[Congressional Record (Bound Edition), Volume 154 (2008), Part 1]
[Senate]
[Pages 852-857]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]




                      FISA AMENDMENTS ACT OF 2007

  Mr. BOND. Mr. President, we are on the FISA bill, I believe. Has the 
bill been reported? Is it before us?
  The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tempore. It has not yet been reported.
  The clerk will report the pending business by title.
  The legislative clerk read as follows:

       A bill (S. 2248) to amend the Foreign Intelligence 
     Surveillance Act of 1978, to modernize and streamline the 
     provisions of that Act, and for other purposes.

  Pending:

       Rockefeller/Bond amendment No. 3911, in the nature of a 
     substitute.
       Feingold/Dodd amendment No. 3909 (to amendment No. 3911), 
     to require that certain records be submitted to Congress.
       Bond amendment No. 3916 (to amendment No. 3909), of a 
     perfecting nature.
       Reid amendment No. 3918 (to the language proposed to be 
     stricken by Rockefeller/Bond amendment No. 3911), relative to 
     the extension of the Protect America Act of 2007.


                                  Iraq

  Mr. BOND. Mr. President, I wish to address the FISA bill. I also 
commend our majority and minority leaders on their statements about the 
lives that have been lost by our brave troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
  I believe there are a couple of comments that are appropriate.
  Number 1, it was said that General Petraeus said the war is not going 
to be won militarily. That is the key point which General Petraeus has 
brought to the battle. There is a kinetic and nonkinetic impact of the 
counterinsurgency strategy that General Petraeus has laid out and that 
is showing such great progress in Iraq.
  Today, the news is not dominated by Iraq. Those people who have been 
criticizing it don't talk about it because General Petraeus's strategy 
is working. It is not just the surge; it is the strategy, the 
counterinsurgency strategy, or COIN, as it is sometimes called. That 
involves clearing, holding, and building.
  There is a real difference between the approach we took right after 
the fall of Saddam Hussein, which has been haphazardly called the 
``whack a mole'' theory--we would go out, send our troops out, trying 
to keep a small footprint. We would also send our troops out where 
there was an al-Qaida stronghold and try to suppress them, and then we 
would leave. The problem is that al-Qaida would come back, and they 
would take vengeance on anybody thought to have cooperated. That 
strategy, apparently pushed by those who felt it would be--we wanted to 
maintain a small footprint and not appear to be taking an occupier's 
role--was not working.
  General Petraeus expanded upon the usual doctrines of 
counterinsurgency, and he brought a new approach beginning over a year 
ago. He said: We will send in troops to clear areas, working with the 
Iraqi security forces. When they clear an area, they will stay there to 
maintain security--that is clear--and then hold. And holding involves 
the U.S. forces working with the Iraqi

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security forces to train them, to provide them intelligence, logistics, 
medical support, to ensure that they can sustain the peace and the 
security in the area. Once they do that, then the U.S. Government has 
come in either with aid in dollars or with the work of the troops in 
the field to help build the infrastructure to provide the services, 
whether it is health care, whether it is reparations for damages, and 
show the Iraqi people that we want to turn over that country to the 
Iraqi security forces to maintain the stability and security which is 
necessary for the long-term process of establishing a democracy.
  I was there with a group of my colleagues from the Senate 
Intelligence Committee in early May, and we were seeing the beginnings 
of the effectiveness of that strategy. We went into Al Anbar Province. 
Six months before, it had been regarded as the headquarters of al-
Qaida. They were in control. It was their area. It was a Sunni area. 
The only way the American troops could get into the capital of Ramadi 
was to fight their way in, and then they would usually have to 
withdraw. But on this occasion, four of us went in, in a Cougar, with 
the commanding general of the region and two marines. We drove into the 
center of Ramadi, got out, and walked around Firecracker Corner--so-
called because of the continuing firefights going on there previously--
and we went to visit the embedded American marines with the Iraqi Army, 
who had bunked there, and the Iraqi police who were serving that area. 
