[Congressional Record (Bound Edition), Volume 153 (2007), Part 6]
[House]
[Pages 9047-9052]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]




                     DEMOCRATIC BLUE DOG COALITION

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of 
January 18, 2007, the gentleman from Arkansas (Mr. Ross) is recognized 
for 60 minutes as the designee of the majority leader.
  Mr. ROSS. Mr. Speaker, tonight I rise on behalf of the 43 Member 
strong fiscally conservative Democratic Blue Dog Coalition. We are a 
group of fiscally conservative Democrats that are committed to 
restoring common sense and fiscal discipline to our Nation's 
government.
  As you walk the Halls of Congress, Mr. Speaker, it is easy to know 
when you are walking by the office of a fellow Blue Dog Member because 
you will see this poster that says ``The Blue Dog Coalition.'' It says, 
``Today, the U.S. national debt is, 8,887,793,986,597.86.'' And for 
every man, woman and child in America, their share of the national debt 
is $29,465. It is what we refer to as the ``debt tax.'' And that is one 
tax that cannot be cut, that cannot go away until this Nation gets its 
fiscal house in order. The Federal deficit continues to climb.
  Mr. Speaker, it is hard now to think back and realize, but from 1998 
through 2001, this country had a balanced budget; and yet under the 
Republican leadership for the previous 6 years, we have seen them 
rubber-stamp the President's budget year after year after year, giving 
us the largest deficit after the largest deficit after the largest 
deficit, record deficits. And as a result of that, we have seen the 
national debt grow to where it is today, approaching $9 trillion.
  Why does this matter? It matters because the total national debt from 
1789 to 2000 was $5.67 trillion, but by 2010, the total national debt 
will have increased to $10.88 trillion. This is a doubling of the 211-
year debt in just 10 years. Interest payments on this debt are one of 
the fastest growing parts of the Federal budget. And the debt tax is 
one that cannot be repealed. Deficits reduce economic growth. They 
burden our children and grandchildren with liabilities. They increase 
our reliance on foreign lenders who own some 40 percent of our debt.
  This chart here, Mr. Speaker, graphically depicts why the American 
people should be concerned about the fact that our country is nearly $9 
trillion in debt. You see, our Nation spends a half a billion dollars a 
day, give or take a few dollars, simply paying interest on the debt, 
and that is money that could be going for education, health care, 
veterans benefits, to properly equip our men and women in uniform and 
ensure that they've got the best body armor possible.
  And this really graphically depicts it, as you can see. The red bar 
is the amount of money our Federal Government spends simply paying 
interest on the national debt. The light blue bar demonstrates how much 
money we spend educating our children. The green box indicates how much 
we spend on our veterans. And the purple box indicates how much we 
spend on homeland security. Again, you can see overwhelmingly our tax 
money is going to pay interest on the national debt.
  It is time to get our fiscal house in order. It is time to restore 
common sense to our Federal Government. And once we do, we can begin to 
spend less of your hard earned tax money, Mr. Speaker, on paying 
interest on the national debt, and we can spend a lot more on educating 
our children, taking care of America's veterans, keeping our homeland 
secure, and the list of America's priorities goes on and on.
  One of the co-chairs for the fiscally conservative Democratic Blue 
Dog Coalition is Allen Boyd from Florida. He is our administrative co-
chair. I am delighted that he has joined me this evening for this 
lively discussion about restoring common sense and fiscal discipline to 
our national government. And part of the way we do that, we believe, is 
through accountability.
  Throughout the evening we are going to be talking about the budget, 
we are going to be talking about the debt and the deficit, we are going 
to be talking about accountability, not only at home, but also in Iraq, 
and making sure that the hardworking people of this country are getting 
the most for their tax dollar. I don't think that is asking too much. 
And I think it is very appropriate that on tax day we rise on the floor 
of the House to demand accountability for how the American taxpayer's 
money is being spent.
  With that, I yield to the gentleman from Florida, Mr. Boyd, the co-
chair for administration for the Blue Dog Coalition.
  Mr. BOYD of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I want to thank my friend and 
counterpart, Mike Ross from Arkansas, my fellow Member of the 43 Member 
strong fiscally conservative Blue Dog Coalition. It is a group that I 
have been a member of all the years of my service, 10 years of my 
service here in the United States House of Representatives, and it is a 
group that I am quite proud of their work on behalf of the American 
people.
