[Congressional Record (Bound Edition), Volume 155 (2009), Part 9]
[House]
[Pages 12224-12228]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]




                            CARBON POLLUTION

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of 
January 6, 2009, the gentleman from Oregon (Mr. Blumenauer) is 
recognized for 60 minutes as the designee of the majority leader.
  Mr. BLUMENAUER. Mr. Speaker, in every great problem there is a great 
opportunity. We are now facing the most severe economic crisis in a 
generation. At the same time, the scientists are telling us clearly 
that our inaction dealing with carbon pollution is threatening the 
planet that is our only home. Fortunately, the same actions that will 
fix the economy will also help save the planet. In an economic 
downturn, we want to put people to work and help them manage costs. 
Energy efficiency does both and reduces carbon emissions at the same 
time.
  The United States finally shook off the great economic depression of 
the thirties by mobilizing the economy to fight World War II. We can 
fight off this recession, deep as it is, by mobilizing our fight 
against global warming.
  Mr. Speaker, President Obama, from the rostrum before you, laid out 
an ambitious agenda in his first speech to the Members of Congress, 
recognizing that as Americans we can do great things when we come 
together to work for the common good, as we did dealing with the 
challenges of World War II and the Great Depression.
  The President has presented us with a clean energy jobs plan, a plan 
that will create new jobs that can't be shipped overseas, a proposal 
that will protect existing jobs while it reduces our dependence on 
foreign oil. It will avoid tax increases on working families as we all 
work to reduce carbon pollution. This plan starts by regulating carbon 
polluters and making them pay for the pollution that they've been 
allowed to spew out for free into the sky, damaging the atmosphere and 
threatening the water and land without regard to the cost to the rest 
of us.
  Then the President's plan will create new jobs through research and 
development and deployment of new clean energy technologies such as 
wind, solar and biomass. It is exciting to see in the President's 
economic recovery package that we have already taken decisive action, 
investing billions of dollars across America to do something about it.
  His plan further provides the support and the incentives needed to 
help the American spirit of innovation and creativity to build the new 
clean technologies of the future. Just as we led the world in 
developing the automobile and the computer, we can, and if we follow 
the plans that have been set forth that have been articulated by 
President Obama and the Democratic leadership, we will be able to lead 
the world in developing the new cheaper, cleaner energy technologies 
that will power this century in America and around the world.
  These new technologies are already resulting in clean energy jobs 
that are forming the basis of our new economic security. Change is 
difficult under the best of circumstances, but I think there is growing 
recognition at this point that we have no choice. But we want to be 
thinking about the future, not planning the economy through the rear-
view mirror.
  The proposals that we are working on will provide all Americans with 
clean energy tax credits so that they will have money to buy clean 
energy technologies so that they personally can join in America's clean 
energy future. This will allow them to be stewards of the family budget 
while we are all stewards of the planet. In this way, the actions of 
millions of Americans to reduce their energy bills and to protect the 
planet will create even more jobs and lead to that prosperity that is 
so important to us all.
  There are any number of examples, Mr. Speaker, about how what we have 
already done in energy efficiency has made a difference. Researchers at 
the University of California calculate that the gas and electric energy 
efficiency measures for the past 30 years in California have saved the 
residents of that State $56 billion while producing 1.5 million new 
jobs.
  They have projected that the savings in jobs for meeting California's 
new carbon cap-and-trade law, and by projecting it forward just to the 
year 2020, that Californians will save an additional $76 billion in 
energy costs just at current rates. And I heard my good friend from 
South Carolina on the floor just a few minutes ago predicting that 
energy costs are going to be going up. I personally agree with him, I 
think he is right. But even at current rates, Californians would save 
$76 billion and create an additional 400,000 new net jobs.
  I'm from the Pacific Northwest, where we've been working very hard on 
energy efficiency over the course of almost 30 years. My hometown of 
Portland, Oregon, was the first city in the United States with a 
comprehensive energy policy that has made a difference for us in terms 
of saving money on energy, while we've created new economic 
opportunities and have reduced our carbon footprint.