They live together, they work together, they train together. You know 
something. It was working.
  We even went out to see the Blue Mosque, one of the holy places for 
the Sunni in Al Anbar Province, which had been badly hurt by gunfire, 
by artillery and rockets and bombs. The marines had gone in and helped 
repair and clean up the Blue Mosque, so it was open for worship again.
  The Iraqis began to understand that we would work with their security 
forces to help them take control of the area, and that is what they 
were doing. It continued to get better. I know personally from reports 
I had from one marine there, the scout snipers found that by midsummer, 
their services were not necessarily needed in Al Anbar because if 
somebody planted an IED--an improvised explosive device--or a terrorist 
came to town or somebody set up a vehicle factory to build explosive 
vehicles, the Iraqi Sunni watch told the Iraqi security forces, and 
they went and took care of it. The Iraqi Sunni police took care of it. 
This continued to spread throughout Al Anbar.
  Now, one of the helps--quite honestly, everybody will admit that one 
of the things that made it so easy for us to work with the Sunnis was 
that al-Qaida had shown their true colors. They are terrorists first, 
second, foremost, and last. They went in and they terrorized the 
people, even the people who at first were cooperating with them because 
they thought they were Sunni brethren. Well, they were not. They went 
in and had forced marriages, rape, pillage, murder, torture. They 
disrupted the activities, the business activities of the Iraqi Sunni 
leaders in the area, and they quickly learned that al-Qaida was not 
their friend and they needed us there temporarily to help them take 
control of their country. That is what we are doing. It is not done all 
over. There are still areas where we have not been able to provide 
Iraqi security forces sufficient training, sufficient personnel to take 
control of the area.
  Now, the majority leader said: We want to bring our troops home as 
soon as possible. As one who supported the war, I agree with him 
wholeheartedly. I had a personal stake in it. I wanted to see our 
troops come home. But as the President said, we need to return on 
success. We need to bring those troops home when they have succeeded in 
their missions. because as several men on the ground who have seen 
their comrades killed said: We have made too many contributions and too 
many sacrifices to see a political defeat declared by Congress, forcing 
us to withdraw, so that those contributions and sacrifices will be for 
nothing.
  When you ask the American people do they want to see the troops come 
home, sure, they do; we all do. But we want them to come home and not 
leave Iraq in chaos and to return on success. That is where the 
American people are. And they are returning on success. The 2/6 Marines 
cleared Al Anbar and came home several weeks early. General Petraeus 
says more will be coming home. But we have a vital stake in making sure 
Iraq does not fall back into chaos and confusion.
  We have laid the groundwork. There is much more political work to do 
at the national level, but political reconciliation is occurring from 
the ground up. The Shia in Baghdad are beginning to recognize they must 
provide financial assistance and support to the Sunnis. Recently, the 
Iraqi Parliament passed a reform of the debaathification law, which put 
out of the Government anybody who had been associated with Saddam 
Hussein. It was probably a bad idea that our original U.S. coalition 
commanders had to fire all the Iraqi soldiers and send them home with 
no pay, no jobs but their weapons; to throw out of office all the 
former Government bureaucrats who worked for Saddam Hussein. They are 
going to have to move carefully but quickly to get those people back 
who know how to make government run.
  General Petraeus has said that as we continue to build these forces--
the forces of peace who can run the Government--we will bring our 
troops home. We have been in Germany and Korea for decades. We have 
been in Kosovo for years. We need to have a minimal presence there, 
probably for a long time. But the primary responsibility of maintaining 
peace and security in Iraq is being turned over and must be turned over 
to the Iraqi security forces. We can back them up and make sure al-
Qaida doesn't make another run at them, doesn't bring in external 
fighters. These are the ones causing the most trouble, people coming in 
from Syria, or Saudi Arabia through Syria, and other areas--the 
terrorists. We have the ability to assist the Iraqi security forces to 
do that.