  Mr. Speaker, like yourself, being raised in Indiana and Mr. Ross in 
Arkansas, I was raised in a little community in north Florida on a farm 
by parents who taught me very early that it was important that we, as a 
family, live within our means. We established our priorities as a 
family, the things that we had to have, needed. We knew what our 
sources of income were, and we worked hard as a family to meet those 
priorities. But Mr. Speaker, you know, we were taught as young people, 
as children, if you don't have the money, then you don't buy things 
which you can't afford to pay for. Those were lessons that we learned 
very well at an early age, taught by our parents, that we carried on to 
our businesses. And let's face it, if you spend more money every year 
in a business than you take in, you're out of business pretty soon; 
your banker pulls the plug on you.

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  We learned that lesson. Our local governments and State governments 
understand that, as well as our county governments. But something has 
happened in Washington in the last 6 years. In 8 tough years during the 
1990s of making tough decisions relative to our priorities and spending 
and getting under control the deficit spending, 6 years ago, 6-plus 
years ago, we went on a rampage here in Washington that sent spending 
through the roof, far outstripping the revenues raised to pay for that 
spending. As a result, we had to go into the capital markets and borrow

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that money to pay for normal operations of our United States 
Government.
  We have the most powerful government in the world. We have the most 
powerful Nation. We have the richest Nation. Our economic model is a 
wonderful, wonderful economic model. But we have forgotten the lessons 
that we all learned as children taught to us by our parents that we 
ought to be fiscally responsible and we ought to be accountable for how 
we spend our dollars.
  This is really what my friend, Mr. Ross, who is leading this special 
order tonight, the point that he wants to make. That is that when we 
take dollars from the American public in the form of taxes, and today 
is the day, April 17, which happens to be--since yesterday was a 
holiday someplace, today is the day that our taxes are due. When we 
take taxes from the American people, the American people expect us to 
spend that money wisely and they expect us to account for them and they 
don't expect us to waste those dollars.
  That is why some of the things that I have been seeing over the last 
several years in the way that some of our Federal executive agencies 
have spent the money and been unable to account for, and I tell you, 
honestly, Mr. Speaker, the Department of Defense probably is the 
biggest offender as it relates to accountability. Many of the dollars 
that we have appropriated over the years for the Iraq war, for 
instance, the Department of Defense cannot pass an audit or account for 
in how they were spent.
  I think you see one of the things that is happening in the last 
several months since the election is that Congress is beginning to ask 
the tough questions of the administration as it relates to how the tax 
dollars that are taken from the American people by the United States 
Government, how they are spent. Are we spending them wisely and are we 
accounting for them? Do we have contractors running amuck in Iraq, and 
are we getting our money's worth?
  I think this is an important time to be thinking about accountability 
and good stewardship of our American tax dollars. Today is the day. 
Midnight tonight is the time when that filing is due. You know, the 
people at home that I live around, they don't mind paying taxes as long 
as they know as a government we are setting our priorities and we are 
doing a good job of stewardship and accounting for the dollars that are 
being spent. I think that is what this is all about tonight, 
accountability; and I want to thank my friend, Mr. Ross, for leading 
this discussion.
  And, Mr. Speaker, it is great to see you in that chair as a fellow 
member of the Blue Dog Coalition.
  Mr. ROSS. I thank the gentleman from Florida for his insight and 
discussing fiscal discipline and the budget and demanding that this 
Congress reflects the values and the priorities of the American people.
  The U.S. is becoming increasingly dependent on foreign lenders. 
Foreign lenders currently hold a total of $2.199 trillion of our public 
debt. Compare this to only $623 billion in foreign holdings back in 
1993. There is a chart here that pretty much shows us where we have 
been and where we are going. The amount of foreign-held debt more than 
doubled under the Bush administration. Starting in 2001, you can see 
how many billions of dollars we were borrowing from foreign central 
banks and foreign investors, and you can see how it has gradually 
increased all of the way through 2006.
  Putting it another way, this President has borrowed more money in the 
past 6 years from foreign central banks and foreign investors than the 
previous 42 Presidents combined. You want to talk about a national 
security risk, I believe that alone is a national security risk.
  We are already 60 percent dependent on foreign oil. We know that. We 
see it every time we fill up at the pumps. And, Mr. Speaker, if we are 
not careful, we are also going to become too dependent on foreign 
countries to fund our government.
  I always enjoy David Letterman's top 10 list. I have a top 10 list. 
My top 10 list tonight lists the foreign countries that we have 
borrowed money from to help fund tax cuts in this country for people 
earning over $400,000 a year. That's right, year after year, for the 
past 6 years, we have continued to pass tax cuts, not for working 
families, but for folks earning over $400,000 a year. We didn't have a 
surplus, so where did the money come from? It came from our Nation 
borrowing to the tune of about a billion dollars a day.
