[Congressional Record (Bound Edition), Volume 154 (2008), Part 4]
[House]
[Pages 4839-4846]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]




                       30-SOMETHING WORKING GROUP

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of 
January 18, 2007, the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Meek) is recognized 
for 60 minutes as the designee of the majority leader.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Speaker, it's an honor to come before the 
House once again.
  As you know, in the 30-Something Working Group, we work very hard to 
put forth the agenda of the American people. We have been consistent 
over a number of years in doing this. And I think that it's important 
for the forward progress of not only the House of Representatives but 
also for the American people.
  The good thing about coming to the floor and sharing what's happening 
here in the Capitol Dome, or what's not happening, is its importance in 
strengthening our democracy and also strengthening our economy and 
strengthening the faith in government by the American people. And I 
think that some of the information, especially as it comes in a 
bipartisan fashion, that it allows our friends on the Republican side 
of the aisle to be able to take part in legislation that the American 
people support wholeheartedly.
  Case in point: increasing the minimum wage, adopting all the 9/11 
recommendations, and also looking at the issue of the greening of 
America, putting forth incentives of saving our Earth as we move forth, 
fighting for community police officers for local law enforcement 
agencies, State law enforcement agencies, and also the Federal outlook 
of being able to deter crime in this country; also assisting children 
and getting a level of health

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care that they deserve in a universal sense as it relates to S-CHIP, or 
what we call CHAMP here on the floor; and to also have hearings, to 
open up this government to the American people, of transparency.
  As we started talking about Member projects, Mr. Speaker, in the 
appropriations process, we brought about the transparency that the 
American people have been looking for, disclosure, to make sure that 
these projects are worthy projects, and also having what we call 
reform, and we have shown that.

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  I want to just talk about a few things, Mr. Speaker, if I can, before 
the rest of the 30-Something Group is recognized, of what is happening 
now, not only in America, but overseas. We know that a number of 
officials from the Bush administration have been asked to come to 
Capitol Hill to testify before various committees, be they House or 
Senate. Today's news is the economy. When we start looking at testimony 
that took place here today, where it was first mentioned, not that we 
were trying to make history, a Bush administration official saying that 
the country is in a small recession and that recovery will be soon, and 
very soon, well, it reminds me of the debate when we talked about what 
was going on in Darfur, in Africa, if we want to call it genocide or 
not. We already knew it was genocide so we didn't necessarily have to 
wait for the President or the Bush administration to say it was 
genocide. But it did help when they said that it was.
  Well, since now the Bush administration has come around to find out 
that their policies of tax breaks for billionaires and millionaires did 
not help the economy, and now has testified that we are in a recession, 
or a small recession, using the R word, maybe we can start dealing with 
the solution as a unified government.
  One example of how we have worked together in unity has been what was 
shown when we passed the small stimulus bill that was passed, and I 
know that the Speaker and Democratic leaders are looking, and also 
hopefully Republican leaders, are working towards a stimulus package 
that will create jobs, U.S. jobs here, and would allow those from the 
GED education to the post-graduate education, doctoral, those that have 
gone beyond in their education to be able to take part in new job 
creation here in the United States. So we have these forward leaning 
initiatives that we are ready and willing to work on.
  The second point, I think it's also important as we look at the 
housing crisis that we are in right now. Mr. Speaker, I am actually in 
the next couple of weeks holding a ``save your home'' or recovery 
effort in my district. I am asking my constituents to come forth, those 
that are trying to make their mortgages, and bringing lenders together, 
along with credit counselors, to be able to assist them to save the 
only thing that they have, and that is their home.
  I think it's so very, very important that we continue to work very 
hard. I know that Chairman Frank, the Financial Services Committee, 
will be having a hearing in response to what has been happening in the 
housing crisis. I know that the Senate is working very hard to have 
some product come before this House soon, and very soon, to deal with 
this.
  I think it's important that those of us in Congress not only support 
the public efforts that are going on, but also encourage the banking 
community and the lending community to step forward and try to assist 
as much as they can in saving the piece of the pie of the American 
dream. With so many Americans, that dream is now turning into a 
nightmare. It's our job to be able to stand up for those individuals.
  I think that it's also important to know the chair of the Federal 
Reserve is continuing to warn us of a possible recession. I think that 
it's important for us to look at it as a reality where it is now.
  Now for individuals that have substance abuse problems, or whatever 
the case may be, first you have to admit that you have a problem for us 
to get to the recovery, or to recover from that problem, to be able to 
receive the kind of treatment that is needed. As it relates to the 
decision makers in Washington and in the lending community, admitting 
that there is a problem is important. Many of us have, but we still 
have some holdouts for the sake of holding out. I think that as we move 
on, that we press on in a bipartisan way to make that happen. There 
will be efforts to make that happen. I ask my Republican friends on the 
other side of the aisle to be a part of the solution and not just the 
argument.
  I think that when we also, Mr. Speaker, and I just want to share some 
of these thoughts because we have had 2 weeks off and I have had an 
opportunity to focus on some of the things that I wanted to share with 
the House of not only the observations, my personal observations, but 
what I have read of what others have written of their concerns about 
the lack of leadership on recovering or bringing about the kind of 
recovery we need on this economy. That there are certain things that 
have to be in place.