  Why is it so important we leave Iraq secure and stable? Well, Saddam 
Hussein was a real threat to us. Even though he did not actually have 
any weapons of mass destruction that we could find, we know he used 
them. We know he had the ability to restart at any time and that he had 
attempted to begin a nuclear weapons program. Most of all, he had a 
country where terrorists were running wild. We heard a lot about Abu 
Mus'ab al-Zarqawi, of Ansar al-Islam, the infamous butcher who 
delighted in decapitating people for television. His group became al-
Qaida in Iraq. Fortunately, we killed him. He and other terrorists were 
running loose in Iraq. They were waiting to get their hands on weapons 
of mass destruction.
  With the decline and decapitation of the Saddam Hussein regime, we 
made it much less likely the Government was going to provide weapons of 
mass destruction. But that was what the Iraqi survey group said was the 
greatest danger, that made Iraq far more dangerous than we knew, 
because with Saddam Hussein in control, terrorist groups running wild 
in a chaotic country could have provided the weapons of mass 
destruction the terrorists seek, and continue to seek, to use against 
our allies, our troops abroad and us here at home.
  If the place falls into chaos, there is likely to be broad-ranging 
genocide among the parties in Iraq, settling old grievances. That could 
bring other countries into the region, starting a regionwide civil war. 
But the most important thing is Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri, 
his No. 2 man, said the purpose of their struggle is to establish the 
headquarters of their caliphate at the land of the two rivers. That is 
Iraq, Baghdad and Ramadi. They want to get their hands on the oil 
resources. If they have unfettered access for establishing camps to 
recruit, train, develop weapons, issue command and control, then we in 
this Nation are much less safe. Return on success, yes. The 2/6 Marines 
have come back and others will come back on success. That is the 
strategy we have now and it is the right one.

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  Mr. President, I needed to say that.


                                  FISA

  It is now important to talk about FISA. I am glad we are on the 
floor. I think, as the majority leader has said, all first-degree 
amendments need to be filed by 1 o'clock this afternoon. We are 
available to do business and we look forward to working with our 
colleagues to see if we can make this happen in a timely fashion.
  I believe it is important this morning, for the Record and for the 
benefit of my colleagues and the American people, to clear up several 
things mentioned in yesterday's consideration of the FISA bill. When I 
say ``FISA,'' I mean the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act--the act 
that authorizes the President and the intelligence community to use 
electronic signals collection to get information on terrorist enemies 
and other threats to the United States.
  First, I will state the obvious. Yesterday, we had a very positive 
result in the Senate. The Senate Judiciary Committee substitute to the 
Senate Intelligence Committee bill failed on a clear vote. I believe 
the Members of this body recognized it was a partisan, unworkable, 
inadequate bill. It was written without any consultation with the 
intelligence community or the lawyers who know how FISA works and how 
signals intelligence is carried out. It was done without the 
participation of any of the Republican members of the Judiciary 
Committee, and it failed.
  Chairman Rockefeller and I have, as has been said, a bipartisan bill 
worked out over a number of months, as the occupant of the chair knows 
so well. We worked long and hard. We didn't always agree, but we came 
to a bill that passed 13 to 2.
  There were two problems with the bill--a good idea but unworkable as 
introduced. So we worked with the sponsors of that provision and had a 
very good idea that we need to protect American citizens, when they are 
abroad, from warrantless surveillance. It took 24, 25 pages to work out 
the details for it. But I believe that provision we now have in the 
managers' amendment, the pending amendment before us on this bill, 
accomplishes the purposes all of us on the committee support.
  I voted against the original proposal in the committee because I 
didn't think it was workable, but we have fixed that, and I am proud to 
support it.