  In the Pacific Northwest, our Power Planning Council has estimated 
the work that we've done just in the Northwest alone between 1980 and 
2000, where we invested almost $2.5 billion in energy efficiency, our 
region earned that total investment back about once every 18 months. 
This is a rate of return of about 67 percent, annual rate of return on 
investment. An extraordinary record when we think about how our 401(k)s 
are turning into 301(k)s and 201(k)s. Watch the gyrations in the stock 
market and uncertainty in housing prices. Looking at what has happened 
with a very solid year-in, year-out rate of return on energy efficiency 
is truly encouraging and inspirational.
  Mr. Speaker, the time to act is now. We have heard the warnings from 
the vast majority of scientists developing a consensus about the 
threats to the planet. We are already feeling the effects of changing 
climate as we watch large quantities of polar ice disappear, as we 
watch snowpacks rise, when we watch the shift of patterns of migration 
of birds, where the permafrost in Alaska is no longer perma, and the 
roads are buckling and coastal villages washing away.
  The realities of climate change effects are being visited upon 
Americans across this country in all 50 States, and they are gathering 
momentum in terms of a sense of urgency and public awareness. We are 
watching groups in the evangelical arena, scientific arena, civic 
organizations, American business, labor, environmental organizations 
coming together to be part of this consensus. Leadership is being 
exhibited on college campuses and at synagogues across the country. 
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made the decision that they weren't going to wait for the Bush 
administration; they were starting ahead with their own efforts to 
reduce pollution from carbon.
  Well, we ignored the warnings of experts, for example, with the risks 
in the financial sector and, sadly, we've seen the consequences. We 
have learned the dangers and added costs of trying to move after the 
fact, after a disaster or after some sort of natural catastrophe 
occurs. It is very expensive cleaning up after Katrina, after flooding, 
after wildfires, as opposed to taking action to try and prevent it.
  We, once again, need to act as good stewards of the Earth, protecting 
our children and grandchildren. We must remember that there will be 
great costs associated with dealing with impacts once they have 
occurred. Mr. Speaker, Mother Nature doesn't do bailouts.
  We need to focus on the big picture. The economy is the task at hand. 
The next step to create millions of American jobs in renewable energy, 
energy efficiency, and modernization of a smart electric grid is going 
to make a difference now. Clean energy can provide an engine to drive 
the Nation out of a recession and sustain our economy for years to 
come.
  It is time for us to step forward, investing seriously in energy 
innovation. We invest about one-tenth of 1 percent of our annual energy 
bill in research. It is absolutely ludicrous to have an area that is so 
central to our economy and our way of life, where we see costs 
escalating around the globe, and that we have neglected to invest in 
ways to drive technological innovation. Luckily, as part of the 
economic recovery package and legislation that is working its way 
through the House and the Senate, we will be addressing this issue of 
greater investment in innovation.
  I see I have been joined by my colleague from the great State of 
Washington, Congressman Inslee, who has focused a great deal of time 
and attention on this question of innovation as it relates to energy. 
He has sponsored legislation in this regard. He has been a champion in 
speaking out in forums large and small around the country and is hard 
at work now on the Commerce Committee in the formulation of legislation 
that will codify these opportunities and bring them to fruition.
  I am pleased to yield to my friend if he would care to share some of 
his thoughts in this area.
  Mr. INSLEE. Well, I come to the floor with some good news tonight, 
and that is that the Energy and Commerce Committee will be working to 
produce a bill starting either late this week or early next week to 
really jump-start President Obama's vision for a transition to a clean 
energy future for the country.

                              {time}  2030

  And we reached today some very important milestones to reach 
consensus in our committee to move this vision forward. And I'm very 
optimistic about that, contentious as this is, for a couple of reasons. 
