this amendment. We have voted for a lot of 
Republican amendments and accepted a lot of Republican amendments that 
Democrats were not in favor of. This seems like the wrong time in the 
process toward the end to do this.
  I hope my friends on the other side of the aisle will rethink what we 
are doing and that we get a chance to vote, because it is absolutely 
essential to this bill that we have a vote on the Merkley-Levin 
amendment.
  I yield the floor and suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The assistant bill clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. BINGAMAN. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order 
for the quorum call be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.


     Amendment No. 3892, as Further Modified, to Amendment No. 3739

  Mr. BINGAMAN. Mr. President, I have an amendment No. 3892, as 
modified, and I ask unanimous consent to further modify it.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection?
  Without objection, it is so ordered. The amendment is further 
modified.
  The amendment, as further modified, is as follows:

       On page 565, between lines 2 and 3, insert the following:
       (e) Just and Reasonable Rates.--Section 2(a)(1)(C) of the 
     Commodity Exchange Act (7 U.S.C. 2(a)(1)(C)) (as amended by 
     section 717(a)) is amended by adding at the end the 
     following:
       ``(vi) Notwithstanding the exclusive jurisdiction of the 
     Commission with respect to accounts, agreements, and 
     transactions involving swaps or contracts of sale of a 
     commodity for future delivery under this Act, no provision of 
     this Act shall be construed--

       ``(I) to supersede or limit the authority of the Federal 
     Energy Regulatory Commission under the Federal Power Act (16 
     U.S.C. 791a et seq.) or the Natural Gas Act (15 U.S.C. 717 et 
     seq.);

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       ``(II) to restrict the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission 
     from carrying out the duties and responsibilities of the 
     Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to ensure just and 
     reasonable rates and protect the public interest under the 
     Acts described in subclause (I); or
       ``(III) to supersede or limit the authority of a State 
     regulatory authority (as defined in section 3(21) of the 
     Federal Power Act (16 U.S.C. 796(21)) that has jurisdiction 
     to regulate rates and charges for the sale of electric energy 
     within the State, or restrict that State regulatory authority 
     from carrying out the duties and responsibilities of the 
     State regulatory authority pursuant to the jurisdiction of 
     the State regulatory authority to regulate rates and charges 
     for the transmission or sale of electric energy.

       ``(vii) Nothing in clause (vi) shall affect the 
     Commission's authority with respect to the trading, 
     execution, or clearing of any agreement, contract, or 
     transaction on or subject to the rules of a registered 
     entity, including a designated contract market, derivatives 
     clearing organization, or swaps execution facility.''.
       (f) Public Interest Waiver.--Section 4(c) of the Commodity 
     Exchange Act (7 U.S.C. 6(c)) (as amended by section 721(d)) 
     is amended by adding at the end the following:
       ``(6) If the Commission determines that the exemption would 
     be consistent with the public interest and the purposes of 
     this Act, the Commission shall, in accordance with paragraphs 
     (1) and (2), exempt from the requirements of this Act an 
     agreement, contract, or transaction that is entered into--
       ``(A) pursuant to a tariff or rate schedule approved or 
     permitted to take effect by the Federal Energy Regulatory 
     Commission;
       ``(B) pursuant to a tariff or rate schedule establishing 
     rates or charges for, or protocols governing, the sale of 
     electric energy approved or permitted to take effect by the 
     regulatory authority of the State or municipality having 
     jurisdiction to regulate rates and charges for the sale of 
     electric energy within the State or municipality; or
       ``(C) between entities described in section 201(f) of the 
     Federal Power Act (16 U.S.C. 824(f)).''.

  Mr. BINGAMAN. Mr. President, the further modification clarifies that 
each agency--that is, the FERC and the CFTC--will retain its legitimate 
authority, whether to review derivatives or to review rates and charges 
and prevent manipulation, without one agency knocking the other agency 
out of the box of its respective mission. It is a good improvement.
  I believe this amendment is now without substantial objection. I ask 
that we proceed to a voice vote on the amendment.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. If there is no further debate on the 
amendment, the question is on agreeing to the amendment.
  The amendment (No. 3892), as further modified, was agreed to.
  Mr. DODD. Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote and I move to 
lay that motion on the table.
  The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
  Mr. DODD. Mr. President, our colleague from North Dakota is going to 
speak over the next several minutes. At the conclusion of that, I will 
make some remarks, and then there will be a tabling motion of the 
Dorgan amendment. To make colleagues aware, that is what will happen.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from North Dakota.
  Mr. DORGAN. Mr. President, I have spoken on this amendment previously 
and have waited patiently for several weeks to be able to have an 
opportunity to vote on it. We have not been able to get it pending. I 
now have it pending because I offered it as a second-degree amendment 
to the Grassley amendment.
  This is an amendment that would ban the use of naked credit default 
swaps. You ask, how does a credit default swap get naked? It is an 
exotic, new financial instrument that has been developed over recent 
years to be traded back and forth by the big financial institutions. In 
fact, 90 percent of them are traded by the five biggest financial 
institutions. When people say you need these--banks need these--just a 
handful of banks trade most of these.
  What is a naked credit default swap? It means someone is buying 
insurance against some other instrument that they have no interest in, 
except they want to make a wager. I have said before that I can't buy 
fire insurance on the house that the Presiding Officer owns in 
Colorado. Why? Because I don't have an insurable interest in that 
house. If I went to somebody and said: I would like to buy some 
insurance against fire for that house, they would say: You don't own 
that house, so I cannot possibly sell you that policy. Also, I cannot 
buy a life insurance policy against my colleague from Connecticut 
because I don't have an insurable interest either.
  But I can go buy $100 million worth of insurance, right this second, 
on a bond issue that was issued by some company yesterday, even though 
I never, ever intend to own the bond, have no interest in the bond, and 
don't know much about the company. I just want to bet someone who will 
take the opposite side of the wager. I believe the bonds will not be 
repaid, and the counterparty says: No, you are wrong about that. I 
think that company will repay its bonds. So we make a friendly wager--
kind of like one of those Saturday sports wagers. We bet. I am betting 
this person about the question of whether the bonds will default. It is 
called synthetic when it is not real or naked when it has no interest. 
So this would be a synthetic or a naked credit default swap.
  It is a different story if I have an interest, where I actually 
bought those bonds--some company let the bonds and I bought them, so I 
am the investor in the bonds. But I want to make sure the default 
doesn't take me down with it, so I buy an insurance policy. That is a 
credit default swap that is covered. Naked means you have no interest, 
just a bet. Covered means it is an investment you made to try to hedge 
your risk on the default of the bonds.
  Here is what is interesting. We expect, based on what we know to be 
the case, that about 80 percent of all credit default swaps are not 
covered or what are called naked swaps--80 percent. Some people say to 
us: Well, we can't get rid of these financial instruments. These are 
very important for normal hedging. That is absolutely absurd, total 
rubbish.
  My amendment would say that at some point we have to ban naked credit 
default swaps. Mr. Pearlstein, who writes for the Washington Post, 
asked the question many months ago:

       Why should there be more insurance policies sold on a bond 
     issue than there are bonds to be insured?