  These are the fixes Chairman Rockefeller and I put together, with the 
help of Senator Wyden and the occupant of the chair, so we now have a 
functional, working amendment. The drafting has been fixed, and I 
believe we have a much better bill. We have an improvement over the 
original FISA bill and the Protect America Act, which was a necessary 
short-term extension that allowed the continuation of electronic 
intercepts against foreign targets overseas, without having a court 
order, which was absolutely necessary because the change in the 
technology in electronic communications had put too many of the 
overseas collections, which used to be outside the scope of FISA, 
within the scope of FISA.
  The Protect America Act had a lot of nasty things said about it 
yesterday. They were all wrong. What the Protect America Act did not 
do, however, involves two very important things the Senate Intelligence 
Committee did. By a 13-to-2 vote, we added the protection for American 
citizens overseas. It is very important. It added other protections as 
well. It also said those companies, the carriers that may have worked 
with the intelligence community in adopting or effectuating the 
collection of signals intelligence against terrorists planning attacks 
in the United States, should not be sued in civil court. That 
provision--protecting any private sector entities that cooperated but 
not Government officials from lawsuits--was necessary to end a string 
of lawsuits brought by opponents of intelligence collection who want to 
destroy the system, who seek money damages but who really seek to 
harass and drive communication companies out of the business of 
cooperating with intelligence officials.
  If they are successful, if they can drive and harass and bludgeon 
private sector entities from cooperating with intelligence officials, 
then our country will be significantly less safe. Those of us who have 
been on the Intelligence Committee heard the discussion that there are 
threats that continue to be raised and that this world is still a 
dangerous place. We need to be able to find out what our enemies are 
planning. We cannot have the entire Nation as fortified as the Capitol 
grounds and the White House grounds. We have a free and open country. 
Our only hope of being safe is to identify planned terrorist attacks 
before they occur.
  So what we have before us today is a workable, bipartisan bill. It is 
supported by the Director of National Intelligence. I will refer to 
Admiral McConnell as the DNI, the head of that agency, and the 
President would sign it into law. We started with a solid bipartisan 
update to FISA that is needed to protect the country to increase civil 
liberty protections and protections for the privacy rights of 
Americans. We should now all heed the first law of responsible 
leadership, and that is, first and foremost, do no harm with any 
amendments to be considered in the bill.
  I hope my colleagues will think long and hard before offering 
amendments, to make sure they have no unintended consequences and that 
they do no harm.
  One good way to do that is to talk with the intelligence community. 
Talk with the office of the DNI, talk with the Department of Justice. 
If you have a good idea, talk with them. Maybe there is a way your 
objectives can be achieved without interfering with the ability to 
collect information. If you don't, if things are offered that would 
significantly impair our intelligence community's ability to collect 
the vitally important intelligence we need to have, then I will have to 
oppose it and I will urge my colleagues to oppose it.
  We constructed a delicate, bipartisan compromise that is a good bill. 
I hope we will refrain from trying to deconstruct it or try to make the 
bill worse in any way before final passage. The American people want to 
have well-regulated intelligence collection that keeps the country 
safe, and they deserve no less.
  That brings us to where we are today. Senator Feingold yesterday 
offered an amendment over which the Department of Justice expressed 
real concerns. I understand those concerns, so I offered a second-
degree amendment that gives the Senator from Wisconsin three-quarters 
of what he sought, yet refrains from mandating that the executive 
branch provide Congress with pleadings containing very sensitive 
sources and methods submitted to the FISA Court. I will refer to that 
court as the FISC, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
  Three months ago in a committee compromise, I agreed to include the 
provisions of the Senator from Wisconsin in our bill, which calls for 
the opinions, orders, and decisions of the FISC prospectively, and in 
my second-degree amendment, I propose to go further and agree with him 
to accept his mandate to require the community to go back 5 years to 
dig up all the past orders and opinions which are of significant 
consequence but go back and find all those and give them to us.
