[Congressional Record (Bound Edition), Volume 152 (2006), Part 10]
[House]
[Pages 13897-13904]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]




                           BLUE DOG COALITION

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of 
January 4, 2005, the gentleman from Arkansas (Mr. Ross) is recognized 
for 60 minutes as the designee of the minority leader.
  Mr. ROSS. Mr. Speaker, on behalf of the 37-member strong, fiscally 
conservative, Democratic Blue Dog Coalition, I rise this afternoon to 
discuss our Nation's debt.
  As you can see here, Mr. Speaker, today the United States national 
debt is $8,413,298,480,959 and some change. If you divide that enormous 
number by every man, woman and child, including those babies being born 
today, every

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United States citizen's share of the national debt comes to the tune of 
$28,120.
  In the Blue Dog Coalition we have coined the phrase ``the debt tax,'' 
not to be confused with the death tax or estate tax. The debt tax, D-E-
B-T, is one tax that cannot go away until we get our Nation's fiscal 
house in order.
  That is what the Democratic, fiscally conservative, 37-member-strong 
Blue Dog Coalition is all about trying to restore some commonsense and 
fiscal discipline to our Nation's government. As you walk the halls of 
Congress and as you walk the halls of the Cannon and the Longworth and 
the Rayburn House Office Buildings, you will come across these posters 
which signify that you have walked by the door of an office of one of 
our fellow Blue Dog members.
  We are concerned about this because, Mr. Speaker, from 1998 through 
2001, this Nation had a balanced budget, and yet under this 
administration and this Republican-led Congress, we have seen record 
budget deficits, the largest deficits ever, ever in our Nation's 
history. In 2004, the deficit was $412 billion. In 2005, it was $318 
billion. In 2006, it was $372 billion, and in fiscal year 2007, it is 
projected to be $350 billion, one of the largest deficits ever in our 
Nation's history.
  One of the first bills I filed as a Member of Congress when I got 
here back in 2001 was a bill to tell the politicians in Washington to 
keep their hands off the Social Security trust fund. The Republican 
leadership in this Congress refused to give me a hearing or a vote on 
that bill, and now we know why, because the real deficit projected for 
fiscal year 2007 is not $280 billion or $350 billion, depending on 
whose numbers you want to believe. It is really $545 billion. So where 
does the difference come about? It is because this Republican Congress 
and this administration is counting the Social Security trust fund, and 
that is wrong.
  When you and I go to the bank to get a loan, our banker wants to know 
how we are going to pay it back, when are we going to pay it back, and 
yet this Republican Congress continues to give us the largest budget 
deficits ever in our Nation's history while borrowing money from the 
Social Security trust fund with no provision being made on how or when 
that money will be paid back.
  Where is it going come from? They cannot tell us. When is it going to 
be paid back? They cannot tell us. Social Security has kept over half 
the seniors in America out of poverty. It is time for this Republican 
Congress to keep their hands off the Social Security trust fund.
  Now, why is this debt so important? Total national debt from 1789 to 
2000 was $5.67 trillion.

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  Let me repeat that. From 1789 until 2000, the total national debt was 
$5.67 trillion. But by 2010, the total national debt will have 
increased to $10.88 trillion. This is a doubling. This is a doubling of 
the 211-year debt in just 10 years.
  Another reason that deficits should matter, Mr. Speaker, is because 
interest payments on this debt are one of the fastest growing parts of 
the Federal budget, and the debt tax, D-e-b-t tax, is one that cannot 
be repealed until we get back to the days of a balanced budget.
  Not only is our Nation borrowing $1 billion a day; this number is 
going up by about $1 billion a day. Our Nation is borrowing $1 billion 
a day. More important than that, our Nation is spending a half a 
billion dollars, $500 million, every single day simply paying interest 
on the national debt that we already got before it goes up another 
billion dollars a day.
  I represent a very poor district in Arkansas. We have a lot of hope 
in creating economic opportunities by building new highways. We need 
$1.6 billion to complete Interstate 69. It sounds like a staggering 
number until you think about it. If we did not have this debt, we could 
build Interstate 69 with 3 days' interest on the national debt.
  Mr. Speaker, our government will spend more money in the next 4 days 
paying interest, not principal, just interest on the national debt, 
than what it would cost to completely build Interstate 69 through 
Arkansas.
  Interstate 49 will also be critical to creating economic 
opportunities and jobs for my district. We need $1.5 billion to finish 
it. Again, a staggering number until you think about we are spending 
$500 million every 24 hours simply paying interest on the debt we 
already got before it goes up another billion dollars today.