One, I just was being briefed by some findings about what Americans' 
beliefs are about this issue from a fellow named Mark Mellman, who 
basically looks and asks questions of people and what they think of 
America. And it was amazing how optimistic Americans are and how much 
they embrace this idea that we can innovate and create millions of new, 
clean energy jobs. In fact, the research showed that by two-to-one 
margins, over two-to-one margins, Americans believe that if we act in 
Congress to promote the creation of clean energy technology, to do the 
research and development to create these high-tech, energy-efficient 
sources of energy, if we create limits on the amount of pollution that 
polluters can put in the air, by two-to-one margins, Americans believe 
this will create jobs, clean energy jobs. And that fundamental belief 
is the thing that will allow the U.S. Congress this year to pass a bill 
to move us down the clean energy future.
  And I would suggest there's a reason Americans believe by two-to-one 
margins that action on clean energy will create jobs, and that is that 
we're the most innovative, creative, dynamic, entrepreneurial society 
ever. And with all due respect to the Egyptians and the Romans, we are 
the most innovative society, and I think that this optimistic view by 
two to one that we can create jobs by moving forward in clean energy, 
it's really consistent with the American character. That's the first 
reason.
  The second reason I feel excited tonight about the Commerce 
Committee's now advancing President Obama's clean energy vision is the 
same things that I've seen happen. I went home to Seattle, the Seattle 
region where I represent, and I just met such exciting people in the 
State of Washington who are creating these new jobs today.
  Yesterday, I went to a company called MacDonald-Miller, a company in 
Seattle, and they install heating and cooling equipment and energy 
efficiency equipment. And a few years ago, they started to try to 
figure out how can they boost their sales. They were having some tough 
times. They actually went through a restructuring, and they asked 
themselves, how can we boost our sales and build our company? And they 
decided to really pursue energy efficiency. And they decided to build a 
model, a business model, around selling efficiency services, and they 
showed me one thing they're doing. It's pretty amazing.
  It seems so simple, but they are employing hundreds of people at this 
company by selling a product that will simply adjust your thermostat. 
If you've got an office building, it will adjust the thermostat 
dependent on the outside air temperature. And what they found is, and I 
know this sounds simple, but what they found is that people's comfort 
level varies on the outside temperature. So they might want it at 73 on 
a hot day, but they're comfortable at maybe 69 or 70 on a cold day. So 
they found out people's comfort level varies; so they basically are 
selling a product that will adjust the temperature of the office 
building to be consistent with that comfort level depending on the 
outside temperature. And they had an average reduction of energy of, I 
think, about 12 percent when they did that. And that's astronomic.
  I mean, if you reduced everybody's energy 12 percent in your 
buildings, it would be incredible in your heating and cooling expenses. 
But most importantly, by doing that, they're creating jobs and wealth, 
and their sales have gone up dramatically in the last 4 or 5 years 
because they are adopting that strategy.
  So what we are doing here in Congress in this bill, we will be 
adopting a provision that will call for Americans to have a higher 
level of renewable energy, 15 percent, and an additional 5 percent of 
efficiency gains that will help boost these companies that are now 
hiring so many people around the country.
  Another company in my area called McKinstry, President Obama 
mentioned them when we were at the White House last week. They have 
similarly sold efficiency services.
  So everywhere you look, you can find opportunities for this job 
creation. But what these companies need are policies that will level 
the playing field, because right now our policies just favor some of 
the older industries, and now we need some policies that will really 
level the playing field and allow this transition to take place.
  Now, in this bill where we're going to be doing it, there are some 
costs associated, of course, as there always are. We don't usually 
expect something for nothing. But in our bill it's the polluters and 
the polluters' industries that will pay. They will be the ones that 
will be required to purchase and pay for permits associated with this 
pollution. And, generally, I think it's fairly well understood that in 
a society that favors responsibility, it ought to be the polluters who 
are responsible for costs, not citizens. In fact, there will be some 
assistance to citizens with their utility bills associated with this 
project.