  And before we borrow a billion a day, we spend half a billion every 
day paying interest on the debt we have already got, money that could 
go to our veterans, to homeland security, to education, to health care. 
Some 10 million children in this country today are without health care. 
Instead, it is going to pay interest on our national debt. Where did 
the money come from? A lot comes from the Social Security trust fund.
  The first bill I filed as a Member of Congress was a bill to tell the 
politicians in Washington to keep their hands off the Social Security 
trust fund. Republican leadership for 6 years refused to give me a 
hearing or a vote on that bill. Now we know why: Because they were 
borrowing money from the Social Security trust fund with absolutely no 
provision made on how the money is going to be paid back or when it is 
going to be paid back or where the revenues are going to come from to 
pay it back.
  When you go to the bank to get a loan, the banker wants to know how 
you are going to pay it back, when you are going to pay it back, and 
how much you are going to pay back on a monthly schedule, and so forth 
and so on.
  But the top 10 list, these are the countries that the United States 
of America has borrowed money from to fund our government in these days 
of reckless deficit spending:
  Japan, $637.4 billion.
  China, $346.5 billion.
  The United Kingdom, $223.5 billion.
  OPEC, yes, OPEC, our Nation, the United States of America, has 
borrowed $97.1 billion from OPEC.
  Korea, $67.7 billion.
  Taiwan, $63.2 billion.
  The Caribbean banking centers, $63.6 billion.
  Hong Kong, $51 billion.
  Germany, $52.1 billion.
  And rounding out the top 10 countries that the United States of 
America has borrowed money from to fund our government, Mexico, $38.2 
billion.
  It is time to restore fiscal discipline and accountability to our 
government. And a new member of the fiscally conservative Blue Dog 
Coalition who is helping us do that in this new Democratic majority, we 
are demanding answers to tough questions, we are demanding commonsense 
be restored in our government. We are demanding that this new 
leadership governs from the middle, which is where we are as Blue Dogs 
and where we believe the majority of Americans are, and the new Blue 
Dog member who is helping us do that is the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. 
Wilson), and I yield to him at this time.
  Mr. WILSON of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, this is a taxing time for America. 
As a member of the fiscally conservative Democrat Blue Dog Coalition, I 
welcome these opportunities to come to the floor and talk about fiscal 
responsibility and what we need to draw our attention to in this 
Nation's most pressing problem.
  Mr. Speaker, it is a skyrocketing national debt. As Congressman Ross 
has pointed out and indicated in numerous ways, it has just gotten out 
of hand. We are paying so much money of our tax dollars to pay the 
interest on the debt to foreign countries that we are borrowing from 
that it is really changing the face of America.
  Tonight, Mr. Speaker, the timing is especially good because April 17 
is the tax filing deadline for this year. As Americans, we race to the 
mailboxes with our taxes to meet the deadline, and it is important to 
note how our national debt affects each and every U.S. taxpayer. The 
average U.S. household devotes almost $2,000 a year in taxes to pay 
interest on our national debt, $2,000 a year just to pay the interest. 
That is about twice the amount they pay in taxes to help fund the 
Department of Education, veterans' health care, and homeland security 
programs.

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  Under this administration's budget, the picture only gets worse for 
American taxpayers. By 2014, the GAO says that more than two-thirds of 
revenues will be required just to pay the interest on our debt. Under 
this projection, net interest would become the largest Federal spending 
program, larger than Social Security, larger than our defense budget, 
and larger than Medicare and Medicaid combined. This defies commonsense 
and is not in line with our national priorities.
  An approach that faces this troubling reality is long overdue, and in 
the first 100 days of this Congress, we have proved that we are up to 
the challenge. We passed bills, Mr. Speaker, that benefit small 
businesses, and above all, we passed a responsible budget. It funds our 
top priorities, like strengthening our military and our homeland 
security. This is commonsense and this is what the Blue Dogs stand for. 
We want to make a difference by requiring and demanding fiscal 
responsibility.
  This also does something very important. It restores fiscal 
discipline and returns us to surplus by 2012.
  Mr. Speaker, as American taxpayers, we send our hard-earned money to 
the IRS. They should know where it is going. Today, too much of it is 
going towards paying interest on our national debt. With fiscal 
responsibility and cost accountability in place, this Congress can 
change what is going on and bring real relief to America's working 
families.