  Why should you have 20 times more insurance policies than you do 
bonds? Because it is wagering, not investing.
  I find myself fairly disappointed by what is happening. This is a 
moment of substantial consequence for our country. We came very close, 
they say, to a meltdown of our economy. Trillions of dollars were lost. 
I guess there was about $14 trillion or $15 trillion in lost value for 
the American people. Millions of people lost their jobs. Millions of 
people have lost their homes. By the way, at graduation time, when 
colleges all across the country are graduating these bright, young men 
and women who have now gotten their college diploma--they are out 
looking for work, and way too many of them cannot find a job because of 
what happened to this economy in recent years.
  What happened? We created a casino economy. You didn't have to read 
the newspapers very much to understand what was going on. This 
unbelievable speculation, a bubble of speculation, occurred in 
virtually every single area, and there were new financial products on 
steroids--securitizing everything. Are you loaning somebody some money? 
Well, put it into a security, wrap it up and sell it to a hedge fund or 
an investment bank. Securitize everything. By the way, you can get some 
very bad stuff that is rated AAA. So sell it up. By the way, once you 
start selling things, you don't ever have to worry about whom you are 
issuing credit cards to or that you are wallpapering the room of people 
who don't have jobs with more credit cards. You don't have to do normal 
underwriting or sit across from somebody who wants to buy a house and 
look into their eyes and say: Tell us your income. How are you going to 
repay the loan if we loan you the money? You can put out liars' loans, 
no-doc loans. Don't document your income because we don't care. Don't 
pay any interest or principal now; we will put that on the back side. 
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have no credit or low credit, come to us--I will show you the 
advertisements that were on the radio, television, and newspapers: Slow 
credit, no credit, bad credit? We want to loan you money.
  They said: Let's securitize it and we will ship it upstream and we 
will all make big profits and fees and we will create credit default 
swaps and CDOs and we will all have a great time. When the whole thing 
crashes down, ``Wall Street'' will have lost about $36 billion in 1 
year and paid $17 billion in bonuses at the very same time.
  Do you think this wasn't a carnival of greed? Of course it was. There 
are a number of things we ought to do and too many that we will not do 
in this legislation. Too big to fail ought to have meant to all of us 
that you are simply too big. By the way, those who were judged too big 
to fail and would cause a grave risk to this entire economy if that 
firm should fail, they have now become much larger by the actions of 
the Federal Government arranging marriages of companies that weren't 
making it. So the too-big-to-fail companies are actually much larger 
now, and the underlying legislation doesn't do a thing about too big to 
fail in terms of paring it away and deciding if you are too big to 
fail, you are too big and you must divest until you don't cause a grave 
risk to the entire economy.
  In addition to the issue of too big to fail, there is the Glass-
Steagall reconnection. My colleague has an amendment on that. There is 
this issue I am raising on naked credit default swaps. If we have 
decided we are not going to get rid of these financial curveballs--
financial instruments on steroids that took this country for a huge 
ride and stuck the American people with trillions and trillions of 
dollars of loss and bad debt--if we don't do that, let's not crow about 
what we did because this is essential, in my judgment.
  This is what I think happens, as is always the case when it comes to 
Wall Street versus the rest of us; it is let's pretend time. This is a 
case of whose side are you on? Are you going to try to see if you can 
shut the door and deal with those issues that helped cause this near 
collapse of our economy or are we just going to buff it up a little bit 
around the edges? I am trying to tighten this bill.
  I have not been able to get this amendment up, except by offering it 
as a second-degree amendment. My understanding is, there will be a 
tabling motion. Those who decide they want to table it don't want to 
tighten this bill, don't want to take on Wall Street on these issues. 
They say: No, let's let Wall Street prance around and trade naked 
credit default swaps. They were up 8 percent in the fourth quarter of 
last year. You would think somebody would learn a lesson. They had a 
$700 billion bailout fund and so on, so you would think they would tone 
it down. No. In the fourth quarter of 2009, the use of credit default 
swaps was up 8 percent. If one wonders how much money is involved in 
all these things--I have spoken before about John Paulson, whose name 
came up recently with Goldman in the scandal that was the subject of a 
congressional hearing. In 2007, he was the highest income earner on 
Wall Street, earning $3.6 billion--one person. When he came home and 
his spouse said: Honey, how are we doing? If she wanted it by the 
month, he could say that this month we made $300 million. If she wanted 
it by the day, he could say: Pretty good. It is Saturday and I made $10 
million--$10 million a day, $3.6 billion a year.
  There was so much money involved in all these issues, and the reason 
there was so much was this unbelievable binge of speculation. We can 
pass financial reform, and we can call it whatever we want, but if we 
pass it and don't put a cork in this bottle, and we fail to deal with 
this issue, I will tell you, we will be back and we will find a way to 
have to confront, once again, the creation of these unbelievable 
speculative issues--naked credit default swaps--that have no insurable 
interest. We will regret the day we didn't address this issue head on.
  I understand why there is pushback from Wall Street and why some will 
be nervous about voting for this. They will want to table it because 
they are getting pushback from Wall Street. Wall Street is wrong--dead 
wrong. They don't need, nor do American banks need, to be trading 
credit default swaps in order to make money. Yet, as I indicated to 
you, five of the largest financial institutions in this country have 90 
percent of the credit default swaps. We think about 80 percent of them 
are without any insurable interest in anything. That is wagering, not 
investing.
  This country deserves better, and the American people deserve for the 
Congress to stand up to Wall Street and say: You know what, the 
creation of these instruments exacerbated the economic troubles of this 
country in a significant way, and at long last it is time to put an end 
to it. This amendment simply bans the use of naked credit default 
swaps. It has a provision that says, if such a ban in a certain 
timeframe would cause undue--Mr. President, the Senate is not in order.
  There is a provision in this legislation that, as opposed to a ban on 
a date certain, if that would prove to be troublesome, it would stretch 
out for an 18-month period by which such a ban could take effect.
  Let me say this. I understand the tabling motion will be made. My 
hope is that colleagues who believe we ought to take on Wall Street on 
these issues will stand up for the American people on these issues and 
do the right thing on these issues, especially since we are living in 
the shadow of a near collapse of this economy.
  My hope is that my colleagues will vote against tabling this 
amendment and, thereby, express their support for the amendment I am 
offering.
  I am offering this amendment on behalf of colleagues which I will 
submit for the Record as well.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Connecticut is recognized.
  Mr. DODD. Mr. President, I wish to speak a couple of minutes. This is 
the first opportunity we have had, with all the other amendments we 
talked about, to even talk about this very critically important part of 
the legislation, and that is the section dealing with derivatives, 
which is a source of major interest.
  I wish to spend a couple of minutes describing to my colleagues what 
is in this bill that is before us dealing with derivatives, and then I 
will express some concerns about the amendment of my good friend and 
colleague from North Dakota. Then at the conclusion of that, unless 
others would like to be quickly heard on this matter, I will move to 
table the Dorgan amendment.
  That is normally not what we have done. There have been no tabling 
motions made over these 2\1/2\ weeks. Let me express my regret that 
Senator Dorgan was unable to get a straight up-or-down vote on his 
amendment. Even though I have concerns about it, I tried over the last 
2 weeks to have everyone have their amendments raised so we could have 
a good, vibrant, full-throated debate on matters and let Members 
decide. In some cases, we had a 60-vote margin; in most cases a 50-vote 
margin. No one has said to anyone yet: Your amendment can't come up.
  I say to the Senator from North Dakota, I tried to see to it that 
everybody has the opportunity to be heard. As he knows and others know, 
we have had a stalemate this afternoon on whether matters can be heard.
  As I said, derivatives, as most of my colleagues and many in the 
country understand, are essentially hedges or bets whose worth rises 
and falls with the price of something in the marketplace. They can be 
very commonsense financial tools to help businesses manage their costs. 
The word is taken on a pejorative, but actually derivatives are 
critically important in our economy.
  For instance, let's say you make candy for a living; you are a candy 
manufacturer. The price of sugar is an incredibly important factor in 
determining your bottom line, and the cost of sugar can fluctuate 
dramatically. All sorts of factors can raise or lower the price of 
sugar, which is a critical component in your production of candy, but 
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what happens to the price of sugar as a candy manufacturer. Derivatives 
can help you manage volatility, and that is why they are so valuable in 
our economy.
  If it sounds like insurance, that is because if used properly, that 
is exactly what it is.
  Let's say you are an investor and you will not be able to afford the 
loss if your company or government whose bonds you bought defaults. 
Again, you do not have control over that company's or government's 
ability to pay you back. So a form of insurance has sprung up in the 
form of derivatives that would protect you against that kind of 
default. It is called a credit default swap, or CDS.
  Just like a derivatives contract on the price of sugar, it is not 
necessarily a bad thing. In fact, it could be very helpful in terms of 
managing volatility and protecting against losses totally unconnected 
with your activity.
  Credit default swaps played a huge role, as we now know, in the lead-
up to the financial crisis that has cost our country so much.
  For instance, take what happened to AIG, the former insurance giant. 
Before the crisis, institutions around the world bought credit 
protection against mortgage-backed securities from AIG, just like you 
or I might have bought some other, more pedestrian insurance policy. 
When those mortgage-backed securities failed, AIG owed money to all of 
those protection buyers around the world. But AIG, as a seller of CDSs, 
had no regulatory requirement that it actually have the capital on hand 
that it would need to pay those parties if, in fact, it was called.
  Guess who ended up having to make those counterparties whole. We, the 
taxpayers, the taxpayers across the country because AIG lacked the 
capital behind those derivatives. Even worse, because there was no 
reporting requirement, regulators did not even know where the risks 
were in the financial system. Because there was no requirement that 
