[Congressional Record (Bound Edition), Volume 155 (2009), Part 22]
[Senate]
[Pages 29581-29609]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]




             SERVICE MEMBERS HOME OWNERSHIP TAX ACT OF 2009

  The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tempore. Under the previous order, the 
Senate will resume consideration of H.R. 3590, which the clerk will 
report.
  The legislative clerk read as follows:

       A bill (H.R. 3590) to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 
     1986 to modify the first-time home buyers credit in the cases 
     of members of the Armed Forces and certain other Federal 
     employees, and for other purposes.

  Pending:

       Reid amendment No. 2786, in the nature of a substitute.
       Lincoln amendment No. 2905 (to amendment No. 2786), to 
     modify the limit on excessive remuneration paid by certain 
     health insurance providers to set the limit at the same level 
     as the salary of the President of the United States.
       Ensign amendment No. 2927 (to amendment No. 2786), relative 
     to limitation on amount of attorney's contingency fees.

  The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tempore. Under the previous order, the time 
until 3:15 p.m. will be for debate with respect to amendment No. 2905, 
offered by the Senator from Arkansas, Mrs. Lincoln; and amendment No. 
2927, offered by the Senator from Nevada, Mr. Ensign, with the time 
equally divided and controlled, with Senators permitted to speak for up 
to 10 minutes, with the majority controlling the first 60 minutes and 
the Republicans controlling the next 60 minutes.
  The Senator from Florida.
  Mr. NELSON of Florida. Mr. President, I wish to speak on the bill 
and, in part, respond to the minority leader. At the end of the day, 
why are we staying around the clock discussing this bill with the 
intent that we are going to pass the bill? It is simply that we cannot 
continue as we are. We are in a system whereby insurance is not solving 
the Nation's health needs.
  All you have to do is talk to a doctor. If they haven't already 
pulled their hair out, they are about to, in that when they want to 
give a certain treatment to a patient, they feel like they have to 
negotiate with the insurance company. In fact, the insurance company 
often is dictating to them what treatment and what drugs they can or 
cannot use or look at the simple little cases we hear about.
  They are absolutely simple cases but end up with catastrophic results 
because someone is in the middle of a treatment for something and then 
they get a notice that their insurance company is going to cancel them 
or, perhaps, they have lost their job and they are desperately trying 
to get health insurance again and an insurance company uses, as an 
excuse, that they had a preexisting condition. It may be a flimsy 
excuse. I gave the example yesterday of a reason for denial being 
something as silly as a skin rash as a preexisting condition and so 
they can't get health insurance now on their own. We have a system that 
is out of control.
  We hear a lot about cost out here. We hear a lot about cost. Indeed, 
if we don't do something about the cost of health care, none of our 
people are going to be able to afford it. Talk to corporate America and 
the CEOs and listen to them as they describe what the insurance 
companies are saying to them and how they are jacking up their rates on 
their employer-sponsored group policies. Please, pray that you are not 
an individual who can't get a group policy and you are having to go out 
there and try to find an individual policy because the likelihood is 
you are not going to be able to afford it.
  So cost is a critical factor. It is a factor also to the Government 
because the U.S. Government cannot afford the cost of Medicare as it 
keeps exploding into the future. We have to bring these costs under 
control. When you mix that in with the horror stories that we hear of 
the 46 million people who don't have health insurance but who, when 
they get sick, end up in the emergency room, we know they are getting 
that care at the most expensive place while the rest of us pay. That is 
a hidden tax.
  On average, in this Nation, that hidden tax is $1,000 per family's 
health insurance policy. I can tell you, in my State of Florida it is 
even higher. It is $1,400. In Florida, a family with a group insurance 
policy is paying $1,400 more per year to take care of those folks who 
do not have insurance but end up getting sick, and that bill is paid by 
everybody else.
  What I have described is a system that is in tilt. It is not working. 
The whole purpose of this bill is to try to make it work so, No. 1, it 
is affordable; No. 2, that health insurance is available. At the end of 
the day, we are going to pass it. At the end of the day, poor old Harry 
Reid, our majority leader, is going to figure out a way to get 60 of us 
to come down here to shut off the filibuster so we can go to final 
passage and get it down to a conference committee in the House. At the 
end of the day, after that conference committee comes back, we are 
going to get those 60 votes again because this is so desperately 
needed, despite all the supposed arguments we hear from the other side.
  Can this product be improved? Of course it can. I certainly wish to 
share, as I did in the Finance Committee, an amendment that would cause 
the pharmaceutical industry to come up with some more money.
  They have made a pledge, to their credit. Let me just say that Billy 
Tauzin, the head of the pharmaceutical association, is smart. He knows 
what he is doing, and he is trying to play ball with the leadership and 
the White House. I want the pharmaceutical industry to know this 
Senator appreciates that because with everybody else, such as the 
insurance industry, trying to kill it deader than a doornail, at least 
they are helping. But the pharmaceutical industry said they were coming 
forth with $80 billion over 10 years that they were going to 
contribute. The hospital industry said they were going to contribute 
about $150 billion over 10 years, and so forth. But, in fact, the 
pharmaceutical industry is not contributing $80 billion.
  Here is a Morgan Stanley analysis for investors of pharmaceutical 
stocks. This is their analysis of what is going to happen to the 
pharmaceutical industry in the future. Morgan Stanley has said these 
guys are so smart, they are not contributing $80 billion. They are 
contributing only $22 billion. Why? Because when they say they are 
going to contribute discounts to allow half of this so-called doughnut 
hole to be filled, that means there is going to be a lot more drugs 
sold.
  Oh, by the way, the bill takes Medicaid from 100 percent to 133 
percent. That is going to mean a lot more drugs sold as a result of 
this bill.

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  So the real loss, or contribution, if you will, of the pharmaceutical 
industry is $22 billion over 10 years, not $80 billion. That does not 
even include--remember, they just raised their prices 9 percent, three 
times the rate of inflation. So they are going to make up a lot of that 
anyway.
  What I want to plead with the leadership in the White House and the 
leadership of the pharmaceutical industry--come back to your $80 
billion real figure over 10 years. One way to get there is the 
amendment I offered in the Finance Committee that was rejected on a 
narrow vote of 13 to 10. Out here on the floor it is my intention to 
offer that amendment. I filed it. It would produce, according to the 
CBO, $106 billion of taxpayer fund savings over 10 years because the 
discounts would have to be there for the Medicaid recipients who are 
entitled to discounts, but now, since they buy their drugs through 
Medicare, they can't get those discounts. That is because we changed 
the law 6 years ago in the prescription drug benefit. That is just 
simply not right.
  I am not out here to try to punish anybody. I am out here to try to 
make this work and to get 60 votes so we can go to final passage. But 
everybody has to do their part. Everybody has to contribute for their 
part.
  I look forward to the future discussions as we close in on what 
probably is going to end up being the final passage of this, probably a 
week or 8 days down the road.
  The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tempore. The time of the Senator has 
expired.
  The Senator from Pennsylvania is recognized.
  Mr. SPECTER. Mr. President, the schedulers have allocated 15 minutes 
to me, so I ask unanimous consent at this time that I may speak for up 
to 15 minutes.
  The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tempore. Without objection, it is so 
ordered.
  Mr. SPECTER. Mr. President, I have sought recognition to speak in 
opposition to the Ensign amendment. The authoritative statement on 
attorney's fees has come from the National Association of Insurance 
Commissioners in a 2008 document entitled ``Countrywide Summary of 
Medical Malpractice Insurance.'' These are authoritative figures on how 
much the defense lawyers have taken and how much the plaintiffs' 
lawyers have taken.
  It shows that the plaintiffs' lawyers, on this state of the record, 
are underpaid--paid less than defense lawyers--hardly the cause for an 
amendment to lower attorney's fees even more for plaintiffs' lawyers.
  These are the statistics by the National Association of Insurance 
Commissioners as to the attorney's fees. The attorney's fees for 
defendants were $2.110 billion. The total recovery by plaintiffs was 
$4.09 billion. Calculating attorney's fees at one-third would mean that 
the attorney's fees were, for the plaintiffs' attorneys, $1.340 
billion, substantially under the $2.110 billion for defense attorneys.
  Attorneys who take on cases on a contingent fee do so because, unlike 
insurance companies which have the funds to retain lawyers on an hourly 
basis, most plaintiffs are unable to pay attorney's fees, do not have 
the capital to do so. The arrangement is worked out that the fee will 
be paid by a share of the recovery. If there is no recovery, there is 
no fee. Beyond the absence of the fee, the plaintiffs 
characteristically cannot afford the costs of litigation. When 
depositions are taken or filings are made or various other costs arise, 
it is up to the plaintiff's lawyer to pay those fees and those are not 
reimbursed.
  An effort is being made now to have those deductions on an annual 
basis. The plaintiff's attorney cannot even take them in the year when 
they are paid. So if you see a situation where, in absolute dollars 
plaintiffs' lawyers on contingent fees are paid less than defense 
lawyers, and you have added to that the risk factor that the 
plaintiff's lawyers may get nothing, there should even be a greater 
compensation for plaintiffs' lawyers than defense lawyers. As these 
statistics show, it is less.
  Most of my experience in the courtroom has been as a prosecuting 
attorney, but some experience--I worked for a big law firm, Barnes, 
Dechert, Price, Myers and Rhoads, representing the Pennsylvania 
railroads, defendants, representing insurance companies. In the firm 
practice in that kind of representation, there is frequently a senior 
lawyer, junior lawyer, associate, paralegal, and multiple tiers running 
up the costs.
  Most plaintiffs' lawyers do not have large firms. Many are single 
practitioners. To postulate a situation where the fees be cut even 
further is just not reasonable or not realistic.
  When the contention has been made--it was just made by the Republican 
leader, repeated earlier contentions--that there are Senators who voted 
in favor of the Kennedy bill on liability reform, it is not so as 
represented. First of all, Senator Kennedy's bill in 1995 was a much 
different bill. Second, it was a tabling motion. Those who voted 
against tabling were willing to consider the issue, not that they 
agreed with what was in the bill. Procedurally, when there is a motion 
to table, if it is passed the bill is off the floor. If a motion to 
table is defeated, then the bill remains on the floor for 
consideration. But it does not mean that people who want to consider 
the bill are in agreement the bill ought to be enacted.
  The issue of attorney's fees and the issue of malpractice litigation 
ought to be left to the States in our Federal system. Pennsylvania, my 
State, is illustrative of the way State governments can handle the 
issue and deal with it to avoid excesses. In Pennsylvania there was a 
rule change made to require that before a malpractice suit could be 
brought, there had to be a certification from a doctor that the case 
fell below applicable standards of care. A second major change was made 
which required that the medical malpractice action be brought only in 
the county where the cause of action took place. That was a move aimed 
at eliminating so-called venue shopping, to go to a venue where there 
is likely to be a better result.
  As a consequence of these two rule changes, the number of filings in 
Pennsylvania dropped dramatically. With the comparison of the years 
2000 to 2002, it was noted that the rates dropped by more than 37 
percent in 2003, continued to decline in every succeeding year, and in 
2008 had dropped 41.4 percent.
  The improvement in the picture was further illustrated by the fact 
that the reforms resulted in the reduction of premiums on malpractice 
insurance. These reductions are in sharp contrast to 2002, when one 
leading carrier increased its rates an average of 40 percent and a 
second leading carrier increased its rates by 45 percent. Then the 
rates have been decreased consistently and in ensuing years.
  Other indications in the success of Pennsylvania was the renewed 
interest of companies that want to sell medical malpractice insurance 
in Pennsylvania--57 newly licensed entities are now writing medical 
malpractice coverage since April, 2002. This is illustrative of the way 
the States can deal with this issue. It ought to be left to the States.
  Interestingly, the Senator from Nevada, who has proposed this 
amendment, has filed legislation this year, S. 45, and in S. 45 he has 
a different approach. He allocates for some recoveries up to 40 
percent. Why there is a difference now, cutting it back to 33 percent, 
and then down to 25 percent, is unexplained. But when an amendment of 
this sort is offered on a bill for comprehensive health care reform, it 
is not germane to the issues before the Senate. The standard of being 
germane means whether there is any provision in the bill now which 
relates to this matter.
  Had this really been a serious effort to get legislation, the process 
or recourse to be followed would have been considerably different. The 
way to get legislation enacted is not merely to come before some bill 
and offer it without hearings before the committee of jurisdiction, 
without the consideration of witnesses. There have been no hearings on 
the amendment offered by the Senator from Nevada. Had there been

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hearings we would have been in a position to make a determination as to 
what are the real facts.
  Are the fees collected by plaintiffs' attorneys on a contingent basis 
excessive? What is the reality for the justification, in terms of the 
time it takes and the expenses involved? But no request was made, to my 
knowledge, for a hearing before the Judiciary Committee. I do know that 
no hearing was held. So we do not have a factual basis for making an 
evaluation of this amendment at this time.
  It is my hope that we will move from this amendment and take up the 
issues which are in dispute. We need to eliminate and reject the false 
rumors which have been advanced. The contention has been made that 
there would be death panels as a result of this bill. That has been 
thoroughly debunked. There has been a context that there would be cuts 
in Medicare. We argued an amendment a few days ago on the contention 
that there would be very substantial cuts in Medicare. The AARP opposed 
that amendment because it was fallacious. It was untrue. AARP is an 
outstanding guardian of the interests and rights of senior citizens, 
and AARP opposed that amendment.
  The contention has been made that there will be a government takeover 
of medical care which has also been disputed and pretty well disproved. 
When the government option is offered, it is just that. I believe 
America would be well served by having a robust public option. But the 
option is nothing more or less than what it says. It is one 
alternative. Private insurers would still be in the picture.
  There have been repeated contentions that there will be an increase 
in the deficit. President Obama is pledged not to sign a bill which 
will add to the deficit. I am pledged not to vote for a bill which will 
add to the deficit. When you take a look at what this bill will 
accomplish, there are very substantial savings in the current cost of 
medical care, which is $2.4 trillion. I will be specific in what they 
are. With annual examinations available and incentives for people to 
take annual examinations, they will be catching what could turn out to 
be chronic ailments, very disabling, very expensive. Catching a problem 
with a cardiac issue, with a heart problem, or catching breast cancer 
at an early stage or catching Hodgkin's at an early stage--I speak with 
some experience about this issue--will cut down medical expenses 
tremendously. When there are advance directives, there will also be 
additional savings. This bill provides for counseling for people who 
want to know about advance directives. No one should tell anyone else 
what they ought to do about end-of-life medical care, but it is fair to 
say consider it, make a decision, have a living will, do not leave it 
to the last minute when someone is rushed to the hospital and the 
burden then falls on family members. Estimates range as high as 27 
percent of Medicare costs in the last few days, few weeks of a person's 
life.
  There are also very substantial savings available for changes in 
lifestyle. Safeway has demonstrated lower insurance premiums for people 
who stop smoking, lower insurance premiums for people who have lower 
cholesterol. That is another major area of savings.
  An additional area of savings would be to change the current approach 
of having fines imposed for Medicare.
  I ask unanimous consent for 30 additional seconds.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Bingaman). Without objection, it is so 
ordered.
  Mr. SPECTER. Currently the criminal justice system results most of 
the time in fines for health care fraud. That is totally ineffective. 
But if there were jail sentences imposed, that would be a deterrent to 
others, something I learned years ago as a prosecuting attorney. We can 
also come to terms on the abortion issue, allowing women to pay for 
abortion coverage in their medical care. There is no reason they should 
be denied in maintaining the principles of the Hyde amendment with no 
federal payment for abortion services.
  I thank the Chair and yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Illinois.
  Mr. DURBIN. Mr. President, I thank the Senator from the Commonwealth 
of Pennsylvania for his opening remarks. He has addressed an issue 
relative to a pending amendment offered by the Senator from Nevada. He 
makes note of a very critical flaw in this amendment. The Senator from 
Nevada is restricting the ability of the victims of medical malpractice 
to go to court to recover by restricting the attorney's fees that can 
be paid, contingency fees, because people usually don't have enough 
money to buy an attorney. The attorney takes the case and says: If you 
win, then I get paid. If you lose, I don't get paid. Contingent fee 
basis.
  The Senator from Nevada is restricting the ability of these attorneys 
to represent plaintiffs, victims, on a contingency fee basis, but does 
not restrict the defense attorneys and the amount they are paid. As the 
Senator from Pennsylvania noted, the record is clear, the amount of 
money being paid to defense attorneys in medical malpractice cases is 
50 percent higher on an annualized basis than that paid to those 
representing victims.
  I won't question the motive of the Senator from Nevada, but the 
effect of his amendment is to reduce the likelihood that an injured 
victim will be able to go to court and be represented by an attorney to 
make their claim. Our system of justice has a courtroom and jury and a 
judge there to make that final decision. What the Senator from Nevada 
does is preclude and reduce the possibility that victims can recover. 
How many people die each year in America from medical malpractice? The 
Institute of Medicine told us 10 years ago the number was 98,000 people 
a year. Many more are injured because of medical malpractice. How many 
lawsuits, claims are successfully filed each year in America for 
medical malpractice, for injuries and deaths? About 11,000. A very 
small percentage of the actual victims of malpractice go to court. It 
doesn't happen. Those who try to go to court are usually not rich 
people so they do it on a contingency fee. What the Senator from Nevada 
is trying to do, unfortunately, is to close the courthouse door to 
favor the defense of a malpractice case over the victim. That, to me, 
is unfortunate, and I hope we are successful in defeating it. For those 
who are following the proceedings of the Senate today, either in person 
or through C- SPAN, it is an unusual--not unprecedented but unusual--
meeting on Sunday. But it is appropriate that we would do something 
extraordinary when you consider the matter at hand. This 2,000-page 
bill is the health care reform bill that has been in the works now for 
a year. It has been considered by three committees in the House and two 
in the Senate. The Presiding Officer from New Mexico has the dubious 
distinction of having been privy to all of the Senate committee 
proceedings and some extraneous proceedings. He has probably been 
subjected to more debate on this issue than any other Member.
  A lot of hard work has gone into this bill. Some critics say it is 
too long. There are too many pages. When you consider that we are 
tackling our health care system, which comprises one-sixth of our gross 
domestic product--$1 out of every $6 spent in America--it is 
understandable that we would need to work carefully and try in a 
comprehensive way to address all the issues.
  So what does this bill do? First, it is historic in that it moves us 
toward 94 percent of the American people having health insurance. Today 
about 50 million people don't have health insurance. That is not 
counting the people with bad health insurance. These are people who 
have no health insurance. Some have lost jobs, some worked for 
businesses that can't afford insurance, and some can't afford to buy it 
themselves, 50 million of them. Thirty million are going to move toward 
coverage in this bill. It will be the largest percentage of Americans 
with the security of health insurance protection in our Nation's 
history. That is what this bill does.
  Secondly, this bill makes health insurance premiums more affordable. 
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over 80 percent--some say over 90 percent--of the people in America, 
they will see either a reduction in premium or a slowdown in the rate 
of growth in health insurance premiums. That is something that is 
absolutely essential because health insurance premiums are breaking the 
bank. Ten years ago, the average health insurance plan for a family of 
four cost $6,000 a year. That is a lot of money, $500 a month. That was 
10 years ago. Now it has doubled. The average is $12,000 a year, $1,000 
a month for a family of four for health insurance coverage. That is the 
average, to work and earn $1,000 a month strictly for health insurance. 
What is the projection in 8 years? That it will double again to 
$24,000, that you will be working and earning $2,000 a month just to 
pay for health insurance. That is unaffordable for so many people. That 
is why that is one of the highest priorities in this bill.
  The third thing this bill does is to give people across America a 
fighting chance against the health insurance companies. These private 
insurance companies are some of the wealthiest companies in America and 
pay the highest amounts to their CEOs each and every year. What we are 
trying to do is to make sure they don't turn down people when they need 
help the most. Too many of these insurance companies, as has been noted 
many times, raise the issue of preexisting conditions and say: We are 
not going to cover that particular surgery or that particular drug 
because you had a preexisting condition you didn't disclose. They game 
the system against the person who is sick. That is going to change. 
This bill will provide for coverage despite preexisting conditions, and 
we won't allow the insurance companies to assert a limit, a lifetime 
limit on what they can pay.
  You know what happens. You get seriously ill, and they cut you off. 
What is happening today is that two out of three people who file for 
bankruptcy in America do so because of medical bills, bills they can't 
pay. That tells us that the number of people facing this threat is 
huge. But even worse is the fact that some 74 percent of those filing 
bankruptcy already have health insurance. It turns out the health 
insurance was not worth much when they needed it.
  The last thing this bill does--and one of the most important things--
is it doesn't add to the deficit. President Obama told us to do this 
job but don't make the deficit worse. The Congressional Budget Office, 
which is the referee and umpire when it comes to the cost of bills, 
came back and said our bill will actually reduce the Federal deficit by 
$130 billion over the first 10 years and $650 billion over the next 10. 
Bringing down the cost of health care brings down the cost of 
government health programs. It saves us money, saving families and 
businesses money, saving the government money. It is the largest 
deficit reduction bill ever considered by Congress. It is before us 
now.
  It is no surprise--we heard this morning from the Republican Senate 
leader, and we have heard before--that there are those who are arguing 
this is a dangerous bill and this bill should not be passed. I asked my 
staff to do a little bit of work on previous debates right here on the 
floor of the Senate and what was said.
  In 1934, when Congress was considering the Social Security Program, 
which gave everybody a basic retirement plan, an insurance plan for 
retirement, even after the Social Security bill came to the Senate 
floor, not including health insurance, a Republican Senator from 
Delaware, Daniel Hastings, said on the floor about Social Security:

       I fear it may end the progress of a great country.

  A Congressman from the State of New York, James Wadsworth, in the 
same debate over Social Security, said that the passage of Social 
Security:

       . . . opens the door and invites the entrance into the 
     political field of a power so vast, so powerful as to 
     threaten the integrity of our institutions and to pull the 
     pillars of the temple down upon the heads of our descendants.

  We know that when former Senator from Ohio Robert Taft was addressing 
the effort by President Harry Truman to have universal health care in 
America, he said:

       I consider it socialism.

  It was used against Lyndon Johnson. That same charge was used against 
Bill Clinton. It is virtually being used today. When we hear the 
Republicans who are opposing this bill come to the floor, I have a 
basic question to ask them. We have been at this debate for a year. 
Where is your bill? What do you want to do?
  Oh, they tell us: We have some bills, and you are going to see them 
any day now. Well, I would like to. I would like to see the 
comprehensive health reform bill from the Republican side of the aisle. 
This is ours, and it has been on the Internet for 2 weeks for everybody 
in this Nation to read word by word, line by line. Sadly, there is no 
Republican bill.
  I know there are two possible reasons for that. This was hard work. 
This was not easy politically or otherwise and they have not engaged in 
that hard work. What we have seen are press releases and speeches, 
graphs and pictures, but no bill, no comprehensive health care reform 
bill from the Republican side. Secondly, there are many on that side of 
the aisle who like this system of health care. They agree with the 
health insurance companies: Let's keep it the way it is.
  But Americans know better. We are going to work today in the Senate 
on this bill, as we should. While we are working today, 14,000 
Americans are going to lose their health insurance. Mr. President, 
14,000 Americans lost their health insurance yesterday, and 14,000 will 
lose it tomorrow, and every single day of the year. That is how many 
people, despite their best efforts, lose their coverage.
  We have to stop that. It is time for us to provide the kind of peace 
of mind that every single family deserves in America when it comes to 
quality and affordable health care.
  Mr. President, I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Pennsylvania is recognized.