  Mr. ROSS. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Ohio for his work 
within the fiscally conservative Democratic Blue Dog Coalition in 
trying to restore commonsense and fiscal discipline to our national 
government, trying to give us a budget that will return us to the days 
of record surpluses instead of record deficits. Hopefully, as a result 
of the budget passed on this floor just in the last week, we will see 
this number start back down once again, because it is important; it is 
important that we put an end to deficit spending.
  One of the ways we do that is through accountability. Let me just say 
that if we are going to ask the American people to get up and go to 
work and pay taxes, we as a Congress should be held accountable and the 
various Federal agencies should be held accountable to ensure they are 
getting the most value for their tax dollars, that we truly are doing 
things that will honor their work and ensure that we leave this country 
just a little bit better than we found it for our children and our 
grandchildren.

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  One of the leaders in the Blue Dog Coalition, in fact, one of the 
founders of the Blue Dog Coalition that has done a lot in the area of 
accountability is the gentleman from Tennessee (Mr. Tanner), and at 
this time, I will yield to the gentleman from Tennessee (Mr. Tanner). 
Thank you for joining me this evening.
  Mr. TANNER. Mr. Speaker, well, thank you very much.
  I wanted to come tonight and join with my colleague, Mr. Ross. I 
heard what you have been saying and I wish this was not true, but all 
one has to do is go to the Web site of the U.S. Treasury and see for 
one's self how much money has been borrowed in the last 60 months from 
foreign sources, and I heard you address that point earlier.
  I want to talk about a bill that we introduced last Congress that the 
Blue Dogs endorsed and that we hope to introduce in the next few days 
in this Congress; and hopefully we can pass it this time.
  It has to do with the subject of, the theme of tonight's Special 
Order with regard to accountability. And this is not a Democrat or 
Republican bill. A lot of times these Special Orders are utilized by 
people who want to come and blast the Democrats, if they are 
Republicans, or Democrats who want to blast the Republicans on the 
other side, and that is not what this floor is for. Politics should end 
here. We all represent people in this country in a public office and, 
therefore, all of us represent not political parties in our jobs here 
but citizens of this country.
  This accountability bill that I want to talk about for just a few 
minutes, if I may, has to do with demanding that those whom we 
appropriate money to, any administration, Democrat, Republican, does 
not matter, actually manage the money so that we at least know where it 
goes. We may disagree as to how it is spent, but we at least, as public 
officials, ought to have the responsibility for ourselves and those 
whom we represent to understand and appreciate what it is going for.
  We have here in Washington, the Congress has, an organization called 
the GAO, General Accountability Office. The GAO is charged with the 
responsibility, as a nonpolitical branch of the government, to audit, 
among other things, other responsibilities, audit the various Federal 
agencies to see what they are doing with the money that we remove from 
people's pockets involuntarily. And I heard you mention tax day 
earlier. Today is tax day. We remove the money involuntarily from the 
taxpayers, the citizens of this country, and then we appropriate to an 
administration, any administration.
  Well, the GAO does audits as part of their responsibility, and they 
have reported to us that 18 of 24 Federal agencies could not produce an 
acceptable audit in fiscal year 2005, which is the latest figures that 
we have.
  Now, there is no private enterprise in America that could withstand 
that kind of either sloppy bookkeeping on the one hand, to be 
charitable about it, sloppy bookkeeping, or out-and-out negligence, 
incompetence, fraud, whatever one wishes to call it. Eighteen of 24 
could not do that.
  So last year, we, the Blue Dogs, designed a bill that said when that 
happens, when the Inspector General of any department or the GAO 
identifies any element or any agency of the Federal Government that 
cannot tell us what they did with the money that we removed from people 
involuntarily in the form of taxation and appropriated to them, this 
bill would provide that within 60 days Congress must, by law, hold a 
hearing to determine why it is they cannot account for the money that 
was appropriated to them or, in the alternative, if they cannot account 
for it, then it is simple: They do not get it.
  That makes eminent sense to me as a businessperson at home in 
Tennessee. I cannot imagine going to the comptroller or the treasurer 
of our business and saying, here is an expenditure of X amount of 
dollars, what did you do with it, and they would respond, I do not 
know, I cannot tell you what happened to that. That would not be 
acceptable in any private enterprise in this country, and it should not 
be acceptable here in the public domain because it is all of our moneys 
that we are talking about, 18 of 24.