  So the good news that I'm hearing from across the country is 
Americans believe that we will create jobs if we act on clean energy, 
number one. And, number two, I'm seeing with my own eyes my 
constituents getting hired in these new emerging industries.

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  I went to the 3 Tier Corporation the other day. They essentially 
manage electricity in large corporations, manage server farms and 
manage the like, and they're hiring people. The AltaRock Company is 
doing engineered geothermal in the North Seattle area. That's where you 
poke a hole down, you pump water down it, it comes up hot, you make 
steam and generate electricity.
  I went to a company called Ausra Engineering. It's a marine 
architecture firm in Seattle. You don't normally associate marine 
architectural firms with job creation and clean energy, but they are 
potentially working on platforms to build floating platforms for 
offshore wind turbines, and they are in the preliminary work of looking 
at particular designs to do that because we have enormous capacity for 
wind off of our shorelines.
  So the basic American belief in the innovative spirit of the country 
is now being matched by these real businesses in real time, hiring real 
people with real paychecks, and that's what this bill is going to do 
that we are going to pass here out of the committee hopefully late next 
week to really jump-start, kick-start this job creation.
  So I appreciate the gentleman's letting me join him in this 
discussion.
  Mr. BLUMENAUER. I, likewise, appreciate your comments and 
observations and bringing it down to real-life examples.
  One of the nice things about being a Member of Congress is that we 
have a chance to see these products emerge. We have a chance to hear. 
We both serve on the Global Warming and Energy Independence Committee 
that the Speaker has set up, and for 30 months we have seen a parade of 
witnesses come before us with new and emerging technologies in wind and 
solar and transportation that are already putting Americans to work 
while they're working to save Americans money. But that is just, I 
think, a hint of what we can do in the future.
  I'm watching in my hometown of Portland, Oregon, where we 
reintroduced a modern streetcar to the landscape. We just received 
approval from the Obama administration to move forward with a streetcar 
extension that's going to not only create nearly 1,300 jobs for 
construction and not only will we be manufacturing the first streetcar 
built in America in 58 years, but I know in your area in the Puget 
Sound you already have the South Lake Union Trolly that is in 
operation. You're looking to expand that. Every one of these projects 
not only represents an economic opportunity, but it dramatically 
changes the carbon footprint.
  Servicing 240 units along a trolly line instead of a suburban 
subdivision is a million pounds of carbon a year that is saved. A trip 
not taken. Being able to extend things like modern streetcars to 
communities large and small across America, like they were a hundred 
years ago, provides an opportunity for thousands of construction jobs, 
changing the carbon footprint, changing the technological and 
manufacturing advances in ways that are going to affect millions of 
lives.
  It is so important for us to be thinking about that big picture 
because we are exporting overseas over a billion dollars a day for oil 
and we're watching that probably starting up again. Last year it was 
$700 billion that was lost. And this is money that is taken out of our 
economy. In my community, the difference between just the fact that we 
drive 20 percent less keeps $800 million a year circulating in that 
local economy that isn't sent to Venezuela or to Saudi Arabia.
  Mr. INSLEE. Will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. BLUMENAUER. I will be happy to.
  Mr. INSLEE. I think that's a very important point is that the 
portfolio of these new renewable energy sources that are going to 
provide the electricity for both our toasters and for these train 
systems that Mr. Blumenauer talked about, when you generate this 
electricity using renewable sources, it's, by necessity, a domestic 
product. If you are using renewable energy to generate your 
electricity, you know you're using an all-American energy source, 
because that means the wind is right in eastern Washington or eastern 
Oregon.
  By the way, Washington just had the biggest wind farm in America, 
became the largest producer of wind power in the world last year. There 
are actually as many people working in the wind power industry today as 
the coal mining industry. We're rapidly increasing the number of jobs, 
but we are using domestic energy when we use wind power.