                           Amendment No. 2927

  Mr. CASEY. Mr. President, I rise this afternoon to speak about one of 
the amendments we are going to be voting on later today. As we stand 
here today, we are debating the bill on the floor, the health care 
bill, where we are trying to do a couple things at one time, and I 
think we can, and I think this bill does it, even though we will make 
some changes to it.
  We are trying to improve the quality of care for Americans, whether 
they get their health care through a public program or through a 
private insurance company or a private plan. We are trying to finally 
use preventive measures to make people healthier and have better health 
outcomes.
  We are also working to reduce costs. If you want to talk about it in 
terms of a doctor and a patient or a health care system and an 
American, who should benefit from the health care system, we basically 
want to have people get the care they need from the doctor they choose.
  What we are engaged in now is a debate about an amendment which the 
other side says is about the fees going to trial lawyers. That is the 
way they like to talk about it, and I know that is popular. When the 
other side makes an amendment such as this, they like to have a target, 
so their target is trial lawyers. But, unfortunately, for this debate, 
I think it is misleading because this amendment, which I would urge 
people to vote against, is not about lawyers. It is about victims and 
whether we are going to ensure that victims have a shot, a fair chance, 
when they have a claim for medical negligence when they have been 
injured as a result of negligent conduct.
  I said before, we are debating the health care bill and we are 
talking about costs. This amendment will do nothing to lower costs. 
What it will do is not lower anyone's costs. What it will do is 
increase the cost or the burden a claimant has to bear when they have a 
claim against any kind of hospital or doctor in the case of a medical 
negligence case. So the question is, are we going to enable people who 
do not have the means to bring cases versus very powerful interests? 
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the basic questions we will answer with regard to this amendment.
  I would hope if a member of my family or any family--and I think this 
is true of everyone in this Chamber--if a member of your family, as a 
result of medical negligence, had to bring a claim, you would hope that 
individual could walk into a courtroom or file a claim with someone who 
has the skill and the ability to be their advocate. Because I will tell 
you one thing, they are going to be up against a very powerful 
interest: insurance companies that write medical liability policies, an 
incredibly powerful interest.
  A lot of us come at this question through our own personal 
experience, through the experiences of our families. I had a 
grandfather who I never met, my father's father, Alphonsus Casey. He, 
like a lot of people in northeastern Pennsylvania, as a young kid, went 
into the coal mines at a very young age. He worked as a mule boy. One 
of the days he was tending to the mules in that mine, just as a kid, 11 
or 12 years old at the time, he was kicked by a mule. He got a scar 
that started above his eyebrow and went across his face, split his lip, 
and went down through one side of his chin. So he understood injury as 
a child, injury in the course of working. I think he also understood 
that when he became a lawyer, many years later, well into his 
adulthood. He understood what it is like to suffer an injury and to 
make a claim for an injury. But what he did is represent injured 
workers. That was his law practice. I wonder what he would say if he 
were here talking about what happens to victims when they have an 
injury they want redress for.
  Like on so many other things in this debate, I think the other side 
of the aisle is carrying water for the insurance companies. Just my 
opinion, but I think that is the case. Yet in the case of medical 
negligence and what happens in the real world, we know that 98,000 
deaths a year are from preventable medical errors. Let me say that 
again. We know there are 98,000 deaths in America a year, according to 
the Institute of Medicine, from preventable medical errors.
  So what this amendment does is deny patients the attorney of their 
choice. It further restricts access to the courts. It drives up costs 
for victims. When we talk about bringing a case and the barriers to 
doing that, that is not some future result of this amendment. Oh, I 
think this amendment will make that problem a lot worse. But right 
now--no matter what happens in this debate, no matter what happens on 
the vote on this amendment--there are barriers right now for people to 
bring a lawsuit. It costs, in many cases, thousands, if not tens of 
thousands, to bring a case. And then to see a case all the way through 
costs a lot more than that.
  What are we talking about here? We are talking about allowing someone 
who has a claim for a serious injury to go see a lawyer and to sit down 
with that lawyer and enter into an agreement for the fee, whatever that 
fee will be, whatever that will be. If that lawyer and that person, 
that patient or victim, goes forward with the case, they bear a risk. 
The victim bears a risk that they will not be successful and that at 
the end of that they will have no recovery at all.
  But because of the way the contingent fee works, the lawyer bears a 
risk as well that he or she will not be paid, and they also stand a 
risk of having to pay for costs the victim cannot pay--and the lawyer 
will bear those costs throughout the pursuit of that case.
  So here is what we are talking about. This is basically a debate 
about victims and whether they are going to have the kind of 
representation they need. If I were going in to have surgery in a 
hospital, I would hope the surgeon would be someone of the best, the 
highest skill possible. I would want the best surgeon, as I take on 
that battle. Anyone would.
  I would hope we would not do something in the debate to reduce the 
chances that a victim of medical negligence could go into a courtroom 
or file a claim with the best, most highly skilled lawyer they can 
find. I would hope we would not want to do anything that would injure 
that basic right.
  It is interesting that this amendment applies only to patients--it 
does not apply to anyone else--patients who would become victims of 
medical negligence.
  In conclusion, in terms of what happens in our States, States 
regulate the conduct of lawyers. They do it all the time. But we also 
have evidence from the States about what happens in these kinds of 
cases. In Pennsylvania, for example, in most counties, as to cases 
going to trial because of medical malpractice claims--those kinds of 
lawsuits--in most counties in Pennsylvania, 90 percent of those cases 
are won by the defense, won by the insurance company. That is the 
evidence in Pennsylvania.
  I know we have others who are ready to speak on this and other 
amendments. But I think we should make it very clear. On this 
amendment, this is a debate about two parties: victims of medical 
negligence versus insurance companies. It is time to choose up which 
side you stand on. Unfortunately, this amendment is very clearly 
drafted and intended to help insurance companies, not victims of 
medical negligence.
  I yield the floor.
  I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  I withhold that suggestion.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Montana is recognized.
  Mr. BAUCUS. Mr. President, for the benefit of all Senators, I want to 
take a moment to review today's program. This is the seventh day of 
debate on the health care reform bill. It has been nearly 2\1/2\ weeks 
since the majority leader moved to proceed to this bill. We have now 
considered 14 amendments, and we have conducted 10 rollcalls.
  Between now and 3:15 this afternoon, the Senate will continue to 
debate the amendment by the Senator from Arkansas, Mrs. Lincoln, on 
insurance company executive compensation and, at the same time, we will 
debate the amendment by Senator Ensign limiting attorney's fees. The 
majority controls the first 60 minutes, and the Republicans will 
control the next 60 minutes. At 3:15 p.m., the Senate will conduct 
back-to-back votes on or in relation to the Lincoln amendment and the 
Ensign amendment.
  Thereafter, we expect to turn to another Democratic first-degree 
amendment and another Republican first-degree amendment. That is the 
lineup at this time. It is possible the Senate may vote on those next 
two amendments today. As a result, additional votes are possible 
following the two votes at 3:15.
  Once again, I thank all Senators for their cooperation and courtesy 
on this extraordinary weekend session.
  Mr. President, I suggest that Senator Harkin be next recognized for 7 
minutes.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Iowa is recognized.
  Mr. HARKIN. Mr. President, I will have more to say about this later. 
But there has been so much talk about fear, fear, fear. Everybody has a 
fear. Let's get away from that. It is time to quit talking about fear. 
Let's talk about hope. Let's talk about the realities of what is 
affecting people out there, what we are trying to do to make their 
lives better. Why do we always want to inject fear into people? Let's 
talk about hope. Let's talk about real people and what this bill does.
  As shown in this picture, this is Sarah Posekany of Cedar Falls, IA. 
Let me tell you her story. It is incredible. She was diagnosed with 
Crohn's disease when she was 15 years old. During her first year in 
college, she ran into complications from the disease and had to drop 
classes. Because she was no longer a full-time student, her parents' 
private health insurance company terminated her coverage. Then the 
medical bills piled up. Four years later, she found herself $180,000 in 
debt, and was forced to file for bankruptcy.
  Sarah has undergone seven surgeries--seven. Here is what is 
disturbing. Two of those came as a direct result of not being able to 
afford medication. So again, it is an incredible story, but it is a 
true story.
  So many people have to go through this. Our bill says: Look, you can 
stay on your parents' coverage until you are age 26, and--guess what--
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from here on out. Think about Sarah when we are talking about this bill 
and the hope she needs--and so many like her--that we are going to 
change this system to make her life better.
  Second, this is a picture of Tasha Hudson of Des Moines, IA. She is a 
single mother, with three kids. She had a job which provided health 
insurance, but she took a new job that paid her more, 50 percent more. 
You would think: Isn't that the American way? You learn, you get 
better, you get a better paying job. The problem is, the private sector 
job did not come with health insurance. Despite the higher pay, she 
could not afford the coverage.
  Ironically, her higher pay led to cuts in her Medicaid benefits and 
the loss of childcare services. As a result, Tasha is now in the 
process of returning to a lower paying job, despite its limited 
opportunities, for one reason: because it will provide health insurance 
for her family. These are real people. These are the people to whom we 
need to give hope.
  Here is one last one. Eleanor Pierce lives in Cedar Falls, IA. She 
lost her job when her company was eliminated. She had the option of 
purchasing COBRA, but she couldn't afford it. So she searched for 
coverage, but because of high blood pressure--preexisting condition--
she was denied access. So age 62, suffering from high blood pressure, 
she had no choice but to go without insurance.
  That is why we need this bill. Not for fear--let's quit talking about 
fear. Let's talk about hope for the people I just talked about, the 
hope that their lives will be better, that they will get the insurance 
coverage they need, that they will be able to get on with their lives 
and not have to go so far in debt that they have to go into bankruptcy.
  If you are a 62-year-old woman with a serious heart condition such as 
the one Eleanor has, high blood pressure, you just don't have a prayer, 
you are on your own, and the odds of premature death are disturbingly 
high. We can and must do better. That is what we ought to be talking 
about: hope for the future, not fear.
  Mr. President, I yield the floor.
  Mr. BAUCUS. Mr. President, I yield to the Senator from Connecticut 
all the remaining time, and if he wants to speak for a little longer, I 
know we can make some accommodations with the other side.
  Mr. DODD. How much time remains?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Eight minutes is remaining.
  Mr. DODD. I thank my colleagues.
  Mr. President, some of these numbers get thrown around so much that 
it is almost dizzying. I wonder how the average person, even someone 
who is intently listening to these debates, can sort it all out: 47 
million who have no coverage; 14,000 people every single day in our 
country who lose health care coverage either because they are thrown 
into personal bankruptcy or because of medical costs or job loss around 
the country--14,000 a day, every day, 7 days a week. Just do the math. 
For 7 or 8 days, we have been debating this legislation. You can run 
the numbers yourself to determine over that period of time how many 
citizens across the country have found themselves in that free fall, 
that dreaded fear that a child or a loved one may end up needing care. 
It is not as though you can postpone the decision to some later time, 
as you can about whether to take a vacation or to buy that new car or 
maybe to spend more than you thought you would over the holidays coming 
up. If you now have a medical emergency and you are one of those 14,000 
a day who have lost coverage, what do you do? So sometimes the sheer 
magnitude of these numbers can cause us to lose sight of the individual 
stories, anecdotes that are not exclusive or isolated but commonplace 
stories that are happening as we speak here on this Sunday, on a rare 
Sunday session in the Senate because of the importance of this issue.
  So I rise today to share a few stories from my own State that I think 
put a face on these issues and why we are here. Let me start by asking 
some questions because I think too often when we debate these issues, 
sometimes we are so removed as Members of this body, from what goes on 
in the daily lives of the people we represent that we fail to 
appreciate what is happening right outside these doors from this very 
Chamber on a daily and an hourly occasion. The 535 of us who have the 
privilege of serving in the Congress, including Members of the other 
body, none of us here are worrying about losing our health care. Not a 
single Member here ever spent a nanosecond worrying about whether they 
are going to be dropped from their health care coverage--not one.
  Is there anybody among the 535 of us who ever worries about whether 
we will be able to afford health care insurance? I don't know of anyone 
who ever worries about that, of the 535 who are here.
  Has anyone ever been up late at night with a child or a loved one, 
wondering whether they are going to be able to afford the treatment 
that child may need, or that loved one? I would go so far as to say I 
don't think that happens here. God forbid if we are confronted with a 
child or a loved one who needs that care. We may worry about that, but 
we are not going to worry about whether the insurance will be there or 
whether we will have the ability to pay for it. Not one of us ever 
worries about that.
  Has anybody ever spent hours being bounced from voice mail to voice 
mail to voice mail trying to find out why the insurance company you pay 
thousands of dollars to every year suddenly refuses to pay for your 
spouse's cancer treatments? Has that ever happened to anyone here? I 
doubt it. I sincerely doubt it.
  Is there anyone stuck in a job that pays very little because you 
can't afford to change jobs because you have a preexisting condition 
and you know if you go to that new job that may pay more, you are going 
to find yourself without the insurance coverage to take care of that 
preexisting condition? No one here worries about being in that 
particular predicament.
  Has anyone been driven into bankruptcy, any Members of Congress, 
because they had a medical crisis? We now know that 62 percent of all 
bankruptcies this year alone are medical crisis related, and 70 percent 
of that 62 percent have health care insurance--70 percent of that 62 
percent.
  Is anybody here a small business owner who has had to choose between 
cutting coverage or putting your employees out of work?
  Well, the answer to all of these questions obviously is a resounding 
no. None of us have ever had to grapple with what 14,000 people do in 
this country every day: losing their coverage, or the underinsured who 
discover all of a sudden that the coverage they thought they had 
doesn't quite cover the problems, or the out-of-pocket expenses you 
have to pay before getting to insurance are so high that you can't 
possibly meet them. That goes on every minute of every day all across 
our Nation, and it is why we are here on this Sunday in December, to 
try to finally see if we cannot come to terms and start moving on a 
coverage program, a health care and health insurance coverage program 
that makes it possible for all of our fellow citizens to be in the same 
position we are.
  None of us are immune from health care crises. Every one of us here 
has grappled with that at one time or another. The difference is, we 
don't ever worry about the ability to pay for it, losing our coverage, 
having to go through what every other citizen does every single day.
  These are real people who go through this. We can get so lost in the 
weeds on this debate. I am not suggesting the details are unimportant--
they are important--but we are losing sight of the whole; that is, for 
80 years every single Congress, whether it has been controlled by 
Republicans or Democrats, whether a Democrat or Republican has been in 
the White House, has been unable to even come close to solving this 
problem.
  We are now that close--closer than we have ever been in our history--
to coming up with a health care system that can begin to take care of 
that basic right every American ought to have--and it is a right--that 
if you are a citizen of the United States and you get sick, you ought 
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into bankruptcy, lose your job, or have your family suffer because of 
your economic circumstances. The privilege of getting good health care 
ought not to be based on wealth; it ought to be based on the fact that 
we live in the United States of America and we are able to take care of 
our fellow citizens when they reach those difficult times every one of 
us will at one point or another.
  There are stories, and I know my colleagues have them as well.
  A young woman in Connecticut, Maria, diagnosed with non-Hodgkins 
lymphoma, asked her insurance company to cover her treatments. The 
insurance company found out that Maria had once gone to a doctor for 
what she thought was a pinched nerve. Even though no tests had been 
done for cancer, they denied her claim based on a preexisting 
condition. How many have heard these stories? She passed away, by the 
way, from that illness.
  A young man named Frank disclosed on his insurance application that 
he sometimes got headaches. Some months after he got his policy, he 
went in for a routine eye exam. The doctor saw something he didn't like 
and sent him to a neurologist, who told him that he had multiple 
sclerosis. The insurance company told him he should have known his 
occasional headaches were a sign of MS and took away his coverage 
retroactively. Frank's doctor wrote them a letter saying there was no 
way anyone could have known that an ordinary headache was related to 
multiple sclerosis. But the insurance left Frank out to dry, sticking 
him with a $30,000 medical bill he couldn't afford. Frank's condition 
got worse. He had to leave his job and go on public assistance.
  Kevin Galvin is a small business owner in my State. I have met with 
Kevin a number of times, and we have talked over the last year or so 
during my Connecticut Prescriptions for Change listening tour. Kevin 
owns a small business, a maintenance company. He employs seven people, 
some older, some younger. He can't afford to insure them. He would like 
to, but he can't afford it. His younger employees use the emergency 
room as their regular doctor. If one of them has a child with an ear 
infection----
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The majority time has expired.
  Mr. DODD. I ask unanimous consent for 1 additional minute, I ask my 
colleagues.
  Mr. BAUCUS. I ask unanimous consent for 1 additional minute.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection? Without objection, it is 
so ordered.
  Mr. DODD. I thank my colleagues.
  Kevin has three employees in their twenties and thirties. This is 
Kevin here, by the way, running this maintenance shop in Hartford, CT. 
He has employees in their twenties and thirties who have never had a 
physical or a dental cleaning by a hygienist. One of them, age 28, with 
two children to support, was out of work for 12 weeks and nearly died 
from a staph infection he got from an untreated cavity.
  Kevin has been working hard to try to provide for these people, but 
he has recently lost people who worked for him for more than 20 years 
because they got a job that paid less than he pays them but they can 
get health insurance coverage. So here is an employee who leaves a job 
in order to get a job where he can have health insurance.
  Again, small business owners who go through this are all across our 
country.
  My simple point is this: Anyone who suggests this bill is the end-all 
obviously hasn't been through this process over the last several years. 
There will be a lot more work that needs to be done in the years to 
come. But we need to do what no other Congress has done before: We need 
to start. That is why I feel so passionately about getting this bill 
passed and moving it forward. I ask my colleagues to join us.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Wyoming.
  Mr. ENZI. Mr. President, I yield 5 minutes to the Senator from New 
Hampshire and 10 minutes to the Senator from Texas.
  Mr. GREGG. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that during the 
next hour which we control we be allowed to enter into colloquies on 
our side of the aisle.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. GREGG. Mr. President, we have certainly heard a lot of talk about 
Medicare over the last few days, and we have actually even voted on a 
few amendments, but they have all had no force of law, and they have 
just been statements of purpose. They are called sense of the Senate. 
Every one of these sense of the Senate has had as its purpose to try to 
give political cover to Members on the other side relative to the issue 
of the fact that this bill reduces Medicare spending by close to $\1/2\ 
trillion in the first 10 years, $1 trillion when it is fully 
implemented over a 10-year period, and $2.5 trillion over the first 20 
years, and that those reductions in spending in Medicare are going to 
translate immediately and unquestionably into a reduction in service 
and coverage for Medicare-recipient senior citizens. The money from 
that--the $\1/2\ trillion in the first 10 years, the $1 trillion in the 
10 years that we are doing the implementation, and the $2.5 trillion 
over the next 20 years--is being taken out of the senior citizen 
program called Medicare, and it is going to be moved over into a 
brandnew entitlement program and into the expansion of Medicaid.
  Those dollars will be used to create new Federal programs for people 
who have never paid, for the most part, into the Medicare 
hospitalization fund; for people who are not senior citizens and 
therefore do not, arguably, deserve to receive the benefit of the 
Medicare hospitalization fund. As a result, seniors will see their 
benefits reduced and other people will get a new benefit through the 
Federal Government. Ironically, the new benefit, this new entitlement, 
will not be adequately funded either, but large portions of part of 
that funding are going to come from the Medicare trust fund.
  The problem here is that the Medicare trust fund is insolvent. It has 
$30 trillion of outstanding exposure to the Medicare trust fund, which 
we don't know how we are going to pay for as seniors retire over the 
next 20, 30, 40 years. Thus, there will be a reduction in the benefits 
to Medicare, a reduction to Medicare recipients, a reduction in the 
Medicare trust fund to the tune of $\1/2\ trillion in the first 10 
years, $1 trillion when it is fully implemented, and $2.5 trillion over 
the next 20 years.
  That type of reduction shouldn't go to create new Federal programs. 
If it is going to be done at all, it should go to making the Medicare 
trust fund more solvent. Well, that has been essentially the tenure of 
some of the proposals from the other side of the aisle. We have heard a 
lot of people on the other side of the aisle say: All right, we are not 
going to cut Medicare. We are not going to cut Medicare. We are just 
going to reduce it by $\1/2\ trillion, and then we are going to create 
a new program with it. We are not going to do this to the seniors. We 
are not going to take their money and start a new program.
  We have heard that statement in different levels of machinations from 
the other side of the aisle quite regularly.
  I do, however, for the record, want to say--because I have immense 
respect for him, and he has been totally forthcoming on these issues, 
and very accurate--that the chairman of the Finance Committee has not 
represented that is what is happening with the Medicare funds.
  He has represented on the floor that those Medicare funds that are 
being reduced--those reductions in Medicare spending will go to create 
a new program. But a lot of folks on the other side have said they 
don't agree with that, that is not what they are intending to do. Some 
of the sense of the Senate have clearly had that implication in their 
passage.
  So what does that amendment do that I am going to be offering? It 
shoots real bullets. No longer is it a political statement, a sense of 
the Senate, a thought process, a virtual event saying you want to 
protect the Medicare trust funds. This amendment is real. It protects 
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fund. It is real hard language, which says that if you vote for this 
amendment, you are voting not to move Medicare trust fund dollars out 
of the Medicare trust fund, away from Medicare recipients, over to 
start a new program; that any new program started in this bill must be 
paid for by something other than Medicare.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The time of the Senator has expired.
  Mr. GREGG. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent for an additional 
minute.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. GREGG. So this shoots with real bullets. It says, essentially, if 
you vote for this amendment, you are voting to keep the Medicare 
dollars with Medicare, not to take those dollars that are being cut out 
of senior citizen programs and move them to create a brandnew set of 
programs at the Federal level.
  This will be the vote that I believe determines whether we raid the 
Medicare funds for the purpose of creating a new Federal program or 
whether we maintain the integrity of the Medicare system. This is a 
serious amendment, and it is a real amendment. There is no sense of the 
Senate about this. This is enforceable language. Anybody voting against 
this amendment is formally voting, unquestionably and unequivocally, to 
take $\1/2\ trillion of Medicare funds, in the first 10 years, and move 
them over to fund a new program; to take $1 trillion from the Medicare 
funds, when fully implemented, and move them to fund a new program; to 
take $2.5 trillion, over the next 20 years, of Medicare benefits that 
should be going to seniors--because they are Medicare funds and should 
be benefiting the solvency of the Medicare funds--and moves them to 
create new programs. Anybody who votes against this amendment is 
accomplishing that; they are cutting Medicare for the purpose of 
creating a new program. If you vote for the amendment, to the extent 
Medicare savings occur, they would not be used to fund new programs. It 
is a real, enforceable amendment.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Kyl). The Senator from Texas is 
recognized.
  Mr. CORNYN. Mr. President, the President of the United States is 
reportedly traveling to Capitol Hill to meet with Senate Democrats in a 
few moments. Unfortunately, Republicans are not invited, which follows 
an established pattern, where notwithstanding the public statements 
that Republican ideas are welcome, they have been rejected at every 
stage of the development of this 2,074-page bill. There were party line 
votes in the HELP Committee and the Finance Committee and virtually 
every Republican idea was rejected. The President is coming to rally 
our Democratic friends to basically do it in a ``my way or the 
highway'' sort of way. They are going to own it 1,000 percent.
  I think it is perhaps very timely to recall some of the President's 
promises because, frankly, if the President follows the promises he 
made to the American people, he will not be able to sign this bill or 
anything similar to it.
  First of all, talking about transparency, he said we are going to 
have negotiations around a big table on C-SPAN so people can see who is 
making arguments on behalf of their constituents and who is making 
arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies.
  The reality is, this bill was merged between the Finance bill and the 
HELP Committee bill--merged behind closed doors, with only three 
Senators present and presumably their staffs.
  Another promise the President made was this:

       The plan I am announcing tonight--

  This was during the joint session of Congress, I believe, we 
attended.

     --will slow the growth of health care costs for our families, 
     our businesses, and our government.

  This is a pledge the President made to the American people. That was 
his stated goal for this bill. We see something very different in this 
2,074-page bill, a different reality. We see that premiums for those in 
the individual market--families--will be increased by 10 percent by 
2016, according to the CBO. You don't have to take my word for it. It 
is not some insurance company talking. This is the Congressional Budget 
Office. Businesses that fail to comply with the job-killing mandates in 
the bill will face additional taxes of $28 billion--yes, during a 
recession when unemployment is at 10 percent. That is according to the 
CBO. They also say taxpayers will see Federal outlays for health care 
coverage increase by $160 billion over 10 years.
  This is from the dean of Harvard Medical School. He said:

       In discussions with dozens of health care leaders and 
     economists, I find near unanimity of opinion that, whatever 
     its shape, the final legislation that will emerge from 
     Congress will markedly accelerate national health care 
     spending.