  I know the first stimulus package we did gives some relief to 
homeowners through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and FHA loans and raising 
that ceiling so they can be able to assist individuals to save their 
homes. But we have got to go further than that. We have to be able to 
create the jobs that individuals need to be able to save their homes.
  The second point I wanted to make, Mr. Speaker, that I think is 
vital, General Petraeus is going to be here on the Hill within a week. 
We know that we are starting to see violence again in Iraq. We know 
that we have put a large investment on the ground in Iraq, not only in 
our men and women that are over 140,000, that are there, but also we 
put a major cash investment on the streets of Iraq in hiring a number 
of Iraqis with U.S. dollars, cash dollars that they are paid in to help 
keep the peace in certain neighborhoods that have been a part of the 
uprising and the insurgency.
  If I had the dollars that we have on the ground in Iraq in my 
district, there would be no crime. We would be able to hire those 
individuals that some may say are unemployable, that are out doing 
things that we don't necessarily agree with. Some justify their actions 
on the lack of being able to be employed, some justify their acts on 
the fact that they are not able to, even if they are employable, there 
are no jobs for them to get to be a productive member of society. Of 
course, there is a lack of job training dollars in our States and in 
our communities. There is a lack of bridge dollars to be able to 
introduce these individuals back into society, especially those that 
have made youthful indiscretions.
  But as we start looking at General Petraeus' testimony when we come 
back before Congress, we have to look at it from the standpoint of 
where are we going from this point. I think that the American people 
are ready for the Iraq experience to be over as it relates to street-
to-street, neighborhood-to-neighborhood protection of the Iraqi people. 
I think that it's time for our government to be able at the highest 
levels, and I know many Members of the House, including myself, have 
personal editorials on this issue. But we are looking forward to 
General Petraeus' report. We are also looking forward to Ambassador 
Crocker's report.
  We are also looking forward to hearing not only from other experts 
that are in the area of Iraq, and I know the Armed Services Committee 
is going to be dealing with that, but I ask the Members in a bipartisan 
way to look at it not with a partisan eye, but look at it from a 
standpoint of what is best for the United States of America. So when we 
deal with the economy and we deal with Iraq, I mean there are two major 
issues that are going on in the country. For those that write books and 
for those that are historians, they are paying very, very close 
attention to what is going on.
  Mr. Speaker, I am glad to be joined by my colleagues. I am just going 
to do it in order of seniority and order of people that are next to me. 
Even though I am going to recognize Mr. Altmire, since he made it here 
first,

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we have Mr. Ryan from the great State of Ohio, and represents Niles, 
Ohio, Youngstown, and has been doing great work here when we first 
started the 30-Something Working Group. We do have what I mentioned at 
the beginning of my comments, Mr. Speaker, is what we look for is 
consistency and accuracy on what we share with the Members and also the 
American people.
  I have my good friend Ms. Clarke, Yvette Clarke from the great State 
of New York, and representing Brooklyn in a very proud way. I have been 
to her district and seen her work, and she has worked on the local 
government level and brings a flavor to this body that all Members 
should appreciate, and I know that will continue to be a force here in 
Congress. And Mr. Jason Altmire, he and Mr. Ryan speak of very fondly, 
in the same television market, media market. Mr. Ryan actually 
participated in Mr. Altmire's election. I am glad that Mr. Altmire is 
here. He is a great voice here in Congress and has passed bills on this 
floor that are substantial to the very fiber of our democracy.
  Mr. Speaker, with that, just these opening comments that I have made, 
I know that with us being off 2 weeks, many of these Members have a lot 
to share. But as we look at the next couple of weeks and beyond, there 
is going to be a lot going on here in the Capitol dome, and the 
American people are going to be paying very careful attention to it, 
and we need bipartisan support in making that happen.
  Mr. Altmire.
  Mr. ALTMIRE. I thank the gentleman from Florida, and I look forward 
to continuing the discussion tonight on all these issues the gentleman 
has brought up.
  The gentleman closed with Iraq. We are going to have General Petraeus 
and we are going to have Ambassador Crocker come before Congress again 
next week and give their status report on what they see on the ground 
in Iraq. As the gentleman from Florida knows, he and I traveled to Iraq 
together last year. One of the things that you would see over there is 
that the military situation, without question, our brave men and women 
are doing incredible work over there. It's amazing to see firsthand the 
men and women in action and seeing the great things that they have been 
able to do with the situation that they have been presented with in 
Iraq.
  But I cannot say the same thing about the politicians in Baghdad, the 
Iraqi politicians. We have had for several months now, if not more than 
a year, a situation in Baghdad where the politicians have just refused 
to step up and make the necessary political accommodations to 
administer their own government and run their own affairs. This 
situation in Iraq can only be resolved by the Iraqis themselves. It is 
their country. Our brave men and women in the military have provided a 
bubble of security around Baghdad to give the decisionmakers, the 
Iraqis in Baghdad the opportunity to make the tough political 
accommodations that are necessary, and they have refused to do it.