these transactions run through a clearinghouse, even people in the 
financial sector could not figure out for sure who was exposed to AIG's 
potential failure.
  The result, of course, was a total freeze in our markets and our 
financial system because financial sector actors no longer trusted that 
their counterparties would be creditworthy. And who could blame them? 
It is like if you did not trust your bank to be around the next day, 
you would get your money out in a hurry, as many did back 80 years ago 
when there were no protections. When the word went out, people took to 
the streets. That is why the bill drawn up in our Banking Committee and 
Agriculture Committee contains some very tough new rules for CDSs and 
the rest of the derivatives market.
  Under the terms of our bill, CDSs must centrally be cleared and 
traded on regulated exchanges in order to reduce counterparty risks and 
to promote transparency and stability in our financial system.
  The central clearinghouse will set margin requirements and position 
limits. Those ideas have been around for decades, by the way, within 
the commodities markets, going back to the 1870s or 1880s. Margin 
requirements and collateral requirements have been required; hence, 
there are very few problems in the commodities markets because of 
margin requirements and collateral requirements.
  The bill before us includes tough new rules for protection sellers, 
such as AIG and dealers such as Goldman Sachs, that will be registered 
and regulated by the SEC and CFTC. They will have to face tough new 
rules to curb excessive risk taking, and all CDSs will be reported 
through a central clearinghouse, data repository, or directly to 
regulators.
  For the very first time, financial advisers working with 
municipalities--the people helping to ensure that our communities 
invest wisely--will have to register and be subject to rules and 
regulations.
  Our colleague from North Dakota, Senator Dorgan, has offered an 
important amendment to tackle yet another problem, as he sees it, with 
CDSs. If you owned a house and bought a policy that would pay you money 
if the house burned down, we would call that insurance. But if you 
bought that policy on someone else's house, a house you did not even 
own, you probably would not get invited to spend the weekend there 
because you were betting the house would catch on fire.
  At best, we call that a cynical bet. Unfortunately, it happens a lot 
in our financial system. It is called a naked CDS. It is a CDS in which 
the entity buying protection does not even own the underlying credit.
  During the crisis, traders bought protection hoping that borrowers 
would fail to pay back their loans--borrowers such as the government of 
Greece or the State of California, for that matter.
  Betting on failure, of course, is dangerous, as we know. That is why 
Senator Dorgan has offered an important amendment, in his mind, to 
define the problem. In addition to requiring all CDSs to be cleared, it 
outright bans naked CDSs and synthetic asset-backed securities.
  I have described the serious steps we have taken in our underlying 
bill to reduce the dangers in the CDS market. Senator Dorgan's 
amendment goes a step further and, in my view, too far at this 
particular juncture. Let me explain why.
  I don't know, nor can anyone say with absolute clarity, what are the 
implications and the unintended consequences if we have a total ban on 
the naked synthetic credit default swaps.
  Here is my concern. You can have, for instance, people hedging 
against where they have uninsured interests. In fact Greece--a country 
that may fall, an entity in which there is no particular financial 
interest but there is a concern that economy may not be there--they 
lack insurable interests, necessarily, but it is not illegitimate to 
want to protect yourself against an event such as the collapse of 
another country that could cause financial disruptions.
  My concern about the Dorgan amendment, and had we been dealing with 
it in another means--that is, we had offered the Dorgan amendment--I 
intended to offer a side-by-side amendment that would have allowed this 
to go forward but asking the security risk management operation we set 
up in this bill to make valuation to determine how this could work.
  I happen to believe in certain instances what Senator Dorgan offers 
makes sense. My concern is I cannot tell you with certainty what the 
unintended consequences are. I cannot say with absolute certainty what 
Senator Dorgan is proposing actually will be doing what it claims or if 
there are broader implications to it.
  This is a very important matter. I do not minimize it at all. But as 
chairman of this committee responsible for advising colleagues and 
drafting legislation, I need to talk with some certainty about what I 
think the implications will be of certain proposals. I cannot tell you 
what the outcome of this will be. There may be serious consequences 
negatively to our economy if we adopt this amendment as is.
  For those reasons this evening, I feel compelled to disagree with 
this amendment. The only alternative I have to disagreeing to it is to 
vote to table because of the procedural position in which we find 
ourselves. I would have preferred a side-by-side which would have given 
some room for the Dorgan amendment to move forward with further 
consideration as to how it is applied.
  Lacking that ability, do we accept or reject the amendment? Because 
of the concerns I have about accepting the amendment without knowing 
what the consequences may be, I have to recommend the amendment be 
defeated. Without necessary protections for commercial end users, 
financial stability, and governments and corporations that depend on 
credit in which to operate and any alternative, we risk shutting down a 
$25 trillion credit default swap market--a $25 trillion credit default 
swap market. We need thorough examination and study before taking this 
kind of dramatic action. That much is at risk if this amendment were to 
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  I urge my colleagues, given the circumstances, to support the tabling 
motion.
  I see my colleague from North Dakota. I withhold making the tabling 
motion and give him a chance to respond.
  Mr. DORGAN. Mr. President, I appreciate the courtesy of my colleague 
from Connecticut. My colleague talks about unintended consequences. We 
already know the real consequences of what are called naked credit 
default swaps. That is all we are talking about with this amendment.
  My colleague started out by talking about normal hedging by a candy 
manufacturer with respect to the price of sugar. That is not what this 
is about at all, and I am not prepared to lose a debate in which I am 
not involved. That is not what this is about. This is about naked 
credit default swaps.
  My colleague says there is $25 trillion of notional value of credit 
default swaps. I have cited two sources--the best two of which I am 
aware--that says 80 percent of them--think of this--as much as 80 
percent of them have no insurable interest. They are just flatout 
naked, just gambling, betting, not investing.
  This is not a case of unintended consequences. We know the real 
consequences. We have already lived it and experienced it and we ought 
to understand that we cannot accept it any longer.
  This bill allows us to decide what kind of financial system we want 
going forward. Do we want to leave here saying we want a financial 
system in which the big shots on Wall Street decide they want to trade 
$25 trillion worth of credit default swaps, 90 percent of them in the 
five biggest banks?
  If that is what they want to do and it is betting rather than 
investing, God bless them; let them do it. Who are we to tell them? Who 
are we to tell them? We lost about $15 trillion, that is who we are.
  My question is: Are we going to see if we can sober up this system to 
say this is not the kind of financial system with which we grew up? 
Only in the last decade and a half did we decide to securitize 
everything and create these new exotic instruments--CDOs, naked credit 
default swaps and the like. That has happened recently. It was not 
because my colleagues from Connecticut and Alabama came to the floor of 
the Senate and said: Let's decide to create a whole series of new 
financial instruments in this country that are hard to pronounce and 
understand. They can all make a lot of money in fees, pay big bonuses, 
and it will work out just fine. That is not how it happened. It 
happened because we had a bunch of brain-dead regulators, among other 
things, who said: Go play. And they all went to play and made a lot of 
money, and this economy nearly pancaked.
  So this amendment, I would say to the Senator from Connecticut, is 
very simple. It would ban the use of naked credit default swaps in 
which no one has any insurable interest.
  By the way, with respect to unintended consequences, under this 
modified amendment I have offered, the appropriate Federal regulators, 
including the chair of the Financial Stability Oversight Board, may 
phase in the effective date for up to 18 months if they determine the 
phase-in of the prohibitions and limitations in the amendment is 
necessary to avoid undue market disruptions.
  Having said that, I respect the view of my colleague. I profoundly 
disagree with it. I hope very much that my colleagues will decide not 
to table this amendment and to stand on the side of people who say: 
Let's really make a change here. We understand what happened. It was 
awful for this country. Let's make sure it doesn't happen again. The 
only way we will do that is to effect the kind of change that exists in 
this amendment.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Connecticut.
  Mr. DODD. Mr. President, again very briefly, obviously much of what 
we have included under our bill, of course, is designed specifically to 
avoid the kinds of losses that occurred. There are provisions in the 
bill dealing with those kinds of safeguards--the clearinghouses, the 
regulators, the mandatory exchanges, and the like. That is in the bill.
  Again, I have to say to my colleagues here that there are potentially 
serious consequences to this. There are no protections for commercial 
end users if this amendment is adopted. We run the risk of financial 
instability in governments and corporations that depend upon credit to 
operate--$25 trillion.
  Again, I would have offered a side-by-side which would have taken 
some of the good aspects of the Dorgan amendment, but my concern is 
about exactly the provisions I have mentioned, and there is too much at 
risk, in my view.
  If this is the only choice we are given, I have to provide my 
recommendation. My recommendation is, given the choice we are given, 
the choice I have to make in this particular case is that we table this 
amendment.
  For those reasons, Mr. President, I move to table the Dorgan 
amendment, and I ask for the yeas and nays.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there a sufficient second? There appears to 
be a sufficient second.
  Mr. DODD. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that if the Dorgan 
amendment No. 4114 is disposed of, then the Senate proceed to vote in 
relation to the Grassley amendment No. 4072, with no intervening 
amendment in order.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, the unanimous consent 
request is agreed to.
  The question is on agreeing to the motion.
  The clerk will call the roll.
  The assistant legislative clerk called the roll.
  Mr. DURBIN. I announce that the Senator from West Virginia (Mr. 
Byrd), the Senator from Arkansas (Mrs. Lincoln), the Senator from New 
York (Mr. Schumer), and the Senator from Pennsylvania (Mr. Specter) are 
necessarily absent.
  Mr. KYL. The following Senator is necessarily absent: the Senator 
from Ohio (Mr. Voinovich).
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Are there any other Senators in the Chamber 
desiring to vote?
  The result was announced--yeas 57, nays 38, as follows:

                      [Rollcall Vote No. 156 Leg.]

                                YEAS--57

     Akaka
     Alexander
     Barrasso
     Baucus
     Bayh
     Bennett
     Bingaman
     Bond
     Brown (MA)
     Brownback
     Burr
     Carper
     Chambliss
     Coburn
     Cochran
     Collins
     Corker
     Cornyn
     Crapo
     DeMint
     Dodd
     Enzi
     Gillibrand
     Graham
     Grassley
     Gregg
     Hagan
     Hatch
     Hutchison
     Inhofe
     Inouye
     Isakson
     Johanns
     Johnson
     Kerry
     Kohl
     Kyl
     Landrieu
     LeMieux
     Lieberman
     Lugar
     McCain
     McConnell
     Mikulski
     Murkowski
     Nelson (NE)
     Reed
     Risch
     Roberts
     Sessions
     Shelby
     Snowe
     Stabenow
     Thune
     Vitter
     Warner
     Wicker

                                NAYS--38

     Begich
     Bennet
     Boxer
     Brown (OH)
     Bunning
     Burris
     Cantwell
     Cardin
     Casey
     Conrad
     Dorgan
     Durbin
     Ensign
     Feingold
     Feinstein
     Franken
     Harkin
     Kaufman
     Klobuchar
     Lautenberg
     Leahy
     Levin
     McCaskill
     Menendez
     Merkley
     Murray
     Nelson (FL)
     Pryor
     Reid
     Rockefeller
     Sanders
     Shaheen
     Tester
     Udall (CO)
     Udall (NM)
     Webb
     Whitehouse
     Wyden

                             NOT VOTING--5

     Byrd
     Lincoln
     Schumer
     Specter
     Voinovich
  The motion was agreed to.
  Mr. DODD. I move to reconsider the vote, and I move to lay that 
motion on the table.
  The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.


                           Amendment No. 4072

  Mr. DODD. I inquire of the Chair, the pending business is now the 
Grassley amendment; is that correct?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The pending amendment is the Grassley 
amendment.
  Mr. DODD. I understand there will be a request for a rollcall vote on 
the Grassley amendment. After that, we are still anxious--we have 
additional amendments. I say to my colleagues, many of you have 
submitted amendments you would like to have considered this evening 
before we get to a cloture vote tomorrow. I am willing to

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stay and try to accommodate as many as possible. I know Members would 
like to have clarity on whether we will have any more votes. There are 
a number of other amendments we would take up in relatively short 
order.
  I have submitted some 49 amendments to my good friend, Richard 
Shelby, the ranking member of the committee, that we could accept, both 
Democratic and Republican amendments. Some are bipartisan amendments. I 
am not expecting to accept every one of them, but there are many that 
could be part of a managers' amendment that could take care of a lot of 
concerns others have raised. We will have to wait to determine whether 
they have been cleared.
  Tomorrow, there will be a cloture motion. In the meantime, there is 
still time this evening to consider amendments that otherwise would 
probably fail in a postcloture environment. I am willing to stay and 
deal with as many of these amendments as we can before we get to that 
cloture motion tomorrow, but the pending matter is the Grassley 
amendment.
  There has been a request for the yeas and nays on those votes. That 
is the immediate business. After that, I cannot tell you with absolute 
certainty there will be additional rollcall votes. If others ask for 
them, we may ask you to come back and cast a ballot.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The majority leader is recognized.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, we are trying to have more votes, but we 
will have to see if we do. We will have this vote. I think it is fair 
to say it may be difficult to have more votes tonight.
  We are going to work--we are scheduled to have the vote an hour after 
we come in. I will work with the Republican leader to find out exactly 
what time we need that to be. I know there are some problems with 
attendance. We will have it at either 10 o'clock or 11 o'clock, 
whatever is convenient for everyone. We may be able to dispose of some 
amendments, even in the morning.
  Mr. DODD. While all Members are here, this has been a remarkable 3 
weeks. I realize not every amendment has been adopted, but for many of 
us, we were able to get back to the business where we actually have 
amendments offered, debates occurring, a good-throated discussion of a 
very important set of issues.
  My hope would be that tomorrow--it is coming to the point where we 
can go on indefinitely on the subject matter. We need to get to closure 
at some point. My plea to colleagues, as you are thinking about this 
evening, amendments tonight, a few amendments tomorrow, some amendments 
in postcloture, we need to come to closure on this legislation. It is a 
good bill. The country is expecting us to answer the issue of whether 
we are going to protect our people from future bailouts, give them some 
protection against the kinds of problems that occurred in the past.
  I urge you, as the chairman of this committee, to be supportive of 
our motion tomorrow and begin to reach closure on this bill so we can 
move on to other matters.
  Mr. President, I ask for the yeas and nays on the Grassley amendment.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there a sufficient second? There appears to 
be a sufficient second.
  The clerk will call the roll.
  The bill clerk called the roll.
  Mr. DURBIN. I announce that the Senator from West Virginia (Mr. 
Byrd), the Senator from Arkansas (Mrs. Lincoln), and the Senator from 
Pennsylvania (Mr. Specter) are necessarily absent.
  Mr. KYL. The following Senator is necessarily absent: the Senator 
from Ohio (Mr. Voinovich).
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Are there any other Senators in the Chamber 
desiring to vote?
  The result was announced--yeas 75, nays 21, as follows:

                      [Rollcall Vote No. 157 Leg.]