  So much for bending the proverbial cost curve. Then there is this 
promise--another solemn promise. The President said:

       I have made a solemn pledge that I will sign a universal 
     health care bill into law by the end of my first term as 
     President that will cover every American--

  This bill obviously does not.

     --and cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to 
     $2,500 a year.

  As I mentioned, under the CBO score, the average premium for families 
in the individual market will go up by $2,100, not go down by $2,500--
another promise made that will not be kept if this bill is passed into 
law.
  Then the President talked about deficits. There has been a lot about 
this bill being so-called deficit neutral. If you cut enough benefits 
for seniors and raise taxes enough on everybody, you can produce a 
deficit-neutral bill. This bill will spend $2.5 trillion over the next 
10 years with full implementation. President Obama's chief actuary at 
the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services called the ability to 
sign a bill such as this, without raising the deficit, ``unrealistic 
and doubtful.'' David Broder, the dean of the Washington press corps, 
said:

       While the CBO said that both the House-passed bill and the 
     one Reid has drafted meet Obama's test for being budget 
     neutral, every expert I have talked to says that the public 
     has it right. These bills, as they stand, are budget busters.

  Then there is the promise of choice. The President said the American 
people ought to have choice when it comes to health care, their choice 
of their doctors and health plans. The fact is, this bill would consign 
60 million Americans to a health care ``gulag'' called Medicaid. I say 
that because, although Medicaid provides what some people would say is 
coverage, it certainly doesn't provide access. In the metroplex of 
Texas, the Dallas-Fort Worth area, 38 percent of doctors will not see a 
new Medicaid patient because of Medicaid's low rates.
  Then there is this claim that it will not raise taxes. Well, the 
Joint Committee on Taxation indicates that 38 percent of the people 
earning less than $200,000 a year will see a tax increase under this 
bill. In other words, this is another promise the President made that 
will be violated if this bill is passed into law because taxes will go 
up for 38 percent of the people. As a matter of fact, out of that 38 
percent, 24 percent of them will experience a tax increase, even after 
taking into account the premium tax credit that is being paid under 
this bill. Another promise made, another promise that cannot be kept if 
this bill becomes law.
  Then there is this one. The President said:

       So don't pay attention to those scary stories about how 
     your benefits will be cut. That will never happen on my 
     watch. I will protect Medicare.

  Dr. Elmendorf, the head of the CBO, said Medicare's managed care 
plans would see reduced benefits--I am sorry, that is according to CBS 
News. The chief actuary said:

       Providers might end their participation in the program, 
     possibly jeopardizing access to care for beneficiaries.

  Dr. Elmendorf said you would see additional benefits that seniors get 
under Medicare Advantage cut by about half. Another promise, another 
promise broken if this bill becomes law.
  There is this, which pertains to the Ensign amendment pending on the 
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       I want to work with the American Medical Association so we 
     can scale back the excessive defensive medicine that 
     reinforces our current system, and shift to a system where we 
     are providing better care simply--rather than simply more 
     treatment. So this is going to be a priority for me.

  If this is a priority for the President of the United States, it is 
apparently not a priority of those who have authored this bill because 
all that is contained in the bill is a nonbinding sense of the Senate. 
We have heard that medical liability reform laws, such as those that 
have been passed and implemented in Texas--if passed nationwide, this 
bill could bend the cost curve by $54 billion over 10 years. Yet all we 
get is a watered-down sense of the Senate that has no binding effect at 
all.
  If the President was sincere about making those promises to the 
American people, then this Congress ought to be sincere about helping 
him keep that promise. The fact is, time after time, this bill breaks 
the promises that President Obama made to the American people. It is 
not too late to change that. I hope that, today, when he meets with 
Senate Democrats behind closed doors, to the exclusion of Republicans, 
there will be some discussion of how can we help you keep those 
promises to the American people because this bill does not.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Wyoming is recognized.
  Mr. ENZI. Mr. President, I yield such time as they need to several 
Senators for the purpose of a colloquy.
  Mr. McCAIN. Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
  The assistant legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. GREGG. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for 
the quorum call be rescinded.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  The Senator from Arizona is recognized.
  Mr. McCAIN. Mr. President, I am pleased to see my friends on the 
floor again today--very intelligent people, such as the Senator from 
New Hampshire and my friend, Senator Enzi, who is an expert on this 
issue, and the rest of us who know that a fight not joined is a fight 
not enjoyed. I look forward to another spirited discussion with my 
colleagues.
  Maybe if I could, to start with, I will take up a point about the 
debate and discussion we had yesterday on the floor with the Senator 
from Montana, the chairman of the committee, where he asked me why did 
I think that certain groups supported this legislation pending before 
the Senate. I said I didn't know what kinds of deals had been cut. I 
referred to the deal made with PhRMA and others. I didn't know exactly 
why because I am not taken into the discussions and negotiations off 
the floor in the office of the majority leader.
  There seems to have been some blowback on that, and somebody said 
maybe that wasn't appropriate to talk about deals that were cut. This 
morning, on the front page of the Washington Post, it says:

       Deals Cut with Health Groups May Be at Peril.

  Perhaps the Washington Post is impugning the reputation of someone or 
staffers or others. They have certainly impugned mine from time to 
time. But the fact is, this is a news story.
  Again, I go back, very briefly, because we have a lot to talk about, 
my colleagues and I. The fact is, there have been deals cut, just like 
is reported in the Washington Post this morning, as has been reported 
all over America about the deals cut with various interest groups that 
don't necessarily represent the people they claim to represent. I know 
the American Medical Association does not represent the majority of 
physicians and caregivers. In the State of Arizona, I know too many of 
them. I also know they have a very large lobbying presence in our 
Nation's Capitol, as do the other interested groups that have ``cut 
deals'' that may be at peril now, according to the Washington Post.
  With that, I will mention, again, that the doctor is in. Would the 
doctor care to give us some enlightened information, before we give our 
various opinions on this issue?
  Mr. BARRASSO. I agree with the Senator from Arizona. I looked at 
another one of his favorite newspapers, the New York Times, today 
because we----
  Mr. McCAIN. My absolute favorite.
  Mr. BARRASSO. On this floor have said the Democratic proposal is 
cutting the Medicare the seniors of this country depend on for their 
health care. We pointed out that they have taken $120 billion away from 
Medicare Advantage. Mr. President, 11 million seniors use Medicare 
Advantage. One out of four seniors is on Medicare. The reason they 
signed up for Medicare Advantage is because there is an advantage for 
the seniors--preventive care, coordinated care, things we know are 
important.
  Yesterday on this floor, the Democrats voted to cut away from home 
health care. This is a lifeline for homebound patients. It helps keep 
them out of the hospital and out of the nursing homes. Yet in spite of 
all the letters we have read from patients, as well as home health care 
communities in all of our States, they have cut back.
  Yet the majority whip came to the floor at the opening of the session 
today and said: Oh, we have handled all of that. He said: We have 
handled all of that with a wonderful resolution of the Senate by 
Senator Michael Bennet.
  The New York Times today, about that resolution, said:
  Democrats decided to respond to the Republicans saying: Hey, you are 
cutting Medicare for our seniors. ``Democrats decided to respond . . . 
with a meaningless amendment.'' The New York Times editorial today, ``a 
meaningless amendment.'' We knew it was meaningless, and we know they 
are cutting Medicare from the seniors who depend on it--Medicare 
Advantage from hospitals, from nursing homes, from hospice, from home 
health care. This is robbing the people who need this care, deserve the 
care.
  If you said maybe we should take a look at Medicare, then do it, Mr. 
President, to save Medicare, to save Medicare that we know is going 
broke.
  I see the Senator from New Hampshire is here. He has been an expert 
on this topic of the budget and ways we can save Medicare. I say to my 
friend from New Hampshire, is this not true that Democrats have 
proposed a meaningless amendment but they are cutting the guts out of 
the Medicare Program on which the seniors of this country are 
dependent?
  Mr. GREGG. As usual, the Senator from Wyoming is absolutely true. The 
sense-of-the-Senate amendments we have had from the other side of the 
aisle on Medicare are political amendments meant to make a political 
statement, but they have no substantive effect. That is why I brought 
forward my amendment which hopefully will be voted on in the next 
couple of days or so which says specifically what the Senator from 
Wyoming has asked for.
  To the extent there are reductions in Medicare spending--and there 
may need to be some--that those reductions are reserved for the seniors 
for the benefit of their program and to make Medicare more solvent and 
no new programs be created on the backs of seniors by cutting Medicare 
and moving the money from Medicare over to new programs.
  My amendment is not a sense of the Senate. My amendment is a real 
amendment. It is the one chance people are going to have to vote for 
protecting Medicare and not creating new programs with Medicare money. 
And that is what it is going to be.
  Mr. McCAIN. To be clear, the amendment of the Senator from New 
Hampshire is exactly the same as the White House sense-of-the-Senate 
amendment and the Bennet amendment, only it has the actual force of 
law.
  Mr. GREGG. Absolutely. It is not exactly the same in the sense that 
it is real. Theirs is not real. Mine is real. It says you are going to 
keep the Medicare money to benefit Medicare, and you are not going to 
use the Medicare money for the purpose of creating new programs which 
have nothing to do with Medicare for people who are not on Medicare.
  Mr. ENSIGN. I say to the Senator from Arizona, another place in this 
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where they have a sense of the Senate that is not real is medical 
liability reform. Back in September, when The President addressed the 
Nation, he said defensive medicine caused by the medical liability 
crisis may be contributing to unnecessary costs; there are unnecessary 
tests.
  Let me show you the amount of money they are going to save with their 
medical liability reform sense of the Senate in this bill. That is it. 
That is how much their sense of the Senate on medical liability reform 
is going to save--zero.
  In contrast, the Medical liability reform several of us have offered 
is real medical liability reform. Several of us have been working on 
that. The savings from a real medical liability reform: $100 billion.
  We at least have said we have an amendment we are going to vote on 
later today. Let's at least do something to get the ball rolling on 
medical liability reform with the amendment we are offering today. The 
President suggested getting the ball rolling on medical liability 
reform.
  Back in 1995, Senator Ted Kennedy offered an amendment that would at 
least limit attorney's fees. These are contingencies fees. Twenty-one 
Democrats who were here back in 1995 who are here now voted for that 
limit. They are: Akaka, Baucus, Bingaman, Boxer, Byrd, Conrad, Dodd, 
Dorgan, Feingold, Feinstein, Harkin, Inouye, Kerry, Kohl, Lautenberg, 
Leahy, Levin, Mikulski, Murray, Reid, and Specter. All 21 of these 
Senators voted for caps on attorney's fees. That would at least do 
something. That would help get the ball rolling on medical liability 
reform.
  But the same thing they have done with Medicare, saying they are 
going to keep Medicare savings in Medicare, they have not done. It is 
not real. Senator Gregg has a real amendment to fix that. I have a real 
amendment to fix the medical liability reform that hopefully will be 
voted on later as well. But at least let's go for a little bit of 
compromise right now.
  Mrs. HUTCHISON. Will the Senator from Nevada yield?
  Mr. ENSIGN. I will be happy to yield.
  Mrs. HUTCHISON. Talk about liability, I have real statistics. I hear 
the other side say: Oh, we are going to lower the cost; that is what 
health care reform is about, lowering the cost of health care so more 
people will have access to affordable options. Yet the main one that is 
clearly available is medical malpractice reform, tort reform.
  I know the Senator from Nevada has an amendment, and I am a 
cosponsor. Let me give some statistics about how we could save money.
  Mr. McCAIN. May I ask the Senator from Texas, is it not true that it 
is the State of Texas that is the demonstration project for medical 
malpractice reform?
  Mrs. HUTCHISON. Exactly. And let me tell you what it has done in 
Texas and something we could do, and I think we would have bipartisan, 
100 percent support in this body because that would be reform that 
would help health care.
  Since medical malpractice and tort reform has been passed in Texas, 
over 7,000 new physicians have flooded into our State--a 7,000 
increase. The reason? Tort reform. Since passed just 5, 6 years ago, 
physicians in Texas have saved $574 million in liability premiums, and 
their liability rates have been cut an average of 27.6 percent, almost 
a 30-percent cut in premiums.
  What has this done? Today in rural counties, the number of 
obstetricians has increased by 27 percent. Twelve counties did not have 
one obstetrician before this was passed, and now they do; 24 counties 
had no emergency room physicians, and now they do; and 58 counties, in 
addition to that, have added one more.
  Rural counties are the ones that have suffered the most, and every 
State in this Union has rural counties--every one. They are the ones 
who are hurt the most. Yet the Medicare cuts will take $135 billion out 
of rural hospitals' ability to serve Medicare patients. There is no 
medical malpractice reform unless, of course, in a huge bipartisan 
effort and gesture we can adopt the Ensign amendment which we are 
offering to try to make this a bipartisan bill that can work.
  We have seen from Senator Ensign's charts that Democrats have 
supported limits on lawyer fees so that we would be able to cut back on 
the frivolous lawsuits that have been hampering our ability to cut the 
costs in Medicare.
  I appreciate so much that Senator Ensign is offering this amendment 
because Texas can show us that this will work. It would be meaningful 
reform. It would cut the costs and make health care more available and, 
most important, it will give patients the opportunity to have doctors 
in their rural communities who will not practice today because their 
liability premiums are so high they cannot afford to stay in medicine 
and give this care to those rural patients. That is what we need.
  Mr. McCAIN. May I say in the immortal words of Howard Dean, the 
former chairman of the Democratic National Committee--he put it simply:

       The reason why tort reform is not in the bill--

  Talking about this bill--

       The reason why tort reform is not in the bill is because 
     the people who wrote it did not want to take on the trial 
     lawyers in addition to everybody else they were taking on, 
     and that is the plain and simple truth. Now, that's the 
     truth.

  I totally agree with Howard Dean. I could not agree with him more.
  Mrs. HUTCHISON. If the Senator will yield, in addition to that, the 
House said: We have medical malpractice reform. They put it in their 
bill. You know what it says? There will be a State grant program and 
States can apply if they can show that they have made a meaningful 
effort at curbing frivolous lawsuits. But the only two reasons a State 
would not be eligible are if lawyer fees are capped or if damages are 
capped. Lawyer fees capped, damages capped--that is off the table. So I 
am thinking to myself--maybe the Senator from Nevada could tell me, if 
you don't curb lawyer fees and you don't curb the caps, what meaningful 
reform do you think we could get in medical malpractice?
  Mr. ENSIGN. No question, those are the two most important types of 
reforms for medical liability laws that have been placed in the 
States--my State of Nevada, Texas, California and other States. The 
caps are what have shown a reduction in the medical liability premiums 
for doctors. They are what have shown a reduction in the cost of our 
health care system.
  Mr. President, let me quote because the other side is talking about 
these contingency fees; that they need these contingency fees to take 
on these lawsuits, especially for those who are very poor. They say it 
is the only way for this to happen.
  I quote:

       Since 1960, the effective hourly rates of tort lawyers--

  These are the personal injury attorneys--

     have increased 1,000 percent to 1,400 percent (in inflation-
     adjusted dollars).
       While the overall risk of nonrecovery has remained 
     essentially constant though it has decreased materially for 
     such high end tort categories as products liability and 
     medical malpractice.

  The lawyers, basically, have created all these laws that make it 
easier for them to sue and their contingency rates have gone up 1,000 
to 1,400 percent since 1960, and yet there is no more increased risk 
and even reduced risk of nonrecovery in medical malpractice cases. It 
is easier to sue nowadays. This comes down to, are you on the patients' 
side or the trial lawyers' side? Which side are you on? We are on the 
side of the patients; the other side seems to be on the side of the 
trial bar.
  Mr. McCAIN. The Senator from Alabama.
  Mr. SESSIONS. I thank the Senator from Arizona for driving home this 
point. The reason that malpractice litigation reform is not in the bill 
is simple, plain, and known to every Member of this body because it is 
opposed by the plaintiff trial lawyers who are big supporters of 
Democratic Members of the body and the President. That is true.
  Let me ask Dr. Barrasso, can the Senator think of any other thing 
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we could do in reforming health care that could save $100 billion and 
not diminish the quality of care in America? Is there anything else? 
How do fellow doctors feel about that?
  Mr. BARRASSO. When I talk to other doctors, they tell me, across the 
board they order a number of tests, expensive tests--call it defensive 
medicine--tests that do not necessarily help a patient get better, get 
well, but just to make sure they get covered in case they are sued. It 
is not unusual, when you look at the numbers, that we are talking $100 
billion a year in tests that are done that do not necessarily help 
somebody get better, but they are doing it because of the legal 
atmosphere in this country.
  Here we are on the Senate floor on a Sunday afternoon. The President 
is less than 100 yards away, a former Member of this body. He ought to 
be involving all Senators. He is meeting behind closed doors, possibly 
cutting deals, trying to come to arrangements, twisting arms, asking 
people to march, follow his marching orders right off a cliff that I 
think is going to be coming for health care in America. I think he 
ought to be involving all Americans. We are talking to the Americans in 
this country. We are not hiding behind closed doors. People who aren't 
part of those discussions are completely cut out.
  I know my colleague from Tennessee has been outstanding and outspoken 
on these very issues, but we are here, and we want to visit with people 
because we do have solutions that work; that will not increase the cost 
of care, which is what we are seeing now; that are not going to cut 
Medicare, which is what the Democrats are proposing; that are not going 
to increase taxes, which the Democrats are proposing; and they are not 
going to drive up the premiums.
  The whole idea behind this was to get the costs under control. 
Senator Ensign's amendment does that by taking a look at the lawsuit 
abuse that we look at in this country. But I want to turn to my 
colleague from Tennessee, who I know has some more points he wants to 
make.
  Mr. CORKER. I know all of us benefit from the Senator's background as 
a physician and knowledge in the industry. I also thank the Senator 
from Arizona for spending a lifetime focusing on how special interests 
affect this body.
  I was thinking about this meeting taking place here in the Capitol 
not far from us from 2 to 3 p.m. with the President and 60 of our 
colleagues on the left, and I have this image of them being twisted up 
like pretzels because of the fact there are so many interest groups 
they have to sort of kowtow to. I have this image of a bunch of them up 
in a room with a yoga instructor, kind of loosening up, because they 
are so twisted in knots trying to basically undo all the pledges they 
have made to so many groups.
  I think about, for instance, Senator Ensign's amendment to deal with 
medical malpractice, but, no, the trial lawyers keep them from doing 
that. I think about the kinds of things Senator McCain ran on during 
his Presidential election campaign, and others of us have looked at, as 
has Senator Gregg, so that people in this country have choice; that we 
create a market system that allows people to have choice. But they 
cannot do that because the unions don't want them to do so. The unions 
don't allow them to cap the exclusion, which many of us have talked 
about. The unions keep them from doing appropriate health care reform, 
and so instead, what happens, in order to make this work? Again, they 
are so twisted up. Remember that Peter Orszag, the major guru within 
this administration regarding health care, has said the thing that will 
bend the cost curve down would be these exclusions. I am so glad 
Senator Gregg, who has the integrity and the longstanding knowledge to 
deal with this, is offering an amendment.
  Yesterday I was challenged on this by Senators on the other side of 
the aisle, but there is no doubt this bill throws seniors under the 
bus. We have an insolvent program that money is being taken from to 
create a whole new entitlement it is leveraging. If that is not 
throwing seniors under the bus, I don't know what is. So we have a 
program that is throwing seniors under the bus because the unions 
cannot be offended, the trial lawyers cannot be offended, so many other 
groups--AARP cannot be offended--and then we also lock 15 of the 31 
million Americans who are receiving health care into a program none of 
us would be a part of--Medicaid. And they do that because of their 
unwillingness to address the free market issues that would make health 
care work in this country: medical malpractice issues, addressing 
defensive medicine, capping exclusions, and those kinds of things we 
Republicans have put forth from day one.
  So I think the Senator from Arizona is doing an outstanding job 
pointing out the conflicts of interest that exist in this bill. We have 
a group on the other side of the aisle that won't address health care 
in the appropriate way, and I believe are in another room twisted up in 
knots with themselves trying to figure out a way to get out of this box 
they have put themselves into, and a President who is basically giving 
them a pep talk to keep them from getting out of the box.
  I thank the Senator so much.
  Mr. McCAIN. Our Republican leader is here on the floor of the Senate, 
and he can speak for himself, but I am sure he would appreciate the 
opportunity if the President would come and sit down and meet with us. 
I think we are all ready to have a meeting with him. Perhaps we would 
be able to give our input and recommendations as to what we need to do 
to get this bill unstuck.
  That was, as I recall, the campaign. And I am getting tired of going 
down memory lane here, but that was going to be the ``change.'' That 
was going to be the change in Washington. We are going to change the 
climate. We are all going to sit down together, Republicans and 
Democrats. Well, I think on this Sunday afternoon, we are all 
available, are we not, I would ask the Senator from Kentucky?
  Mr. McCONNELL. I would say to my friend from Arizona, normally we 
would be watching the Redskins game today, but we are here and ready to 
sit down with the President and ready to discuss with the American 
people this issue.
  You know, it was said at the beginning of the debate, if they wanted 
to come up with a bill that would pass with 80 votes, the way to do 
that is not to craft a bill that no Republican can support and end up 
in the position they are in now, trying to get every single Democrat in 
line so they can pass this bill, even though they know the American 
people are overwhelmingly opposed to it. All the surveys indicate the 
American people do not want us to pass this bill. They would like for 
us to stop, start over, and get it right, with some of the suggestions 
that have been made here on the floor today and other days during this 
debate.
  Mr. McCAIN. And we could do that, perhaps in the most effective 
fashion, if we sat down with the President and made some of the very 
points he made in his State of the Union Message.
  I want to turn to the Senator from South Dakota, but I want to 
mention something first on this issue of tort reform I have never quite 
gotten over. One of the most famous cases of the 1970s, and I think it 
spilled over into the 1980s, was agent orange, the defoliant that was 
used during the Vietnam war and which caused so many physical problems 
for our Vietnam veterans who were exposed to it. It was a big class 
action suit the trial lawyers won. The trial lawyers got paid off 
first, and Vietnam veterans died before the money was distributed to 
them. I will never get over that.
  Mr. THUNE. I think the reason we are here today is that the Ensign 
and Gregg amendments strike at the very crux and the very core and the 
very heart of what this is all about. The Democratic majority was 
unwilling to take on the trial lawyers, unwilling to do things that 
actually bend the cost curve down, such as capping contingency fees, 
and so now we are faced with voting on the Ensign amendment, which 
would do that, but we are also voting on the Gregg amendment because 
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bend the cost curve down. What they have had to resort to is cutting 
Medicare to pay for it. A $2.5 trillion expansion of the Federal 
Government has to be financed somehow, because there aren't any real 
cost-saving measures in here.
  I point out to my colleagues that in spite of all that, this is where 
we are. The Congressional Budget Office says that even with the all of 
the Medicare cuts and all the tax increases that are in here, we 
actually still increase spending in this country on health care. The 
cost curve goes up. The blue line on this chart represents the existing 
cost curve if nothing is done. If we did nothing today, that is what 
would happen. That is the blue line. The red line represents what 
happens under this bill. We actually raise the cost curve even more. 
Costs for health care in this country under this legislation go up $160 
billion.
  How does that affect the individual family? I want to show you 
exactly what this means in terms that I think most Americans can 
understand. This is the example of a family of four who today is paying 
$13,000, a little over $13,000 for their health insurance. Under this 
bill, their life doesn't get any better. In the year 2016, they are 
going to be paying over $20,000 a year in health insurance. So what 
happens is they have locked in the status quo. And that status quo is 
year over year increases, double the rate of inflation, all because 
they were unwilling to put measures in this bill that actually do 
control costs.
  If we did something along the lines of the Ensign amendment, that 
actually would get these contingency fees under control. We all have 
seen the statistics. The CBO has said that would bend the cost curve 
down.
  We have all talked to physicians in our own States. I talked last 
week to a physician from my State who, unsolicited, said that 50 
percent of the tests he does are to avoid being sued. Fifty percent of 
the tests he conducts are due to defensive medicine. That drives the 
cost of health care up for everybody. That is why the Ensign amendment 
is so important.
  Unfortunately, why we have to vote on the Gregg amendment is because 
the Gregg amendment forces the Democrats to put their money where their 
mouth is and to see if they mean what they say--that they want all 
these savings in Medicare to go into Medicare. We all know that is not 
true. To pay for a $2.5 trillion expansion of the Federal Government 
and create an entirely new entitlement, you have to take the cuts from 
Medicare and put them into this new entitlement program.
  So we are voting on a couple of amendments today that will ensure 
seniors in this country are not going to be faced with cuts to their 
benefits--home health care, nursing homes, hospitals, all those that 
receive cuts in this bill--and actually try to substitute something in 
there that would get costs under control, and would--according to the 
CBO--drive the cost curve down; would do something about this year over 
year double the rate of inflation that the average American family is 
seeing.
  This is what the CBO said would happen to the average American family 
of four if this bill passes. Today they are paying $13,000 a year--a 
family of four--and in the year 2016, they will be paying $20,000 a 
year. Tell me, how is that reform? How can anybody go to an average 
American family with a straight face and say they are reforming health 
care when all they are doing is locking in permanently year-over-year 
increases that are double the rate of inflation, and in some cases even 
going up beyond that if you have to buy your insurance in the 
individual market?
  I am glad the Senator from Nevada has offered this amendment. I am 
anxious to see how the other side votes on the amendment the Senator 
from New Hampshire has offered which would guarantee these Medicare 
savings would go back into Medicare and not be used to pay for a new 
government entitlement program at a cost of $2.5 trillion to the 
American taxpayer.
  Mr. McCAIN. I will recognize the Senator from Texas, who will be 
presiding next, and wish to add one more comment.
  Mrs. HUTCHISON. I so appreciate the opportunity to talk about these 
different areas of cuts and then the increase in spending overall, 
because everyone in America today is concerned about the spending and 
the debt and the ceiling we are about to reach.
  I wanted to bring up one more point on hospitals, because this 
affects every State in America. In Texas, 29 percent of our hospitals 
are in rural areas. The cuts in this bill will especially affect 
hospitals in rural areas. In fact, out of the $135 billion in Medicare 
cuts to hospitals, $20 billion is cuts in Medicare payments for 
treating low-income seniors and another $23 billion in Medicaid 
payments to hospitals for treating low-income patients.
  I want to read an excerpt of a letter I received this week from the 
Texas Organization of Rural and Community Hospitals, which represents 
150 rural hospitals in the State. They write:

       We also fear the Medicare cuts as proposed could 
     disproportionately hurt rural hospitals, which are the health 
     care safety net for more than 2 million rural Texans. Because 
     of lower financial margins and higher percentage of Medicare 
     patients, rural hospitals will be impacted more than urban 
     hospitals by any reductions in reimbursement. These proposed 
     Medicare cuts could have a devastating effect on many of the 
     hospitals, which could lead to curtailing of certain 
     services. And, the closure of some of these Texas hospitals 
     is a real possibility. It has happened every time previously 
     when Congress imposed so-called large-scale, cost-saving 
     measures.