  We have received in the Intelligence Committee, on a semiannual 
basis, the reports of FISC, orders and opinions of significance, and 
they have been available for review by our staff for each 6-month 
period. But we will order them to go back and provide them. I am not 
sure what he is digging for, but I think we are willing to work with 
him. It will be a burden on the community, but I think that is 
information that might arguably be useful to those of us with oversight 
responsibility.
  I am not willing to agree to mandating that pleadings be turned over, 
and my second-degree amendment eliminates them from his mandate. It 
also stipulates that this mandate would be levied with due regard to 
sensitive sources and methods.
  Even though I believe this mandate for tranches of documents, 
truckloads perhaps, puts a tremendous burden on officials in the 
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already given us semiannual reviews, since now they will have to go 
back and find, produce, screen, redact, and submit them to Congress, I 
am willing to work with the Senator from Wisconsin and others to 
include them up to the point of pleadings. I hope this will be viewed 
as a reasonable compromise.
  Regrettably, instead of working with me on this issue, the Senator 
from Wisconsin attacked my efforts to reach a compromise saying ``a 
ridiculous notion and disrespectful of the United States Congress.'' I 
was accused of ``hiding behind a tragedy in this country to make 
arguments that have no merit'' and trying to help the intelligence 
community ``prevent the Members of Congress from seeing the pleadings 
provided to an article III court.''
  These insinuations are not only inaccurate, but I believe they come 
close to violating debate rule XIX of the Senate, which says:

       No Senator in debate shall, directly or indirectly, by any 
     form of words impute to another Senator or to other Senators 
     any conduct or motive unworthy or unbecoming a Senator.

  I do not believe the accusations against me were appropriate in the 
debate. They only underscore the divisive and partisan intentions 
behind some of the efforts we are seeing on the floor, and I hope we 
can avoid future such accusations.
  I will restate for the record my reasons for eliminating pleadings 
from the required submission to the intelligence communities. These are 
not policy documents, policy of which the Intelligence Committee said: 
We don't like the policy of where you are going. These are not broad 
issues for legislative implementation. They are detailed analyses of 
sources and methods for collecting intelligence. They are submitted to 
the article III judge sitting at that time as the FISC judge to provide 
a basis for a warrant based on probable cause to allow electronic 
surveillance of persons within the United States, U.S. persons.
  It is possible those pleadings would include, No. 1, the name or 
other identifying features of the sensitive sources who provided the 
intelligence information they set forth. That could risk getting 
somebody killed. They could provide the identification and location of 
the collection facility. They could provide information on the means of 
collection. They would obviously have to provide information on the 
target and other relevant information.
  In the intelligence business, these are the ultimate sources and 
methods. They are highly classified because, if they were to leak out, 
there would be very serious harm done to individuals and perhaps even 
locations where collection occurs.
  So I believe the intelligence community has a legitimate reason for 
saying we are not going to share the sources and methods that identify 
the names of the individuals, the sources. I do not see that is a 
necessary element of our oversight, to know Joe Doe was the one who 
gave us the information on Ralph Roe and they needed to get the 
information through facility X using means Y. That is kept at a closely 
compartmental level.
  We have already in the bill that Senator Rockefeller and I have been 
able to forge with great bipartisan support a solid compromise piece of 
legislation, and that is the model on which we should move ahead.
  Today we have heard again some accusations that the minority side--my 
side--is stalling this important legislation. A quick review of the 
FISA legislation history over the past year is in order.
  The President declared he was bringing the surveillance program under 
FISA in January of 2007, 1 year ago. In April of last year, because of 
some changes in court orders, the DNI asked us to modernize FISA so it 
would be compatible with new technology. On May 1 of last year, he 
testified in open session before our committee and again he asked us to 
modernize FISA. Shortly thereafter, we were informed in the 
Intelligence Committee about the ruling of the FISC that altered the 
collection ability of that program, to the point where our intelligence 
agencies were shut down with regard to vital intelligence collection 
that would protect us.