  I went to a company in Tri-Cities, Washington, a couple of months 
ago. The Infinia Company has developed a sterling engine. It's a solar 
energy system using a sterling engine, and that's a system where you 
have these concave dishes that look like large satellite dishes and 
they concentrate the sun's energy on a little engine about the size of 
a couple of pop cans, and that turns out pressure differences into 
mechanical energy and generates electricity. Now, when you use the 
Infinia system, you are getting a job creation in the Northwest, in 
Washington State, and you are using a domestic supply of energy, namely 
the sunshine that's falling on us right now.
  Mr. BLUMENAUER. May I just elaborate on that point. I think that is a 
very important point to make, that this is 100 percent American energy, 
but also in terms of what happens with the net economic impact. There 
are some who claim that, well, we should deal with the fossil fuels, 
the oil and coal, because they create jobs. Well, they do create jobs, 
but I think the evidence is clear that the investment in the 
alternative energies of the future that you're talking about, in wind 
and solar, the clean energy economy creates about four times the jobs 
for each million dollars invested as in the traditional fossil fuels. 
And when you consider that we are also avoiding some of the most 
negative consequences of burning dirty coal on the health of 
individuals and of the larger ecosystem, it is a multiple benefit to 
the economy and the environment.
  You know, on the floor, and this was incredible to me, last week I 
heard my Republican friends being upset that the Speaker, with the 
initiative to green the Capitol, had replaced dirty coal with natural 
gas, which has half the carbon emissions. It doesn't have the other 
problems in terms of sulfur dioxide, in terms of carbon monoxide.

                              {time}  2045

  The Capitol Heating Plant was the number one source of pollution in 
our Nation's Capital, threatening the lives and health of people who 
work around the capitol. Children in our schools and the opponents of 
responsible action for a clean economy were saying that was somehow an 
attack on coal.
  Mr. INSLEE. I think it's really important you have brought up the 
issue of coal. I think it's very important to note that when this bill 
comes out of our committee, it comes to the floor of the House. It is 
not going to ignore the potential of coal to remain part of our energy 
future.
  We have huge amounts of coal reserves in this country that could 
power us for hundreds of years. But we need to find a way to burn it 
more cleanly, to take the carbon dioxide, which is now going into the 
atmosphere and making our oceans more acidic and contributing to global 
warming, to take that carbon dioxide and bury it in the Earth for 
10,000 years so it's not going to be a problem. Now, in our bill we are 
not ignoring that issue. We are, in fact, contributing about a billion 
dollars a year in an effort to find a way to bury that carbon dioxide 
so we can continue to use coal.
  Now, this is an important point, because we feel that we all need to 
move together, including the regions of the country that are very 
heavily coal dependent, and we intend to have a very well-balanced 
research program where we don't favor any one energy source. We are 
going to be doing work on solar, we are going to be doing work on wind, 
we are going to be doing work on geothermal, and we are going to be 
doing work to find a way, hopefully, to sequester carbon dioxide when 
it comes out of the coal-fired plants.
  So I think that's an important point that all areas of the country 
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going to have some benefit to find ways to use their energy sources.
  Mr. BLUMENAUER. I appreciate your clarification of that. As it stands 
now, the way that we are using coal indiscriminately, not dealing with 
the consequences of not just the carbon pollution, but, frankly, there 
are other pollutants that we have been struggling with for years 
because of the hazards to human health and to the environment, but the 
willingness to focus on ways to truly try and make it possible to use 
coal in a way that is environmentally sensitive. I think it's very 
important. It is important not just because the United States has vast 
amounts of coal, but it would be nice if we could use them in a way 
that was safe and environmentally sound; but we are also facing a 
situation where there is still heavy reliance on coal in China, in 
India.
  We, in the Pacific Northwest, are breathing Chinese coal pollution in 
the Puget Sound area, in metropolitan Portland every day. So your work 
on the Commerce Committee, to be able to have some resources to try and 
move this research forward dealing with ways to truly make it 
environmentally benign, I think it's very important, establishing 
standards and sticking by them.