  Well, this is the granddaddy of large-scale cost cuts--$500 billion, 
or $\1/2\ trillion--taken out of the hide of the hospitals that are 
treating low-income patients and seniors.
  I ask the Senator from Nevada if he is experiencing that same thing, 
and if he feels that hospitals all over our country are going to be 
hurt by this bill?
  Mr. ENSIGN. Mr. President, I thank the Senator from Texas for her 
comments, and I note that even the Congressional Budget Office has said 
when you cut, for instance, reimbursement rates, those are going to 
come out of somebody's hide. And basically, the hide it is going to 
come out of is the seniors.
  As the Senator from Tennessee said, we are throwing seniors under the 
bus. When you cut $465 billion out of Medicare, it is going to come out 
of services for seniors--if these cuts are real. And in this bill they 
are real. That is why the Gregg amendment is going to be so important.
  I know the Senator from Kansas wants to jump in, so we welcome you to 
the conversation.
  Mr. BROWNBACK. I appreciate that. I also note the Ensign amendment, 
instead of cutting, creates.
  A Robert Woods study in 2006 said caps on things such as this hold 
down awards in cases 20 to 30 percent and increases the supply of 
physicians, which is something else we need.
  I wish to give a better live example that we have in my State of 
Kansas. In the early 1980s, mid-1980s the piston engine industry of 
aircraft was just about dead. It had been sued--the aircraft industry, 
general aviation had been sued so much they were stopping making piston 
engine aircraft. Congress, finally, because the industry was dead, said 
we are going to put a 17-year statute of limitations on it so after 17 
years you cannot sue the manufacturer anymore after that period of 
time.
  It brought the industry back. They are now being made. There is a new 
plant in Independence, KS. There is another one that is making this 
aircraft because there was a limitation put, a reasonable limitation on 
manufacturing reform.
  If we do this, this will create--this will help our medical industry, 
it will hold down costs, it will increase the number of physicians. 
These sorts of changes have worked. There is no reason at all not to do 
this in this bill.
  Mr. ENSIGN. I thank the Senator from Kansas for his excellent 
remarks. I know the Senator from Florida, the newest Member, one of the 
newest Members of the body, would like to join in.
  Mr. LeMIEUX. I thank the Senator from Nevada.

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  I don't know that there is a State that is going to be more impacted 
by cuts in health care for seniors than my State of Florida, with 3 
million Floridians on Medicare, almost 1 million on Medicare Advantage. 
I think it is worth repeating what these cuts are going to mean: $137.5 
billion from hospitals that treat seniors. I talked to the director of 
a hospital district down where I am from, down in south Florida. He 
said these cuts will be devastating: $120 billion from Medicare 
Advantage, $14.6 billion from nursing homes that treat seniors, $42 
billion from health care for seniors--from home health care, and $7.7 
billion from hospice care.
  Yesterday, our friends on the other side were trying to convince us 
and the American people that there are not going to be any cuts to 
benefits. It is not going to affect health care for seniors because 
they are going to pay less, but that will just get rid of the waste and 
the fraud and the abuse.
  Everyone is against waste fraud and abuse. We have a measure on this 
side of the aisle that actually, I think, would do something about it. 
We have gone through the Reid bill to find all the provisions. My staff 
and I have been going through it, line by line, to find all the 
provisions that go after waste, fraud, and abuse--and there are some, 
to their credit. But the Congressional Budget Office has said, in their 
report that came out on November 18, the provisions that go toward 
waste, fraud, and abuse would cut $1.5 billion and create that 
efficiency. But the cuts are $464 billion. So if they are going to save 
$1.5 billion and there is going to be $464 billion in cuts, where are 
the rest of the cuts going to come from?
  It is, as my friend, the Senator from Tennessee, said, seniors are 
going to get thrown under the bus. But you are not going to be able to 
cut $464 billion, only get $1.5 billion in savings, and not cut 
benefits. So seniors who want to go to the hospital are going to have 
their benefits cut; seniors who have home health care, their benefits 
are going to get cut and all the way down the line. Everyone needs to 
understand that at its base, this is a bill that hurts seniors.
  Perhaps no State is going to be impacted more than Florida, where we 
have this huge population of seniors. I know my friend from Nevada has 
a huge population of seniors in his State. We have the highest per 
capita number of seniors. We like to say all the rest of the seniors in 
the country are eventually going to move to Florida anyway. We are 
going to have the greatest generation--we have them there now--we are 
going to have more of them living in Florida, and their health care is 
going to get cut.
  This bill cuts from health care for seniors, it raises taxes, and it 
doesn't decrease the cost of health care for the 170 million Americans 
who have health insurance now. For some, it raises it.
  For me, a new Member to this body, it does not make any sense. But 
what does make sense is what my esteemed colleague from New Hampshire 
has done with this amendment. If you are for health care for seniors 
and you do not want it to be cut and if you are true to your word that 
we have to put the savings back into Medicare, then this bill, which 
says as its purpose ``to prevent Medicare from being raided for new 
entitlements and to use Medicare savings to save Medicare''--I cannot 
imagine that anyone could vote against that amendment, because if you 
vote against that amendment, you are voting against senior health care.
  I ask my colleague from New Hampshire, who has so much experience on 
these budget issues, if this amendment is not agreed to, what is going 
to happen to the Medicare program?
  Mr. GREGG. To begin with, it is going to be reduced by $460 billion 
in the first 10 years. In the second 10 years, it will be reduced by $1 
trillion. In the full 20-year time, it will be reduced by $3 trillion. 
All those funds, all those reductions, will go to create a new 
entitlement for people who are not seniors and who probably have not 
paid into the HI trust fund, not having paid into the Medicare trust 
fund, which is an insurance program, in part.
  As a practical matter, it will take scarce resources out of the 
Medicare trust fund, which should be used to make the Medicare trust 
fund more solvent, and move them over to expand the Government in 
another place.
  It will mean that we as a government have basically used up some of 
the resources which we might want to use to make Medicare more solvent 
because it has $35 trillion of unfunded liability out there, and we 
will use up those resources to create a new Federal program which will 
not help us address this outyear insolvency of Medicare.
  It doubles the problem. First, it does not address the Medicare 
problems in the future and, second, it creates a brandnew entitlement 
which will have to be supported forever by Medicare funds, it appears.
  Mr. ENSIGN. I see the Republican whip is on the floor and wants to 
join in the fun we are having on a Sunday afternoon. Please join us.
  (Mrs. Hutchison assumed the chair.)
  Mr. KYL. I thank my colleague from Nevada. I had the opportunity, 
which we don't have very much anymore, to preside for a half hour, 
watching over a dozen of my Republican colleagues engaging in a very 
informative debate for the American people.
  It occurred to me, as my colleague from Nevada was talking about his 
amendment, which would actually reduce the cost of medicine, would 
reduce the defensive medicine practiced by physicians and, therefore, 
have a tendency to reduce health care costs, that he was doing that by 
actually attacking another problem we have been talking about; that is, 
these runaway lawsuits or these junk lawsuits that have been talked 
about.
  As a person who used to practice law, as I was listening to the 
Senator, it occurred to me that maybe I should take the microphone and 
defend the trial lawyers. So I wish to make sure I have the math right.
  Under the amendment of my colleague, there would be a cap on the 
amount of attorney's fees these lawyers could get, depending upon how 
much money they recovered for their plaintiff client; is that correct?
  Mr. ENSIGN. That is correct.
  Mr. KYL. First of all, you would get one-third of all the money you 
collected up to $150,000. That is $50,000. Then you would get one-
fourth of everything beyond that; is that correct?
  Mr. ENSIGN. My colleague is correct.
  Mr. KYL. Is my colleague aware that the average malpractice award in 
this country today is $4.3 million? Does that sound about right?
  Mr. ENSIGN. It depends on the State, but that sounds about right.
  Mr. KYL. In fact, over half of all the awards are over $1 million. As 
a poor trial lawyer, for every one of these cases--we are not talking 
about cases per year and this is per case, you can try 20, 30, 40, 50 
cases a year--so for each case, if the average award is $4.3 million, I 
am only going to keep $1.1 million. Is that fair; that the trial lawyer 
should only get $1.1 million for every one of these cases? Of course, 
the clients I am recovering the money for don't get that money. That 
money goes into my pocket.
  Mr. ENSIGN. Remember, if I would ask a practicing attorney, they also 
don't just get that percentage, they also get court costs and various 
other research they have to do. It is not that the person who was 
injured gets three-quarters; they actually get less than the three-
quarters that even this amendment would limit them to.
  Mr. KYL. Exactly so. Under the amendment of my colleague, at least 
the plaintiff, on whose behalf the lawsuit was brought, would get a 
fair amount of recovery, unlike today, when there are no caps, and we 
frequently find the person who was injured gets a very small percentage 
after the lawyer gets his chunk, the expert witnesses, other court 
costs, and so on.
  Maybe I should not defend my lawyer friends. Maybe the Senator is 
right. This is a way to attack costs. It is certainly not unfair to the 
trial lawyers and actually would benefit the people who do deserve to 
get some recovery in these cases where, in fact, they have been 
injured.
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ranking member of the Judiciary Committee, and maybe one of the two of 
you could also talk about the true victims who actually have had 
medical malpractice against them. How long does it take to get through 
the court today because of all of these frivolous lawsuits that clog 
the courts?
  Mr. SESSIONS. I think the Senator raises a very important point. It 
seems to me that there should be mechanisms created to settle cases 
much quicker, without the huge payouts going to lawyer fees and 
litigation. Don't forget, the insurance company that the doctor hires 
and that is defending the doctor charges too. That is all money going 
to increase the cost of health care.
  I have with me, today, working for me, Dr. Conrad Pierce. On a normal 
day in Alabama, he would be my Sunday school teacher today. Today he is 
working.
  He just retired. He delivered 7,000 babies. He told me, some years 
ago, that an average OB's insurance for a year is $60,000. I don't know 
whether it is still that way. That was several years ago. Some smaller 
town physicians may not deliver more than 60 babies a year. That is 
$1,000 per delivery in insurance premiums. It is driven by this 
litigation rush we are having, and the pursuit of these big verdicts 
that sometimes occur and make lawyers wealthy--and, to be fair, 
sometimes serious injuries occur and serious malpractice occurs. But I 
absolutely believe this country can, consistent with our heritage of 
allowing individuals to sue for wrongs done to them, create a much 
better system for medical malpractice. One of the steps is the one the 
Senator has mentioned in his amendment.
  Mr. ENSIGN. I appreciate that. Maybe we can have Dr. Barrasso jump 
in. I have a good friend who practices obstetrics and gynecology in Las 
Vegas, and he is a specialist in high-risk pregnancies. Because of the 
messed up medical liability situation, his insurance company limited 
the number--the same as Senator Sessions was talking about--limited the 
number of high-risk deliveries he could participate in. So if you are 
one of the unfortunate ones who got cut off--in other words, he had 
reached his cap of the number he could actually deliver, and you are a 
woman who has a high-risk pregnancy--there may not be one of the 
specialists around. Now you have to deal with just the normal OB who 
may not have the expertise.
  What does that do to not only the practice of obstetrics but, as an 
orthopedic surgeon, I am sure this kind of example plays out in many 
other areas in medicine?
  Mr. BARRASSO. Standing on the Senate floor, looking at so many 
colleagues from States with a lot of rural areas, it is a challenge to 
have people who can provide these excellent services, who are very well 
trained, know how to do it, how they can provide the services in these 
small communities. We have dealt with that in Wheatland, WY, and New 
Castle, WY, where the expense for the malpractice insurance for those 
physicians was so high that even though they didn't deliver that many 
babies in these small communities, they could not afford and the 
hospital could not afford to allow them to continue to deliver any 
babies. The amount of money they would receive from delivering babies 
was not enough to cover the insurance. In New Castle, WY, there were 
three physicians qualified to deliver, but the number of deliveries was 
such they ended up with no one delivering because they wanted to take 
one night and the next and the next. So you have communities all across 
our country that are losing highly qualified medical practitioners--
whether it is cardiologists, surgeons, trauma surgeons, whether it is 
obstetricians, gynecologist. We are seeing this all over our 
communities.
  The Senator from Tennessee is here. There are a lot of small 
communities where they are going to lose those. We are seeing it in the 
cuts yesterday for home health. Those people are not going to be 
available to deliver small community care, lifeline, homebound, keeping 
them out of nursing homes, keeping them out of hospitals.
  There are real consequences of this bill, not just with the junk 
lawsuits--that is a big part of it--but also with the Medicare cuts, 
also with the increased taxes we are seeing in this bill and how that 
is going to affect small businesses, which are the engines that drive 
the economy of this country--and profoundly.
  We heard the Senator from South Dakota show the premiums families are 
going to have to pay for insurance are going to climb faster if this 
bill becomes law than if nothing were passed. Even though the President 
promised that families in this country on average would see a $2,500-
per-year decline in premiums, the President's own numbers people say: 
Sorry, it is going to go up $2,100. That is a $4,600 shift for every 
family who tries to buy their own health insurance. That is what we are 
seeing in Wyoming.
  I ask my colleague from Tennessee if he is seeing the same things at 
home.
  Mr. CORKER. Madam President, I have just finished my second tour of 
all 95 counties in our State. In 91 of the 95 counties in our State, 
women do not have access to the types of medical services they should 
have. The reason is that this whole issue of malpractice is especially 
prevalent in the issue of OB. That is the area of babies being born. 
Obviously, a physician cannot determine if there is going to be a 
genetic deficiency of some kind or something else. But trial lawyers 
are out there waiting to ensure that no matter what happens, even if it 
is by the grace of God that something happens that is not so good, the 
fact is a trial lawyer is waiting there to take advantage of a 
physician. So they have just decided to leave that particular industry.
  We have had a bunch of side-by-side votes here. The American people 
understand the trickery that takes place. Fortunately, Senator McCain's 
favorite publication, the New York Times, pointed out what absurdity it 
was yesterday that we passed 100 to zip the Bennett amendment which 
everybody knows is toothless.
  Today, we have the opportunity to actually have a values vote. The 
American people can determine the values of each Senator. Senator 
Ensign has an amendment to cap the amount trial lawyers are paid. 
Senator Lincoln has one to cap the amount that people who are actually 
delivering health insurance are paid. This is a values vote. We have a 
nonprofit in our State that pours every bit of its money back into 
providing health insurance. Senator Lincoln's amendment would cap the 
amount that person is paid. Senator Ensign would cap the amount a trial 
lawyer is paid who is pursuing a physician and causing them to pay 
more. This is the first of a real values vote.
  Mr. ENSIGN. One clarification: We don't cap the total dollar they can 
be paid; we just cap the percentage. So even though they will cap at 
$400,000 what somebody can be paid for an insurance company, trial 
lawyers could still, because they can get up to 25 percent of the 
verdict--if the verdict is on average, as we learned from Senator Kyl, 
$4 million, they can still make $1 million on that one case, and they 
can have however many of those cases they want per year.
  Mr. CORKER. I know Senator Enzi wants the floor.
  Mr. GRASSLEY. Madam President, there are a number of issues that this 
amendment raises. Some are health care-related, most are not.
  First, this amendment amends section 162(m) of the Tax Code--a tax 
law intended to curb excessive executive compensation.
  Unfortunately, section 162(m) has been a disaster. It has encouraged 
companies to cook up complex design packages so as to avoid the 
limitations under the law.
  Actually, excessive executive compensation exploded as a direct 
result of section 162(m)--which was enacted back in 1993.
  I have consistently made it clear that the outrageous pay practices 
of many companies must stop. True pay-for-performance must be the 
cornerstone of any compensation package. And the boards of directors, 
compensation committees, and shareholders must all be partners in 
practicing good corporate governance. We should look to reform section 
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Code, not add to it. And we should look at whether Congress needs to 
reform the way corporate governance is practiced.
  This amendment adds to section 162(m). It does not reform it. This 
amendment does nothing to empower shareholders to hold the 
corporation's board accountable. All it does is hurt shareholders by 
taking money out of the company and giving it to the government.
  That is right. By limiting a corporation's deduction, shareholders 
are the ones who are disadvantaged, not the corporation.
  My friends on the other side of the aisle forget that seniors are 
often shareholders who rely on dividends and capital gains for income 
to live on day in and day out. So actually, my Democratic friends are 
enacting policies that will hurt seniors. All in an effort to show the 
country that they have it in for the big, bad insurance companies.
  I also find it interesting to hear my friends say that it is unfair 
for insurance companies to get a taxpayer funded ``subsidy'' in the 
form of a tax deduction.
  First, all corporations are allowed to deduct compensation as a 
business expense. Big, small, private, and public corporations get this 
same tax deduction.
  Are these companies getting a tax subsidy? If so, why not take the 
subsidy away from them?
  Now, my friends on the other side may argue that these restrictions 
are just like those Congress passed in 
T-A-R-P. And the way the legislation works, they would be correct.
  But, the executive compensation restrictions in T-A-R-P were 
conditions for receiving taxpayer dollars. My constituents in Iowa 
would call them bailouts.
  Now my friends may argue that health insurance companies are 
benefiting from their reforms and they should pay their ``fair share.'' 
They may also say that they are receiving the government-subsidized tax 
credits for health insurance, which is taxpayer dollars.
  The main reason why the government is subsidizing health insurance 
for low-income individuals is because the Reid bill forces people to 
buy health insurance.
  If you force people to buy insurance, you have to make sure it is 
affordable for them to buy. This has forced the government to spend 
close to $400 billion on these tax credits, which is one of most 
expensive parts of the Reid bill. And the cost of these tax credits are 
paid with higher taxes, fees, and penalties on the majority of 
Americans. Paid by many of those who earn less than $250,000 a year.
  Data from the Joint Committee on Taxation tells us that 38 percent of 
tax returns making under $200,000 in 2019 will see a tax increase under 
the Reid bill. Yet only 8 percent of tax returns in 2019 will be 
benefiting from the tax credit. That doesn't seem balanced.
  Finally, this amendment directs the revenue generated from it to the 
Medicare trust fund. I commend my Democratic friends for crafting 
policies that would help shore up Medicare. What is interesting is that 
this bill cuts Medicare. To the tune of $400 billion--that is billion 
with a B.
  And the money raised from cutting Medicare is not being directed to 
help shore up Medicare. Rather, the money is being spent on expanding 
and creating new entitlement programs. The Joint Committee on Taxation 
scored this amendment as raising $651 million over 10 years--that is 
million with an M.
  So what we have here is $400 billion in cuts in Medicare that is 
being used for other spending, in exchange for $600 million which would 
be directed Medicare trust fund. Doesn't seem like a fair trade.
  Do my friends on the other side feel guilty for using Medicare money 
for non-Medicare purposes? And to make up for this guilt, they decided 
to direct non-Medicare-related money to the Medicare trust fund?
  I will close by saying that my Democratic friends will take to the 
floor and say that anyone who votes against this amendment is ``in the 
pockets of the insurance companies.'' I will first tell my friends that 
they should look in the mirror. Then I will say opposing irrational 
policies that add complexity to our tax laws is not protecting 
insurance companies.
  Let's get on to reforming our health care system, instead of voting 
on amendments so my Democratic friends can (1) look like they are 
taking it to the insurance companies, and so they can look like (2) 
they are helping Medicare solvency.
  Mr. INHOFE. Madam President, I support the amendment offered by the 
Senator from Nevada, which I have also cosponsored, that calls for real 
reform of the medical liability system.
  A key component to health care reform in our Nation is medical 
liability reform. However, the Democrats are not actually interested in 
making changes to the current system as evidenced by the inclusion in 
this bill of ``the sense of the Senate that health care reform presents 
an opportunity to address issues related to medical malpractice and 
medical liability insurance.'' Well that opportunity has come now, with 
a vote on this amendment that will limit the amount of contingency fees 
available to trial lawyers who bring medical liability actions.
  The threat of massive lawsuits and the costs of insuring against them 
have driven doctors out of the practice of medicine, influenced doctors 
and nurses to avoid certain specialties, and in part led to the steady 
increase of health care premiums. With the threat of lawsuits hanging 
over their heads, doctors are forced to take extra precautions when 
diagnosing and treating patients through the ordering of additional 
tests and procedures. The Journal of the American Medical Association 
found that 93 percent of doctors admit practicing this type of self-
protective medicine.
  A recent study by the Pacific Research Institute estimates the cost 
of defensive medicine is at least $191 billion per year, while other 
reports put costs over $200 billion annually. According to the 
Congressional Budget Office, if Congress adopted only a few of the 
malpractice reforms we have seen various States enact, such as Texas 
and Alabama, the deficit would decrease by $54 billion over 10 years.
  At the heart of this issue, beyond the costs and savings, is the 
damage the current liability system does to the relationship patients 
have with their doctors. When physicians are afraid they could be sued, 
not only do they run unnecessary tests and procedures, but the quality 
of care patients receive is compromised. A 2003 GAO report concluded 
that defensive medicine has also contributed to access issues, 
especially in rural areas. Physicians tend to move to States and areas 
with lower liability rates, and hospitals are able to expand available 
services.
  It is estimated that attorneys' fees and administrative costs amount 
to 54 percent of the compensation paid to plaintiffs. Less than 15 
cents of every dollar awarded actually goes towards compensation for 
the individual. This amendment is not about preventing compensation to 
injured individuals; it is about increasing access to doctors and 
lowering costs. In fact, this measure allows injured plaintiffs to keep 
more of the reward. The simple truth is that lowering the cost of doing 
business allows doctors to serve more people at lower costs.
  On November 6, I received a letter from the Oklahoma State Medical 
Association, confirming that medical liability reform would reduce 
health care costs because the practice of defensive medicine adds 
billions of dollars to the yearly cost of health care. Oklahoma 
physicians pay anywhere from $20,000 to $90,000 a year, depending on 
their specialty, for malpractice insurance, and their yearly costs have 
risen astronomically since 1999 to the point that some specialties, 
like OB-GYNs, have had to change careers or move to other States where 
State malpractice reform is already in place. Since 1999, Oklahoma OB-
GYNs have seen their yearly malpractice costs rise from $15,000 to 
$63,000.
  Meaningful malpractice reform must be a part of any comprehensive 
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issue. As my colleagues mentioned yesterday, this amendment was 
actually proposed by Senator Kennedy in 1995, with the support of many 
current Senators on the other side of the aisle. It will be very 
interesting to see just how serious the Democrats are about health care 
reform. The bill has a ``sense of the Senate'' recognizing medical 
malpractice costs are a problem. We will see if they think it is 
important to really do anything about it.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Brownback). The Senator from Wyoming.
  Mr. ENZI. Mr. President, the time for the colloquy has, 
unfortunately, expired. The balance of the time goes to the Senator 
from Iowa. I thank everybody for their participation.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Iowa is recognized.
  Mr. GRASSLEY. Mr. President, I rise to speak in favor of the 
amendment of the Senator from New Hampshire.
  Because as I have been saying, the people who wrote the excesses of 
the Reid bill appear willfully ignorant of what is going on in the rest 
of the economy outside of health care.
  We are a nation facing very challenging economic times with 
industries in financial crisis and Federal debt increasing to all-time 
highs.
  So we should be considering a bill that would create jobs and prevent 
this country from being burdened with a bigger and more unsustainable 
Federal budget instead of this health bill.
  But instead, we are now considering a bill that cuts half a trillion 
dollars from the Medicare Program to fund yet another unsustainable 
health care entitlement program.
  You have heard from Members on this side of the aisle about how 
flawed this approach is and how these drastic Medicare cuts will 
threaten beneficiary access to care.
  Medicare's chief actuary at the U.S. Department of Health and Human 
Services has warned Congress in his report that these cuts could 
jeopardize access to health care for beneficiaries.
  In fact, a number of Members on the other side of the aisle have made 
clear that they share our concerns when they joined us to vote in favor 
of motions to eliminate these cuts.
  Most of the Members on the other side of the aisle, however, claim 
that this bill does no such thing.
  They claim that Medicare money is not being used to start up yet 
another unsustainable entitlement program that we clearly can't afford.
  They claim that the Reid bill doesn't technically change the law on 
guaranteed benefits for beneficiaries.
  They are ignoring the fact that while those benefits may be 
technically guaranteed, if the cuts put health care providers out of 
business, then those guarantees will be nothing more than useless words 
in the Medicare Act.
  Guaranteed benefits are not worth much without health care providers 
who can treat patients, provide home health services, run the hospitals 
and hospice agencies.
  These claims are not good enough to assure seniors who have paid into 
the Medicare Program all these years. It is not good enough for 
protecting access to the health care services and benefits they were 
promised.
  So the Gregg amendment would back up those claims with a real 
enforceable mechanism to ensure that Medicare savings aren't being used 
to fund a new program.
  The Gregg amendment is needed to protect the Medicare Program.
  After all, if you knew that the Medicare Program already had $37 
trillion in unfunded obligations, would you be assured without an 
enforcement mechanism to back up those promises?
  No guarantee is worth the paper it is written on without an 
enforcement mechanism to back it up. Otherwise, it is just a 
meaningless guarantee. It is not real without an enforcement mechanism.
  The Gregg amendment provides that enforcement mechanism. It makes the 
guarantee real.
  Opposition to the Gregg amendment will shine a light on the issue. If 
the Gregg amendment is not approved, it should be clear to everyone 
watching that all the guarantees they are making that Medicare is 
protected in the Reid bill are, in fact, worthless. As a result, I hope 
that everyone will be watching carefully how the other side votes on 
the Gregg amendment.
  Now supporters of the Reid bill trumpet the fact that their drastic 
and permanent Medicare cuts extend the life of the program.
  I agree that we can't ignore the pending insolvency of the Medicare 
Program.
  The Medicare hospital insurance trust fund started going broke last 
year. In 2008, the Medicare Program began spending more out of this 
trust fund than it is taking in.
  The Medicare trustees have been warning all of us for years that the 
trust fund is going broke. They now predict that it will go broke right 
around the corner in 2017.
  But rather than work to bridge Medicare's $37 trillion in unfunded 
liabilities, this bill cuts half a trillion dollars from the Medicare 
Program to fund yet another unsustainable health care entitlement 
program.
  By diverting Medicare resources elsewhere, this bill ignores other 
major problems in the Medicare Program, like fixing the physician 
payment flaw with the sustainable growth rate formula, or SGR as it is 
known.
  So the few years of extended life this bill would give to the 
Medicare hospital insurance trust fund is a Pyrrhic victory.
  Because the drastic and permanent Medicare cuts in this bill will 
worsen health care access and quality.
  And the Reid bill leaves problems that have long been vexing Congress 
like the fatally flawed physician payment formula unsolved.
  The Reid bill will leave Congress with few options for fixing these 
problems.
  So the Gregg amendment is essential for protecting the Medicare 
Program. It is essential for making those guarantees real.
  The way the Gregg amendment works to enforce those guarantees is 
quite simple.
  The Gregg amendment would make sure that the Medicare Program is not 
used as a piggy bank to spend for other purposes. It would make sure 
that the Medicare Program is not being raided to fund this new program 
as the other side claims.
  Under this important amendment, the director of the White House 
Office of Management and Budget and Medicare's chief actuary would both 
be required to add up non-Medicare savings in the bill and compare that 
total to the total of new spending and revenues in the bill.
  If non-Medicare savings don't offset all the new costs, then the 
Treasury Secretary and the HHS Secretary would be prohibited from 
implementing the new spending or revenue provisions in the bill.
  By doing so, the Gregg amendment would ensure that the non-Medicare 
savings are paying for the new spending in this bill. And it would 
ensure that Medicare itself is not being used to pay for the new 
spending in the bill.
  It is that simple.
  The amendment therefore would prevent massive government expansions 
at the expense of Medicare beneficiaries.
  As you can see, this amendment has teeth. This amendment is real.
  As opposed to a mere nonbinding sense of the Senate resolution that 
the other side has offered to pretend to protect Medicare, the Gregg 
amendment requires action to protect the Medicare Program.
  The Gregg amendment is the enforcement mechanism for the guarantees 
the other side says they are making to protect Medicare benefits.
  Slashing Medicare payments to start up another new unsustainable 
government entitlement program is not the way to address a big and 
unsustainable budget.
  That is why I support the Gregg amendment. And I urge my colleagues 
to do the same.
  Vote to protect Medicare.
  Vote to keep Medicare from being used to fund a separate new program.
  Vote to keep Medicare funds from being siphoned off.
  Vote to put in place a real guarantee that Medicare funds won't be 
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  Vote to back up those promises with real action.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Franken). The Senator from Wyoming.
  Mr. ENZI. What is the status of the time?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The minority has 50 seconds remaining, and the 
majority has 16 minutes 48 seconds.
  Mr. ENZI. I will reserve the remainder of my time.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Illinois.
  Mr. DURBIN. I ask unanimous consent to be recognized for 5 minutes 
under the majority time.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. DURBIN. Mr. President, one of the amendments we are about to 
consider is offered by the Senator from Nevada.
  We know medical malpractice is an issue in this country. The 
Institute of Medicine tells us that 98,000 Americans die each year from 
medical malpractice. Many more are injured. In the United States of 
America each year, there are about 11,000 medical malpractice claims 
paid.
  There is a concern about the impact of medical malpractice on the 
practice of medicine. That is why President Obama and this legislation 
were looking together for ways to reduce medical malpractice, 
negligence, and errors. We are looking for ways to reduce any number of 
lawsuits that may not be necessary. That is a good and positive thing 
for us to do.
  Unfortunately, the amendment offered by the Senator from Nevada is 
not a good amendment to achieve that goal because what the Senator from 
Nevada does is puts together a formula for compensating the lawyers who 
represent the victims of medical malpractice and reduces the amount of 
money that is available. I want every single dollar we can bring to the 
victims of medical malpractice, but the fact is, in our country today, 
most victims are not wealthy, and the only way they can bring a lawsuit 
is if the lawyer says it is a contingency fee. If you, the victim, win, 
then I will be paid. If you lose, I am not paid. It is the only way 
many people of modest means can get into a courthouse.
  The Senator from Nevada wants to limit the amount of money that can 
be paid to the attorneys, limit the opportunity for victims to be 
represented. If his goal is to reduce the money paid to lawyers, you 
would think the amendment would also reduce the money paid to defense 
lawyers, those insurance company lawyers who are at the other table in 
the courtroom. Studies show that 50 percent more is paid to them than 
paid to the victims' lawyers. But the Senator from Nevada does not 
restrict their payment in any way. In other words, if you are going to 
try to defeat a victim of medical malpractice in a courtroom, you can 
spend an unlimited amount of money, according to the Senator from 
Nevada. However, if you are going to represent that victim, he would 
limit the amount of money that counsel, that attorney can be paid. It 
will mean fewer victims will have lawyers, and maybe some of the 
lawyers they have will not be the best because of the amendment offered 
by the Senator from Nevada. That is bad policy. It is not fair to the 
victims because many of these victims are innocent victims.
  I recall a woman in Chicago who went to one of our more famous 
hospitals for the simple removal of a mole from her face. She was 
administered a general anesthesia, and during the course of the general 
anesthesia, the oxygen, which she was receiving, exploded, caught fire, 
and burned off her facial features. She went through repeated 
reconstructive surgery, scarring, disfigurement, pain and suffering.
  She was an innocent victim. She did nothing wrong. She wanted to make 
sure her medical bills were paid, her lost wages were paid, there was 
compensation for her pain and suffering. She was not a wealthy person. 
She went to an attorney, who said: I will take the case, but it is a 
contingency. If you win, I am paid. If you lose, I am not paid.
  What the Senator from Nevada does with his amendment is limit the 
opportunity for innocent victims, just like her, to go into a 
courtroom, into our court of justice, and see justice at the end of the 
day. That is not a just result. We need to stick with this bill, which 
moves us forward, with innovative ways to reduce medical errors, reduce 
medical malpractice, and find ways to resolve the differences between 
medical providers and the patients in the fairest possible way. That is 
what this bill does. That is what we should do.
  The amendment that has been offered by the Senator from Nevada fails 
to reach that goal and is fundamentally unfair and unjust to victims 
who are just asking for a day in court and for the compensation which 
they deserve for their injury.
  Mr. President, I reserve the remainder of my time.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Montana.
  Mr. BAUCUS. Mr. President, I yield 2 minutes to the Senator from 
Arkansas.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Arkansas.