  We could complete Interstate 49 with just 3 days' interest on the 
national debt. Hot Springs, Arkansas: We need about $200 million to 
complete the expressway around Hot Springs. $80 million to get it up 
the hill, and up the mountain and another 100 to 200 million to get it 
back down and totally completed. $80 million would be nice. $200 
million would be better. We could complete the Hot Springs Expressway 
with just a few hours' interest on the national debt.
  El Dorado, Arkansas, the largest town in my district not located on a 
four-lane highway, desperately needs four-lane access. We could four-
lane U.S. Highway 167 for about $400 million. Put it another way, we 
could four-lane U.S. Highway 167 from Little Rock to El Dorado and 
connect on down to Louisiana to I-20 with less than 1 day's interest on 
the national debt.
  Interstate I-530, $200 million to complete that project that is also 
under construction. A lot of money. But just a few hours' interest on 
the national debt. In fact, Mr. Speaker, we could build 200 brand-new 
elementary schools every single day in America just with the interest 
we are spending on the national debt. We cannot meet America's 
priorities as it relates to reducing our dependence on foreign oil.
  In fact, Mr. Speaker, we will spend, we will spend more money in Iraq 
in the next 8 hours than we will spend on research and development of 
bio-refineries in the next 365 days.
  Health care, education, making the kind of advancements to our 
Nation's infrastructure that we so desperately need, the kind of 
investments that we saw under Roosevelt with the WPA program to help 
get us out of the Great Depression, or with Eisenhower with the 
interstate program, these kinds of priorities for America will continue 
to go unmet until we get our Nation's fiscal house in order.
  That is why as a member of the Blue Dog Coalition I am here to talk 
about this debt, and this deficit, because America has many priorities. 
Many priorities that continue to go unmet as our Nation continues to 
borrow $1 billion a day, as our Nation continues to spend half a 
billion a day, $500 million a day, simply paying interest on the 
national debt. Meanwhile, America's priorities continue to go 
neglected.
  Now why should deficits matter other than all of these reasons I have 
already given you? Deficits reduce economic growth. We all know that. 
Look how much better the economy was in the 1990s when we had a 
balanced budget. Deficits burden our children and our grandchildren.
  It is wrong for us to borrow money from other countries to give tax 
cuts to people here earning over $400,000 a year and leave our children 
to pay the bill. How would you like to go to the bank and tell your 
banker you want to borrow money to build this new house, but you are 
not going to pay for it, you are just going to leave the bills for your 
children? You know, Mr. Banker, I have got two wonderful children. I am 
going to make sure they get a wonderful education, grow up, get a good 
job. They are going to pay for this house. The banker would try to have 
you locked up as being mentally insane.
  Yet that is how we are running our country today. In fact, deficits 
do matter because they increase our reliance on foreign lenders, 
foreign lenders who now own over 40 percent of our debt. Where is this 
money coming from that we are borrowing? 40 percent. As we know, some 
of it is coming from the Social Security trust fund with no provision 
on how or when it is going to be paid back.
  Well, where is the rest of this debt coming from? We are borrowing $1 
billion a day. Where is it coming from? Is it coming from your hometown 
bank? I do not think so. It is coming from foreign central banks and 
foreign investors.

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  In fact, Mr. Speaker, the United States of America is becoming 
increasingly dependent on foreign lenders to fund our lifestyle, which 
is give me tax cuts if I make over $400,000 a year, borrow the money 
from China and let my kids worry about paying it back. That is the way 
this Republican Congress is running America.
  Foreign lenders. Foreign lenders currently hold a total of more than 
$2 trillion of our public debt. Compare this to only $23 billion in 
foreign holdings back in 1993. The top 10 list. The top 10 current 
lenders. America continues to pass tax cuts for folks earning over 
$400,000 a year with money that we are borrowing, because we are 
borrowing $1 billion a day, with money they are borrowing from whom? 
Here is the top 10: Japan, The United States of America owes Japan 
$640.1 billion; China, $321.4 billion. As my friend and a founder of 
the Blue Dogs, Mr. Tanner, has so eloquently stated and pointed out 
before, if China decides to invade Taiwan, the United States of America 
will have to go to China to borrow more money to defend Taiwan.
  The United Kingdom, $179.5 billion; OPEC, imagine that. We wonder why 
gas is approaching $3 a gallon. Our Nation has borrowed $98 billion 
from OPEC to fund tax cuts for folks in this country earning over 
$400,000 a year.
  Korea, the United States of America has borrowed $72.4 billion from 
Korea; Taiwan, we have borrowed $68.9 billion; the Caribbean banking 
centers, $61.7 billion; Hong Kong, $46.6 billion; Germany, $46.5 
billion. And are you ready for this? Rounding out the top 10 countries 
that our Nation borrows money from to fund our out-of-control deficit 
spending to the tune of $1 billion a day, we have now borrowed $40.1 
billion from Mexico.