  The other aspect of this bill is, in government talk, when the GAO 
identifies a high-risk program, what they mean is the program is being 
mismanaged, number one; or two, it is not doing what Congress intended 
it to do when the law was passed. Pretty simple. It is either the 
program is not working or they cannot tell us what they did with the 
money. In either event, Congress ought to hold a public hearing so the 
people of this country know that this program is either not working or 
that it is being so badly mismanaged, by again any administration, that 
we need to stop the spending.
  I hope as we move through this Congress that we will be able to 
actually enhance and improve on it; not only that, but actually pass it 
into law. It needs to be done. It has everything to do with the trust 
that the American people have placed in us when they voted for us to 
come here to this arena to transact their business on their behalf.
  One of the things I like so much about the Blue Dogs is that we have 
this quaint belief that the voting card that all of us possess as 
Members of Congress belongs not to either party leadership but to the 
people who hired us. That is, I believe, what the Founding Fathers had 
in mind when they created the People's House.
  And so, therefore, when we have all this talk about partisan politics 
here, it really has nothing to do with the philosophy of the Blue Dogs 
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believe we ought to work for the people that hired us, and that is the 
people in our respective districts who have every right to expect that 
when we come here. We will not only be guardians of the country in 
terms of funding what is necessary for national defense, and we are 
very strong on that, as you know, but we also will try as best we can 
individually and collectively as a body to see that the moneys that are 
being spent are being spent in the best possible way.
  I gave a talk at home over the Easter recess, and I told them, I said 
there are two things that are being witnessed here by this unbelievable 
not only spending spree, but borrowing spree that has gone on around 
here for the last 60 months. We have transferred so much of our 
Nation's treasure to interest, for which we get nothing, that we are 
degrading basically the tax base to the point where I am afraid in the 
future our country will not be able to make the two investments that I 
believe are necessary for our Nation's security.
  One is in the area of infrastructure. One only need go to any country 
on the planet where there is no infrastructure, no highways, roads, 
bridges, water, sewer, all of the things that private enterprise in 
this country can build around to create the economic opportunity, the 
jobs, to create the commerce that will result in further tax receipts 
for more investment, whether it be for water and sewer and highways, 
airports, bridges, roads, tunnels, anything like that, to see that the 
government must make those investments so that private enterprise can 
prosper.
  Nobody is prospering in these countries. We call them Third World 
countries, but they are nonetheless countries where there is no 
infrastructure. Nobody is doing any good because there is nothing to 
build around to create the economic activity, the commerce that must go 
on to make things happen. And so we are degrading our tax base by this 
interest that we are now paying, for which we get nothing.
  The second thing is human capital. From my reading of history, there 
is no country in the history of civilization and mankind, or humankind, 
that has been able to maintain itself as a strong and free country with 
an unhealthy, uneducated population. We are beginning to see the budget 
being cut in areas where, number one, we have to have public education 
because all of us, as American citizens, are charged with the 
responsibility not only for ourselves and our families, but we are 
charged with making decisions for our cities, counties, State and 
country. Without public education for the literally millions of kids 
who may not get that in their homes, because of various economic 
factors and otherwise, we have to educate our citizens. Thomas 
Jefferson said it as well as anybody.
  The other thing is health care. We are going to be taking up SCHIP, 
it is called, which is basically children's health insurance. We cannot 
afford in this country, in my view, to leave it better than when we 
found it with unhealthy, uneducated children, and so what we are trying 
to do is stop this ever-increasing encroachment on the tax base of 
interest so that we are rendered unable as citizens to do the things 
necessary to keep our country competitive in an increasingly globalized 
world. This is not just a hope. It is a necessity, in my view, that we 
be able to do that.
  So, as we talk about fiscal responsibility, we talk about this 
unbelievable borrowing that is taking place, what we are really talking 
about is balancing the budget, not for the sake of balancing the 
budget, but for the sake of stopping an ever-increasing encroachment on 
the tax base for which we get nothing.
  Last year, this country sent overseas $145 billion thereabouts. That 
is almost seven times as much as the so-called foreign aid bill. I do 
not particularly like the way we do that, but at least one can make 
some strategic decisions about money that is being appropriated in the 
foreign aid bill in terms of whether or not it will advance the 
interests of the United States in a given part of the world. Interest 
checks, on the other hand, just go to whoever bought our debt. That is 
a huge difference, and it is one I hope that people will relate to, 
understand, appreciate and hold dear when they make the decisions that 
they make with regard to who ought to be running our United States 
Congress.
  Again, this bill basically does not address who controls the Congress 
or who controls the White House. It simply says that all of us who come 
here as public servants ought to have that kind of responsibility to 
oversee and to look after the moneys that are removed from people's 
pockets involuntarily in the form of taxation and appropriated to any 
administration.