                           Amendment No. 2905

  Mrs. LINCOLN. Mr. President, I think it is so important we look at 
the choice we will be making when we vote on this amendment in a few 
minutes. It is very simple. When health insurance reform becomes law, 
health insurance companies will receive millions of new customers 
purchasing their product for the first time.
  My amendment is intended to encourage those insurance companies to 
put the additional premium dollars they will be bringing in with the 
volume of new customers back toward lowering their rates and making 
more affordable coverage for consumers, not putting it in their own 
pocketbooks.
  Where health insurers spent more than 90 cents of every dollar on 
patient care in the early 1990s, that number has decreased dramatically 
to just over 80 cents for every dollar in 2007, and even more so in 
recent years.
  According to testimony delivered in the Senate Commerce Committee 
earlier this year, this trend has translated into a difference of 
several billion dollars in favor of insurance company shareholders and 
executives at the expense of health care providers and their patients.
  I think it is so important we understand what it is. This amendment 
does not dictate what insurance companies can pay their executives. 
They have the complete ability to pay what they choose. It is not a 
salary cap. But it does limit the American taxpayers' subsidization of 
outrageous pay and, instead, devotes those resources to protecting 
Medicare.
  A vote for this amendment is a vote in support of strengthening the 
Medicare trust fund. A vote against this amendment is a vote in support 
of having the IRS write a check of $650 million to the health insurance 
companies to subsidize the multimillion-dollar salaries they are paying 
their executives.
  So I urge my colleagues to support this effort on behalf of the 
American taxpayer and our seniors and to vote in favor of our 
amendment.
  Mr. BAUCUS. Mr. President, how much time is remaining on our side?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. There is 9 minutes 39 seconds remaining.
  Mr. BAUCUS. Mr. President, I yield 9 minutes 39 seconds to my 
esteemed friend from Vermont.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Vermont.
  Mr. LEAHY. Mr. President, I thank the senior Senator from Montana.


                           Amendment No. 2927

  Mr. President, let me wear my hat as chairman of the Senate Judiciary 
Committee and talk about the amendment we are going to vote on to cap 
attorney fees. It is a one-sided amendment. It does not hurt attorneys. 
It hurts injured Americans who seek to recover damages in our court 
system. It may not be obvious to the nonlawyers listening to this 
debate that many ordinary Americans who suffer an injury through 
another's negligence cannot afford to pay for the legal representation 
they need to go to court.
  Our legal system allows for a plaintiff and an attorney to negotiate 
to determine what the compensation is going to be. In these cases, the 
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sign a contract where the attorney may agree to work on a case with no 
compensation at all unless the victim ultimately receives compensation 
from the doctor or hospital responsible for the injury. This is called 
a contingency fee. In other words, a judge and a jury have to agree 
that person was injured and deserves this compensation. The parties do 
not do that. This allows all Americans, not just the wealthy, to have 
their day in court.
  It should also be noted that if a judge believes a compensation 
agreement is unfair to the victim, or if they believe it is 
disproportionate, the judge has the power to reduce the fee. I believe 
this is the same in virtually every State in this country. States have 
regulated the area of attorney compensation extensively, striving for 
reasonableness. States have done this. Doesn't that make the most sense 
that the States decide?
  Let's not forget that lawyers only are compensated if the client's 
case is successful and if a jury finds that a wrong was committed and 
if that jury finds they should be compensated. This is not some kind of 
windfall. It is the result of an attorney's very hard work to redress a 
wrong.
  The pending amendment would override all of these traditional 
considerations. It would impose a flat cap on all attorney fees for 
significant injuries. But the amendment would not cap the attorney fees 
of those representing a negligent hospital or doctor. That hospital, 
those doctors--their insurance companies could pay any amount of money 
they wanted, for example, in the case--and there have been cases like 
this--where the wrong leg was amputated by mistake or a person was 
given the wrong medicine and they end up paralyzed.
  But this amendment says, if that person who was paralyzed wants to 
sue, we are going to cap the amount of compensation that could be 
possibly paid to their attorney. But for the person who wants to escape 
liability for giving the wrong medicine that paralyzed a patient--their 
insurance companies, their hospitals--they can pay all however much 
they want for attorneys. They can pay their own counsel 10 times what a 
plaintiff's attorney might get in their effort to prevent a hospital or 
doctor from being held liable for that horrible mistake.
  Trust me, this gives a defendant every incentive to prolong 
litigation. Why should they settle? Why should they admit wrongdoing? 
They have the deep pockets. Yet through this amendment, a plaintiff 
would be limited by the actions of the Senate--made up of 100 people 
who can afford a lawyer, unlike many of the people who are injured? And 
so are we going to say that the Senate has capped what a plaintiff's 
lawyer can get? By the way--wink, wink, nudge, nudge--if you are the 
hospital, the insurance company for a doctor or somebody who has done a 
grievous wrong, just keep this thing rolling long enough because you 
have the money and you can just beat it down.
  When a patient receives more than $150,000 in medical expenses or 
compensatory or other damages, it is because the injury is severe and 
ongoing or because it resulted in death. Those patients are going to 
have a tougher time finding someone to hold the person who harmed them 
accountable. Adding this insult to injury does not further the laudable 
goals of the pending health care bill. We should be increasing patient 
safety and health, not punishing those who have already been injured by 
wrongdoing.
  I understand that yesterday the junior Senator from Nevada identified 
several prominent Democrats as having supported a similar amendment 
offered by Senator Kennedy a decade ago in a Republican-controlled 
Senate. I am not surprised by this tactic, given the disappointing 
tenor of the debate. Of course, upon a review of the actual vote, 
anyone would see that several Senators in this Chamber, including this 
one, opposed a motion to table Senator Kennedy's amendment. That is 
hardly the same as advocating a cap on fees.
  It is also worth noting that in 1995, the Senate was considering a 
draconian products liability bill, not a health care bill. At that 
time, the then-Republican majority was attempting to go further than 
any other Congress in history to prevent injured Americans from 
recovering damages from the corporations that hurt them or their 
children.
  I am relieved that legislation in 1995 never became law. I can see 
why some might have wished it had. Maybe they knew what was going to 
come because after that, what came to light were many recent incidents 
of harmful products that had been introduced into commerce--many of 
them toys for little children--and nothing could have been done about 
it had that bill become law. If that bill had become law, I fear we 
would have seen many more deaths or serious injuries among children as 
a result of faulty products.
  I find it ironic, given the often-professed loyalty to the 
sovereignty of the States and the sanctity of private contracts, many 
on the other side of the aisle now seem to have no concerns about the 
vast Federal intrusion into these areas of traditional State control 
that this and other medical malpractice reform proposals represent.
  Basically they are saying: Oh, we are all for States rights and 
sovereignty of the States except when it may cost some of the big 
insurance companies some money. We are all in favor of the sanctity of 
private contracts--except when it may cost some of the big insurance 
companies some money.
  So I am going to oppose the amendment offered by Senator Ensign. It 
is unfair. It will only hurt Americans who have already been injured by 
making it more difficult for them to gain access to our court system.
  I yield the floor.
  Mr. BAUCUS. Mr. President, how much time remains on this side?
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. A minute and a half.
  Mr. BAUCUS. A minute and a half. I yield 1 minute to my friend from 
California.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from California.
  Mrs. BOXER. Mr. President, I thank the Senator.
  I have been listening to this debate. It has been very interesting. 
It is very clear what this amendment does. It hurts the victims who, 
through no fault of their own, get hurt in a medical malpractice case 
by essentially making it very difficult for them to get the best 
attorneys. Some of these cases cry out for the best attorneys.
  But let me tell you, I have been in Congress since the 1980s. When a 
House Member or a Senator gets into trouble, do you know the first 
person they call? An attorney--the best attorney--and they do not come 
on this floor and say: Oh, let's make sure those attorneys do not earn 
enough money. They are willing to pay whatever it takes with their 
campaign accounts. By the way, that is all legal.
  But I find it amazing that Senators--who the first person they call 
when they are in trouble through their work is an attorney--would wind 
up going after victims the way they do. When they are a victim of a 
problem, as they see it, they get the best attorneys and they pay the 
high price. It is just not right.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Thirty seconds remain.
  Mrs. BOXER. I hope we will defeat the Ensign amendment.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Montana.
  Mr. BAUCUS. Mr. President, let me, in closing, remind Senators that 
the Senate is about to conduct two back-to-back votes. The first vote 
will be on the Lincoln amendment on executive compensation. The second 
vote will be on the Ensign amendment on attorney's fees.
  Mr. President, I yield back the remaining time.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Fifteen seconds remains on the minority side.
  The Senator from Nevada is recognized.
  Mr. ENSIGN. Mr. President, the Ensign amendment is going to come down 
to a choice: Are you on the side of the patients or are you on the side 
of the trial bar, personal injury attorneys. That is what it comes down 
to. Personal injury attorneys will be able to, on their contingency 
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$150,000 they will be able to collect
33\1/3\ percent. Anything above that, we are going to cap them at 
collecting 25 percent.
  This was from an amendment that was offered in 1995 by Senator Edward 
Kennedy. Twenty-one Members of the current Democratic majority who were 
also Members of the Senate in 1995 who voted for that amendment. Let's 
see how that vote comes out today. It is the right amendment. Let's be 
on the side of the patient instead of the side of the personal injury 
attorneys.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. All time has expired.
  The question is on agreeing to the Lincoln amendment.
  Mr. BAUCUS. Mr. President, I ask for the yeas and nays.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there a sufficient second?
  There appears to be.
  The clerk will call the roll.
  The assistant legislative clerk called the roll.
  Mr. DURBIN. I announce that the Senator from West Virginia (Mr. Byrd) 
is necessarily absent.
  Mr. KYL. The following Senator is necessarily absent: the Senator 
from Kentucky (Mr. Bunning).
  Further, if present and voting, the Senator from Kentucky (Mr. 
Bunning) would have voted ``nay.''
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Are there any other Senators in the Chamber 
desiring to vote?
  The result was announced--yeas 56, nays 42, as follows:

                      [Rollcall Vote No. 365 Leg.]

                                YEAS--56

     Akaka
     Baucus
     Bayh
     Begich
     Bennet
     Boxer
     Brown
     Burris
     Cantwell
     Cardin
     Casey
     Dodd
     Dorgan
     Durbin
     Feingold
     Feinstein
     Franken
     Gillibrand
     Hagan
     Harkin
     Inouye
     Johnson
     Kaufman
     Kerry
     Kirk
     Klobuchar
     Kohl
     Landrieu
     Lautenberg
     Leahy
     Levin
     Lincoln
     McCaskill
     Menendez
     Merkley
     Mikulski
     Murray
     Nelson (NE)
     Nelson (FL)
     Pryor
     Reed
     Reid
     Rockefeller
     Sanders
     Schumer
     Shaheen
     Snowe
     Specter
     Stabenow
     Tester
     Udall (CO)
     Udall (NM)
     Warner
     Webb
     Whitehouse
     Wyden

                                NAYS--42

     Alexander
     Barrasso
     Bennett
     Bingaman
     Bond
     Brownback
     Burr
     Carper
     Chambliss
     Coburn
     Cochran
     Collins
     Conrad
     Corker
     Cornyn
     Crapo
     DeMint
     Ensign
     Enzi
     Graham
     Grassley
     Gregg
     Hatch
     Hutchison
     Inhofe
     Isakson
     Johanns
     Kyl
     LeMieux
     Lieberman
     Lugar
     McCain
     McConnell
     Murkowski
     Risch
     Roberts
     Sessions
     Shelby
     Thune
     Vitter
     Voinovich
     Wicker

                             NOT VOTING--2

     Bunning
     Byrd
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. On this vote, the yeas are 56, the nays are 
42. Under the previous order, requiring 60 votes for the adoption of 
amendment No. 2905, the amendment is withdrawn.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote, and I move to 
lay that motion on the table.
  The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, I have had a brief conversation this 
afternoon with the Republican leader. We originally were not going to 
offer a side-by-side to the Gregg amendment. We have one more vote. We 
would like Senators Gregg and Pryor to lay down their amendments after 
that. Because we have told everybody we wouldn't be voting late 
tonight, we need to complete work on these matters in the morning. So 
we will debate this tomorrow.
  It is my understanding that tomorrow there will be a bipartisan 
amendment on abortion. We can debate the Pryor and Gregg thing in the 
morning, and then we will debate abortion, and we will be able to 
dispose of the Gregg and Pryor matters no earlier than 3:15 tomorrow. 
So we are going to be debating these two things tomorrow.
  I say this off the subject: We have been grinding things out here for 
some time on a very partisan basis. I was confronted yesterday with an 
issue. We are here working on a Sunday. We had the President come here 
to talk to the caucus. The Republican leader said: I don't really think 
that is fair. Why should we be out of session? It is your caucus. So I 
said: You keep talking; you can preside. I had no concern about any 
untoward action taken. In a situation such as that, I had no problem. I 
trust implicitly Senator McConnell and Senator Kyl.
  I hope that is kind of a breakthrough here. We have to start trusting 
each other. It is rarely done. I have never seen that happen before. I 
think it is the right thing to do. I am disappointed that there weren't 
more Democrats listening to what they had to say. From a procedural 
perspective, I never doubted that everything would go fine.
  We are going to have one more vote. We will not be in session much 
longer today.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The minority leader is recognized.
  Mr. McCONNELL. Mr. President, I thank the majority leader. I did 
suggest yesterday that, since the President was not meeting with us, we 
had nothing constructive to do during that hour. I suggested that we be 
allowed to speak. We worked that out in our first bipartisan moment on 
this bill, as he indicated.
  With regard to the agenda tomorrow, as the majority leader indicated, 
we have the Gregg amendment, the Pryor amendment, and the abortion 
amendment. We will have an additional amendment on this side as well. 
That is up to four.
  Mr. REID. A counter to the abortion amendment or something like that?
  Mr. McCONNELL. No.
  Mr. REID. Just an additional amendment.
  Mr. McCONNELL. Yes.
  Mr. REID. Mr. President, I don't really know who is going to offer 
the amendment tomorrow for sure, but it is an issue I want to get out 
of the way. I think we all do. So it is OK. It will be our slot, no 
matter who will be the first person on the amendment.