  What we have seen in recent weeks, unfortunately, is the situation in 
Iraq regress. We will hold judgment on that until I hear from General 
Petraeus next week and Ambassador Crocker and hear what they have to 
say. But it does not appear that the situation in Iraq over the past 
several weeks has gotten any more stable. I hope that General Petraeus 
has good news.
  But nobody can argue that our brave men and women in the military, 
the best and brightest this country has to offer, have done everything 
they can possibly do to give the Iraqis the opportunity to take the 
reins of power and control their own affairs and manage their own 
destiny. Unfortunately, it appears that they have refused to do so, the 
politicians in Baghdad. So we will certainly talk more about that.
  I also wanted to touch on the economic downturn that we are in. 
There's a lot of debate on what you call it; is it a recession, are we 
in a recession, or are we not. I really don't care what we call it, 
what I know about is when I go back to my district in western 
Pennsylvania and I talk with people who are struggling in this economy, 
I can see firsthand what has happened and what the impact of this 
economic downturn has had on my constituents in southwestern 
Pennsylvania. We hear stories from all around the country of families 
going through the same trouble and turmoil as my constituents are in 
western Pennsylvania.
  One of the things I hear over and over again is, well, these are just 
people who bought too much house. They got in over their heads and they 
bought more house than they can afford. You know what, they are getting 
what is coming to them.
  That is not what happened. What we have had is people all across this 
country that have a mortgage, but they also have health care costs.

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  They have kids in school, where they are paying college tuition that 
is going up three and four and five times the rate of inflation. They 
have perhaps businesses to run. They have costs with fuel and gas 
prices and everything that that affects, with food prices going up.
  Perhaps they took out a second mortgage, and maybe then they got 
overextended because they couldn't afford their daily household 
expenses because of everything else happening in the economy. This wave 
came on, and we had over 1 million foreclosures last year. We are on 
schedule this year to perhaps double that in 2008.
  And I don't think anyone can argue that the economy is certainly in 
trouble right now. It is in a downward spiral, and we are hoping to 
prevent a recession, if we are not in one already. But I think to have 
an argument, as we have had on this floor many times with people on the 
other side who want to deny that this is a recession or not, that is 
missing the boat. I don't care what you call it. What I want to do is 
get out there and make a difference for the American people in a way 
that is going to make their life better and help them pay their daily 
household expenses and avoid bankruptcy and avoid defaulting on their 
mortgage. And that helps everybody.
  Perhaps you do say, well, these are people who bought too much house 
and they got what they deserve. Even that is not the case. If those 
people live in your neighborhood and they default on their mortgage and 
their house is foreclosed, guess what? That is going to hurt your 
property values. That is going to have a direct impact on you, and 
maybe at that point you might take a second look at it. I don't want it 
to get to that point. I want to take proactive action.
  The President this week, when he talked about what his economic plan 
was he was moving forward, it sounded a lot like Herbert Hoover and 
what his plan was in the 1930s. And if you sit on your hands and you do 
nothing, I can promise you, this is not going to correct itself. This 
problem is going to continue to get worse.
  So I am grateful that we have come here tonight to talk about these 
important issues and to take action on these issues as a Congress, 
because working together we can take a giant step in solving these 
problems for the American people, hopefully avoiding a recession, if we 
are not in one, but in the long term making policy decisions that are 
going to directly improve the lives of our constituents all across the 
country.
  With that, I would now yield to the gentlewoman from New York (Ms. 
Clarke).
  Ms. CLARKE. Thank you very much.
  Mr. Speaker, Mr. Altmire, and to my colleague the gentleman from 
Florida (Mr. Meek) and to my colleague the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. 
Ryan), it is great to be here with you once again. I just wanted to 
come and have a conversation with you folks out there and, of course, 
my colleagues here.
  I was in my office when I heard the wrap-up of the last Republican 
hour, and I thought I heard one of my colleagues state that we are in 
this economic crisis currently due to the last 13 months of Democratic 
control. I couldn't believe what I heard, because I thought to myself, 
what a joke. Who does he think he is fooling with this type of baseless 
rhetoric?
  Americans know exactly who and what caused this economic downturn. 
Pointing the finger right now does not

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help us to put milk in the refrigerators of our neighbors and our 
constituents, and it certainly doesn't fill the gas tank, and it 
certainly does not enable people to stop fretting about whether they 
can make next month's mortgage payment.
  One of the things that we can all be grateful for is that this 
Democratic-controlled Congress saw fit to rise to the occasion to 
forecast what we see as a real economic downturn by putting forth in a 
bipartisan way an economic stimulus package that we hope will bring at 
least a moment of respite, a moment where folks can catch their breath 
and catch their bearings as we present to them the opportunities to 
refinance their homes and the opportunities to just sort of take a look 
at the landscape and be able to catch up.
  Right now, everyone is sort of running after themselves and trying to 
catch up with the mounting costs of just living today. And it is really 
just not a time for us to be pointing fingers. It is a time for us to 
put our shoulders to the wheel with real solutions for all Americans.
  Certainly this ``New Direction'' Congress has enacted an economic 
stimulus package that brings relief to our families and provides 
recovery rebates starting next month, that raises loan limits for 
mortgages backed by the FHA, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and allows our 
families to get mortgages with better terms. That is the type of 
language that Americans want to hear today. That is what the families 
of my district need to know is coming from us today.