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  I think, and I am glad that the Blue Dogs share that philosophy and 
share that opinion, because oftentimes, all you hear coming from these 
microphones is, well, the Republicans are worse than the Democrats, the 
Democrats are worse than the Republicans, and they did it to us, so we 
will do it to them. That is not getting us anywhere.
  We have much more serious matters to discuss, and we ought to be 
talking about it in this Special Order. Tonight is one opportunity. I 
want to thank you again for allowing me this time to talk about these, 
I think, critical matters that affect us all. There is no Democrat or 
Republican; we are all Americans.
  As Americans, we are not doing what we ought to do to do the things 
that I heard Allen Boyd talk about awhile ago about what our parents 
taught us: one, live within your means; two, pay your debts; three, 
invest in the future. Unfortunately, we haven't been doing any of 
those, and it's going to catch up with us at some point if we don't 
reverse it.
  We are trying, we need help doing it, but we are going to keep 
plugging away at it.
  I am very proud of this Special Order that you put together. I am 
actually really proud of the work that the Blue Dogs are doing.
  Mr. ROSS. I thank the gentleman from Tennessee for his insight and 
his leadership on the accountability bill to restore accountability to 
our national government.
  Did the gentleman, I just want to make sure I understood the 
gentleman correctly, did the gentleman indicate that 18 of 24 major 
Federal agencies can't produce a clean audit of its books?
  Mr. TANNER. That is according to the GAO. There were six that were 
compliant with the Federal management, financial management law. 
Commerce, Labor, the EPA, the National Science Foundation, the Office 
of Personnel Management, and the Social Security Administration.
  The ones who were not were Agriculture, Defense, Education, Energy, 
Health and Human Services, Homeland Security, Housing and Urban 
Development, Justice, Interior, State, Transportation, Treasury, 
Veterans Affairs, Agency for International Development, General 
Services Administration, National Aeronautics and Space Administration, 
Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the Small Business Administration.
  There may be valid reasons why they could not tell us what they did, 
but we ought to have a hearing and find out what those reasons are. If 
they need help to correct it, and legislation to do so, then we at 
least would know that; and we could begin to work on that to try to 
correct this problem.
  But to ignore it is, in my judgment, an act of irresponsibility by 
the Congress and by the administration.
  Mr. ROSS. I thank the gentleman for his work on accountability within 
our government, Mr. Tanner from Tennessee, one of the founders of the 
fiscally conservative Democratic Blue Dog Coalition. Thank you for your 
leadership. Thank you for joining us on the floor this evening to talk 
about restoring common sense, accountability, and fiscal discipline to 
our national government.
  Madam Speaker, as you walk the Halls of Congress, again, it's easy to 
know when you are walking by the office of a fellow Blue Dog member, 
because you will see this poster reminding the American people, 
reminding

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the Members of the Congress that today the U.S. national debt is 
$8,887,793,986,597 and some change. For every man, woman and child in 
America, their share, your share, of the national debt is $29,465.
  Also, if you have any questions, comments on our Special Order this 
evening, I would encourage you to e-mail us at BlueD[email protected]. 
That is BlueD[email protected].
  This is a Special Order being hosted by the fiscally conservative 
Democratic Blue Dog Coalition talking about issues that we believe are 
important to the future of this country.
  I am delighted to be joined this evening by a new member of the Blue 
Dog Coalition from the State of Indiana (Mr. Ellsworth).
  Mr. ELLSWORTH. Madam Speaker, I had not intended to address the 
House, the people's House tonight. But as I sat in the chair you sit in 
just a few minutes ago, I looked out and listened to the other Members 
and reflected on why I was sent here just 90 days ago, or a little 
longer, and thought that it was my duty to come down and talk.
  As I heard Mr. Boyd from Florida address the group and talk about the 
way he was raised in Florida, it was very similar to the way Mr. Ross 
was raised in Arkansas and the way I was raised in Indiana. It reminds 
me of a story that I told a few times and PAYGO comes to mind.
  I can remember when I was very young, probably in the 10-year-old 
range, having my eye on a Sting-Ray bicycle at Sears and Roebuck in 
Evansville, Indiana, at the Washington Square Mall. Those back home 
will know what I am talking about. It was a purple Sting-Ray, metal 
flake seat. I think they called it a banana seat, if I remember it 
correctly. It had a sissy bar on the back and high-rise handlebars.