                           Amendment No. 2927

  The PRESIDING OFFICER. There is now 2 minutes of debate prior to a 
vote in relation to amendment No. 2927 offered by Senator Ensign.
  The Senator from Nevada is recognized.
  Mr. ENSIGN. Mr. President, the 2,074-page health care bill before us 
has a provision on medical liability reform. Here are the savings: 
zero.
  Back in 1995, Senator Edward Kennedy offered an amendment on 
liability reform to cap attorney's fees. Twenty-one current Democratic 
Senators, who were Members at that time, voted for that amendment. This 
chart lists the Members who were in the Senate then.
  The Members from the other side of the aisle have made arguments that 
plaintiffs need these contingency fees to be that high. Let me quote an 
abstract of a study written in the Washington University Law Quarterly:

       Since 1960, the effective hourly rates of tort lawyers have 
     increased 1,000 to 1,400 percent (in inflation-adjusted 
     dollars), while the overall risk of nonrecovery has . . . 
     decreased materially for such high-end tort categories as . . 
     . medical malpractice.

  Mr. President, the complete study that I just quoted an abstract of, 
is entitled, Effective Hourly Rates of Contingency Fee Lawyers: 
Competing Data and Non-Competitive Fees. I would urge all of my fellow 
Members to review that study.
  Let me also quote from Howard Dean, who said:

       The reason why tort reform is not in the bill is because 
     the people----

  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator's time has expired.
  Mr. ENSIGN. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent for 30 more 
seconds.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. LEAHY. Reserving the right to object. If the Senator receives an 
extra minute, then we will have an extra minute on this side.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  Mr. ENSIGN. Howard Dean said:

       The reason why tort reform is not in the bill is because 
     the people who wrote it did not want to take on the trial 
     lawyers in addition to everybody else they were taking on, 
     and that is the plain and simple truth. Now that's the truth.

  That is a quote from Howard Dean.

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  We have a choice. We can be on the side of personal injury attorneys 
or we can be on the side of the patients. I think we should be on the 
side of the patients and vote for the Ensign amendment.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Vermont.
  Mr. LEAHY. Mr. President, it is hard to respond to all the 
inaccuracies in the statement of the junior Senator from Nevada.
  One, incidentally, he may be interested in knowing, as I was leaving 
Burlington, VT, this morning after saying goodbye to a number of our 
Guard members I ran into Howard Dean. He hopes we will pass the bill 
that is on the floor.
  Second, the motion he talks about and those who voted, including this 
Senator, was a procedural motion on a question of tabling Senator 
Kennedy's amendment. We thought he should be allowed to have a vote. It 
was not a vote in favor of caps.
  Lastly, if you look at what he has done with this amendment, he is 
saying that the insurance companies and the hospitals or somebody who 
may have cut the wrong leg off or paralyzed you by giving you the wrong 
medication, they can spend all the money they want to stop you from 
getting any relief. You, however, will be limited and the Federal 
government will override the laws of your State and tell you what you 
can contract for on fees with your attorney.
  In other words, the people who caused the damage can spend any amount 
of money they want to escape liability from the damage. The poor 
individual who has been damaged would not have an equal chance at 
recompense. Come on. Is the Senate actually going to vote for something 
like that? I would hope not.
  Mr. ENSIGN. I ask for the yeas and nays.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there a sufficient second?
  There is a sufficient second.
  The question is on agreeing to amendment No. 2927.
  The clerk will call the roll.
  The legislative clerk called the roll.
  Mr. DURBIN. I announce that the Senator from West Virginia (Mr. Byrd) 
is necessarily absent.
  Mr. KYL. The following Senator is necessarily absent: the Senator 
from Kentucky (Mr. Bunning).
  Further, if present and voting, the Senator from Kentucky (Mr. 
Bunning) would have voted ``yea.''
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Are there any other Senators in the Chamber 
desiring to vote?
  The result was announced--yeas 32, nays 66, as follows:

                      [Rollcall Vote No. 366 Leg.]

                                YEAS--32

     Alexander
     Barrasso
     Bond
     Brownback
     Burr
     Coburn
     Corker
     Cornyn
     DeMint
     Ensign
     Enzi
     Grassley
     Gregg
     Hagan
     Hutchison
     Inhofe
     Isakson
     Kohl
     Kyl
     Lieberman
     Lincoln
     Lugar
     McCain
     McConnell
     Murkowski
     Roberts
     Sessions
     Snowe
     Thune
     Vitter
     Voinovich
     Warner

                                NAYS--66

     Akaka
     Baucus
     Bayh
     Begich
     Bennet
     Bennett
     Bingaman
     Boxer
     Brown
     Burris
     Cantwell
     Cardin
     Carper
     Casey
     Chambliss
     Cochran
     Collins
     Conrad
     Crapo
     Dodd
     Dorgan
     Durbin
     Feingold
     Feinstein
     Franken
     Gillibrand
     Graham
     Harkin
     Hatch
     Inouye
     Johanns
     Johnson
     Kaufman
     Kerry
     Kirk
     Klobuchar
     Landrieu
     Lautenberg
     Leahy
     LeMieux
     Levin
     McCaskill
     Menendez
     Merkley
     Mikulski
     Murray
     Nelson (NE)
     Nelson (FL)
     Pryor
     Reed
     Reid
     Risch
     Rockefeller
     Sanders
     Schumer
     Shaheen
     Shelby
     Specter
     Stabenow
     Tester
     Udall (CO)
     Udall (NM)
     Webb
     Whitehouse
     Wicker
     Wyden

                             NOT VOTING--2

     Bunning
     Byrd
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. On this vote, the yeas are 32, the nays are 
66. Under the previous order requiring 60 votes for the adoption of 
this amendment, the amendment is withdrawn.
  Mr. DURBIN. Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote and to lay 
that motion on the table.
  The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Oklahoma.
  Mr. COBURN. Mr. President, I am going to ask to have printed in the 
Record a letter dated December 1, 2009, from the insurance commissioner 
of the State of Oklahoma--she happens to be of your party, the 
majority's party--outlining the significant problems that she sees for 
our State if this bill becomes law. This is not a partisan document. 
This is a document that relates to what is going to happen to Oklahoma.
  If I might summarize, very shortly: It will increase premium costs 
and increase the number of uninsured people in Oklahoma. That is 
according to our State insurance commissioner, who is of your party. It 
will decrease the amount of availability of insurance to people who do 
not have insurance today.
  The letter states it will not rein in the cost. In fact, it will 
increase costs for everybody else in the State of Oklahoma. It will 
drive up costs and increase the number of uninsured. It will increase 
the costs for the private plans, negatively impacting medical providers 
and the health delivery system in Oklahoma, and it will encourage fewer 
businesses in Oklahoma to offer benefits.
  That is a fairly strong indictment from somebody who cares about the 
people of Oklahoma and what is going to happen in health care.
  Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to have printed in the Record 
this letter from the State insurance commissioner of Oklahoma.
  There being no objection, the material was ordered to be printed in 
the Record, as follows:

                                    Oklahoma Insurance Department,


                                            State of Oklahoma,

                              Oklahoma City, OK, December 1, 2009.
     Re Senate Leadership Bill Patient Protection and Affordable 
         Care Act.

     Senator Tom Coburn,
     Russell Senate Office Building,
     Washington, DC.
       Dear Senator, I appreciate the opportunity to give you an 
     Oklahoma perspective on the latest health care reform measure 
     being considered by the US Senate. As you are well aware, the 
     challenges associated with health care in America are 
     immense. These complex problems require solutions grounded in 
     fact and sound deliberation.
       Large numbers of uninsured Oklahomans generate more than 
     $954 million dollars in uncompensated medical care each and 
     every year in our state alone. This cost is shifted to those 
     with insurance. Recent estimates indicate that this adds an 
     additional $2,911 annually to health insurance premiums for 
     an Oklahoma family of four.
       As Oklahoma Insurance Commissioner, I strongly support 
     efforts to provide our citizens with high quality health care 
     and affordable health insurance. Many features of the Senate 
     Bill attempt to accomplish this, at least in part, when taken 
     together. However, in the absence of a strong inducement to 
     purchase coverage, the consequences of adverse selection can 
     cause market disruption, higher costs and lower than desired 
     take-up rates.


                           Impact to Oklahoma

       (1) Individual Mandate:
       The Oklahoma Health Care Authority has estimated that there 
     are nearly 600,000 uninsured working Oklahomans--nearly half 
     between the ages of 19 and 32. There is no indication that 
     most of those uninsured would voluntarily enroll in any 
     health benefit plan.
       Our popular Insure Oklahoma individual plan offers 
     comprehensive, guaranteed issue coverage to individuals 
     earning less than 200% of federal poverty level for less than 
     $40 per month, yet we have only 6,000 covered by that plan 
     and most are over age 30. A healthy 25-year-old male in 
     Oklahoma can purchase a comprehensive individual health 
     insurance policy from a major Oklahoma medical insurer for 
     just $1,634 annually. In Oklahoma, affordability is not the 
     issue for this age cohort. Therefore, we support an 
     individual mandate to purchase health insurance that includes 
     a strong inducement to take up health coverage to avoid the 
     likelihood of adverse selection when only the older and 
     healthier are motivated to enroll.
       The Senate Leadership bill includes a minor penalty for 
     non-enrollment scheduled to be phased in over a three year 
     period beginning in 2014. The penalty is $95 the first year, 
     increasing to $750 in year three. This penalty is inadequate 
     to induce a large-scale take up of health coverage among 
     Oklahoma's uninsured. Even with generous premium credits, the 
     absence of a strong non-

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     compliance penalty will not encourage the desired and 
     necessary take-up among the young and healthy to offset the 
     greater risk and cost of the older and unhealthier.
       (2) Guarantee Issue:
       The Senate Leadership bill would require insurers to offer 
     individual plans on a guaranteed issue basis without pre-
     existing condition limitations. We support guaranteed 
     coverage when accompanied by a mandate to purchase coverage 
     that is strongly enforced. The absence of a meaningful 
     penalty for non-enrollment will likely result in those with 
     chronic or serious health issues purchasing coverage while 
     younger healthier individuals simply choose to pay the 
     nominal penalty. The result will be higher insurance rates 
     due to a higher percentage of insured being higher risk/
     expense individuals.
       (3) Qualified Health Benefit Plans (QHBP):
       The Senate Leadership bill would establish ``Qualified 
     Health Benefit Plans'' and require all individual/family 
     plans to conform to QHBP standards by 2014. While the minimum 
     coverage requirements are suitable for some, they restrict 
     individual choice and limit the ability of healthy and/or 
     wealthier individuals from self-insuring part of their risk.
       (4) Rating Standards:
       The Senate Leadership bill would restrict the use of risk 
     factors in determining rates to geographic area, smoking and 
     age and would limit age bands to a 3:1 ratio. The age band 
     restriction will shift the cost of the older individual to 
     the younger individual. Blue Cross estimates that this factor 
     alone will increase the base cost for a healthy 25-year-old 
     by 44 percent in Oklahoma. This higher cost burden on the 
     young will further discourage coverage take-up and drive up 
     costs to the remaining insured's.
       (4) Employer Penalties:
       The Senate Leadership bill would impose a penalty on 
     employers who do not offer coverage equal to $750 for any 
     employee who purchases coverage through a state exchange. 
     This penalty is inadequate to induce an employer to establish 
     a plan. Most employers who do not offer coverage have fewer 
     than 50 employees (only 37 percent of Oklahoma small 
     businesses offer coverage compared to 48 percent nationally) 
     and most uninsured Oklahomans work for small businesses. This 
     nominal penalty creates a potential incentive for certain 
     small employers who currently offer coverage to employees to 
     drop their plan and simply incur the penalty at less expense 
     than the cost of a plan--particularly once the small employer 
     tax credits sunset.
       (5) State-Based Health Insurance Exchanges:
       The Senate Leadership bill would require the formation of 
     state-based exchanges from which individual coverage would be 
     solely available and small group insurance may be purchased. 
     While we support the state-based exchange concept and are 
     currently in the planning stages for a similar concept here 
     in Oklahoma, the infrastructure costs have been estimated in 
     the millions of dollars. In the absence of a financial grant, 
     current state budget limitations will preclude Oklahoma from 
     making the necessary investment to create the exchange.
       (6) Public Health Insurance Option:
       The Senate Leadership bill would allow for a federal 
     ``Public Health Insurance Option'' from which states may opt-
     out. Oklahoma would likely resist participation as long as 
     the private insurance market remains robust and competitive. 
     Although the bill provides that the federal government would 
     ``negotiate'' provider rates, experience with Medicare and 
     Medicaid suggests that reimbursement rates for a federal 
     public option would result in low reimbursement rates.
       Currently, our medical provider community relies on private 
     pay to make up the difference in cost of services over 
     government reimbursement rates resulting in higher private 
     insurance rates--more cost-shift. In addition, we have 
     concerns over the potential for government to assert an 
     unfair advantage that would adversely affect our insurance 
     markets and further stress our health care delivery system.
       (7) Health Insurance Cooperatives (Co-Ops):
       The Senate Leadership bill would provide funding to 
     establish non-profit health insurance ``co-ops,'' We question 
     the likelihood that this notion will produce a lower cost 
     option while meeting all requirements stipulated in the bill 
     (specifically, benefit and solvency requirements). Some of 
     the principles embodied in this idea already exist. For 
     example, Oklahoma's largest health insurer, with nearly 30% 
     of the Oklahoma health insurance marketplace, is a mutual 
     company owned by policyholders for the benefit of 
     policyholders.
       (8) Premium Credits:
       The Senate Leadership bill would provide ``Premium 
     Credits'' for individuals with incomes up to 400% of FPL. The 
     majority (approximately 65%) of Oklahoma's uninsured 
     population have incomes less than 250% of FPL. Currently, 74% 
     of Oklahoma's total population has incomes of 400% of FPL or 
     less.
       (9) Medicaid Eligibility Expansion:
       The Senate Leadership bill would increase eligibility 
     requirements for Medicaid. Recently, the Oklahoma State 
     Coverage Initiative (SCI) process reached consensus and 
     recommended that Medicaid be extended to adults with incomes 
     up to 100% of FPL. The Senate Leadership bill would expand 
     eligibility to all non-elderly persons with incomes up to 
     133% of FPL. This would increase Medicaid rolls by an 
     estimated 285,000 adults and the state's annual cost share by 
     $116 million. This rough estimate is based on current 
     Medicaid experience and does not include working-aged 
     individuals who have not accessed reasonable and timely 
     medical care due to an inability to pay. Our concern is that 
     the cost of this expansion for the state is severely 
     underestimated.
       (10) Long-Term Care:
       The Senate Leadership bill would provide for a federal, 
     voluntary long-term care insurance plan. This plan appears to 
     directly compete with the private insurance market based on 
     reasons other than need.
       (11) Anti-Trust Exemption:
       The Senate Leadership bill would leave in place the anti-
     trust exemption established by the McCarren-Ferguson Act. We 
     support such a decision. This exemption has long provided for 
     a more competitive insurance marketplace and has facilitated 
     solvency among carriers.
       (12) Controlling Cost:
       As mentioned in the opening of this letter, coverage is 
     essential to increasing access to affordable health care. 
     However, this bill does very little to address rapidly 
     increasing health care costs. Data shows that the number one 
     driver in health insurance premium costs are increased 
     medical costs and utilization. As you know, on average, 
     between $0.80 and $0.90 of every premium dollar for a 
     comprehensive health plan is spent directly on benefits to 
     policyholders.
       In Oklahoma, we are studying the issue of rising costs as 
     it relates specifically to our non-profit self-insured state 
     plan. Medical costs for the Oklahoma State Employee and 
     Education Group Insurance plan have increased an average of 
     10% annually in recent years.
       Of concern to us are reports from the CBO and others that 
     the Senate reform plan will reduce premium costs. In 
     actuality, we believe premium costs will rise substantially 
     if adverse selection is allowed to occur and if the cost of 
     medical care is not addressed. While the generous premium 
     subsidies contemplated by the bill will indeed reduce an 
     individual's expense in financing their health care needs (a 
     strategy we agree is necessary to ensure affordability), 
     health insurance premiums will not be lower.
       Again, I thank you for the opportunity to provide this 
     perspective and I hope that you have found it helpful. If you 
     wish to further discuss this matter, please do not hesitate 
     to contact me at anytime.
           Sincerely,
                                                      Kim Holland,
                                                     Commissioner.

  Mr. COBURN. Mr. President, I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from New Hampshire.
  Mr. GREGG. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to call up my 
amendment No. 2942.
  I see the Senator from Arkansas is standing. I thought I was supposed 
to offer my amendment first. Is the Senator from Arkansas supposed to 
go first?
  Mr. PRYOR. I believe the sequence was that I would go first.
  Mr. GREGG. I will reserve.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Arkansas.


                Amendment No. 2939 to Amendment No. 2786

  Mr. PRYOR. Mr. President, I call up amendment No. 2939.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will report the amendment.
  The legislative clerk read as follows:

       The Senator from Arkansas [Mr. Pryor] proposes an amendment 
     numbered 2939 to amendment No. 2786.

  Mr. PRYOR. I ask unanimous consent that further reading of the 
amendment be dispensed with.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  The amendment is as follows:

  (Purpose: To require the Secretary to provide information regarding 
 enrollee satisfaction with qualified health plans offered through an 
                 Exchange through the Internet portal)

       On page 134, between lines 10 and 11, insert the following:
       (4) Enrollee satisfaction system.--The Secretary shall 
     develop an enrollee satisfaction survey system that would 
     evaluate the level of enrollee satisfaction with qualified 
     health plans offered through an Exchange, for each such 
     qualified health plan that had more than 500 enrollees in the 
     previous year. The Exchange shall include enrollee 
     satisfaction information in the information provided to 
     individuals and employers through the Internet portal 
     established under paragraph (5) in a manner that allows 
     individuals to easily compare enrollee satisfaction levels 
     between comparable plans.

  Mr. GREGG. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the amendment 
of the Senator from Arkansas be

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set aside so I may call up my amendment.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.


                Amendment No. 2942 to Amendment No. 2786

  Mr. GREGG. Mr. President, I call up amendment No. 2942.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will report the amendment.
  The legislative clerk read as follows:

       The Senator from New Hampshire [Mr. Gregg], for himself, 
     and Mr. Corker, Mr. Thune, Mr. Coburn, Mr. Ensign, Mr. 
     Isakson, Mr. Burr, Mr. Enzi, Mr. Alexander, Mr. Barrasso, Mr. 
     Cornyn, Mr. McCain, and Mr. LeMieux, proposes an amendment 
     numbered 2942 to Amendment No. 2786.

  Mr. GREGG. I ask unanimous consent that the reading of the amendment 
be dispensed with.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  The amendment is as follows:

 (Purpose: To prevent Medicare from being raided for new entitlements 
             and to use Medicare savings to save Medicare)

       At the appropriate place, insert the following:

     SEC. ___. PREVENTING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF NEW ENTITLEMENTS 
                   THAT WOULD RAID MEDICARE.

       (a) Ban on New Spending Taking Effect.--
       (1) Purpose.--The purpose of this section is to require 
     that savings resulting from this Act must fully offset the 
     increase in Federal spending and reductions in revenues 
     resulting from this Act before any such Federal spending 
     increases or revenue reductions can occur.
       (2) In general.--Notwithstanding any other provision of 
     this Act, the Secretary of the Treasury and the Secretary of 
     Health and Human Services are prohibited from implementing 
     the provisions of, and amendments made by, sections 1401, 
     1402, 2001, and 2101, or any other spending increase or 
     revenue reduction provision in this Act until both the 
     Director of the Office of Management and Budget (referred to 
     in this section as ``OMB'') and the Chief Actuary of the 
     Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services Office of the 
     Actuary (referred to in this section as `` CMS OACT'') each 
     certify that they project that all of the projected Federal 
     spending increases and revenue reductions resulting from this 
     Act will be offset by projected savings from this Act.
       (3) Calculations.--For purposes of this section, projected 
     savings shall exclude any projected savings or other offsets 
     directly resulting from changes to Medicare and Social 
     Security made by this Act.
       (b) Limit on Future Spending.--On September 1 of each year 
     (beginning with 2013), the CMS OACT and the OMB shall each 
     issue an annual report that--
       (1) certifies whether all of the projected Federal spending 
     increases and revenue reductions resulting from this Act, 
     starting with the next fiscal year and for the following 9 
     fiscal years, are fully offset by projected savings resulting 
     from this Act (as calculated under subsection (a)); and
       (2) provides detailed estimates of such spending increases, 
     revenue reductions, and savings, year by year, program by 
     program and provision by provision.