  When you think about the fact that we are going to be putting 
hundreds of dollars in the hands of more than 130 million American 
families who will spend it immediately to invigorate the economy, then 
you know that we are concerned, that we are not just saying that you 
got yourself into this, now get yourself out.
  I noticed that no one said to Bear Stearns, you got yourself into 
this, now get yourself out. We decided as a nation that we had to make 
sure that the underpinning of our economic society was not withdrawn 
from under us. We need to do that for every single family here in 
America. We need to get that done.
  Listening to our caucus and the conversations we are having as 
Democrats around phase two of our economic stimulus is quite 
heartening; knowing that we are examining what is needed to really get 
this economy going, which means really innovation, which means bringing 
to the table the idea that we cannot continue to buy oil which is not 
an unlimited source, but that we have to look at renewable energies and 
the type of industry that will be developed in the years to come 
through that industry and looking at our infrastructure that has not 
been addressed, at least in my lifetime, that we know that we are going 
to need to get this done over the next decade or so.
  So all of these things are on the table. These are things we are 
discussing as Democrats in terms of phase two, because we know that 
this stimulus is just the beginning of a multi-pronged strategy that we 
must take to ensure the future economic growth and strengthening of 
America.
  So I want to just thank my colleagues for their continued focus, and 
not being distracted by those who would rhetorically joke about what is 
really a major concern to so many Americans right now as they sit at 
their kitchen tables, at their dining room tables, and they look at the 
energy bills that have come in from a very harsh winter and a very 
rough climate in many parts of the country, as they look at the fact 
that the cost of milk per gallon is now the same cost as gasoline per 
gallon, as they look at what it takes to travel from one part of this 
Nation to another, the cost, or from their homes to where they work 
each day, the cost. All of this is what we need to be focused on, and I 
am really excited that we are on our way.
  We talked about the war in Iraq, and there is a direct correlation 
between what is happening with us economically and what we are able to 
do economically when we have got so much invested in a war in Iraq.
  Just this last week, we have looked at 5 long years of war. I can't 
ever recall in my lifetime, and that is just to give you a sense, of us 
ever being at war this long. It says something to those who have given 
their lives and who are veterans of the wars of years gone by and those 
who would give their lives as our soldiers in the future that we can't 
be reckless about the call to arms in this country.
  Some would say that what we have done with the war in Iraq has not 
been the best moment in our history. So as we look at the fact that 
over 29,000 Americans have been injured and more than 31,300 have been 
treated for non-combat injury and illness, I hope that we will also 
focus on the redeployment that will ultimately have to take place once 
the Iraqi government stands up. It is in the capacity to do so, and we 
are hoping that these things will happen simultaneously, quite frankly. 
But that we also pay attention to these families in our communities, of 
the walking-wounded warriors who will need our support and will need 
our help as they readjust to coming back to an America that has a 
faltering economy, that is struggling to keep its own people in their 
homes.
  We need to pay very close attention to what is happening with our 
veterans, and this Democratic Caucus, this Democratic Congress, has 
been in the forefront of veterans' rights, of veterans' benefits, in a 
way that no other part of this government has paid attention to it.
  So when I hear my colleagues in the last Republican hour focus on 
trying to cast aspersions at what the Democratic Congress has done, I 
really hope that they will join us in the bipartisan effort to focus on 
what is real. What is real are the veterans that are coming home to our 
communities and the struggles of their families and the duress that 
their families have been under in just trying to make ends meet on 
veterans' salaries. It is the struggle that everyone in our communities 
is facing, whether it is personally or it is a neighbor, in seeing 
those for-sale signs going up throughout the neighborhood. These are 
the issues that we are concerned about.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. If the gentlewoman will yield for a second, I 
want to share something with the Members and also with those of us here 
on the floor.
  During the break, I took the privilege of going out to Camp Pendleton 
in California. As you go through the gate off of I-5, there is a 
billboard that is there, like you would see out in front of a drugstore 
or something, but it is an electronic billboard and it talks about if 
you need counseling. They have folks coming back every 4 months or so, 
some folks who have gone on their third and fourth tour.
  Think about it. You have families that live on that base. You have 
individuals the age of 18 or 19 years old, just single, that are living 
there.
  I had an opportunity to go through a simulator there at Camp 
Pendleton like you are in an Iraqi village or in a city, in Baghdad, in 
Fallujah. I have walked the streets of Fallujah. Mr. Altmire and I have 
done it. Mr. Ryan and I have been to Iraq on another trip. The ground, 
the structure, the folks dressed as though you are in Baghdad, it is a 
true simulation, and they have gunfire and IEDs and all of these things 
kind of going off in this simulator.
  Just walking through that was an experience for me, and that was just 
an enactment of what could happen or what should happen and giving our 
troops, our Marines, units going through there, a real flavor of what 
is going on.
  I can imagine being in the situation. I knew that I could walk out, 
the sun will be shining, it will be California weather. But when you 
are in that kind of situation, some folks feel that this is just some 
sort of made-for-television kind of thing.