                                YEAS--75

     Alexander
     Barrasso
     Baucus
     Bayh
     Begich
     Bennet
     Bennett
     Bingaman
     Bond
     Brown (MA)
     Brown (OH)
     Brownback
     Bunning
     Burr
     Cantwell
     Carper
     Casey
     Chambliss
     Coburn
     Cochran
     Collins
     Conrad
     Corker
     Cornyn
     Crapo
     DeMint
     Dorgan
     Durbin
     Ensign
     Enzi
     Feingold
     Graham
     Grassley
     Gregg
     Hagan
     Harkin
     Hatch
     Hutchison
     Inhofe
     Isakson
     Johanns
     Johnson
     Kaufman
     Kerry
     Klobuchar
     Kohl
     Kyl
     Landrieu
     Leahy
     LeMieux
     Lugar
     McCain
     McCaskill
     McConnell
     Mikulski
     Murkowski
     Murray
     Nelson (NE)
     Nelson (FL)
     Risch
     Roberts
     Sessions
     Shaheen
     Shelby
     Snowe
     Stabenow
     Tester
     Thune
     Udall (CO)
     Udall (NM)
     Vitter
     Webb
     Whitehouse
     Wicker
     Wyden

                                NAYS--21

     Akaka
     Boxer
     Burris
     Cardin
     Dodd
     Feinstein
     Franken
     Gillibrand
     Inouye
     Lautenberg
     Levin
     Lieberman
     Menendez
     Merkley
     Pryor
     Reed
     Reid
     Rockefeller
     Sanders
     Schumer
     Warner

                             NOT VOTING--4

     Byrd
     Lincoln
     Specter
     Voinovich
  The amendment (No. 4072) was agreed to.
  Mr. DODD. I move to reconsider the vote and to lay that on the table.
  The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Iowa.
  Mr. HARKIN. I call up amendment No. 4085 and ask for its immediate 
consideration.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection to setting aside the 
pending amendment?
  Mr. ENZI. I object.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Objection is heard.
  Mr. HARKIN. Parliamentary inquiry.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Iowa.
  Mr. HARKIN. What is the pending amendment?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The pending amendment is amendment No. 4050, 
offered by the Senator from Maryland, Mr. Cardin.
  Mr. HARKIN. Mr. President, I wish to be heard on this amendment. We 
were told to stay here tonight so we could offer amendments. I have had 
an amendment pending since this bill was brought to the floor. I have 
not been able to bring it up. We were told we could stay here tonight 
and offer amendments. In good faith, I stayed here to offer an 
amendment. Now I am told we can't offer amendments because of the 
pending amendment, and we can't set it aside. What kind of games are 
being played around here? I had this amendment pending ever since the 
beginning, and I have not been allowed to bring it up. With cloture 
tomorrow, it would fall. What does it mean that we should stay around 
here to offer amendments tonight, when there is a pending amendment we 
can't set aside?
  If that is the game we are going to play, I am going to put in a 
quorum call and we will not call it off.
  Mr. REID. Will my friend yield without losing his right to the floor?
  Mr. HARKIN. Without losing my right to the floor, I yield to the 
majority leader.
  Mr. REID. In the conversations we just continued over here, I tried 
to work something out. It was my understanding that the minority, the 
Republicans, agreed to allow the Senator's amendment dealing with 
annuities to come up.
  Mr. HARKIN. I can't hear.
  Mr. REID. In a conversation we had over here a few minutes ago, the 
Republicans and Senator Dodd and his staff thought it would be 
appropriate to bring up your amendment dealing with annuities. That was 
part of the general agreement we had worked out over here.
  Mr. HARKIN. Well, I have my ATM amendment, and then there is an 
annuities amendment.
  Mr. REID. The annuities amendment is what the conversation was about.
  Mr. HARKIN. This is the ATM amendment that I have had filed since the 
beginning. I have had it filed since this bill was brought to the 
floor.
  Mr. REID. So what about the annuity amendment?
  Mr. HARKIN. I have that amendment too. I didn't know there was a 
limit. I have two amendments. I have an annuities amendment and an ATM 
amendment.
  Mr. REID. I guess my question through the Chair to my friend from

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Iowa is, rather than going into a quorum call tonight, you could always 
do that some other time. I think it would be more productive if your 
amendment, which is dealing with annuities, was lumped into a number of 
other amendments that have been agreed to on both sides. See if we can 
dispose of those. Then if you still feel aggrieved at a later time, you 
could still do whatever you want.
  Mr. HARKIN. I will not be able to because there will be a cloture 
vote tomorrow, and I will have been precluded for 3 weeks from offering 
my amendment. That is not quite fair ball around here. I said I would 
do my amendment in 5 minutes. I don't need to take much time.
  Mr. REID. I say again through the Chair to my friend, it seems that 
it would be better that you would have the opportunity at least to get 
the annuity amendment, which a number of us believe is a very important 
amendment. I think it would be better if we were able to at least get 
rid of that amendment in a positive way. I think that is a very 
important amendment. If I had to choose between the ATM amendment or 
the amendment dealing with annuities, it would be hard for me to make a 
choice which one is the most important amendment. It is not a question 
of not having two amendments. It is a question of couldn't we at least 
dispose of one of them which is an important amendment; otherwise, the 
way this train is going, we may never get to the annuity amendment.
  Mr. HARKIN. I say to my friend, the leader, that we seem to have an 
impasse. I have an annuities amendment. I don't know what is going to 
happen to that. I don't know if they are going to bring it up, vote on 
it or not vote on it. No one has said to me what they are going to do 
with it. I have an ATM amendment I have been trying to bring up. I 
heard my friend from Connecticut--and he is my friend; I respect him 
highly--say: Stay around here tonight and offer amendments. I just 
offered an amendment, and now I can't offer the amendment because they 
will not set aside the pending amendment.
  Mr. REID. I am not going to belabor the point, other than to say to 
my friend, there has been a tentative agreement between the two 
managers of the bill, including offering your amendment dealing with 
annuities. That is an important amendment. I support it a lot. I think 
the other amendment is good too. But we don't have agreement on both of 
them. We do on one of them.
  Mr. HARKIN. Mr. President, until we find some way to work something 
out, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The bill clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. WYDEN. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for 
the quorum call be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection?
  Mr. NELSON of Florida. I object.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Objection is heard.
  The bill clerk continued with the call of the roll.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Oregon.
  Mr. WYDEN. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to vacate the 
quorum call.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection?
  Without objection, the quorum call is lifted.
  Mr. WYDEN. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to set aside the 
pending amendment and call up amendment No. 4019, the bipartisan 
amendment Senator Grassley and I have worked on for years to end secret 
holds here in the Senate, and permit 10 minutes of debate.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection?
  Mr. SHELBY. I object.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Objection is heard.
  Mr. SHELBY. I object on behalf of Senator DeMint.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Objection is heard.
  The Senator from Oregon.
  Mr. WYDEN. Parliamentary inquiry: Could the Senator who objected to 
my request identify on whose behalf the objection was made?
  Mr. SHELBY. I objected on behalf of Senator DeMint.
  Mr. WYDEN. Mr. President, if I could be heard on this very briefly, 
my friend Senator Grassley is here, and perhaps we could take 3 minutes 
or so each to discuss this.
  We have worked on this now for more than a decade. The American 
people are furious at the way business is done in Washington, DC, and 
if ever there were a concrete reason why, we have seen it in the 
handling of this bipartisan effort to once and for all take business in 
the Senate out of the shadows and do public business in public. This 
has widespread, bipartisan support. It is designed to ensure that when 
a Senator uses one of the most powerful tools at their disposal to 
actually block the public from seeing public business, that Senator 
would be publicly accountable. That hasn't been the case, and again and 
again we have seen colleagues over the last decade abuse this process.
  It used to be years ago something that was a courtesy. Now it has 
come to rule life here in the Senate. Scores and scores of instances of 
holds have been used by both political parties. There is one Senator in 
this body--just one--who has objected to this coming up, and that 
Senator has been unwilling on multiple occasions to come to the floor 
of the Senate and actually state why he insists on defending secret 
holds. So the effort to derail secret holds is, in effect, something 
that is also being done in secret.
  We wish to open the Senate to the kind of transparency and 
accountability the American people deserve, but we can't even get to a 
debate because the person who wants to derail this effort for new 
openness and new transparency won't even come to the floor and say it 
to our face. That is what this is all about. One can have their own 
views with respect to holds. Colleagues will differ on this, but what 
we ought to insist on is what Senator Grassley has said over this 
decade and that is if you are going to object, you ought to have the 
guts to come forward and do it publicly.
  I will tell my colleagues, I believe the secret hold here in the 
Senate is an absolutely indefensible violation of the public's right to 
know. Having an office here in the Senate, honored by the people of 
your State, in my view is a sacred trust. I believe if you told the 
people of your home State that you are going to go to Washington and 
keep the public from even getting a peek at a critical nomination or a 
bill, they wouldn't stand for it for a moment. They certainly wouldn't 
send you back to the Senate.
  I intend to come back to this floor again and again and again. I see 
my friend Senator Grassley here, who has in my view been a leader in 
the fight for open and transparent government. I will tell my 
colleagues, I think the idea that one Senator--because we got this to a 
vote and we asked for 10 minutes tonight for a debate, this would pass 
overwhelmingly--but one Senator objects to our even getting a vote for 
more sunshine in government. Again, that Senator has been unwilling on 
multiple occasions to come to the floor and say why he favors secrecy.
  In fact, yesterday--I say this to my friend, the Senator from 
Alabama, my good friend--the objector said, Well, he was interested in 
the Senator from South Carolina having the opportunity to come and talk 
to Senator Grassley and me about our amendment. He has done nothing of 
the sort. So he objected the first time without notice when we were 
minutes away from a victory that would have transformed Senate 
procedure for new openness. He has objected through colleagues. He has 
been unwilling to come and talk to us about why he insists on secrecy--
and, by the way, what he apparently wants to do is something I have 
actually voted for.
  This strikes me as an absolutely indefensible way to do business. It 
is a concrete case, in my view, of why the American people are so 
furious about the way business is done in Washington, DC.