  Now, Mr. Speaker, when an American family sits down around the dinner 
table to pay their bills and budget for their household, they include 
all of their family obligations, their mortgage, their car payment, 
their credit card bills, their education expenses, you name it. Those 
hardworking folks take into account the cost of a 4-year education for 
their children, not just for one year of it.
  They take into account their car payment, and how many years it is 
going to take to pay for that car, not just to drive it for a year. 
When they mortgage their homes, they take into account how long and by 
what means they will be able to afford their housing, not just live in 
it for a year.
  And you know what, Mr. Speaker, they expect the same from their 
government. And yet as we can see, July 11, today, Los Angeles Times 
editorial entitled ``Another Mission Accomplished,'' I am not going to 
read all of the editorial, but the first two paragraphs are worth 
reading:
  ``The release of the White House mid-session budget review is an 
annual event normally marked by a few wonkish observations and the 
routine updating of various spreadsheets, not by a full-dress 
Presidential dog-and-pony show.
  ``President Bush plans to preside today, with Members of Congress and 
invited guests in attendance. By all indications, including his own, in 
his weekly radio address last Saturday, he plans to turn this into a 
celebration just in time for the fall campaign.
  ``This is proof, if anyone still needs it, that this administration 
is desperate for something to boast about. On Mr. Bush's watch, triple-
digit budget surpluses have turned into annual triple-digit budget 
deficits. There is no information in the mid-session report to alter 
that utterly disparaging fact.
  ``Yes, the report is expected to project that this year's deficit 
will be somewhat less gargantuan than last year's, probably somewhere 
between 280 and $300 billion versus a $318 billion shortfall in 2005. 
That is not much to crow about.''
  That is an editorial that appeared today in the Los Angeles Times 
entitled ``Another Mission Accomplished.'' It goes on. But the point is 
that this administration is so desperate for some good news that they 
are having a celebration to celebrate that our Nation is not going to 
borrow $318 billion as it did in 2005; it is only going to borrow 
between 280 and $300 billion in fiscal year 2006. Mr. Speaker, I submit 
to you that our Nation borrowing nearly $1 billion a day is nothing to 
celebrate.
  Now, contrary to this administration's rhetoric in light of these new 
numbers touted today, we have yet to get government spending under 
control. Instead of talking about 1 year, we should have a real plan to 
deal with the realities of our long-term debt and deficit, just like 
American families do for their financial obligations.
  A perfect example of this is how we are handling our obligation in 
Iraq. I believe we all support our troops. I hope we do. I have got a 
brother-in-law who spent Christmas refueling Air Force planes over in 
Afghanistan. My first cousin's wife gave birth to their first child 
during his service in Iraq. We honor all of those who have and who 
continue to serve our country in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere.
  Where I disagree with this President is on the point of 
accountability. This President, this Republican Congress, is sending 
$279 million of your tax money to Iraq every day. And yet if you ask 
him to be accountable for it, if you ask him for a plan on how that 
money is being spent and how it will win the peace and ultimately bring 
our men and women in uniform home, he will tell you you are being 
unpatriotic. That is where I disagree with this President.
  We just entered our fourth year in this war, and I believe if we are 
going to send $279 million of your tax money to Iraq every day, this 
administration and this Republican Congress should be held accountable 
for how that money is being spent.
  But we are still finding it piecemeal; we are still excluding the 
cost of the war from our annual spending process. We are passing a 
number of supplemental appropriation bills to pay for it that mask the 
war's true cost. It is time, it is past time that this administration 
be up front with the American people and include these important costs 
in their annual budget estimates.
  Only then, Mr. Speaker, only then will we be able to celebrate a real 
decline in deficits. Again, Mr. Speaker, the U.S. national debt as of 
today is $8,413,298,480,959 and some change.
  For every man, woman and child in America their share is $28,120. 
What is staggering is that by the time we conclude this hour on the 
floor today, the U.S. national debt will have risen to the tune of more 
than $41,666,000.

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  At this time, Mr. Speaker, I would like to yield to the gentleman 
from Florida, Mr. Allen Boyd, one of the founding members and one of 
the real leaders of the fiscally conservative 37-member strong 
Democratic Blue Dog Coalition as we continue to talk more about the 
debt and the deficit and accountability. Mr. Speaker, I yield to my 
friend, the gentleman from Florida, Mr. Boyd.
  Mr. BOYD. Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the gentleman from Arkansas 
for yielding, and I also want to thank him for his leadership. He has 
led these special orders for the Blue Dog Coalition now for quite a 
while on a weekly basis to try to deliver the message to the American 
people in an honest and straightforward way about the fiscal situation 
of our Nation's government.
  Mr. Speaker, I was glad to hear him talk a little bit about Iraq. 