  What was the response of our Intelligence Committee? Regrettably, 
nothing. We did absolutely nothing. I urged that we act, that we move 
forward on it, but our committee and Congress did nothing.
  Through May, June, and July of last year, the DNI's pleadings to 
modernize FISA grew stronger. After he came before our committee in 
May, he came before Members of the Senate in closed session in our 
confidential, secure hearing room. Over 40 Members were there, and he 
told us in July it was absolutely essential we move, that everybody 
said it was essential we move. We did not move until the final week, 
and we still did not have a committee hearing.
  I brought the DNI's bill, the Protect America Act, to the floor on 
Wednesday, before we had a vote on it on Friday. There were comments 
yesterday about how partisan and secret and one-sided the negotiations 
were, but it was not our efforts for the support of the DNI that were 
secret and one-sided. There were secret negotiations on the majority 
side prior to the passage of the Protect America Act.
  Several committee chairmen got together, shutting out Republicans and 
shutting out members of the Intelligence Committee from any 
consideration of their proposals. They were not vetted with the 
Director of National Intelligence.
  The DNI has been accused of going back on his word. I managed to get 
in finally at the end of some of those negotiations, and I can tell you 
that the DNI said he will go back and check with his lawyers on these 
issues. He did not agree to incorporate the changes that were suggested 
and, as suspected, when he viewed some of the proposals, he found they 
were unworkable.
  We never saw the bill the committee leaders on the majority side 
proposed to offer until less than an hour before it appeared on the 
Senate floor--before we were voting, actually, when it appeared on the 
Senate floor.
  During that time, the majority and minority members of the 
Intelligence Committee asked me for more information about the Protect 
America Act. I had a session in my office for members of the committee, 
bipartisan, going over with the DNI what the details of the Protect 
America Act were.
  Fortunately, on a bipartisan basis, we approved the Protect America 
Act. It was a stopgap. It was meant to serve for 6 months, but it got 
us back in the business of collecting vital signals intelligence. That 
is where we needed to be. We were not there.
  That was on August 3. Fortunately, on August 4, the House passed the 
bill, and on August 5, the President signed it, and we were back in 
business collecting information on new targets who were coming up on 
our screen.
  Because of the need to add a 6-month sunset, which I agreed with all 
parties on both sides was a good idea, that 6-month sunset expires in 1 
more week. It expires next Friday. Knowing that this law would soon 
expire, when the Senate returned from the August recess in September, 
the Intelligence Committee began working on a new FISA bill, and after 
6 weeks of constant work, deliberations, compromise, extensive 
discussions among staff, with staff, the members, with the DNI--and the 
occupant of the chair knows how much time and effort went into that--we 
produced the carefully crafted compromised legislation before us today 
on a 13-to-2 vote out of the committee.
  This is a model for the law we should pass in the Senate, a 
bipartisan product. The majority leader tried to bring up this bill in 
December before the recess, and I commend him for it. But majority 
Senators filibustered the bill.
  Make no mistake about it, the majority stalled FISA last month and 
filibustered the bill. At that time, the majority leader made a 
commendable plea to his colleagues. He stated any amendment offered to 
this bill, in view of its delicate nature and the bipartisan compromise 
it represents, should be required to meet a 60-vote threshold to clear 
any procedural hurdles in the Senate. This would also ensure it 
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  If we look at the history of the important legislation we passed, it 
passed this past year with 60 votes--60 votes--to ensure there will be 
a bipartisan bill. Neither party can pass something alone, without 
bipartisan compromise--getting 60 votes. The Protect America Act 
required 60 votes: That is how it was brought to the floor. The 
partisan majority committee leader's bill came to the floor with a 60-
vote requirement and it failed. We got the Protect America Act by 
meeting the 60-vote threshold.
  Sixty votes, for those who may be following this elsewhere, is what 
is needed to invoke cloture to shut off a filibuster, but it is a good 
principle when you have a very contentious, important, and technical 
bill.