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  I wish to have my friend from Iowa have a few minutes, and then, with 
the indulgence of the Chair, we will wrap up. This is our third such 
effort, and I don't care how many times we have to come back to the 
floor to win this fight for open, transparent, and accountable 
government. I think it goes right to the core of our duties in the 
Senate.
  I yield the floor, and I particularly express my appreciation to the 
Senator from Iowa for his patience. We now have well over 10 years into 
this cause and we are going to prosecute this issue of openness and 
accountability until the public interest prevails.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Iowa is recognized.
  Mr. GRASSLEY. Mr. President, my friend from Oregon has adequately 
spoken about the rationale behind what we are trying to do as well as 
the substance of it, so there is no point in my repeating that. But I 
think people ought to wake up to what is inevitable around here. When 3 
or 4 years ago we had exactly the same substance up, it passed the 
Senate 84 to 13, I think, and through subterfuge, it was taken out in 
conference. The House doesn't conference a Senate procedure, so that is 
why I use the word ``subterfuge.'' So we ended up with something that 
has not worked in the last 3 or 4 years.
  Then we hear, particularly from the other side, about the holds, 
blaming this side for it. Every side has some guilt of misuse of holds. 
The fact is there is nothing in our amendment that changes the power of 
an individual Senator to hold up something. It is not as though we are 
trying to compromise this very significant power that an individual 
Senator has, but we are taking the adjective ``secret'' away from 
secret hold so that you know who the person is; so you can have 
dialogue with that person; so you can find out what their objections 
are; so you can reach compromises. That is the purpose of it. When 
things are secret, it is not only obnoxious to our principle of 
representative government; it violates the opportunity for an 
institution such as this to actually work. We should want to enhance 
the respect of this institution and one way to do that is to take the 
adjective out of secret hold, not to change anything else. It will 
enhance so much public understanding of what we are doing, because the 
public's business ought to be public. In our democracy, 99 percent of 
what we do--and maybe the only exception would be privacy of an 
individual or national security--of the public's business ought to be 
public, and that is what the people expect. But this word ``secret'' 
keeps from the public knowledge a lot of information that ought to be 
there to make this body work and to make sure we reduce the cynicism of 
the public toward government operation.
  As I said, first, it is inevitable that this is going to happen. 
Senator Wyden and I are going to pursue this, because this is the time 
to do it. The abuse of this power has gone on way too long.
  I yield the floor.
  Mr. SHELBY. Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. MERKLEY. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order 
for the quorum call be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. MERKLEY. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the pending 
amendment be set aside and that my amendment No. 4101 be brought up, 
considered as read, and that a vote be held at 9 p.m. this evening.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection?
  Mr. SHELBY. Objection.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Objection is heard.
  Mr. MERKLEY. Mr. President, earlier this evening, my colleague noted 
that philosophically he shared some interest in this amendment. Others 
were objecting to it. I wonder whether he would share, in the interest 
of the debate--and Senator Wyden was just speaking to it, and Senator 
Grassley was also--who is objecting to this amendment being debated 
tonight.
  Mr. SHELBY. I was objecting on behalf of myself and a lot of other 
Members.
  Mr. MERKLEY. I thank the Senator. I think it would be useful if the 
citizens of our Nation were to know who was objecting and that the 
names be read into the Record. I think the citizens have a right to 
know where their Senators stand on this issue. It is an ideal time to 
let the citizens know who is putting the secret holds on this 
amendment.
  Mr. SHELBY. Mr. President, if I can respond, there is no secret hold 
here. I am objecting on behalf of myself to his unanimous consent 
request.
  Mr. MERKLEY. Mr. President, I know I put my colleague in a terrible 
spot by asking that question. But I do think the citizens of our Nation 
deserve an explanation as to why we are here tonight and not currently 
debating any of a whole list of amendments that Members of this body 
wanted to bring forward about how we improve our financial system.
  The amendment, No. 4101, is an amendment that is cosponsored by Carl 
Levin and myself and about 20 other Senators in this body. There are 
not that many amendments that have 20-plus cosponsors. I will tell you 
that it is not the number of cosponsors, although that indicates a 
genuine interest among colleagues in debating this; it is the substance 
that goes to the heart of the conversation between Wall Street and Main 
Street.
  This amendment is about how we aggregate capital in our country and 
how we allocate it. How do we get money where it does the most good to 
build our economy and build the success of our families? We have a 
couple of different ways of doing that in our Nation. One is that we 
make a deposit in a bank, and the bank also has access to the Federal 
Reserve window, where they get very low cost loans. The intent of us 
providing both access to the Fed window and the low-cost loan and 
providing a government insurance on deposits is that this money is 
going to go into loans to our families and our small businesses. That 
access to capital is absolutely essential for building our small 
businesses.
  Right now, our businesses are having a difficult time accessing 
capital. I bet every Member of this body has gone around their States 
and heard the stories I hear in Oregon. I hear about credit lines being 
cut in half or eliminated. I hear about projects where they are ready 
to seize a business opportunity but that opportunity is blocked because 
they cannot get a loan they would have gotten in a heartbeat last year 
or 2 years ago or 3 years ago. Those opportunities are not just about 
the success of the business; they are about the success of our families 
because when those small businesses expand, they put people to work.
  Right now, access to capital is frozen through much of our economy, 
inaccessible to our families and small businesses to be able to seize 
those opportunities to expand. Why is that? It is because we put in the 
same house both our lending system and our high-risk investing system. 
Both of these work very well.
  Let me explain the high-risk investing side. If you are so fortunate 
as to have a big chunk of capital, you may say: I am going to put this 
into this private equity fund or venture capital fund or this hedge 
fund, and they are going to have some very capable managers who are 
going to look for investments--often high-risk opportunities. They will 
scour the United States, and they are going to find opportunities to 
invest. A lot of the time those investments pay off handsomely. Those 
who are fortunate enough to have the funds to be able to put them into 
such investment vehicles often do very well.
  Occasionally, the bets that are made go awry. Why is that? Well, a 
fund says: You know what, there is a huge new opportunity in Russia, 
for example, because the price of oil is going up and they have a lot 
of oil they want to develop. They are changing their rules and there 
are new opportunities for business to thrive and take advantage of 
those new rules. So they invest in Russia, but something goes wrong and 
the price of oil drops and their investments blow up--suddenly, the 
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  If that investment fund is by itself, it doesn't really hurt the rest 
of the economy. As long as it is by itself and not systemically so 
large that it poses a huge risk to the rest of the economy, and it goes 
bust, the investors simply lose their money. No harm done. But if it is 
inside of a bank, now you have a problem because when that goes bust, 
the bank is responsible for the responsibilities of that fund, and the 
result is that the bank goes down.
  We saw that Citibank went down. We saw so many other big banks--when 
I say ``went down,'' I mean they had huge losses. Citibank is still 
alive. I know the folks in South Dakota will be happy to know that. 
They had huge losses, and the former chair of Citibank believes we need 
to separate the high-risk investing and the function of depositing, 
accessing money through the Fed, and making those loans to our families 
and small businesses so they can thrive. It is a separation between two 
functions.
  I would be happy to yield to my colleague if he wants to explain why 
he is objecting to having a debate on the floor of the Senate that is a 
debate that is so important to the success of our small businesses, so 