Iraq is a situation that we are having a great debate in this country 
about, and I think that he made the point that we all very strongly 
support the men and women. Once we established the mission and sent 
them over there to perform and carry out that mission, it is clear that 
we support them. It doesn't mean that we can't have an honest and open 
dialogue and debate about the policy.
  Mr. Speaker, is appalling to me as a person who wore the uniform 
during the Vietnam era to see those Members of the House of 
Representatives and the U.S. Senate, or anybody that might oppose the 
policy that the United States Government has, to have them called 
unpatriotic. So I appreciate the gentleman from Arkansas bringing up 
that point.
  I also, Mr. Speaker, came here today to talk a little bit about 
fiscal responsibility and to assist my friend from

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Arkansas in talking about the national debt. Mr. Speaker, I find it 
appalling to hear the partisan political rhetoric that goes on in these 
Chambers, rhetoric which celebrates a Federal budget annual deficit of 
$300 billion.
  Now, most of us that have run a business, Mr. Speaker, know that at 
the end of the day your revenues have to match your expenditures, or 
else you either have to borrow money with a long-term plan to pay it 
back, or a short-term plan and show your banker how you can pay it back 
that year.
  Mr. Speaker, this administration and this Republican-led Congress 
over the last 5 years have run our government into a situation where we 
have a structural deficit built in. There is not an economist anywhere 
around that will tell you under the current revenue taxing system and 
the current spending habits of this Congress and this administration 
that we will have a balanced budget anywhere in the future. We all know 
that we have to make some structural changes to the way we are doing 
business. So when I see somebody celebrating a $300 billion annual 
deficit, it saddens me in a lot of ways.
  What Mr. Ross and the other members of the Blue Dog Coalition want 
for the American people is an effort by this Congress and this 
administration to address our fiscal situation honestly. Honestly, Mr. 
Speaker. What is wrong with telling the American people what the true 
fiscal situation is as it relates to our Federal Government?
  We would like to see the Treasury's financial report that Mr. Ross 
made mention of earlier in his comments that is published by the 
Government Accounting Office and accounts for all spending, current and 
future. Had we seen this report last year, it would have told us that 
the Federal budget actually was $760 billion, not $350 billion as 
reported. And do you know what, ladies and gentlemen? It won't change 
much this year.
  The Blue Dogs would like to see an earnest effort to institute 
commonsense principles in our budgeting process, just principles which 
every businessman and businesswoman in this country understands that 
you have to live by if you are going to have a successful business. In 
our Federal budgeting process, those would translate into discretionary 
spending caps, something that in 1997, when I first came to this 
Congress working together with Republicans and Democrats.
  Working together, we had a Democratic President, we had a Republican-
controlled House and Senate; they all sat at the table together, and 
they talked honestly with each other, and they laid the numbers out on 
the table, ``Here is where we are; here is what it will take to get us 
back into balance.'' Discretionary spending caps. Put some caps on 
spending. Use the PAYGO rule.
  What does PAYGO mean? A PAYGO rule means that if you are going to 
spend something over here, that you have to find a place either to cut 
spending on this side or raise the revenue from some source. If you are 
going to decrease revenue over here through a tax cut, you are going to 
have to find a place to raise that revenue someplace else. Those are 
commonsense PAYGO rules. That way we won't be taking spending more than 
we are taking in.
  Something, Mr. Speaker, that we voted on the first 4 years I was in 
this Congress, I think we voted on it no less than seven or eight 
times, and that is a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, a 
constitutional balanced budget amendment which requires us, as a 
Congress and administration, to balance our budget.
  It seems that we don't have the political will under the current 
leadership to make these tough decisions from a legislative or an 
executive branch, so maybe it is time to consider a constitutional 
requirement that would force the Congress and the administration to 
balance this budget. If we don't, we will continue to see that number 
of $8,413,298,480,959 continue to go up.
  Mr. Speaker, Mr. Ross may not know this, but when I came to the 
Congress in 1997, that number was less than $5.5 trillion. It has gone 
up over $3 trillion since I came here. It was $5.6 trillion when 
President Bush was elected and took office in January of 2001. So it 
has gone up about $2.8 trillion since this President came into office.
  Again, Mr. Speaker, I find it appalling that the political rhetoric 
would cause us to celebrate a $300 billion annual deficit. That is over 
10 percent of our Federal budget, over $300 billion, over 10 percent of 
our Federal budget. We have to go out into the capital markets, and Mr. 
Ross has done a good job of explaining where those capital markets are, 
in China and Japan and Mexico and other countries.
  In years past, those deficits were financed locally, mostly by war 
bonds and other bonds that were sold domestically, but not anymore. And 
I think that would lead us into a situation which could be very 
dangerous for us from an economic standpoint and a national security 
standpoint.