  For anybody in that age group, you will remember what I am talking 
about. I can vividly remember that the price tag was $55 for that 
bicycle. I remember going home and asking my parents if I could have 
that bicycle. They said, sure, when you save the $55, knock yourself 
out, you can go down and do that.
  I cut grass, and I delivered papers with my brother, and I had odd 
jobs until I saved the $55 and was able to go down to Sears and 
purchase that bike. That's the way you did it back then. You saved your 
money. You paid as you went. That's the way you purchased things.
  That lesson stayed with me to this day. I am proud to display that 
poster outside my hall, outside my office in the Cannon Building.
  But it's also a stark reminder, when we are talking about trillions 
of dollars of debt, that every Member of this country, every man, woman 
and child, that their part of the national debt is $29,465, is a stark 
reminder of the work we have to do.
  When I was asking people to hire me for this job, I can remember a 
couple of things they told me they wanted before they would send me 
here that they wanted me to guarantee them, that I would be honest, and 
I would be fair, and I would be fiscally conservative.
  When I started looking at the Congress, and groups to associate 
yourself with, it became very easy when I found out about the Blue Dog 
Coalition, the fiscally conservative group of Members, 43 strong now, 
that said we have got to bring this place back to order. I can remember 
a gentleman in Evansville, Scott Saxe, a gentleman I used to work out 
with at the Fitness Zone in Evansville. He said, you know, I am a 
Republican, but this has gotten ridiculous, the way our country spends. 
He says, we have got to stop this insanity.
  That is why I applied for this job, so I could come be a part of 
that. People come in my office every day, and good people. I call them 
do-gooders, because they are good people doing good things. They are 
looking for that Federal help that we can give them.
  But we can't give it unless we have that money; we save it in the 
areas we can save. It's tough, because you know these people are out 
helping folks every day. You want to give, because that's the way 
America is. We give to people that are doing good, but it's tough, 
because we have got to make tough decisions.
  But in the 3 months that I have been here, now going on 4, I see 
examples every day of ways that we can cut the waste, fraud and abuse, 
the things that we are doing that the American people, when they hear 
about it in the Eighth District of Indiana, they get really upset, and 
they should, and that is why I am here.
  Just a few examples: when we send contractors, no matter how you feel 
about the war in the Middle East, but when we send our contractors over 
on our dime, and they sit 9 months and never lift a finger on the 
contracts they are hired for, that is money wasted that we could give, 
put to something else, education, to help people help people.
  When we have pallets of money that are lost, pallets, skid loads of 
$100 bills that are lost, and we can't find them? That is not why they 
sent me to Congress. That is not what they expect us to do, to lose 
millions of dollars on pallets in the Middle East.
  No-bid contracts, we have all heard about those. Companies would be 
getting Federal contracts that aren't paying their Federal taxes. I 
don't think people mind paying taxes. They will talk about it. But when 
they drive on I-70 through Terre Haute, or I-64 through the northern 
part of Vanderburgh County or I-164, they appreciate those roads.
  When the FBI or Federal law enforcement agency does something good 
for them or the Border Patrol keeps their borders safe, they don't mind 
paying taxes for that. But when they are getting ripped off or losing 
money and are doing no-bid contracts, and we have companies being 
awarded Federal contracts and not paying their Federal taxes, is just 
plain wrong. It's not why they sent me here. It's not why they sent any 
of us here, and they want us to stop.
  Single-source contracts, let's take, for example, our military 
plants, and there are two companies that make the engines, but we award 
to one single source. It's wrong. Competition is healthy; we need to do 
it. It's why I am proud to join the Blue Dog Coalition. This Congress, 
both sides of the aisle, needs to work together to bring some sense, 
some common sense and fiscal accountability back to these Halls so that 
we can go back to our districts, proud, Republicans and Democrats 
alike, saying we are spending your money wisely, we are spending it 
honestly and fiscally and conservatively.
  Mr. ROSS. I thank the gentleman from Indiana, a new member of the 
fiscally conservative Blue Dog Coalition for joining me this evening 
and being a part of this discussion on how we restore common sense, 
fiscal discipline, and accountability to our government.
  Mr. Tanner said it very well earlier in the evening when he said the 
American people are sick and tired of all the partisan bickering that 
goes on at our Nation's Capitol. I can tell you those of us in the Blue 
Dog Coalition, we don't care if it is our idea or the Republican idea. 
We are looking for commonsense ideas, ideas that promote 
accountability, ideas that make sense for the people back home.