  Mr. PRYOR. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that no further 
amendments or motions be in order today.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
  The Senator from North Dakota.
  Mr. DORGAN. Mr. President, this issue of health care and health care 
reform has been an issue that has caused a great deal of advertising 
and claims on television from both sides, back and forth. A substantial 
amount of the advertising we have seen has been totally and completely 
without foundation--completely inaccurate. But, nonetheless, political 
dialogue in this country allows one to say whatever one wishes, so the 
very aggressive discussion about this issue of health care has taken on 
interesting tones--claims by some that Congress is working to undermine 
the Medicare Program.
  The fact is, those of us on this side of the aisle are the ones who 
created the Medicare Program, at a time when most senior citizens had 
no health insurance at all. There were no insurance companies in this 
country tracking down senior citizens and saying: Do you mind if we 
sell you a policy for health care? At a time when people's lives were 
going to need an increasing claim on health care benefits, were 
insurance companies tracking them down and saying: Can I do business 
with you? Of course they weren't. Over half the American people had no 
access to health insurance. Folks reaching the end of their lives, 
retired, would lay their head down on their pillow at night and wonder 
if tomorrow would be the day they would get sick and have no health 
insurance coverage; and wonder if they would get sick, who would treat 
them or how they would find the money to provide for themselves. So the 
fact is, this Congress created something called Medicare at a time when 
it was decided that maybe we should put together a program to give 
senior citizens an opportunity to be covered with health care.
  It was decried as socialism--unbelievable--when we tried to put 
together this government program to provide Medicare for senior 
citizens. Some old guy in a little town in North Dakota one night, at a 
town meeting, got up, and he was so angry with the government. He shook 
his hand as he spoke. He was a thin, older guy, and his neck was 
coursing out and bulging so that I thought he was going to have a heart 
attack right there, shouting about the government. At the end of the 
meeting, an elderly woman took me aside and said: You know what, I hope 
you are not upset with Ernie because he's been pretty emotional about a 
lot of things. He just had open heart surgery and he gets kind of 
emotional about things.
  So I saw the gentleman as he was leaving, and I sidled up to him and 
I said: I understand you just had open heart surgery, and he said: 
Yeah. So I asked him if his surgery was covered by Medicare, and he 
said it was. I said: Well, there is at least one government program 
that works. He said: Medicare ``ain't'' government. It just ``ain't'' 
government.
  Well, of course, it is government. The reason he had health insurance 
coverage was because we--that is we the government, the Congress, the 
American people--decided we weren't going to let people come to the end 
of their years and not have health insurance coverage.
  Some might say: Well, yes, you put together Social Security and 
Medicare and now you have trouble financing it. That is true. That is 
true. We have trouble financing it because of success. We can handle 
success. Our country can handle success. People are living longer and 
better lives these days--longer and better lives--and they claim more 
health care during those extra 5, 10 or 20 years they are living.
  I have often told my colleagues that I have an 89-year-old uncle who 
runs in the Senior Olympics. He runs the 50 meter, the 100 meter, and 
the 200 meter. He runs the 100 meter in under 19 seconds at age 89. 
Would that have happened 30 years ago? Not likely. But people are 
living longer and healthier lives and it causes some strain on Social 
Security and Medicare, but we can deal with success. Surely, we can 
deal with success.
  Now we are talking about a system of health care that doesn't work 
for everybody or it doesn't work very well for many people and it works 
very well for some others. But should we do nothing or should we decide 
to try to tackle this question?
  I walked into a restaurant about 2 weeks ago, and I saw what several 
of my colleagues have seen: advertisements on the wall. This particular 
restaurant, as you walk through the door, has a plate glass window up 
to the ceiling, and it had a couple of advertisements on it. Both of 
them were advertisements for people who needed to raise money to try to 
pay for their health care costs--spaghetti dinners, bake sales, various 
things to ask people to come and chip in some money for their health 
care needs.
  Let me read a few of them. I will not read the name, but this one is 
a benefit for Chris's family: A spaghetti feed and silent auction is 
going to be held from 5 to 7:30 p.m. to benefit Chris. He is a 
sheriff's deputy who was shot in the head and the abdomen while on duty 
and is still recovering at a rehabilitation hospital outside of Denver, 
CO. They will have a spaghetti feed and silent auction to try to raise 
the funds to benefit that family for their needs.
  Here is a spaghetti supper, silent auction, bake sale, free-will 
offering for supper or donations to be made to the Duane fund at the 
Community National Bank. He has stomach cancer that has spread to other 
areas and is undergoing various treatments and needs help with medical 
and living expenses.

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  This is what you see on the side of the wall in cafes, posted to a 
bulletin board downtown: A burger supper and free-will offering to be 
held for Amy. In July, Amy was diagnosed with uterine cancer, which has 
metastasized to the lymph nodes. She has had surgery and is now 
undergoing chemotherapy radiation and needs to raise funds for health 
care costs.
  Here is a pancake breakfast to be held for Sean in the school 
cafeteria. Scrambled eggs, pancakes, and sausage will be served, and 
there will be a free-will offering. Sean's infant daughter was born 
with a heart defect and needs corrective surgery and a lengthy stay in 
the hospital. The staff is hosting the event to defray the expenses so 
they can provide the funds to try to afford this very expensive medical 
treatment.
  Joyce is the mother of Brandy. Brand is a 16-year-old who was 
involved in a car accident weeks after her parents decided to give up 
their health care coverage so they could afford mortgage payments. The 
family had a meatball and mashed potato dinner benefit last month to 
help pay for Brandy's health care needs.
  I have a long list. The list goes on, and one wonders whether we 
should be oblivious to that, that we walk into the business places in 
the downtowns and the Main Streets of our communities and see that 
there are many people who have to have a spaghetti supper or burger 
feed to see if they can raise enough money just to get to the hospital, 
just for transportation, let alone the surgery, let alone the medical 
treatment.
  I think it is the worst, not the best of our political system that 
when we debate these things, there is so much misinformation, so much 
bad information that is alleged about legislation to try to deal with 
health care.
  It is interesting to me, I do not know of an attempt of a government 
takeover of the health care system. I have heard it 1,000 times on this 
floor. I am not familiar with any legislation that has been discussed 
that represents a government takeover of health care. I am just not 
familiar with it. Maybe it exists in some cubbyhole someplace, but I 
have not seen it. But I know why the allegation comes to the floor 
every day--because it works. Scare the devil out of people. Somebody is 
trying to have a complete government takeover of the health care 
system. I wouldn't support a government takeover of the health care 
system. I wouldn't support it. I do support Medicare. By the way, that 
is a government-created system to make sure all citizens have access to 
health care because the private industry is not going to get there. 
They didn't prior to Medicare, and they wouldn't now if we didn't have 
Medicare.
  The very people who come and talk about government health care, it is 
interesting they do not come to the floor of the Senate offering an 
amendment that would abolish Medicare. I don't understand--if, in fact, 
they really do not like this at all, they should be offering an 
amendment that abolishes the Medicare Program, saying it is just not 
worthy, to have a system in which the government tries to guarantee 
health care for America's seniors. The reason I think they do not is 
they agree with Medicare. They believe Medicare should exist, and as a 
result, they support a form of government health care, at least for 
senior citizens.
  What I want to do briefly--I will talk more about that later. I am 
going to offer an amendment. I expect it will be tomorrow night or 
Tuesday.
  I see Senator Grassley is on the floor. He has been a cosponsor of 
this legislation, Senator Snowe, Senator McCain and others--many on my 
side--Senator Stabenow. There are a lot of folks who have worked on 
this, the issue of prescription drug importation. I want to make a 
couple of comments about that. I have not been on the floor speaking 
about the health care much until now, and I will be offering this 
amendment; I guess it will either be tomorrow evening or I expect it to 
be on Tuesday. But I want to make a couple of comments about it because 
I think it is very important.
  I don't think you can leave the issue of health care, having tried to 
do things about the escalating costs--some people talk about bending 
the cost curve, whatever that means. All I know is, putting the brakes 
on increasing costs at the time they are skyrocketing is important for 
businesses, for families, for individuals. The question is, What about 
prescription drugs? How can we possibly leave that subject behind?
  There are a whole lot of people in this country who are taking 
prescription drugs to manage their diseases and keep them out of an 
acute-care bed in a hospital. Cholesterol-lowering medicine, blood 
pressure-lowering medicine--a whole lot of people take both every day 
of their lives and do so to manage health care problems. Yet what they 
see with brand-name prescription drugs is a dramatic increase in 
prices. I want to just give some examples.
  This year alone, the average price of brand-name prescription drugs 
has gone up 9.2 percent, well over quadruple the rate of inflation. 
Justification for that? I see none. Should we do something about it? 
Should we try to put the brakes on some of this? I think we should. 
Let's look at some examples. Enbrel, for arthritis, up 12 percent in 
2009; Nexium, for ulcers, up 7 percent in 2009; Lipitor, up 5 percent; 
Singulair, for asthma, up 12 percent; Plavix, up 8 percent; Boniva, for 
osteoporosis, up 18 percent this year.
  All of us understand--you watch television in the morning and brush 
your teeth, you have a television set there someplace, and they are 
saying to you: Do you know what you should be doing? You should be 
going to talk to your doctor. You should talk to your doctor and see 
whether the purple pill is right for you.
  I don't know what the purple pill is, but the television commercial 
is pretty seductive. You almost feel like: I ought to find a doctor 
someplace; maybe I am missing something; maybe the purple pill is right 
for me.
  The list go goes on and on. Flomax, Lipitor--you name it, they are 
advertising it relentlessly. Go ask your doctor whether these pills are 
right for you.
  The problem is, the American people, with respect to the price of 
prescription drugs, are charged the highest prices in the world. Not 
even close--brand-name prescription drugs cost much more here than 
anywhere else in the world.
  I have in my desk something I would like, by consent, to show. These 
are two bottles of Lipitor. This is, by the way, the most popular 
cholesterol-lowering drug in America. These bottles, as you can see, 
are the same shape. These pills are made in the same place. They are 
made in Ireland and then shipped around the world. This bottle was 
shipped to the United States. This bottle, with 20-milligram tablets of 
Lipitor, was shipped to the United States. You get to buy them as a 
U.S. consumer for $4.48 per tablet. This bottle--one is red, one is 
blue, same size, same pills, same company--this bottle went to Canada, 
same 20-milligram tablets. No, it was not $4.48, which the American 
consumer paid, it was $1.83. It does not matter whether it is Canada, 
Italy, Spain, Germany, France--I would cite exactly the same numbers in 
terms of the American people being told they should be paying double, 
triple, in some cases quadruple what other people are paying for 
exactly the same prescription drug.
  On this chart, this represents inflation--the yellow line. This 
represents the increased prices for prescription drugs--the red line--
which I think demonstrates clearly why something ought to be done.
  A group of us have put together a piece of legislation that is 
simple, and, in my judgment, very effective in addressing this problem 
that the American people are charged the highest prices in the world 
for brand-name prescription drugs.
  An example of that, I sat on a straw bale out on a farm once about a 
year or so ago with some people at a town meeting. One of the old guys 
out there--he was about 80 years old--he said: My wife and I have 
driven to Canada every 3 months so she could buy Tamoxifen to treat her 
breast cancer.
  I said: Why did you do that?
  He said: Because we can't afford to buy Tamoxifen in the United 
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bought it for one-fifth of the price in Canada of what it would cost 
us. My wife has been fighting breast cancer--in her late seventies 
now--for 3 years, and the only way we could afford the drug was to 
drive into Canada.
  Most people cannot drive into Canada. There is an informal 
opportunity for people to bring back a 3-month supply on their person 
if they go to Canada. Most Americans cannot possibly do that. But the 
same drug is sold all over the world by the major drugmakers, and the 
difference is they charge the highest prices to the American people.
  The question is this: Why shouldn't the American people have some 
freedom--the freedom to shop for that same FDA-approved drug wherever 
it is sold if it is sold at a fraction of the price? The answer is, 
they should have that freedom. Our legislation gives them that freedom.
  I assume there will be people coming here and saying: If you pass 
this legislation, that allows the American people to access, through 
pharmacists or through registered wholesalers, these identical FDA-
approved drugs for a fraction of the price. If you do that somehow, we 
are worried we will have an unsafe drug supply, we are worried about 
counterfeit drugs.
  In this legislation I put together with my colleagues, Senator Snowe, 
Senator Stabenow, and Senator Grassley--a wide range, bipartisan group 
of Senators--that is pretty unusual. This is a bipartisan amendment, by 
the way. But in our legislation, we have the significant changes that 
are necessary to ensure safe drug supply, not just those you would ship 
in but those you buy here. We talk in our legislation about batch lots 
and pedigree and a whole series of things. So you track every drug 
right back through the chain of custody, right to its manufacturer, and 
that is something we do not do today.
  When we offer this, the question is, Do we have the votes to get this 
passed? We have tried for a long time. We have been rebuffed here and 
there for various reasons.
  There is a supposed ``deal'' that has been struck with the 
pharmaceutical industry, for $80 billion. I think the pharmaceutical 
industry has something like $220 billion a year in revenues, so that is 
$2.2 trillion over 10 years. A very small fraction of that $220 billion 
was agreed to by the White House, I guess, and somebody here in 
Congress.
  One of my colleagues who served here years ago said, ``I am not for 
any deal I am not a part of.'' Most Members of the Senate were not part 
of any deal. So my expectation is, the time and place and reason to 
offer this is right now. We can't do health care and leave behind this 
question of the cost, the price of prescription drugs.
  I think the drug industry is a fine industry. I want them to succeed. 
I want them to be profitable. I want them to be successful. I want them 
to produce the new miracle lifesaving drugs, and by the way, much of 
that comes from public investments we make in the National Institutes 
of Health. But I just want them to change their pricing strategy. Why 
should the American people be paying the highest prices in the world?
  Europe has had a strategy--it is called parallel trading--that they 
have had in place over 20 years. If you are in England and want to buy 
a drug from France, no problem. If you are in Spain and want to buy a 
drug from Italy, no problem. They have done it for 20 years 
successfully. Somehow, people are suggesting that we can't do what the 
Europeans do? That is nonsense.
  We are going to offer this legislation: Myself, Senator McCain, I 
mentioned Senator Stabenow, Senator Grassley--there are so many Members 
of the Democratic and Republican side on this. We will offer this 
legislation, and I hope we will have the 60 votes necessary to pass it. 
I hope finally, at last--at long, long last--we will have enough people 
standing on the floor of Senate who will say: You know what, I am on 
the side of the American people here. I am not interested in having the 
American people pay the highest prices in the world for prescription 
drugs. How about some fair pricing for a change, fair pricing for the 
American people? And how about some freedom, freedom for the American 
people to access those identical drugs where they are sold at a 
fraction of the price? Why restrict the freedom of the American people? 
Everybody talks about this being a global economy. Well, that is so 
when it benefits everybody else, but what about a global economy that 
benefits the consumer when they want to access an FDA-approved drug 
when it is sold elsewhere for a half, quarter, or eighth of the price?
  Let's give people a little freedom. I hear people talk about freedom 
on the floor of the Senate. This will be a bill in which we decide 
whether we want to give the American people the freedom to access those 
low-cost prescription drugs.
  I am going to have a lot to talk about when we offer this amendment.
  Just this year, again, just this year the price of prescription drugs 
has increased 9.2 percent.
  I showed the chart. There is no reason that brand-named prescription 
drugs should be on a stepladder like that. What about the people who 
struggle, trying to figure out how to buy those drugs? Does anybody 
care about them?
  They say the deal that was made with the pharmaceutical industry 
affects what is called the doughnut hole, and 50 percent of the 
doughnut hole is being filled if they buy brand-named--I don't care 
about that. That is a recipe for a stew I was not part of making. What 
I do care about is a whole lot of folks going to the grocery store 
where the pharmacy is in the back of the store and they are trying to 
figure out, what do these drugs cost me this time when I fill them so I 
know how much money I have left to buy food. Over and over in this 
country, people are making those choices. There is no excuse for a 9-
percent increase in these brand-name prescription drugs this year, in 
anticipation of health care reform.
  The fact is, health care reform ought to contain the kinds of things 
that begin to put brakes on this.
  I am not saying you put the brakes on it by imposing government 
pricing. I am saying you put the brakes on it by giving the American 
people the freedom to access those drugs where they are sold at a 
fraction of the price they are sold here. And you give the American 
people that freedom, I guarantee you, they will shop where they get the 
best price on identical drugs, FDA approved. It will force the 
pharmaceutical industry to reprice drugs in the United States.
  A couple quick points in conclusion. President Barack Obama was a 
cosponsor of this legislation last year when he was a Senator. The 
Chief of Staff at the White House, Rahm Emanuel, was one of the leaders 
in the House on this legislation last year when he served in the House. 
It tells you a little something about the breadth of support that 
exists or existed for this. Somebody told me at the door as I came in: 
We are not sure the White House is supporting this. I fully expect the 
White House to support an amendment they supported last year in the 
Senate.
  There are big issues and small issues. This issue is an important 
issue. A lot of us have worked for a long time to get it right. We have 
been thwarted by a very powerful industry that has a lot of friends in 
this town. I am hoping the consumers have a lot of friends as well. A 
lot of people are out there struggling to try to figure out how to 
afford the prescription drugs they need to take. A whole lot of folks 
are deciding, I guess what I will do is get the prescription drugs the 
doctor says I should have, and I will cut them in half and see if I can 
make that work somehow. The next time they show up at the counter, it 
is 9 percent more.
  I say knock off a little of that advertising. There are different 
reports, but there are some reports that say they spend more money on 
marketing promotion and advertising than they do on research. How about 
knocking off a little of that advertising if that is causing some of 
the relentless price increases.
  I want to begin the discussion because we will have a full discussion 
on this when it comes to the floor. It will be either tomorrow 
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joining me on the floor and many of my colleagues on both sides of the 
aisle to see if we can't finally lift this piece of legislation and get 
it over the finish line. It is important for the American people.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Iowa.
  Mr. GRASSLEY. Mr. President, I had a chance to hear the Senator from 
North Dakota. I am not rising to speak on that issue right now, but I 
support him in that effort. I thank him for working with my staff over 
a period of years to develop a bill that does not violate any of our 
trade agreements. That is an important aspect of the work of the Senate 
Finance Committee on which I serve. I look forward to that debate 
coming up.
  Mr. DORGAN. Will the Senator yield for a question?
  Mr. GRASSLEY. I yield.
  Mr. DORGAN. I wanted to say it is so rare for us to have a bipartisan 
amendment. Those of us who have worked on this, including Senator 
Grassley and Senator McCain and many on my side, will be faced once 
again with the charge that this would undermine safety and so on. I 
wanted to make the point that Senator Grassley was one of those who 
especially worked with us--and Senator McCain--to make sure we had 
safety in this legislation, pedigrees, batch lots, safety that does not 
exist now even in domestic supply, let alone imported drugs.
  I appreciate the Senator from Iowa working with us on this 
legislation. This is a good piece of legislation. I look forward to 
seeing the Senator from Iowa on the floor when we get it to the floor 
to have that debate.
  Mr. GRASSLEY. I thank Senator Dorgan. He gave a very good description 
just now of how careful this piece of legislation--of which I am a 
cosponsor--would go not only to make price transparency and price 
competitiveness much better for the American consumer but to guarantee 
the same safety we would for drugs imported as we do for drugs produced 
here.
  I rise to speak in a generic way about this 2,074-page bill that is 
before us, to speak about people who have raised questions about 
whether this bill is or is not a first step toward a government 
takeover of health care. I take the position that it is definitely a 
first step in that direction. If you spend a little bit of time 
watching any of the cable news stations, you will hear someone talking 
about how the current health reform proposals represent a government 
takeover of our health care system. The phrase ``government takeover'' 
has become a common talking point for people opposed to this pending 
bill. Unfortunately, these opponents rarely explain why this bill 
warrants such a claim, that it is a step toward government takeover of 
the entire health care system or the nationalization of health care. 
Supporters of these bills don't do much better as well. These 
supporters dispute the claim but at the same time they seem unaware of 
all the new roles and responsibilities the Federal Government is taking 
on in this 2,074-page health care reform bill. I want to explain why I 
see the pending bills as a government takeover of our health care 
system.
  I don't come to the floor to scare people or misinform them. I am 
more than willing to listen to different points of view. But if I am 
going to use the phrase ``government takeover,'' I want to make sure 
other Senators--and particularly my constituents in Iowa--know what I 
am talking about. I wish to start with the simplest example of 
government takeover, the government-run plan. It is sometimes referred 
to as the public option. This one seems to be pretty straightforward. 
In other words, the government-run plan is a pretty straightforward 
example that people can understand the government getting more 
involved.
  If you wonder maybe sometimes why the public at the grassroots is a 
little bit concerned about the takeover of health care by the Federal 
Government, remember that it was only a few months ago the Federal 
Government nationalized General Motors, as an example, and has 
partially nationalized individual banks and financial institutions--in 
a sense, taking a big step toward nationalizing the whole financial 
system with the Federal Reserve system's intimate involvement and the 
Secretary of the Treasury's intimate involvement in a lot of decision 
making there or decisions that affect the entire financial system.
  We are here with the prospect of building upon other things that have 
happened this year, having the Federal Government take over health 
care. The public option is one step in that direction. I see a 
government-run plan, whether it is an opt out, an opt in, a trigger or 
a straight government plan paying Medicare rates, as this country's 
first step toward a single-payer system. A single-payer system is a 
government-run system, one system for the entire country, as in Canada, 
without options or choices that people have. I don't want you to take 
my word for it.
  Let's look at a quote from Representative Jan Schakowsky of Illinois:

       A public option will put the private insurance industry out 
     of business and lead to single payer.

  I have another quote by Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts:

       If we could get a good public option it could lead to 
     single payer, and that's the best way to reach single payer.

  Judging by these quotes, I would say both of these prominent Members 
of the Democratic party agree that the so-called public option is a 
first step toward government taking over our health care system. But we 
don't need to rely only upon sound bites. Let me explain why I see the 
government-run plan leading to a single-payer system. The government-
run plan may start out with some rules to keep it from having an unfair 
advantage over private insurers. Supporters might say it is on a level 
playing field with private insurers. They may say it would have to pay 
the same rates, form networks, and be independently solvent. But I 
remind people, when they hear those promises today, why something the 
government is doing can be competitive and not unfair competition with 
the private sector.
  Those same kinds of promises were made during the Medicare debate way 
back in 1965. Supporters of the bill in 1965 promised the new 
government health insurance program would not interfere with the 
practice of medicine and would pay fair reimbursement rates. But over 
time, as the costs of the program exceeded projections, the government 
broke promises it made. The pending bills represent a government 
takeover of our health care system, because I believe the same thing 
that happened in 1965 with Medicare, the government breaking its 
promises, will also happen with the so-called public option.
  In fact, I want to quote from a recent Wall Street Journal article:

       Any policy guardrails built this year can be dismantled 
     once the basic public option architecture is in place . . . 
     That is what has always happened with government health 
     programs.