  I love the troops. Mr. Ryan and I, we have been hearing this since we 
have been in Congress, because when we first got here, the war just 
started. We weren't here for the vote to go or not to go, but we got 
here right as soon as the war actually started. Some of the

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statements that are littered throughout the Congressional Record are, 
you know, ``our troops, we'll show 'em,'' and carrying on.
  We do have the best and the greatest and the most able military on 
the face of the Earth, by far. But when you start dealing with the real 
human issues of our men and women that are in combat, they go through a 
lot and their families go through a lot.
  What you said, Ms. Clarke, about we should take under consideration 
what happens to those individuals, it's not a game.

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  Mr. RYAN OF Ohio. Just to share a little bit, Mr. Speaker. We were up 
at Walter Reed on Monday. And you want to talk about the issue of war 
smacking you right in the face, when you see someone just a few years 
younger than we are without legs, traumatic brain injury. You hear 
stories from parents who say, ``I got a call from Iraq, and my son or 
daughter, all they told me was he had a brain injury, and hung up the 
phone,'' and they don't hear back for 4 days.
  I mean, when you put all these stories together, that one particular 
mom waiting there 4 days not knowing, the unknown of whether or not 
your kid is going to live or die; or you hear the stories about the 
soldier we had in Batavia, Ohio, where you didn't know; the body was 
missing, you couldn't find it, and then you find it.
  When you add all of this stress up and you put it into our families 
and you put it into the soldiers that are there, and you talk about the 
long-term health care costs of this war, not to mention what is 
happening there day-to-day there now, but the long-term effects when at 
some point this is all settled hopefully, one way or the other, at 
least our portion of it is and our troops are back home for the most 
part, the effects are still going to be left with us. And I don't know 
if any of you have had the opportunity to see, Phil Donahue has this 
new documentary out called Body of War, and it is all about the actual 
physical injuries that these families are going through. And I think it 
is important for us to remember that. And when you hear and read in the 
paper that 10 or 15 civilians or four troops, those are real people. 
And those kind of situations, when you have all these civilian deaths 
in Iraq, from a very practical standpoint, one is they are civilians 
and that is a whole other issue, but from a very practical standpoint 
it makes it very difficult for us to solve the political problems over 
there when everyone who is a part of the government are losing brothers 
and sisters and aunts and uncles who are getting killed by these bombs 
that are going off over in Iraq. It makes it very difficult.
  Mr. ALTMIRE. I thank the gentleman from Ohio. I wanted to think about 
this in the terms of what this Congress has done to resolve some of the 
issues that we are talking about right now for our brave service men 
and women and their families. Because anyone listening to this debate 
would say, well, that is great that you are talking about what the 
problems are; but what have you done to solve the problems? And I want 
to tell anyone who is willing to listen that we have a tremendous 
record of accomplishment in supporting our troops. Not just saying the 
words, but supporting the troops with our actions, not just our words. 
And we are in the sixth year of the war in Iraq right now, and here are 
some things that this new Congress has done, bills that have been 
signed into law to address the issues that we are talking about.
  The gentleman from Ohio talks about traumatic brain injury and the 
incredible impact that has had. TBI is the signature injury of the wars 
in Afghanistan and Iraq, because people who would have been killed in 
previous wars, thanks to better medical technology and better armor and 
equipment, thankfully they survive; but, unfortunately, in many cases 
they are horrifically injured, the type of injuries the gentleman 
witnessed at Walter Reed. I took a trip to Walter Reed, myself, and I 
saw the same types of injuries, the lost limbs, the spinal cord 
injuries and the traumatic brain injuries.
  But what happens is, when these men and women come back and they are 
still in the Defense health care system, they are treated for the 
apparent physical injuries that you can see in front of you. And 
because they are moving so quickly, they don't think to screen them for 
TBI if it is not a severe case of TBI. They move them over to the VA. 
The VA has no record of them having had a head injury, so it doesn't 
become part of their medical record and we have symptoms that go 
undiagnosed the rest of the time they are in the VA health care 
facility.
  So what this Congress did is said that every VA facility in this 
country has to have somebody on staff who is equipped and trained to 
treat traumatic brain injury, and we created a national data base for 
all of those cases where we establish treatment protocols to make sure 
that those brave men and women who suffered from TBI get the highest 
quality care anywhere in the country. That is something that is going 
to directly impact people's lives.
  Because of that law that we passed in this House and that has been 
signed into law, every veteran who enters a VA health care facility is 
going to be screened for traumatic brain injury, so never again will it 
go undiagnosed.
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. I was also watching our friends who were here 
before, and they were saying things like: We have been so unproductive 
in this Congress. We haven't really done anything; and the things we 
have done, they are all bad. And I wrote the quote down. They are all 
bad.
  Is this bad? Is this piece of legislation that we passed to make sure 
that our soldiers get at least looked at for traumatic brain injury, is 
that bad? We can give the gentleman an opportunity to come back here 
and maybe correct his statement, because I am sure he didn't mean it.
  But to inject the kind of politics that some folks have on this floor 
over the course of the past few years into this debate has really 
poisoned it; and these are things that have been successful.
  The largest increase in veterans spending in the history of the VA. 
Was that bad? Increasing the minimum wage. Was that bad? The education 
funding, more funding and more expansive, and the most investment this 
country has made since the GI bill and the education. Was that bad? 