  In addition to the things that I have talked about that I would like 
to see, the Blue Dogs would like to see implemented into a budgeting 
process, and that is discretionary spending caps, PAYGO rules, balanced 
budget amendment, we would like to see the government act responsibly 
like most every responsible family in America and save for emergencies.
  We are always going to have emergencies, we are always going to have 
a hurricane or a tornado or an earthquake or a flood, or we are always 
going to be engaged somewhere around the world in a military action. 
Why not set up a rainy day fund for future emergencies and put money 
into it so that we won't have to, on an annual basis and sometimes even 
more than once a year, come back to the appropriations process and pass 
an off-book emergency spending bill?
  Why do we do that? Well, again, I think it has to do with partisan 
politics, and that is, if you pass a budget originally which pretends 
that you can live within your means, but you know you have left off a 
lot of things, you might fool some people, but you are not going to 
fool many people for very long.
  Mr. Speaker, I spoke earlier about what happened in 1997 shortly 
after I came to Congress in which we all sat together, Republicans, 
Democrats, House leaders, Senate leaders, sat together and developed a 
long-term plan to get us out of our Federal debt or out of annual 
deficits and put us into a balanced budget. We did that, and guess 
what. Once we put that plan in place, everybody bought into it, the 
economy continued to grow.
  The economy in America has always grown. I mean, if things are even 
halfway normal, you are going to have more tax revenues the next year 
than you had the previous year.
  So that is part of the partisan rhetoric that is appalling to me, 
that the numbers that the White House has thrown out in the last few 
days in terms of the growth in tax revenues is way below what they 
projected in 2001 when they presented their economic package, which 
included the large book of tax cuts.
  So I think that it is really important to work together and deal 
honestly with the American people about what our situation is, and we 
can't really begin to solve this problem until we recognize in an 
honest way what the problem is.
  Now, Mr. Ross earlier talked about the article in the Los Angeles 
Times today, which really I would commend to our viewers, to those who 
are listening to us, to read. And it talks a little bit about this 
budget deficit and the current economic news. But let me quote from 
that, if I might, Mr. Speaker.
  In that article, the writer says, ``This will be the third year in a 
row that the administration put forth relatively gloomy deficit 
forecasts early, only to announce much later that things had turned out 
better than expected.'' That is what you have here. You see, back in 
the early spring when we first put the budget on the table, there were 
some very gloomy reports about what that number would be and now this 
is the third year that that has happened.
  ``To some skeptics,'' and I continue to quote, ``it is beginning to 
look like an economic version of the old expectations game. Even 
economists who hesitate to accuse the White House of playing games,'' 
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from this L.A. Times article, ``Even economists who hesitate to accuse 
the White House of playing games say the claims of good news on the 
budget are unfortunate because they make people unjustifiably sanguine 
about the government's current fiscal health.''
  ``Our problem,'' and this is a quote from Comptroller David Walker 
who is a man that we all know and respect, those of us who serve here 
representing our constituents back home. He says, and I quote, ``Our 
problem is our long-term--our large long-term deficit, and the sooner 
we deal with that, the better.''
  Walker also goes on to say that, and he warns of, quote, ``a false 
sense of security. We are in much worse shape fiscally today than we 
were a few years ago.''
  This is from a man who is the head accountant representing the United 
States Government Accounting Office.
  Mr. Speaker, I know we have been joined by some other Blue Dog 
members, and we want to hear from them, but I want to commend the 
gentleman from Arkansas for leading this discussion tonight. It is 
important, Mr. Speaker, that we have an honest debate and dialogue on 
these issues.
  A constituent told me one time, he said, ``Mr. Boyd, we used to hear 
debate and dialogue, but now we hear spin and rhetoric. Can we get back 
to honesty? Can we get back to everybody at least laying out both sides 
of the issue so that we can understand better how to fix these 
problems?''
  We can't really fix them until we admit that we have a problem. And 
for some in this government, they don't seem willing to admit that we 
have a problem. So I want to commend the gentleman from Arkansas.
  Mr. ROSS. I thank the gentleman from Florida, one of the leaders of 
the Democratic Blue Dog Coalition, for joining us this evening and 
addressing part of the Blue Dog's 12-point reform plan for curing our 
Nation's addiction to deficit spending. And these are just 12 
commonsense ideas that we offer up, and yet the Republican leadership 
refuses to give us a hearing or a vote on these ideas.

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  One of them is simply a balanced budget. Forty-nine States require a 
balanced budget. I can assure you my wife requires a balanced budget at 
the Ross home in Prescott, Arkansas. Most bankers require businesses to 
have a balanced budget. And this is just another commonsense idea we 
have.
  Another of the 12-point plans for budget reform simply says, ``Ensure 
that Congress reads the bills it is voting on.'' Now, we can't pass a 
law to make Congress read the bills it is voting on, but I can promise 
you this: When this Congress votes on 500-plus-page bills and gives the 
minority, our side of the aisle, less than an hour to read the bill 
before we vote on it, I can promise you that Members of Congress cannot 
read every word of every page of every bill before they are being 
forced to vote on it.