  Isn't that what Representative Schakowsky and Representative Frank 
were saying? Start in a very simple way, saying to people the private 
sector needs competition. Government will give that competition. But 
start with a government-run plan so you can end up with a single-payer 
system, regardless of how innocent it sounded when you first started 
out. Slowly but surely, the government plan would take over the market. 
This is just one example of why I see the pending bills as a government 
takeover of our health care system. But there are others.
  I wish to take a look at some health insurance reforms that are 
within this bill. All of these insurance reforms aren't bad as separate 
items. But coupled with all the bad things in the bill, it makes it 
difficult to sort out the good things.
  For instance, I support stronger rules and regulations for private 
insurers. This is within the principle of the Federal Government's 
constitutional power to regulate interstate commerce, going way back to 
1944 or 1945. The Supreme Court ruled that. Then Congress passed the 
McCarran-Ferguson Act and gave it right back to the States to do, where 
it has been basically regulated. But this bill brings a lot of that 
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do support some stronger rules and regulations. Congress should make 
sure that people are not discriminated against because of preexisting 
conditions, and people should not have to stay up at night worrying 
about whether their insurance will be there when they get sick and need 
it most, just as you wouldn't want your fire insurance on your house 
canceled at the same time the fire starts in the house.
  Those are the kinds of reforms I say are good in this bill and could 
get strong bipartisan support. But the pending bills go much further 
than creating stronger rules and regulations.
  First, let's keep in mind that under current law, health insurance is 
primarily regulated under McCarran-Ferguson at the State level. State 
insurance commissioners and legislatures set most of the rules. The 
health reform proposals being debated in the Senate and over in the 
House would have the Federal Government take over these 
responsibilities. Under the present bills, the Federal Government, 
either through the Secretary of Health and Human Services, or a newly 
created office of health choices commissioner, or an unelected Federal 
health board is going to decide what health insurance has to look like. 
What every health plan has to cover is what the Federal Government is 
going to decide.
  It is not just a case of ending discrimination. It is a case of the 
Federal Government saying what that health insurance plan needs to look 
like. If your current coverage does not meet one of the bronze, silver, 
gold, or platinum categories set up by the Federal Government--despite 
the President's promise--you may not be able to keep what you have.
  The Federal Government is also going to set a national standard for 
how much insurers can vary prices between younger and older 
beneficiaries. These reforms will result in drastic price increases, 
particularly for younger and healthier beneficiaries. This means 
millions of people who are expecting lower costs as a result of reform 
will end up paying higher premiums.
  So the Federal Government will decide how much plans can charge and 
what benefits can be covered. To help make these decisions, the Federal 
Government will have a newly created comparative effectiveness research 
program. This program would be similar to the ones in Great Britain and 
other foreign governments that decide which treatments you can and 
cannot have.
  I want everyone to understand that the principle of comparative 
effectiveness research in and of itself is not something I oppose 
because I think when it is used as a way of informing patients and 
providers about best practices, it is a good thing to have. But I am 
also worried this research could be used as a tool for government to 
ration care. Especially the reason for my concern is the recently 
passed House bill failed to include a prohibition on rationing that was 
in their original discussion draft. That discussion draft of the House 
bill, H.R. 3200, stated that the committee should ``[e]nsure that 
essential benefits coverage does not lead to rationing of health 
care.''
  But, unfortunately, that line was not included in the final bill.
  Now, that makes you wonder: When everybody says comparative 
effectiveness research is not going to be used to ration care, then why 
would you object to a statement saying: ``Ensure that essential 
benefits coverage does not lead to rationing of health care.'' Why 
wouldn't that be in the bill if that is what you believe?
  So under these pending bills, you have the Federal Government telling 
private plans how much they can charge and deciding what benefits they 
have to cover. Then the Federal Government is going to tell them--
again, a Federal intervention in health care and a step toward more 
nationalization--they are not only going to tell them what benefits 
they have to cover, but then the Federal Government is going to tell 
you that you have to buy it.
  Understand, as far as I know, in the 225-year history of our great 
country, the Federal Government has never said you had to buy 
anything--buy or not buy anything. They do not tell you.
  Somebody is going to say: Well, the States make you buy car 
insurance. Well, under the 10th amendment, the States can do anything 
they want to that is not prohibited by the Federal Government. But the 
Federal Government is a government of limited power.
  So you have the Federal Government saying you have to buy health 
insurance. But the government takeover does not stop there. The 
proposed bills also include the biggest expansion of the Medicaid 
Program since it was created in 1965. The bills force 14 million more 
Americans into Medicaid, even though many doctors will not see Medicaid 
patients. Under current law, the government already pays for about 50 
percent of health care. But with the new subsidies and massive Medicaid 
expansion, the Federal Government will eclipse the private market when 
it comes to paying for health care services.
  I am sure some of my colleagues saw recently released data from the 
inspector general showing that about 12 percent of Medicare payments 
were payment errors that could be the result of fraud, waste, and 
abuse. It is no wonder then that Medicare is scheduled to be insolvent 
within the next 10 years.
  Clearly, the government cannot afford or even manage the programs it 
has now. But here we are debating the single largest expansion of 
government health care in history embodied in this 2,074-page bill.
  So I would like to review why I see the current bill as a government 
takeover of our health care system.
  First, there is a government-run plan that will drive private health 
plans out of business. In fact, some Democratic legislators have said 
publicly they see it as a first step toward a single-payer system.
  Second, States will no longer be in charge of their own insurance 
markets. The Federal Government is going to take over the 
responsibility of setting premiums and defining benefits. So regardless 
of whether you are getting your health insurance through an employer or 
on your own, when you go to buy a new policy, the Federal Government is 
going to tell you what you can and cannot buy. If you do not buy the 
coverage the government has chosen for you, you could end up paying a 
new tax or even end up in jail under this new intrusive health 
insurance mandate that is going to be enforced by the Internal Revenue 
Service.
  Interestingly, an analysis of similar health reform legislation said 
the IRS would have to grow by 25 percent in order to manage all the new 
taxes, fees, and mandates.
  By the way, I have written a letter to the Secretary of the Treasury 
trying to get exactly some estimate of how much money it is going to 
take for the IRS to administer this program, and we do not have an 
answer yet.
  Finally, we have the single largest expansion of Medicaid since its 
inception. Current proposals plan to add 14 million people to the 
Medicaid Program--a program that States already cannot afford.
  All of this begs the question then: At more than 2,000 pages, and 
about $2.5 trillion in spending when fully implemented, how can anyone 
say the pending bills do not represent a government takeover of health 
care? From the government-run plan, to a Federal takeover of private 
health insurance, to a massive expansion of Medicaid, I find it hard to 
call the pending bills anything else.
  The American people want lower costs, higher quality, and better 
access. That is clear. I share these goals, but I cannot support any 
bill that I believe hands our private system of medicine over to a 
bunch of Washington bureaucrats. That is not what my constituents want, 
and it is not what this country needs.
  I yield the floor.
  The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Alabama.
  Mr. SESSIONS. Mr. President, I thank Senator Grassley for his 
leadership on this issue.
  I am going to share some facts and fictions that are relevant to this 
bill. I think it will explain to anybody who looks at it carefully why 
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able to support it. It is why I am not able to support it.
  Supporters of this legislation promise that it will do a number of 
things. We are being told we should support it and vote for it. But it 
does not do those things that are advertised of it. I wish it did. I 
wish we could create something for nothing. I wish we could make these 
numbers balance, but they do not.
  Earlier today, one of our colleagues on the other side of the aisle 
said: We would not do anything about hurting Medicare. We Democrats, 45 
years ago, created the program, and we would not do anything to hurt 
it.
  Well, then, we are going to have a vote. We are going to have a 
serious vote coming up, probably tomorrow, on the Gregg amendment. 
Senator Judd Gregg is one of the most knowledgeable persons in the 
Senate on Medicare. He has worked hard on it for a number of years. He 
chaired the Budget Committee when Republicans were in the majority, and 
now he is the ranking Republican. Everybody respects him. He has 
offered an amendment that would make sure we do not raid Medicare--and 
that is exactly what this bill would do. If this bill does not raid 
Medicare, then why wouldn't everybody vote for the Gregg amendment?
  We are entering a time in which we will have a defining moment. Some 
of my colleagues will say they voted for the Bennet amendment. As we 
said then, the amendment meant nothing. It did not do what they said it 
would do because it did not prohibit the raiding of the Medicare trust 
fund. But my colleagues wanted to adopt it. This is why people are 
angry with Congress--it was a cover amendment.
  For a day or two it seemed as if the cover may have worked; that by 
voting for this amendment, my colleagues who are supporting this 
legislation could say they voted to not hurt Medicare. They could go 
back home and say: I voted for the Bennet amendment.
  Well, the New York Times--along with anybody who takes the time to 
look at the amendment--said it was meaningless. And the New York Times 
supports the legislation. It is meaningless. It was absolutely 
meaningless. The amendment does not do anything, and will not protect 
the Medicare program.
  We are going to have an opportunity to deal with that tomorrow. The 
numbers in this bill are not adding up. The way this bill is being 
financed in part is by a $465 billion raid on Medicare. Well, I am 
going to raise a number of issues, but I will not do them all today, so 
you can rest with some relaxation.
  As to some of the things that are critical to whether a person can 
support this kind of reform, the fiction that has been stated is that 
the bill's net total cost is $848 billion. Well, in truth, when the 
bill is fully implemented, the first 10 years of full implementation 
costs $2.5 trillion, three times the number that their supporters 
claim.
  How can this happen? Well, Senator Reid and whomever he selected met 
down the hall in secret, and they talked about the numbers, and they 
were worried about how to meet the president's claim that their bill 
would not cost more than $900 billion. They were trying to promise it 
would be only $848 billion, but the numbers were not adding up.
  So what did they do? They delayed the implementation of the 
expenditures the bill promises for 5 years. So they delay the 
expenditures, the benefits they promised, for 5 years, but the taxes 
start now. That way, you can take the first 10 years of the bill, and 
it looks pretty good because you only have expenditures--the big 
expenditures--for 5 years, and you have revenue for 10. Well, this is 
flimflammery. It is not honest. The numbers do not add up.
  If you examine the bill's costs when it is fully implemented for 10 
years, it is $2.5 trillion, $2,500 billion.
  So I would say, first of all, that is a fiction. The fact is that 
these numbers are not accurate. They did not do what they said they 
were going to do. The bill does not do what it promises.
  No. 2, the President told us in a joint session of Congress that he 
will not sign a bill that adds one dime to the deficit. Well, that is 
pretty good. In fact, they produced this $848 billion bill, they say, 
that it is going to only cost $848 billion. They say, boy, give us a 
pat on the back. Not only is it going to be deficit neutral and not add 
to the debt, it is going to increase revenues by $130 billion, and we 
will pay down the debt. Have you heard that? We are going to pay down 
the debt.
  But they had a number of problems. One of them was they promised to 
pay the doctors a reasonable fee. Under the existing law, the way it 
was passed in one of the budget balancing acts, doctors are set to take 
a 23-percent reduction in their payments in 2011 for doing Medicare 
work--23 percent--which we know we cannot allow to occur. Doctors will 
quit doing Medicare. Many of them are having difficulty continuing to 
see Medicare patients now. We cannot cut them 23 percent. So what did 
the writers of this bill do? They increased the doctors' reimbursement 
for 1 year. Next year, they give them a one-half-percent increase. But 
in the next 9 years, their budget assumptions assume the doctors will 
take a 23-percent cut. That is absolutely bogus. We are not going to 
cut the doctors 23 percent. We cannot do so and maintain health care in 
America for our seniors. And yet, that is one of the major problems 
with Medicare today: we are not on a sound financial basis. This bill 
assumes that Medicare expenditures for physicians is going to drop 23 
percent in 2011 and remain at that rate--and that amounts to a $250 
billion shortfall from 2011 through 2019.
  So, they ask: How can we figure out how to do this, how to make this 
bill deficit-neutral and less than $900 billion? We don't want to admit 
that our bill is not a $130 billion surplus over 10 years if we have to 
pay the doctors, which we are going to pay one way or the other. If we 
pay the doctors, it will actually be a $120 billion deficit on that 
issue alone. So what can they do? They came up with a budgetary 
gimmick. They just took physician pay out of the health care reform 
package, and decided to try to pass it on the floor of the Senate, with 
every penny of it, $250 billion, going to the deficit--not a penny of 
it paid for.
  So if you bring the physician pay issue back up, and add it to the 
health care reform bill that we are supposed to be passing, you end up 
at the beginning of the whole thing with a $120 billion deficit. So, to 
avoid that, supporters of this bill moved physician pay out of the bill 
and tried to pass it. A lot of the Democratic colleagues wouldn't vote 
for that. It failed because, out in the open before the whole world, 
people did not want to vote, after all of this deficit that we are 
imposing on our children and grandchildren, for another $250 billion 
hit to the debt. How can we continue to do that? So it was voted down, 
thank goodness. But the problem is still there. You have to raise $494 
billion in taxes to make this bill deficit-neutral. Instead of using 
that money to fund new entitlement programs, maybe we ought to use that 
tax revenue to pay for the program we have: Medicare, the one that is 
slipping into serious default, one in which we are not paying the 
doctors what we should be paying them for the work they do. If we are 
going to raise taxes, maybe that is what we ought to do with the 
money--and not create a new entitlement benefit that is going to grow 
and far exceed costs projections in the years to come and further 
jeopardize our spending. As I think most of my colleagues are pretty 
well informed, under the present spending program we will double the 
entire debt of the United States of America in 5 years. Then, in 10 
years, we will triple it. It will go from $5.7 trillion to over $17 
trillion in 10 years. We cannot keep doing this. It is unsustainable 
and the American people know it.
  So, the cost promises of the bill are not being met. There are a lot 
of other points too. I would just first mention the fact that it was 
contended at the beginning that this reform bill ought to be able to 
keep us from spending so much of our gross domestic product on health 
care. It is a serious matter. We definitely need to wrestle with the 
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to deal with. But what does this bill do? It promised it was going to 
do something about that. It was going to bend the cost curve. Our cost 
curve on health care is currently going up, and this bill was going to 
bend it downward, contain the growth of health care as a percentage of 
the gross domestic product in America, and free up money for economic 
growth and jobs and other important items.
  Well, does the bill do that? No, it doesn't. As Senator Thune has 
pointed out, and others have, health care currently is about 17 percent 
of our gross domestic product. Of the total wealth of America, its 
productivity, 17 percent goes to providing health care. If this bill is 
passed, it will increase to 21 percent, and that is a faster rate of 
increase than if we didn't pass this bill at all. That is a big deal. I 
thought we had a promise and a commitment that the bill would reduce 
the percentage of growth there. Indeed, it will not.
  There are a number of other issues that I will be talking about, 
including how the actual premiums for average families for insurance 
will be going up instead of going down as has been promised by the 
President and how this bill will increase the deficit and not reduce 
it; how it will increase the percentage of GDP to health care and not 
decrease it; how it will increase taxes and how it will raid Medicare, 
but not shore up the program. I am just going to repeat this again, 
because it is important: This bill is a raid on Medicare. It cannot be 
disputed, in my view. The idea that we could take $465 billion out of 
Medicare and put it into an entirely new program without having any 
adverse effect on Medicare is something I don't think anybody can 
imagine to be true.
  How did they do that, you might ask. Well, Senator Sessions, surely 
they thought this through. How can they say that? This is the gimmick. 
This is how they do it: We are not denying any ``guaranteed'' benefits 
under Medicare, they say. Don't worry, seniors. All your guaranteed 
benefits are going to be provided. Where does the $465 billion come 
from? Well, we are just going to cut the providers, not your benefits. 
We are going to cut hospitals. We are going to cut hospice. We are 
going to cut home health care. We are going to cut nursing homes. We 
are going to cut disproportionate share hospitals that treat the poor, 
all of these things. We are going to cut all of these institutions and 
groups that provide health care, but don't worry. You will still get 
all of the benefits you had before. Study after study indicates that 
the health care providers are already operating on the margin. Health 
care will be savaged under this bill.
  Second, if, indeed, we could save money in Medicare--and I think 
there are some savings there, and we need to work at it and see what we 
can do without breaching the promise we made to our seniors--if we 
could save money there, let me ask my colleagues: What would you do 
with the money that is saved? Would you use it to try to keep Medicare 
healthy, or would you create a new entitlement program with it and raid 
the seniors' money?
  Well, that is what has happened. The savings that are from Medicare 
need to be kept in Medicare so that we can keep the program from going 
insolvent in 2017. We should use that money, those savings to help the 
seniors.
  Remember, Medicare is funded and has been funded by people such as 
Bill Eberle from Huntsville, AL, who wrote me about it. He said he paid 
into the fund for 40 years and now he is ready to draw down benefits. 
He didn't get any benefit from his years of Medicare taxes until he hit 
65. But now he is ready to draw, and we are considering taking his 
money and spending it on somebody else. He doesn't like that. He 
doesn't think that is right, and he is correct.
  That is why I am not able to support the legislation. It doesn't do 
what it promised. It is going to make our health care situation worse. 
It is going to create greater debt at a time when our spending is 
already out of control.
  I thank the Chair and my colleagues. I hope as this debate goes 
forward that we can make some improvements, although I am not confident 
of the direction that we are headed right now. It seems as though any 
significant attempt to make real progress with the bill is failing. But 
Senator Gregg's amendment is important. I hope my colleagues will study 
up on it and vote to preserve Medicare and to keep the savings that can 
be obtained in Medicare in the program, and not create a new 
entitlement.
  I thank the Chair.
  Mr. ENZI. Mr. President, I rise in support of Senator Judd Gregg's 
amendment, which would prevent the Medicare cuts in the Reid bill from 
being used to pay to create a new entitlement program to cover the 
uninsured.
  I do not oppose covering the uninsured. Nor do I oppose reforming the 
Medicare Program. We should do those things.
  What I oppose is the Reid bill. This is the wrong approach to solve 
these problems.
  The amendment offered by my friend from New Hampshire highlights the 
main problems with the Reid bill and suggests a better approach.
  His amendment would protect the savings from the Medicare Program, 
and prevent them from being used to create a new entitlement.
  This would mean that this new program would not have to rely on cuts 
to Medicare to fund its operation. It would also reserve all of the 
money taken from Medicare so that it could be used to fix the problems 
in the Medicare Program.
  Some Democrats have argued that we are not creating a new entitlement 
program. They are simply wrong. Just like Social Security, Medicare and 
Medicaid, this bill will commit the Federal Treasury to paying for 
these new subsidies for the uninsured forever.
  That means that, as Federal spending continues to grow, this new 
program will continue to grow. It will crowd out other federal spending 
priorities, like education and national defense.
  Any future attempts to modify or restrain its growth will be met by 
cries of indignation, arguing that cuts would devastate access to 
health care. If anyone has any doubts, they should look at the 
transcripts from our debate on the Deficit Reduction Act.
  In 2005, Congress tried to reduce Medicare spending by about $20 
billion and enact modest reforms to the Medicaid Program. These 
programs would have strengthened the long-term solvency of these 
programs and helped reduce the Federal deficit.
  In response, Senator Reid called that bill an ``immoral document.'' 
The junior Senator from California said she strongly opposed the cuts 
in the bill, because they would ``cut Medicare and Medicaid by $27 
billion.''
  Yet today, these same Members and the rest of my Democratic 
colleagues want to create a new entitlement program that will spend 
hundreds of billions of dollars. And they would pay for it by cutting 
$464 billion from the Medicare Program.
  I believe these facts highlight why we need to adopt the Gregg 
amendment. I don't believe we should create a new entitlement program, 
which will permanently obligate our children and grandchildren to pay 
its costs. If my colleagues insist on doing it, however, at a minimum 
we need to guarantee that any new program has a stable and reliable 
source of funding.
  The Medicare cuts in this bill are neither stable nor reliable.
  My Democratic colleagues have spoken at length about how the Medicare 
provisions in this bill will bend the growth of heath care spending. 
That is unfortunately far from accurate.
  If you don't believe me, listen to what other nationally recognized 
experts have to say.
  According to the New York Times, the CEO of the world renowned Mayo 
Clinic dismissed the reforms in the bill. Dennis Cortese said the Reid 
bill only took baby steps towards revamping the current fee-for-service 
system.
  The dean of the Harvard Medical School, Jeffery Flier, said that the 
bills being considered in Congress would accelerate national health 
care spending.
  I wish there were more actual reforms in this bill. I applaud some of 
the efforts that Senator Baucus included

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that will create incentives for coordinated care and rewarding 
providers who provide higher quality. I believe those are exactly the 
types of things that we should be doing to improve the Medicare 
Program.
  Unfortunately, the savings from these actual reforms are a few 
pennies compared to the dollars of arbitrary payment cuts included in 
this bill.
  According to the Congressional Budget Office, all of the savings from 
the various policies to link Medicare payments to quality and encourage 
better coordination of care in the Reid bill provide less than $20 
billion in total savings.
  In contrast, the Reid bill includes over $220 billion in arbitrary 
payment cuts to health care providers, including hospitals, nursing 
homes, home health agencies and hospice providers. The Reid bill also 
includes an additional $120 billion in cuts to Medicare Advantage 
plans.
  Those are not reforms. Instead they represent the best efforts of 
folks in Washington to guess how much it actually costs real doctors 
and nurses to provide health care services to Medicare beneficiaries.
  These cuts are an excellent example of how government price controls 
work.
  Medicare does not negotiate payment rates with providers, like 
private insurers. Medicare uses price controls to set payment rates. 
Experts in Washington then look at various reported costs, revenues and 
profits of health care providers and then decide how much we should pay 
health care providers.
  I have often said that everyone thinks they know everything about a 
business, until they actually have to run it. As a former small 
business owner, I want to assure them, it is actually a lot harder than 
it looks.
  The Medicare cuts in this bill are based on the efforts of folks in 
Washington to decide how much it costs to run a nursing home in 
Cheyenne or a home health agency in Gillette. Based on their past track 
record, I don't have much confidence in their abilities.
  In 1997, Congress passed the Balanced Budget Act. It contained over 
$434 billion in Medicare payment cuts. Lots of really smart folks in 
Washington made arguments similar to those we are hearing today about 
how these cuts would not harm providers or beneficiaries.
  What happened after these cuts went into effect? Within two years, 
these cuts had driven four of the largest nursing home chains in the 
Nation into bankruptcy.
  Vencor, Sun Healthcare, Integrated Health Services and Mariner Post-
Acute Network all filed for bankruptcy. Between them, they operated 
1,400 nursing homes that provided care for hundreds of thousands of 
Medicare beneficiaries.
  Similarly, the bill also included cuts in payments to Medicare + 
Choice plans. After these cuts went into effect, one out of every four 
plans pulled out of the Medicare Program. Millions of beneficiaries 
then lost the extra benefits that these plans had provided.
  Given this track record, I have grave concerns about what the 
Medicare cuts in the Reid bill would do to Medicare beneficiaries and 
the doctors, hospitals and other providers who treat them.
  I have even greater concerns about using any estimated savings from 
these cuts to fund this new entitlement program for the uninsured.
  That is why we should pass the Gregg amendment. Rather than relying 
on cuts that could devastate the Medicare Program, let's find a stable 
and reliable funding source that we could use to pay for health care 
reform.
  The Gregg amendment says that savings from any Medicare cuts should 
be reserved for the Medicare Program. That way, if the Washington 
experts again got it wrong, we will not have already spent all the 
savings on another program.
  Mr. INHOFE. Mr. President, yesterday the U.S. Senate voted on two 
measures, one by the Senator from Massachusetts and one by the Senator 
from Nebraska relating to home health benefits. I was unable to attend 
yesterday's session of the Senate but had I voted, I would have voted 
for both measures.
  Home health and hospice benefits are very important to Oklahomans. In 
fact, the National Association for Home Care and Hospice reported that 
Oklahomans alone may receive a cut of over $1 billion in home health 
and hospice benefits under this bill. I understand the value of home 
health and hospice very well. In March 2007, I introduced legislation 
with Senators Thad Cochran, Roger Wicker, Pete Domenici, and Richard 
Shelby, the Preserving Access to Hospice Act, to ensure America's 
terminally ill seniors have access to hospice care, by providing 
immediate relief for hospices impacted by the Medicare hospice cap and 
authorizing a MedPAC study on the cap issue. Identical legislation was 
introduced in the House led by Congressman John Sullivan with many 
cosponsors. I introduced this legislation because of a flawed provision 
in Federal law which required hospices to repay the Centers for 
Medicare and Medicaid Services, CMS, for serving eligible patients in 
prior years. Many small, family, and community-owned hospices faced 
closure, and patients faced losing access to hospice care. In Oklahoma 
especially, hospice care companies of all sizes service a large number 
of Oklahomans. However, in 2005, 41 percent of the hospices providing 
care in Oklahoma received letters from CMS demanding repayment. Since 
then, I have been working to help small, community hospices in Oklahoma 
as they face repayment letters from CMS for millions of dollars. 
Without help, hospices face closure and the discharge of significant 
numbers of terminally ill patients, possibly into more expensive care. 
In fact, during last summer's contentious debate on physician Medicare 
reimbursements, I argued at the very least for a MedPAC study on 
payment methodology for hospice care to evaluate if there is a problem 
with payments and whether cap amount revisions are needed.
  I understand and greatly appreciate the value of good home health 
care and hospice benefits.
  Admittedly, one of the measures considered yesterday would have been 
better than the other. The amendment from the Senator from 
Massachusetts simply said that nothing in the bill should result in the 
reduction of guaranteed home health benefits. The problem is that 
access to home health is not a ``guaranteed'' Medicare benefit. So even 
though the amendment from the Senator from Massachusetts passed 96 to 
0, will it have a real impact on protecting seniors from the loss of 
access to home health care? No. The better approach was offered by the 
Senator from Nebraska. Unfortunately, the better approaches are failing 
by party line votes. However, I compliment the Senator from Virginia, 
Mr. Webb, for his support of the motion by the Senator from Nebraska. 
This motion would have recommitted this entire legislation to the 
appropriate Senate committee to remove the cuts to home health 
benefits. I think that is the best and most direct approach. I think 
that is the most honest approach. Simply remove the cuts. For the past 
several days we have been discussing the cuts to Medicare and 
especially the cuts to Medicare Advantage. In each case, the 
Republicans have offered motions and amendments to recommit this 
massive 2,000-page health bill back to committee to improve it, namely, 
to remove the cuts to programs seniors and the disabled use. I was 
disappointed to see this most recent attempt to send this massive bill 
back to committee to improve it fail 41 to 53.
  I look forward to today's debate. One scheduled for a vote is on 
medical malpractice reform. It will be very interesting to see just how 
serious the Democrats are about health care reform. Currently, the bill 
only has a ``sense of the Senate'' recognizing medical malpractice 
costs are a problem. We'll see if they think it is important to really 
do anything about it.

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