Cutting student loans. Was that bad? I don't think so.
  So we are trying to have these debates here very civilized in a 
bipartisan way and talk about how we can improve the situation for our 
soldiers.
  I didn't mean to interrupt.
  Mr. ALTMIRE. I thank the gentleman for that clarification, because 
that is instructive when we do hear from the other side, the 
unproductivity alleged of this Congress.
  How about this. The gentleman from Florida talked about the 
tremendous strain, as did the gentlewoman from New York, the tremendous 
strain our families of our men and women who are in the Guard and 
Reserve that are being deployed not once, not twice, but multiple 
redeployments, four, even five times now as we head into the sixth year 
of the war in Iraq, and we have been in Afghanistan since before that. 
So these families are left behind, and they have to struggle just to 
make ends meet.
  What has this Congress done about it? We are being told on the other 
side we haven't done anything, we don't have any record. Well, let me 
tell you what this Congress has done about it. This has been signed 
into law.
  We expanded the Family and Medical Leave Act for the first time to 
cover the families of our military Guard and Reserve, people who are 
putting their lives on the line for us with multiple redeployment 
overseas. And now, because of the action in this Congress, you can use 
Family and Medical Leave Act time to care for a wounded service man or 
woman when they come back, to use time to reassimilate as a family, to 
get to know your kids again and get to know your spouse again after 
being away for 15 months. And while they are gone, the spouse can use 
that time to attend these deployment briefings that happen often during 
the workday and they can't get time off of work, they can use it for 
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it to get their economic house in order and deal with the household 
finances, things that weren't covered before.
  That is a law that is going to directly impact people's lives. It is 
going to make it a little bit easier for the families of our military 
Guard and Reserve, and that is something that we did in this Congress 
after the previous Congresses had done nothing to address the issue.
  So, I do take offense to the comment that the gentleman from Ohio 
relayed that had been made about how we had done nothing.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Altmire, I can tell you, it is a breath of 
fresh air. I want to differ with you all just for a minute.
  I don't mind our colleagues on the Republican side giving 
misinformation. I don't mind it, because American people have a lack of 
trust in what they say and very little understanding of what they do.
  We speak here in the 30-Something Working Group, Ms. Clarke, about 
fact, not fiction. We spend a lot of time working with the Speaker's 
staff, working with our personal staffs to make sure we are accurate 
when we come to the floor, because it does mean something when you come 
to this floor and share with your colleagues about what we should be 
doing, how we should be doing it, and what we have done. And I am glad 
you focused on what we have done.
  When I was in the State legislature, there was a gentleman by the 
name of Alzo Reddick that represented Orlando, Florida; I represented 
Miami, Florida. And I will never forget, I was like in my second year 
of public service or something and all of this debate is going on in 
the legislature; it was a great melting pot of opinions.
  We were going back and forth, and folks were spending a lot of time 
describing the problem. And he got up and he said, ``I just want to 
remind the members that we were not only elected to describe the 
problem, but mainly to do something about it. Okay? And now we are 
trying to do something about it with this bill.'' And he went on from 
there.
  And it was very profound, because I have a lot of folks in my 
district who spend a lot of time describing problems, and a lot of them 
I run into when I am at the grocery store or what have you, and there 
are a lot of folks who are on the sideline who don't want to get in the 
game. This is a contact sport in many ways in this legislative body. 
And when we were in the minority, we talked about what we would do if 
we had the opportunity. Remember that, Mr. Ryan? And I know that you 
all remember it because you were watching and a part of it and running 
for office at the time. So you were out there echoing ``what I would do 
once I get there.'' And I am glad you talk about that, because there 
was a laundry list. And, Mr. Speaker, you know prior in this hour we 
talked and I talked about some of the accomplishments we have made. And 
we have done it, Ms. Clarke, in a bipartisan way.
  We don't stand up here and dance in the end zone and say where are 
Democrats only passed this piece of legislation. There has been some 
legislation that Republicans have not seen eye to eye and it has become 
law. And we don't want to dance in the end zone on that, because the 
American people want to win.
  So I say all of that to say this. I very seldom make reference to 
what my colleagues say on the other side, because as far as I am 
concerned, I don't want to echo inaccurate information. But we do need 
to clarify it so that folks don't get concerned and start saying, ``Oh, 
my gosh. Do you mean to tell me that's true? Is it really true?'' So 
we're trying to build faith, because right now Congress is not where it 
should be as it relates in the minds of the American people that they 
feel good and warm and fuzzy. Polls have shown that they do feel more 
comfortable with Democratic leadership in Congress than Republican 
leadership in Congress. But as an institution and as a government, I 
guarantee you that Suzy whoever and Johnny whoever would like to see a 
government that works in a cohesive way toward the common good.
  The gentlewoman, Yvette Clarke, came to the floor with a purpose 
today. She came to the floor with the purpose of talking about the 
realities of life. And you know that we have Members here thinking that 
our commitment and our loyalty to the military comes in the form of 
smart bombs, guns, and some sort of grenade. But, guess what, it also 
comes in the form of thinking about their families.