  We saw that happen, for example, with the Medicare prescription drug 
bill, now estimated to cost $720 billion over the next 10 years. It 
went to a vote barely a day after the final version of the 500-plus-
page bill was made available for Members of Congress to see and read.
  What we propose, as members of the Blue Dog coalition, is that 
Members of Congress should be given a minimum of 3 days to have the 
final text of legislation made available to them before there is a 
vote. Another commonsense idea.
  I want to thank again the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Boyd) for 
joining us and raising some of these things, because we are not here 
just to say Republicans are bad. We are here to say we are tired of all 
the partisan bickering that goes on in our Nation's Capital. It 
shouldn't be about whether it is a Republican idea or a Democrat idea; 
we want to see some commonsense ideas.
  And we are not here just to criticize. We are here to hold the 
Republican Congress accountable, but we are also here to offer up a 
solution to this problem, and that is why we have written this 12-point 
plan for budget reform.
  At this time, I am pleased to introduce one of the newest members of 
the Blue Dog coalition, who has contributed greatly to our calls of 
trying to restore common sense and fiscal discipline to our Nation's 
government. Before I do that, though, Mr. Speaker, if you have any 
comments or concerns of us, I hope you will e-mail us at 
[email protected]. Again, Mr. Speaker, if you have any comments, 
questions, or concerns of us, I would encourage you to e-mail us at 
[email protected].
  And at this time, I am now pleased to turn this over to the 
gentlewoman from Illinois (Ms. Bean).
  Ms. BEAN. I thank my colleague, Mr. Ross, from Arkansas, for allowing 
me to join him in what I hope will be a colloquy with some of our other 
Blue Dog members. Congressmen Boyd and Davis and Tanner, I think, are 
going to join us, as well, and we can talk about some of the issues 
that are so important to all of us that are part of the Blue Dog 
Coalition.
  One of the things I would like to lead on is the PAYGO budget rules 
that we all feel are so important to restore honesty in government and 
with our taxpayers, so they understand how we are spending their tax 
dollars better.
  One of the other things I want to do before we even go there is, I 
would like to ask Mr. Tanner to talk a little about his bill that he 
has introduced to create better auditing of those Federal agencies 
where we know there is a lack of controls.
  Mr. TANNER. Well, thank you very much. I am delighted to join Mr. 
Davis, and you, Ms. Bean, and Mr. Ross and Mr. Boyd.
  I became aware of the fact that there is no oversight in this town of 
what we are already removing from people's pockets involuntarily in 
terms of taxation, and appropriating it to any administration without 
any oversight about where it is going.
  To give you some instances, this is hard to believe, and we have had 
to get these from newspaper reports and IG reports and so forth because 
there have been no oversight hearings to amount to anything around here 
in so long, but just listen to some of these examples of government 
waste:
  An internal Pentagon audit found that Halliburton had overcharged the 
American taxpayer by over $1 billion. This included $45 for cases of 
Coke, $100 a bag for laundry service, and several months preparing at 
least 10,000 daily meals at a military base in Iraq that the troops did 
not eat. They also paid a Kuwaiti company $1.30 a gallon of gasoline, 
while other contractors were doing work for 18 cents a gallon.
  This goes on. The Multinational Security Transition Command purchased 
seven armored Mercedes-Benz automobiles at $945,000 a car, over $6.6 
million, that ended up being old models and did not even have the 
required level of armored protection. Furthermore, they couldn't locate 
one of them after delivery was made.
  FEMA paid $236 million for three cruise ships to house evacuees and 
relief workers in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. This comes out to over 
$1,200 a week per passenger at full capacity, almost double the price 
of a weeklong cruise. The ships did not have any fuel costs or 
entertainment costs because they were at the dock. Also, the ships have 
never been at capacity, but FEMA's contract pays them for capacity 
anyway.
  They are also paying contractors in the gulf coast an average of 
$2,480 for less than 2 hours of work to cover each damaged roof with a 
blue tarp, which is 10 times what the temporary fix would normally 
cost.
  We had to get these reports from newspaper accounts and others 
because there is no oversight here.
  So what we have done is, we have put together a bill, H. Res. 841, 
which the Blue Dogs have endorsed, that says basically three things: 
When the Inspector General report identifies waste, fraud, and abuse, 
or when they identify a ``high-risk agency,'' which is government talk 
for one that doesn't work, the program is not working like Congress 
intended it to, or when the CPAs, or the auditor, says on the front 
page of the audit that we don't know if what

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you are about to read is true or not because the books are in such bad 
shape we can't audit them, in those cases, this bill that the Blue Dog 
Coalition has endorsed says basically that Congress must hold a 
hearing.