  I will be coming to the floor soon to talk about another methodology 
that has been employed in the past, which is an underground 
gasification process, where you never bring the coal to the surface, 
that the process of conversion takes place in the actual coal seam. 
There are projects under way right now in Wyoming. It was actually a 
technology that was developed by Nazi Germany and in the Soviet Union 
in an earlier era dealing with gasification of coal, but has tremendous 
potential for being able to use coal in a way that is environmentally 
responsible.
  I appreciate the work that is being done to help advance these 
technologies and others.
  Mr. INSLEE. You mentioned China, or meant to, one of the two. I 
wanted to comment on this too.
  We are also, in this bill, dealing with, when we are advancing clean 
energy, we want to make sure we don't lose jobs in competition for some 
of these other countries, even if they don't move as rapidly as we do 
and try to move away from this pollution of CO2.
  And one of the things we are going to have in our bill is a provision 
that will protect our jobs and protect our industries against job 
leakage going overseas to countries that may not have some 
CO2 regime to reduce pollution. We have now reached 
agreement, essentially, that we will essentially have a cushion for 
industry-intensive industries--steel, aluminum, cement--a cushion so 
they will be insulated from increases in energy costs associated with 
this so that we won't lose jobs, having these plants move to China or 
India or some other country that may not have a regulation on 
CO2 as we do. This is a very important resolution.
  I worked with Mike Doyle, a Representative from Pittsburgh, on this, 
and we can now legitimately tell folks in these industries that we have 
this protection against job leakage. And it is a message, an important 
message, to countries around the world that all countries are going to 
have to enter into some action plan to reduce carbon dioxide.
  We know we can't solve this problem without China's participation, 
and that's why in this bill we will also have a provision that in the 
event there is not progress made, that there could be trade adjustment 
at the border for imports from China if, in fact, China is unable to 
move forward with this. Now, we hope it will succeed on that and that 
won't be necessary.
  But the point is we are designing a bill that will capture the 
innovation, allow us to make the electric car here rather than China, 
and not lose jobs in the steel industry. And I think we have designed a 
bill that's going to accomplish that.
  Mr. BLUMENAUER. We are following, on the Ways and Means, these 
provisions, closely. We are looking forward to having the bill out of 
your committee and on to our jurisdiction, one of the areas that Ways 
and Means jurisdiction deals with trade provisions. And we are quite 
confident that we can work with you in this area to make sure that 
people are not able to export their carbon pollution overseas or that 
other countries can import their carbon pollution into the United 
States.
  I am looking forward to seeing the refinement that comes from your 
committee and working with my colleagues on Ways and Means to make sure 
that there are strong border protection provisions to make sure this is 
neutral. It is not anti-trade; it is not pro-trade. It is simply 
preserving the integrity of the carbon pollution regulation, and I am 
quite confident that these tools can be employed to accomplish 
precisely that.
  Mr. INSLEE. I think, too, when we think about this clean energy 
future, it has to be in relationship with what other countries are 
doing as well. And when we pass this bill next year, it is going to be 
because we believe we are not going to cede these markets to countries 
who could steal these markets from us.
  You know, we are in a race right now to see who is going to be 
dominant making electric cars and electric batteries. China has an 
interest in doing that, and they are making enormous investments to do 
that.
  We are in a race today to decide who is going to dominate the solar-
power industry. China is making enormous investments in their solar 
cells. In fact, I met a fellow from, I believe it was from, Indiana who 
had a solar cell manufacturing plant. And he had a guy walk in from 
China and plunk down $300 million and try to get him to move his plant 
to China, lock, stock and barrel.
  And the fellow said, I am a red, white, and blue American, and I am 
not leaving. But that's what we are up against, and that's one of the 
reasons we intend to take an aggressive position here with research and 
development dollars, with limits on CO2 that will spur 
investment and kick start the businesses here that we need so we can 
regain these markets.
  You know, we invented solar energy in this country, but the Germans 
sort of commercialized it because they saw this a little before we did. 