  I commended the majority leader for his leadership and agree 
wholeheartedly with him now. In fact, if he were able to follow through 
with that offer now, then we would have already passed FISA last night. 
The fact is there is a majority of Senators who will not give their 
consent for such an agreement. They would prefer to deconstruct the 
Senate Intelligence Committee compromise and, by simple majority vote, 
transform the bill before us into a partisan product, thus gutting the 
bipartisan support--and the DNI's support, I would add--in this 
important legislation. That is little bit shortsighted, I believe.
  If a majority can be mustered to undo the important compromises 
worked out with the intelligence community, with the DNI, you can go 
through the act of passing the bill, but it is not going to be signed, 
and the monkey is going to be back on our back. We have an opportunity 
to pass a bill here that can be signed into law to keep our country 
safe. If we want to be in the situation where we were last summer, 
where our intelligence community was effectively deaf and blind to 
terrorist threats, then go ahead and tear up this bill, take it apart, 
leave it with no support from the intelligence community. And, by 
definition, if it is not supported by the intelligence community, it 
will not be signed into law by the President.
  I am asking that we go back to the procedure we followed before in 
passing the Protect America Act, that we used in passing other 
important pieces of legislation, and make it a bipartisan effort. The 
people of this country are crying out for bipartisanship. We got the 
Protect America Act on a bipartisan basis. We passed a bill out of the 
Senate committee that far exceeded the 60-percent test. We need to deal 
with this bill under the same rules. Gutting the bill with a bare 
majority, and plurality, as could happen under the current situation, 
is a bad approach. I say to my colleagues that if they can agree to a 
60-vote threshold for all amendments offered, then we can start voting 
on any and all of them right now, and we will go through them. There 
are some very important amendments, and there are very good arguments 
for those amendments. I hope my arguments on the other side are better. 
But we have to deal with this on a 60-vote basis. What I am not willing 
to do right now, and our minority leader is not and our side of the 
aisle is not, is to allow this bipartisan product to be dismantled on 
the Senate floor by partisan efforts that make FISA unworkable, loses 
the DNI's support because it won't work, and thus the President's 
signature. It makes for good politics but it fails to protect America.
  If the majority will work with us, then we are happy to have any and 
all amendments. I know the leaders may still come up with an agreement 
of that sort, but barring that, I don't see a way around this because 
we are not going to accept, by majority vote, a jumbled-up structure 
that leaves the intelligence community without the ability effectively, 
efficiently, and within proper constitutional and statutory 
restrictions to collect the intelligence we need to keep this country 
safe. We have to have a good bill. We have incorporated far more 
protections in the Senate substitute than have ever been in FISA 
before, and I think those of us on the Intelligence Committee, the 
occupant of the chair, can take great credit for protections we have 
added.
  National security is not red or white, it is red, white, and blue. 
The blues and the reds need to work together on this, passing a product 
the DNI supports so the President will sign it into law. Anything else 
and we are not helping the country. We are ready to consider 
amendments; we simply don't want to see the bill destroyed through 
partisan ploys.
  Mr. President, seeing no other Senators present, I suggest the 
absence of a quorum.
  The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tempore. The clerk will call the roll.
  The assistant legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. CHAMBLISS. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order 
for the quorum call be rescinded.
  The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tempore. Without objection, it is so 
ordered.
  Mr. CHAMBLISS. Mr. President, I would inquire as to what the pending 
business is before the Senate.
  The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tempore. S. 2248, the Foreign Intelligence 
Surveillance Amendments Act.
  Mr. CHAMBLISS. I thank the Chair, and I rise to support the managers' 
amendment on this piece of legislation as proposed by Chairman 
Rockefeller and Vice Chairman Bond. This is the result of a bipartisan 
discussion which included the Office of Director of National 
Intelligence and the Department of Justice. I commend Senator 
Rockefeller and Senator Bond on drafting this complicated yet critical 
piece of legislation.