important to the success of our families, that is so important because 
we should have learned over what happened in the last 2 years that if 
these two functions are combined, they hurt each other. Why would we 
not want to debate the diversion of money out of the hands of our small 
businesses and into Wall Street? I would yield if my colleague across 
the aisle would like to say why he is objecting to having this debate 
tonight. If he would like to jump up later and explain it, I will take 
that comment at that time.
  We cannot do our job here in the Senate if a Senator blocks the 
debate of issues that are important to the success of our Republic. We 
cannot do our job here in the Senate if a Senator blocks the debate of 
issues that are important to our families. We cannot do our job if 
folks, on behalf of Wall Street giants, come to the floor and object to 
the debate of fixing our financial system so our small businesses can 
thrive.
  I can tell you this: Back home, people know that this body helped out 
the biggest corporations in America last year in a very difficult time 
for them, when many of them would have gone bust. They want to know why 
this body, tonight, is unwilling to debate changes in the law that will 
help the small businesses of America, changes that will help the 
families of America, debate that will enable us to discuss improving 
our system so that we can have decades of solid growth in the years 
ahead. Why should Wall Street veto a debate in this body tonight for 
Main Street? I can't explain that to the folks back home.
  I can't explain to the folks back home that we have an amendment that 
has been carefully worked on for months; that there are colleagues on 
both sides of the aisle who wanted to have this debate; that we have an 
amendment that was worked on very carefully with experts from Wall 
Street to make sure we got it right; that we have an amendment about 
which the Treasury Department called in experts, brought them in 
through meetings and said: Here is the challenge, here is what you need 
do and how you can fix it. How do I explain to them that, with all that 
work, we could have a rational debate. But it isn't going to happen 
because Wall Street is asking colleagues to block the debate for the 
American people. Why is Wall Street winning and Main Street losing 
tonight? I would like an explanation. The American people would like an 
explanation.
  Another piece of this bill says that nonbank financial 
organizations--by this, you can simply say hedge funds and equity 
funds, funds that pool money and make risky investments--that if they 
are so large, they pose a risk to the economy as a whole, then the 
regulators can add additional capital requirements, so they have to set 
aside more dollars for every dollar they invest.
  Two years ago, the SEC lifted the capital requirements on the largest 
five investment banks in America. Bear Stearns went from 20-to-1 
leverage to 40-to-1 leverage in 1 year. What do I mean by that? For 
every dollar they set aside in case investments went bad, they invested 
$20. So you only had to have a 5-percent drop in value to wipe out what 
they set aside. At the end of the year, they got 40-to-1 leverage, and 
that meant for every $100 invested, they only had $2.50 set aside, and 
you only needed 2.5 percent reduction in investments to go bust. What 
kind of regulation system would allow 40-to-1 leverage?
  Should we not have a debate on the second main piece of this 
amendment, which says that regulators, when you have a systemically 
significant firm, can increase the leverage requirement, increase the 
capital set aside, so that firm is not operating in a way that it can 
bring down our economy or punch a huge hole in our economy?
  So the first part of the amendment says that high-risk investing is 
wonderful for allocating capital but do it away from our lending system 
so that our small businesses and our families can have access to a 
steady flow of capital, so that capital will not be frozen when 
investments go bad.
  The second part of the amendment says: Give the regulators the power 
to increase the capital requirement when they are large and can tear a 
big hole, so if they do crazy, risky things and they lose, they do not 
hurt the rest of the economy. I think it is common sense. Why is that 
debate so scary to my colleagues who are objecting to it tonight?
  This is not about whether the amendment wins. We offered tonight to 
have this vote with our arms tied behind our back and one leg. What do 
I mean by that? We offered to have this vote tonight with a 60-vote 
requirement, even though a number of Democratic Senators are missing--a 
supermajority requirement so that we can have a debate on Main Street 
about Main Street, about Main Street working better. But Wall Street 
asked colleagues to block this debate. That is wrong.
  The third part of this amendment says we need integrity in writing 
securities. This is the superb work of my colleague, Senator Levin. I 
know he will expand on it in due course. But here is the thing. A 
system with integrity is good for allocating capital efficiently 
because people want to invest in a system that has integrity. When we 
established the Securities and Exchange Commission to oversee the stock 
world, people gained more faith that the system was not rigged. They 
were more willing to buy stocks and, by that fashion, invest their 
moneys in the companies of America, build those companies. The success 
of those companies was good for our families--our working families--and 
the jobs that went with them.
  But now in securities, we have a very opaque, a very dark market 
where only a few companies have control of the information and people 
do not know what the price point is, and they do not know what the 
details are. We have swaps being written where if you participate in 
it, you do not even know who is on the other side of the deal. There 
were folks doing deals with middlemen on Wall Street, and they did not 
know who the insurer was. They did not know it was AIG on the other 
side of the deal. When you buy insurance, you want to know who the 
insurer is. They could not get access to that information.
  In securities, here is the thing. Right now, we have companies that 
while they are designing and selling securities also are betting 
against the success of those securities. I must say, that does not 
instill much confidence in the integrity of the system.
  I ask my colleagues, and I ask the citizens of this country: Would 
you like to buy a car from someone who would not tell you whether they 
installed brakes and who was taking out an insurance policy on your 
life; they are betting you are going to get in a wreck? You would say: 
No, I would not want to buy a car from someone who is not telling me if 
they put in the brakes and is taking out a life insurance policy on my 
life. I would be scared to death to buy that car.
  The story goes on. Would you buy a loaf of bread from someone who 
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not tell you what the ingredients were and you do not know if it is a 
good loaf of bread, and they are taking an insurance policy out on your 
life? You would be worried about the ingredients in that bread.
  That is the problem we have in the securities world. It is a very 
simple approach that Senator Levin has laid out in which it calls for 
integrity in securities. If you are designing and selling them, you do 
not bet against them.
  There are all kinds of details that have been put into these three 
parts of the amendment to make them work. Actually, there is nothing in 
this amendment that is very far outside a core set of issues being 
considered. Modern bank holding companies do a lot of things. They do 
wealth management. They do broker dealers in securities and other 
financial products. They do market making where they help bring 
together this group that wants to buy and this group that wants to 
sell. They make loans to power up our families and our small 
businesses. All those functions continue in our bill.
  But amidst that set, there is one thing that is being carved out, and 
that one thing is high-risk investing. When Merrill Lynch blows up, you 
do not want it to take down Bank of America. Two years ago, Merrill 
Lynch blew up. It would not have taken down Bank of America because it 
was not in Bank of America. But it is today. It is a riskier system we 
have today than 2 years ago.
  We should have a debate about this on the floor of the Senate. Bear 
Stearns, 2 years ago, was by itself. But now it is part of JPMorgan 
Chase. If Bear Stearns, 10 years from now, makes investments that go 
awry and it goes down, it blows up a major lender. These types of 
bankruptcies need to not be a situation where they send shock waves and 
paralyze our economy. So common sense: more collateral, if you are a 
huge investor, set by regulators at a rational level with appropriate 
hearings. That high-risk investing, do it under a different roof so if 
it blows up, it does not affect lending, and those securities--a little 
bit of integrity in the marketing of securities.
  These are simple ideas. These are commonsense ideas that will make 
our financial system work better for everyone, making it more feasible 