We need to get in that game today and see to it that the companies like 
Infinia Companies and Nanosolar that's doing thin-cell photovoltaics 
and Bright Source.
  By the way, I want to mention this one source of solar energy that 
people may not have heard about, the Bright Source Company and the 
Ausra Energy Company, two companies doing what's called concentrated 
solar power. What they do is they use mirrors in various fashions to 
concentrate radiant energy, heat up a liquid, make steam and then 
create electricity from it with zero pollution associated with it.
  Bright Source has now signed contracts for thousands of megawatts of 
crystal pure solar energy in various places in the United States, and 
it would surprise you, it's not just Nevada. They have places in the 
Southeast where they can do this as well.
  And it is this type of technological breakthrough that if we put our 
minds to it and pass this bill, we are going to jump-start jobs in this 
country.
  Mr. BLUMENAUER. I appreciate the context that you have provided, and 
your unrelenting interest in understanding and acknowledging and 
advancing American technology, but, sadly, we are not--you mentioned 
having fallen behind the Germans, for example, in technologies that we 
developed in terms of the commercial application.
  China is spending six times more than we spend on clean energy, $12.5 
million every hour of Chinese expenditure. We can't afford to be 
complacent about this. We need a sense of urgency.
  While we are pleased with what's happening in the Pacific Northwest, 
you referenced the large wind farm in southeastern Washington. 
Portland, Oregon, is competing with Denver and Houston to be the wind 
energy capital and a couple of international companies have located 
their American headquarters there. And there are many technologies that 
we helped initiate, but we are falling behind.
  We rank below Spain, Denmark and Portugal in the use of wind power. 
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watched what happened where little Denmark, what, about the size of the 
State of Washington, set its sight on being a wind energy leader, being 
the wind energy leader 30 years ago and have accomplished amazing 
feats, both in terms of their own energy production and the dominance 
of world wind energy activity, that one of those leading companies I 
mentioned that has its American headquarters in Portland, is Vestas, a 
Danish company.
  So we watch what countries that we think are less developed than in 
the United States, like the Chinese, or small countries, like Denmark, 
really making significant advancement and putting the pressure on us to 
step up and do what we know we can do.
  Mr. INSLEE. The gentleman has mentioned wind. Some people think of 
wind as kind of a toy you get under a Christmas tree or something. In 
fact, wind energy, according to the Department of Energy, and this was 
under the previous President's Department of Energy, concluded that we 
could have 20 percent of all of our electricity generated by wind in 
the next couple of decades, just using existing technology.
  Now, we believe there are going to be some advances in technology. We 
think there is a good shot at having good storage. One of the issues of 
wind, of course, is the wind doesn't blow all the time. It's an 
intermittent source. So there is two ways to get around that problem: 
one, have multiple wind sites that are tied together in an advanced 
transmission grid so if the wind is not blowing in one place, it will 
be blowing in another; or to have a storage system.
  And I have talked to these companies now that are developing 
batteries that are as large as a semi-trailer, and these now have the 
potential of actually being grid connected to store wind and solar when 
we have excess power generation. So we think there is a reasonable 
chance to get to 20 percent, which is very significant, just on one 
technology alone. Then we have so many options, of course, including 
efficiency, which can be done everywhere, day or night.
  Mr. BLUMENAUER. And even problems of the intermittency dealing with 
wind energy, if it is coupled with other areas of innovation, like 
plug-in hybrids and using storage capacity in vehicles to be able to 
help balance some of the loads, we have tremendous opportunities to 
have these work together.
  I must say, we are both from the Pacific Northwest, the issue of wind 
integration and how we are going to do that is something that is 
looming large on my agenda. I know you are concerned. We have our 
regional power marketing authority, the Bonneville Power 
Administration, which has been a leader in helping facilitate wind 
energy, but now it's looking at really rather dramatic cost increases 
for wind integration, which I am hopeful that we can look at very hard 
and help them find ways to not provide disincentives for wind energy 
production right at the point where all of the incentives that we have 
put in place are starting to kick in.