  The Senate has had a healthy debate while considering the Judiciary 
Committee's substitute amendment. I was pleased to see a majority of 
the Senate reject that bill, and I hope the Senate can now move past 
that flawed bill rather than offering a number of amendments which 
contain fragments of it. There is no benefit to rehashing the same 
points in the Senate bill that was just handily tabled versus the 
Rockefeller-Bond compromise piece of legislation that came out of the 
Senate Intelligence Committee.
  The Director of National Intelligence, the National Security Agency, 
and the Department of Justice have stated their opposition to a number 
of proposed amendments which were part of the failed Judiciary 
Committee's substitute. The DNI has made it clear he would recommend to 
the President that he veto this legislation if it does not contain 
immunity for communication carriers, and rightly so. Some Members 
offered amendments to strike title II from the managers' amendment or 
to substitute the Government as the defendant in these lawsuits.
  But substitution will not give the carriers protection, nor will it 
protect our national security. The plaintiffs can still seek documents 
and other evidence from them through the discovery process at trial. 
This risks exposing our intelligence sources and methods, and there is 
simply no doubt about that fact.
  The Government can assert the states secrets privilege, but the 
ongoing litigation has shown that courts reject this theory. Even the 
FISA Court, which operates in secret and handles classified 
information, is not suited to handle these cases. The FISA Court 
primarily reviews ex parte requests and was not meant to hear regular 
trials. The members of the FISA Court are sitting district court judges 
and have their own full dockets.
  The risk of unnecessarily exposing some of our most sensitive 
collection if litigation continues is too great. The best remedy is to 
provide immunity to the telecommunication providers as the managers' 
amendment does. Other amendments propose unnecessary additions to 
provisions already included in the managers' amendment. For example, 
the managers' amendment contains a 6-year sunset and an exclusivity 
provision. Yet amendments have been offered to make this legislation 
expire in 2 years or 4 years.
  Additionally, an amendment has been offered to state that absent some 
other expressed order from Congress, FISA and title XVIII are the 
exclusive means to conduct electronic surveillance. This would require 
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pass a law authorizing the President to conduct electronic surveillance 
after an attack on our country.
  What if Congress were not able to meet, let alone agree on language 
authorizing electronic surveillance after an attack on our country? 
This amendment ignores longstanding debate regarding article I and 
article II powers, a debate the courts have dodged time and again. I 
support the bipartisan language in the managers' amendment which 
maintains the status quo of this important constitutional question.
  Finally, an amendment has been offered requiring an audit of the 
terrorist surveillance program. As I stated earlier in comments 
yesterday, the Intelligence Committee has conducted a thorough review 
of this program over many months, which included testimony, extensive 
document reviews, and even trips out to our intelligence agencies to 
witness how this program is operated.
  I understand that sometimes partisanship impedes action in Congress. 
But I do not recall when some of my colleagues have had such little 
faith in the bipartisan findings and conclusions of a committee in this 
body.
  This amendment disregards the committee's finding and asks for yet 
another retrospective review of this program. This is not only 
duplicative, but it is unnecessary. The Protect America Act expires a 
week from today; the threat from al-Qaida will not expire a week from 
today.
  It is now time for Congress to act and to fix FISA so our 
intelligence community has the tools it needs to do its job in a very 
professional manner and gather information necessary to protect our 
national security.
  Protecting our national security is in the interest of all Americans, 
and Congress should seek to ensure that our Nation is protected fully. 
The members of the intelligence community say the managers' amendment 
contains many tools they need to protect our country. I urge my 
colleagues to support the managers' amendment.
  I yield the floor and I suggest the absence of a quorum.
  The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tempore. The clerk will call the roll.
  The assistant legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll.
  Mr. DODD. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for 
the quorum call be rescinded.
  The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tempore. Without objection, it is so 
ordered.

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