  We just can't use and abuse and just say, well, we don't want to deal 
with that part that is after the fact; that is dealing after. Because 
when I was at Camp Pendleton, I stayed on base, as I do when I went to 
MacDill Air Force Base, as I do when I go to any location. I have been 
down to Norfolk, Virginia and big Navy. I stay on base so we can hear 
the stories from these families of what they are going through. And 
they say, well, we understood a Member of Congress is on base, and you 
bump into them: Sir, I just want to let you know how I feel as an 
individual. And that is important. And we have taken that, because we 
have had hearings in the Armed Services Committee, we have taken that 
into consideration in the Appropriations Committee. Mr. Murtha has done 
an excellent job by making sure that we pump dollars in on the family 
side and doing some of the things in our MILCON appropriations trying 
to do things to help those kids deal with the shock and the trauma of 
dad or mom coming home screaming in the middle of the night and they 
don't understand what is going on.
  So when we look at these issues, I am glad that we are addressing 
those issues, but we have to look at retooling this whole Iraq debate 
and how we got into this in the first place, because we are going to 
have Ambassador Crocker here, we are going to have General Petraeus 
that we have met with, we have met with all of these individuals before 
in the past. We want the real deal from them. But, as Members of 
Congress, we have got to stand up on behalf of the American people, be 
they Democrat, Republican, or Independent.
  Ms. CLARKE. The gentleman from Florida really has emphasized what we 
know is a challenge for America right now. And we are making the 
marriage here in our conversation, the marriage between the fact that 
we have to disengage from Iraq, that we realize that our policies have 
failed there, that it is now a diplomatic mission more so than anything 
else. And, yes, there will be a cost to redeployment, but the cost to 
American families has been extensive. And as our brave men and women 
come back to the United States of America, come back to our respective 
communities and they face the economic challenges that we have all been 
facing over the past couple of months, couple of years in some 
communities, that just compounds the whole reintegration process that 
is going to be required, the health care, the ongoing health care that 
is going to be required. And I think that we have positioned ourselves 
as a Congress to really meet those issues. We know what the challenges 
are. We have heard firsthand.
  And when you look at our first economic stimulus package that will 
provide child tax credits as a rebate to these families, when you look 
at that expansion of financing opportunities for those who may be in 
mortgage crisis; and, believe me that we can't separate the wounded 
warrior from the home they own in the community and the cost of 
gasoline to get back and forth to the VA hospital and the milk that 
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  This economic stimulus is going to be of support to those families as 
well. But they are going to face what we are facing as civilians in a 
very special way. And I know that the work we are doing here, Mr. 
Altmire and Mr. Ryan, is making a difference in their lives. That is 
why it was important for me to talk about the baseless rhetoric that I 
heard coming from across the aisle because I don't want Americans to 
overlook the fact that we have raised the bar and set the standard for 
how we are going to treat one another as Americans, how we face our 
challenges head-on, and come up with the solutions that are most 
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  Right now there is a crisis in health care. There is a crisis in 
affordable housing and mortgage financing, and there is a crisis called 
Iraq. There is a direct correlation if you put the equation together, 
the type of money that we have been spending on this war in Iraq, and 
let's not forget our soldiers who are also fighting in Afghanistan, but 
the primary cost, the overwhelming cost is going into the war.
  And our hope is that we will down surge, redeploy, have a surge in 
diplomacy and get our economic house in order in the United States of 
America and treat our veterans and their families as they ought to be 
treated, treat all Americans as they ought to be treated, and help them 
through this time of extreme pressure and extreme challenge.
  I am proud to be a member of this Democratic caucus that has looked 
at the landscape in its entirety, that is dealing with it in a holistic 
way. We are not compartmentalizing these issues because one has a 
direct bearing on the other.
  I see Mr. Ryan standing here in rare form, and I know he wants to 
chime in.
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. You were mentioning the troops and how complicated 
things have gotten.
  One of the things you mentioned was what was happening in Iraq, and 
Mr. Meek mentioned how we got in. I think it is important to recognize, 
and there was a great article today in the Washington Post, what is 
happening with our troop strength, where we are getting to the point, 
we have all of these troops who go for 15 months and come back for a 
year. We are hearing from psychologists and psychiatrists at Walter 
Reed that they are not getting enough downtime. It is intense, urban 
warfare. They are not getting enough downtime, and that is contributing 
to a lot of the psychiatric problems that our troops are coming back 
with that need to be addressed.
  What people are saying now in the military is that it has to be a 
year on or 15 months on, and 2 years off. Can you imagine if that is 
the recommendation. The recommendation is 15 months and then 2 years. 
Or it may even be 1 year. No, they are asking for 1 year on, 2 years 
off; and then if they have to go back, send them back. Can you imagine, 
that is the recommendation.
  For them to now say you wonder what the issues are going to be when 
it is 15 months on, 1 year off and back again, the psychological effect 
on our soldiers and the cost long term to our VA health care. I think 
that is important.
  I wanted to highlight this. This is General Richard Cody, Army's vice 
chief of staff who was testifying yesterday, and was talking about 
basically troop strength. Mr. Meek, you sit on the Armed Services 
Committee. You know how critical this is to where our country needs to 
be in case there is another conflict somewhere in the world that we 
have to react to.