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  It would be unfortunate if somehow they are priced out of the market 
at just the time we want to engage them.
  Mr. INSLEE. We appreciate the gentleman's leadership on that. I want 
to thank you. I must excuse myself, but I want to thank Mr. Blumenauer 
for being such a stalwart champion of these causes. We know there's 
going to be thousands of jobs created in this clean energy revolution, 
and I hope a lot of them are going to be in Oregon, which is a great 
State.
  Thank you for letting me join you, Mr. Blumenauer.
  Mr. BLUMENAUER. Thank you, Congressman Inslee, for joining us, and 
for your leadership and comments.
  Mr. Speaker, I hope that this Chamber will be able to reject the 
arguments of people who are looking at the smallest possible elements 
of the puzzle; people who are seeking to politicize it for short-term 
electoral gain at the expense of the long-term interests of our 
children.
  I, frankly, have been embarrassed by some of the argumentation that 
we have heard; the misrepresentation of just basic factual information.
  One of the things that we are hearing, sadly, from Republican 
leadership, is consistent misrepresentation, for instance, of the MIT 
study that you will hear referred to. The St. Petersburg Times had an 
editorial of late saying, ``The GOP is full of hot air about Obama's 
light-switch tax. If the Republicans had simply misstated the results 
of the MIT study, the Truth-O-Meter would have been content giving this 
one a False. But for them to keep repeating the claim after the author 
of the study told them it was wrong means we have to set the meter 
ablaze. Pants on Fire,'' was their evaluation.
  In the Wall Street Journal: ``For starters, the figures cited by 
Republican House leadership is almost 10 times higher than the cost 
estimate provided in the study'' by Professor Reilly of MIT.
  The Boston Globe: ``One particular issue is Republicans' assertion 
that a cap-and-trade system on greenhouse gases would mean a `light 
switch tax.' `It's just wrong,' Reilly said. `Wrong in so many ways, 
it's hard to begin.' ''
  I would hope, particularly when we still have not had the actual 
provisions of the legislation put in place, for people to make wild 
misrepresentations about costs and consequences does a disservice to 
what is one of the most important debates of our generation.
  Being able to protect the planet, to restore our economy, to regain 
our position of technological leadership, and be able to put us on the 
path of sustainability environmentally and economically for the future, 
the stakes are too high to have misrepresentation, to have an inability 
for people to engage in reasonable discussion.
  I know the Republican leader has said that his members shouldn't be 
legislators; they should be communicators. They should be talkers 
instead of doers. I hope--I fervently hope--that many of our colleagues 
on the other side of the aisle will reject the leadership's marching 
orders to politicize, to talk, and to not engage; but, instead, to deal 
with the facts; instead, deal with opportunities to restore our 
economy; to create millions of clean energy jobs--some in a whole new 
industry; that we take important steps to reduce the tragic dependence 
on imported oil.
  Even if we weren't concerned about the pollution, even if we weren't 
concerned about global warming and the damage that is attendant 
thereto, just in terms of the strategic interests of the United States, 
we should stop wasting more oil than anyone in the world. We should 
stop using more oil per capita for transportation than anybody in the 
world. We should reduce our strategic vulnerability to actions of 
people who don't like us very much in unstable or hostile parts of the 
world. And, of course, the damage that is done to our economy by 
shipping over a billion dollars a day overseas.
  I'm hopeful that we will be able to reduce the carbon pollution that 
causes global warming, that will enable us to be good stewards of the 
land now, because the effects of global warming are going to cost a lot 
more than the consequences of reducing it.
  As we have discussed this evening, this is in fact an opportunity for 
us to put our economy back on track, create millions of jobs, 
strengthen our strategic position, while we make a contribution to the 
future of humankind.
  Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the opportunity to spend some time this 
evening dealing with this issue. I look forward to continuing the 
discussion about the new technologies, about the facts of science and 
economy on the floor as we prepare to move this legislation forward. 
Thank you.

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