  It is our, the Blue Dogs' position that at least the American 
taxpayer ought to expect from this Congress or any other Congress to 
keep up with the money we take away from people involuntary in the form 
of taxes. This Congress is not doing that, and it is a failure; it is a 
total abdication really of the constitutional responsibility that this 
branch of government has to the executive branch.
  So I hope people will get interested in H. Res. 841, because it 
speaks directly, Ms. Bean, to what you were talking about.
  Ms. BEAN. Well, I am honored to have cosponsored that legislation. 
And to your point, I think it is basic fiscal common sense. The 
taxpayers deserve better than what they are getting from this Congress. 
I can't imagine anyone who would call themselves a fiscal conservative 
and not support this commonsense legislation or any leadership that 
wouldn't bring such legislation forward.
  Mr. ROSS. I want to thank the gentleman from Tennessee, one of the 
founders of the fiscally conservative Democratic Blue Dog Coalition, 
Mr. Tanner, for offering up this bill. Again, another example of how 
the Blue Dogs are not just pointing fingers. We are holding the 
Republican Congress accountable, but we are not just criticizing them. 
We are offering up solutions, and this is another commonsense solution 
to restore accountability to our government.
  A lot of people may not know this, but the Government Accountability 
Office reported that 19 of 24 Federal agencies were not in compliance 
with all Federal accounting audit standards and could not fully explain 
how they had spent taxpayer money appropriated by Congress. This bill 
that the Blue Dogs and Mr. Tanner have introduced will hold these 
Federal agencies accountable for how they spend your tax money, Mr. 
Speaker.
  Mr. BOYD. Would the gentleman yield?
  Mr. ROSS. Yes, I will yield to the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Boyd).
  Mr. BOYD. I just wanted to comment on the presentation, the remarks 
by Mr. Tanner, who has been a champion on this accountability effort.
  And you remarked or just talked about the audits, that 19 of the 24 
agencies couldn't produce clean audits. Actually, the leaders, the 
worst offender is probably the Department of Defense. FEMA is a bad 
offender. We have hurricanes in Florida all the time, so we are always 
dealing with FEMA. I can tell you that I can take you to some folks, 
many, many folks who are millionaires that were getting generators, 
that were getting their roofs fixed, and things like that from FEMA.
  And this goes back to the accountability issue. What are we doing 
with the taxpayers, the folks we are taking money from involuntarily, 
as Mr. Tanner says? We have some responsibility to make sure, and that 
responsibility belongs to the United States Congress, to make sure the 
executive agencies are spending it wisely, and we are not doing that. 
And that is the point we are making here. And I thank you for yielding.
  Mr. ROSS. The gentleman raises an excellent point. As you can see 
here, these are manufactured homes. You would think that they would be 
in Louisiana or Mississippi or someplace where people lost their homes 
and everything they owned as a result of Hurricane Katrina. And you 
would have thought, well, the hurricane was last August, and this is 
July, so we are coming up on the first anniversary, and you would think 
they would have by now gotten to the people who have been left homeless 
from these storms.
  Yet they have remained parked, you can see, in this cow pasture here, 
or hay meadow here, or whatever you want to call it. There is the 
barbed wire fence, and the grass, and the pasture land, and 10,777 of 
these manufactured homes. These are 16-foot wide, 60-foot long, and 
almost a $500,000,000 worth of mobile homes sitting at the Hope Airport 
in Hope, Arkansas.
  These trailers, 10,777 of them, arrived late last year. Today, we 
still have 9,959 of them. That is a close-up view. You have to see 
this. Hopefully, Mr. Speaker, you can get a good look at this. That is 
an aerial view. They are being parked at the airport in Hope, Arkansas.
  That is not all of them. Lord knows, there is not a lens wide enough 
to get them all. But we still have 9,959 brand-new, fully-furnished, 
totally unused mobile homes that were designed to go to storm victims 
following Hurricane Katrina that are parked 450 miles from the eye of 
the storm at an airport in Hope, Arkansas.
  Now, if that is not enough, FEMA is spending $250,000 a month, 
$25,000 of that is going to the city to park them there, but the rest 
of that $250,000 a month is going for security and all the maintenance 
and all the stuff that is required to store them there. And on top of 
that, FEMA's response is not to get them to the people who need them, 
FEMA's response is, oh, my goodness, the inspector general is right. 
When a big rain comes, they are likely to sink in this hay meadow. So 
now FEMA is spending another $7 million laying gravel on nearly 200 
acres of land.
  This is the kind of lack of accountability within our government that 
we are trying to get at with this bill Mr. Tanner and the other Blue 
Dogs have introduced.