  Right now what the military leaders are saying is that we do not have 
the capability to react to that. Now can you imagine putting this 
country in that position, that we can't handle two separate fights 
going on at the same time when that has been the golden rule from the 
military for years. And what Cody said was that ``I've never seen our 
lack of strategic depth be where it is today. The Nation needs an 
airborne brigade, a heavy brigade, and a striker brigade ready for 
`full spectrum operations' and we don't have that today.''
  Now if anybody wants to make a judgment, it is not the Democrats 
making a judgment against President Bush, this is the Army vice chief 
of staff who happens to be retiring in the next couple of months and 
maybe feels a little freer to say the kinds of things that need to be 
said, but if we don't recognize what position we are in, and then to 
have some folks saying we need to be there another hundred years, how 
are we going to possibly sustain this?
  Ms. CLARKE. That's real, Mr. Ryan.
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. That's the real deal.
  Another quote, ``There has been little, if any, change of the stress 
or tempo of our forces,'' calling the current pace of operations 
``unsustainable.'' That's where we are.
  To quote Cody again, ``Where we need to be with this force is no more 
than 12 months on the ground and 24 months back.''
  It is critical that these soldiers get the kind of rest that they 
need. When you look at the cost now, saying the projection, when you 
factor in the health care, and we are close to a trillion dollars for 
this war, and the projections, when you factor in the health care costs 
over time, this war is going to cost us $3 trillion.
  And we have Members of this body who stand up and want to slash out 
an earmark for $250,000 to help a local community that doesn't have any 
money put in an EPA-mandated sewer and ignore the 800-pound gorilla 
sitting in the middle of the room. It is a shame. It is a shame that 
the debate has gotten that messy.
  If we stay focused on what we have been trying to accomplished in the 
past few years, focus on the veterans, focus on making sure that there 
is an assessment for their mental health, making sure that they have 
their money, which we put up, the highest investment in veterans' 
health care in the history of the VA, those are the kinds of things 
that we need to focus on as a country in a time of war.
  I would just urge all of our colleagues to have this debate be 
civilized and not taken to the lowest recesses of political dialogue, 
which is sometimes I think where we end up.
  Ms. CLARKE. Mr. Ryan, you've put your finger on the pulse of what we 
are trying to accomplish here. It is our responsibility to redirect 
those who would take the debate to its lowest common denominator and 
distract the American people from the realities of where we are today.
  Where we are is a Democratic Congress that has risen to the occasion, 
that has filled in the gaps and is holding the line while others would 
seek to continue failed policies that are costing us more and more and 
more with each day. Basically mortgaging, you know, the lives of our 
children and our grandchildren in order to pay for it, while at the 
same time neglecting all that needs to be done to make sure that we can 
live a decent standard of living here in this country.
  So we have fought this and we are still fighting. I yield.
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. I think it is important for us to recognize as we 
have this debate in Congress, we recognize where we are at right now. 
And our friends are talking about their alternative budget, and I know 
my friend from Florida doesn't like me using quotes from the other 
side, and I understand that.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. You can do whatever you want to do. It's a free 
country.
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. It is a free country, and I am an American so I am 
going to say what I want.
  Our friends on the other side, this alternative budget, alternative 
this, alternative that, I think it is important for us to recognize if 
you want to know what the conservative, neocon-
servative, right-wing government looks like, all you have to do is open 
your eyes, read the paper, go to the gas station, pay your health care 
bill, pay your tuition bill, and you will know that philosophy 
implemented is the reality we are living in today. They deregulated the 
financial markets, deregulated the energy sector, gave billionaires tax 
cuts. You see this every day. Increased tuition, energy costs going up 
double the rate of inflation, milk going up 26 percent, eggs going up 
40 percent. And $3 trillion in war over the course. And you put all of 
this together and you say that's the alternative? That's what you want 
us to go back to?
  We spent the whole year just trying to get back to ground zero, 
raising minimum wage, cutting student loan interest rates in half, 
investing in alternative energy, implementing the 9/11 report, making 
sure that our veterans are taken care of. We are still digging out of a 
hole. Can you imagine, these folks raised the debt limit five times to 
the tune of $3 trillion, borrowing it from China, Japan, and OPEC.
  And the mortgage crisis, the anxiety people feel, that is the 
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don't have to look anywhere; we are living it now. Now. So we don't 
have to look too far.
  The other day the President said if the Democrats repeal the $18 
billion in corporate welfare for the oil companies, I will veto any 
bill that has that in it. Now can you imagine how screwed up the 
situation is. Consumer protection, toys, pet food, food coming over, 
medicine coming over from China without the proper folks checking the 
stuff out, mine safety has gone down so we have mining accidents 
because there wasn't the proper oversight. We know what happened with 
Hurricane Katrina and FEMA because we put political hacks in jobs. All 
of this happened under the conservative Republican agenda.
  So I just would like to say we are working very hard to balance the 
budget, make investments in education and our vets, take care of the 
environment, and make these investments in alternative energy so we can 
have green collar jobs replacing the blue collar jobs we have been 
losing.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I thank Mr. Ryan and Ms. Clarke. I 
am glad you both are in Congress.

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