  Now, there are others that will come to this floor and talk about the 
Democrats being bad on this or so forth and so on, and there are 
Democrats that will talk about the Republicans being bad on this or so 
forth and so on, but the American people are sick of that. The American 
people get it. They recognize that we are all Americans first and we 
are in this together.
  Talking about accountability, this is a bipartisan issue that I would 
like to raise in the closing minutes of this Special Order. The United 
States is spending about $9 billion a month in Iraq, which translates 
to about $275 million a day or $12 million an hour. However, even with 
all of this spending, many believe that the U.S. Army is not providing 
our troops with the most technologically advanced and effective body 
armor available.
  If you ask 100 different people what they think about this post-war 
Iraq policy, you get about 100 different answers. But I can tell you 
that there is one thing that all of us, Democrat and Republican, should 
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and that is funding and supporting and properly equipping our men and 
women in uniform. This war has affected all of us. My brother-in-law is 
in the United States Air Force. He is in the Middle East region this 
evening.
  Let me tell you that 2 weeks ago, one of my constituents, Mr. John 
Grant of Hot Springs, Arkansas, brought this issue to my attention. Mr. 
Grant has become an expert on the types of body armor that are 
currently available in the market due to the fact that his youngest son 
serves in the Army National Guard's 39th Infantry Brigade. Arkansas' 
39th was recently informed that they could be deployed to Iraq by the 
end of the year. It will be their second deployment. I was there in 
Baghdad visiting them August 11, 2004, on their previous deployment, 
soldiers from my hometown, soldiers from throughout my district, people 
that I used to teach in Sunday school and people that, well, I have 
duck hunted with.

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  And they will be returning again, perhaps by the end of the year, and 
I believe that we owe it to this soldier, his family, and all soldiers 
and their families, to ensure that our troops are given the finest 
armor and equipment available.
  This issue specifically involves the U.S. Army's recent testing and 
comparison of Pinnacle Armor's so-called Dragon Skin body armor and the 
Interceptor Body Armor, often referred to as IBA, currently in use by 
the Armed Forces. Because of equipment shortages in 2005, some troops 
purchased equipment at their own expense, including body armor, and 
Congress enacted legislation to reimburse these soldiers. However, 
months later, the Army issued a ``safety of use message,'' which 
instructed all commanders to ensure that only IBA brand is used by 
soldiers, prohibiting the use of any other body armor.
  The Army's ``safety of use message'' also dispelled recent reports 
that Dragon Skin was superior to the IBA, citing that Dragon Skin has 
failed various tests and therefore does not meet the Army's 
requirements for soldier body armor protection.
  Military support organizations, such as Soldiers for the Truth, of 
which Mr. Grant is a member, along with Dragon Skin manufacturer 
Pinnacle Armor, argue that Dragon Skin did not fail any test. They have 
stated that the testing was biased, and they continue to stand behind 
their assertions that Dragon Skin is superior to the IBA.
  They point out that Dragon Skin has also been approved and is used by 
the U.S. Air Force, the CIA, the NSA, the U.S. Department of Energy 
officials in Iraq, the U.S. Secret Service Presidential Protection 
detail, some Special Forces units, and various police departments and 
SWAT teams around the Nation. However, our troops cannot purchase or 
use this body armor. I have even been informed that, as a result of 
this message, if a soldier purchases and uses any armor other than the 
IBA, this action will be construed as though the soldier has disobeyed 
a direct order and could, could, jeopardize his or her family receiving 
service group life insurance if killed in combat.
  It is not certain whether this is true, but if it is, I completely 
disagree with this policy and believe that our combat soldiers should 
not be denied the use of the latest and most effective body armor if it 
will result in the preservation of their lives.
  Therefore, for the protection of our troops, I am calling for a full 
investigation into whether the U.S. Army is using the most effective 
body armor for our troops' protection. We need an unbiased external 
investigation to determine whether the IBA is the most effective armor 
available. And if additional testing reveals that Dragon Skin body 
armor or any other brand is the superior product, then it should be 
provided to our troops.
  I am extremely grateful to Mr. Grant for bringing this issue to my 
attention, as there is no greater obligation we have to our troops, who 
risk their lives on a daily basis, than to supply them with the most 
advanced technology and resources available.
  I believe that we must demand that the most stringent test possible 
be conducted to resolve whether our troops are being given access to 
the absolute best body armor available. What might have been good in 
2003 might very well be outdated today. My only goal is to protect our 
troops in harm's way by ensuring that they receive the most advanced 
body armor on the market today as they carry out their mission.
  May God bless our country, may God bless and keep our soldiers safe.

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