for our small businesses to gain access to credit, making it more 
feasible for our families to gain access to credit, making it less 
likely that a major disruption in investing is going to freeze up those 
loans and the result is that credit lines are being cut so they cannot 
expand business and cannot hire.
  That is where we are now. We are frozen. In mortgages, we do not have 
a functioning securities market right now. It is important because 
banks make loans and then they sell them on to the market. But they can 
only sell them if the market has somebody to sell to. Right now 
investors are leery, and they should be leery when there are these 
conflicts of interest that the good work my friend from Michigan has 
done addresses.
  This debate should happen. It is wrong for a Senator to object to the 
people of the United States having their day to talk about a financial 
system that works for small businesses and works for families.
  I know my colleague from Michigan is prepared to expand on the work 
he has been doing. At the close of my remarks, I wish to thank many of 
my colleagues who have been immersed in this effort to design a better 
financial system. Senator Dodd and his team on Banking have been 
working night and day looking at every angle to get this amendment 
right. My friends at Treasury--I cannot tell you how many nights they 
have been up working, consulting with folks who are deep in the 
industry, to understand what works and does not to get this right. 
Senator Levin's team and my team have been working so hard in 
consulting and facilitating and writing and rewriting so we could have 
this debate in a responsible way tonight. We did not want to have a 
debate where we had an amendment that was illogical or had rough edges 
that had not been sanded off. We wanted to have a responsible debate.
  We may not have had the votes necessary to adopt the amendment. We do 
not know. That is a mystery. But what we know for sure is that the 
people of America have been shortchanged tonight by some colleagues at 
the request of Wall Street blocking consideration of this amendment, 
and that is not right.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Rhode Island is recognized.
  Mr. REED. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the cloture 
vote on the Dodd-Lincoln substitute amendment No. 3739 occur at 2 p.m., 
Wednesday, May 19; and that Members have until 1 p.m. to file germane 
second-degree amendments.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. REED. Under a previous order, a Shelby amendment No. 4010 and a 
Vitter amendment No. 4003 were ordered to be called up. I would like to 
state for the record that those amendments are still in order to be 
called up and hope that the Record will so reflect.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Record will so reflect.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, months ago, one of the most respected names 
in finance, Paul Volcker, the former Chairman of the Federal Reserve 
Board, made a commonsense proposal to protect taxpayers from the risk- 
taking on Wall Street.
  The essence of the proposal was this: Banks that have an explicit or 
implicit backing from taxpayers, through deposit insurance or 
otherwise, should not be allowed to make investments for their own 
profits. Banks can do one or the other, but not both.
  The goal of the proposal is clear: We will not let Wall Street 
bankers take advantage of taxpayers to make themselves rich.
  Wall Street should be free to serve their clients, help investors 
save and allow entrepreneurs to raise the money they need to grow their 
businesses. But big banks should not be taking exaggerated risks that 
benefit only themselves and their own pocketbooks.
  Our Wall Street reform bill has a provision that reflects this 
principle. Senators Levin and Merkley have been working for weeks on a 
proposal that makes the tough underlying bill even tougher by giving 
taxpayers additional safeguards.
  Their amendment would stop big banks from high-risk speculation and 
stop them from investing in hedge funds or private-equity funds. It 
would impose tough capital requirements on the biggest firms that pose 
the biggest risks to the financial system.
  And it prohibits the conflicts of interest that allow Wall Street 
firms to bet against the very products they sell to their clients.
  Mr. President, financial instruments and securities trading are 
complex. But this amendment is nothing more than simple common sense.
  It stops Wall Street from gambling away other people's money with 
little risk and large reward. It rejects the rules in place today--
which are the same rules that were in place when our economy nearly 
collapsed--rules that let big banks take home their winnings but ask 
for all us to cover the loses. And it says to those who game the 
system: the game is over.
  If Republicans are serious about learning from the mistakes of the 
past, they'll join us. If they agree that protecting middle-class 
consumers, safeguarding families' savings and protecting seniors' 
pensions is more important than carrying water for Wall Street 
millionaires, they'll join us. If they don't, it will be clear to the 
American people who's on their side, and who isn't.
  And even if--in spite of all the evidence to the contrary--they still 
disagree that taxpayers shouldn't be on the hook for big banks' bad 
bets, I ask them to at least let us have a vote on this amendment, and 
let the majority rule.
  The Levin-Merkley amendment and this larger bill will help prevent 
future financial crises. They will guarantee taxpayers that they won't 
ever again be asked to bail out a out bank that doesn't want to take 
responsibility for its own mistakes. And they will make sure the 
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the last several years does not get worse, and never happens again.
  Mr. INOUYE. Mr. President, the financial reform bill before the 
Senate includes a section, subtitle J, section 991, that would permit 
the Securities and Exchange Commission, SEC, to be ``self-funded,'' 
meaning that the SEC would set its own budget and collect the 
subsequent fees from the companies the agency regulates. The effect of 
this action would be to remove a critical oversight role for the 
Appropriations Committee.
  Currently, Congress sets the amount to be collected and the SEC 
adjusts their fees during the year accordingly. The provision included 
in S. 3217 allows the SEC to both set the fee level and adjust the fees 
accordingly, basically creating a carte blanche approach to SEC 
budgeting.
  I, along with eight of my colleagues, including the vice chairman of 
the Appropriations Committee, Senator Cochran, the chairman and ranking 
member of the subcommittee with oversight responsibilities for the SEC, 
Senators Durbin and Collins, along with Senators Byrd, Harkin, 
Voinovich, Murkowski, and Brownback, have introduced a bipartisan 
amendment to strike the provision from the underlying bill.
  No one disputes the fine job Chairperson Mary Schapiro has done since 
taking the helm of the SEC. But the foundation of our government is 
based on checks and balances, not personalities. Agencies should not be 
given sole authority to negotiate the fees that support their 
operations with the very institutions over which they regulate. Such a 
situation allows for absolutely no meaningful oversight by Congress.
  However, if Congress is going to concede to the SEC absolute control 
of its billion-dollar budget, then the agency must have effective 
internal controls in place. Unfortunately, that is not the case. The 
Government Accountability Office has faulted the SEC several times in 
the past for weaknesses in this very area.
  So the underlying provision will exempt an agency from the 
appropriations process and its annual congressional oversight without 
ensuring that any internal controls are in place for revenue and budget 
management. While it may not be the intent of the underlying provision, 
what is clear is that spending for the SEC would go unmonitored.
  The amendment I and my colleagues introduced would strike section 991 
from the bill, and thus restore the existing fee-based system for the 
SEC. The existing fee-based system is a successful model that has the 
annual appropriations bill both trigger the collection of the fees and 
determine the amount that can be spent. This model is used for other 
fee-based agencies such as the Federal Communications Commission, the 
Federal Trade Commission, the Patents and Trademark Office, and parts 
of the Federal Drug Administration.
  It is clear that the House of Representatives does not support the 
approach included in the underlying Senate bill as they did not include 
a provision for the SEC to be self-funded in their legislation. I have 
spoken with my fellow cosponsors of this amendment, and we have agreed 
not to offer this amendment during the current debate. We take this 
action in support of the managers' and leaderships' interest in 
wrapping up floor consideration of the measure and because it is clear 
that this issue will be resolved appropriately during the conference 
negotiations on this bill.

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