  Mr. TANNER. If you will yield on just that point, here is what the 
Office of Inspector General for the Department of Homeland Security, 
which is where FEMA is now, said in regard to their financial 
statements. ``Unfortunately, the Department made little or no progress 
to improve its overall financial reporting during FY 2005. The auditor 
was unable to provide an opinion on the Department's balance sheet.''
  What they are saying is, we don't know what these people are doing 
with this money and they can't tell us. Congress is not asking, what 
did you do with the money, but if they asked, they couldn't tell them. 
That is what this bill goes to, and I am glad you have that horrendous 
picture there about all these trailers.
  They can't tell you and the auditor can't tell you what happened to 
the money.
  Mr. ROSS. I want to thank the gentleman from Tennessee (Mr. Tanner).
  At this time, I would like to introduce another gentleman from 
Tennessee who is very active in the fiscally conservative Democratic 
Blue Dog Coalition, another member who is not afraid to come to 
Washington, stand up and say he is a conservative Democrat, and that is 
my friend, Mr. Lincoln Davis from Tennessee.
  Mr. DAVIS of Tennessee. Congressman Ross, thank you for yielding.
  Mr. Speaker, it is an honor to be here today to talk about our 
wonderful country. I have traveled some recently, and as I have 
traveled to other areas, basically in the war zone in Afghanistan and 
Iraq, I realize one of the greatest blessings I have had was at birth.
  I was born in America, and to be an American citizen as a result of 
that, with all the hopes and all the opportunities and options of life 
any human being could expect to be given in this country. Some of those 
opportunities are, for folks like me, who live in a rural area, in a 
very small area, lowly populated, that one could also have an 
opportunity to run for Congress; and I took that opportunity in 2002 
and ran and was elected.
  I came to Washington knowing what the challenges were. I came to 
Washington realizing that a lot of times we see and hear a lot of smoke 
and mirrors, that transparency seems to be something that doesn't exist 
a whole lot, but I didn't really think we were going to hear of some of 
the things that have happened in this Congress.
  The lack of oversight, the lack of hearings on how we spend our 
money, the lack of hearings on the war in Iraq, and the lack of 
hearings on virtually anything. We are almost shut down unless it 
happens to be the idea of the majority in this Congress. Debate is 
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  That is not the America I knew growing up. That is not the America I 
want us to have today. So I want to talk some about fiscal 
irresponsibility.

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  For years I heard Democrats being called tax and spend liberal 
Democrats. It became a buzzword, something that most folks didn't like, 
including me. But after I got here, I realized we needed to change that 
phrase. It needed to be changed to borrow and spend liberals, borrow 
and spend liberals, and mismanagement and spend liberals. Those are 
Republicans that I am talking about folks, not Democrats. Because 
during the Clinton administration when President Clinton left office in 
2001, the deficit of this Nation was a little over $5 trillion. Today 
it is $8.4 trillion.
  Also the Clinton administration gave this President over $230 billion 
in surplus that could be used to start paying down the debt. Let's take 
$200 billion in surplus. Over the last 5 years, that is a trillion 
dollars we could have paid down on our debts. Instead, what have we 
done? We have gone from $5.3 trillion to $8.4 trillion. That is a $3.1 
trillion increase.
  Just think, if we had managed government as it was managed during the 
1990s, with budget restraints in place, similar to the ones that the 
Blue Dogs are trying to get passed, those 12-point items, think of 
where we would be today if we continued with $230 billion in surplus. 
We would be $1.25 trillion less in debt. We would now owe a little over 
$4 trillion instead of $8.4 trillion.
  Whose fault is it? It is the mismanagement of this group. How is that 
the case? Because during the Clinton administration, during the last 
years it was 18.4 percent in gross domestic product that was being 
spent at that time under the budget restraints that we lived under, pay 
as you go. Today it is 20.1 percent, the gross domestic product.
  Let me repeat those figures. The last year of the Clinton 
administration, it was 18.4 percent of the gross domestic product that 
America was spending on government. In this administration for the last 
5 years, it has grown, the gross domestic product, numbers have 
increased obviously because we have seen the gross domestic product 
increase, but the number is 20.1 percent.
  Does that tell you that somebody is fiscally conservative? It doesn't 
to me. Folks talk about commonsense approaches. Commonsense to me is 
the application of knowledge based upon your experiences of life.
  We have too many blue blood trust fund owners in this Chamber that 
don't understand how to manage money. If you have that trust fund, you 
don't need to worry about where your next dollar is coming from. It is 
coming from the labors and fruits of your parents or grandparents and 
the blue blood trust fund boys and girls in here don't know how to 
figure out how to balance the budget. Some of us have had to work all 
of our lives, and we know when you spend that hard-earned tax dollar of 
those that we are extracting it from, that it is a sacrifice from them.
  It is my hope that this Congress wises up and stops being as partisan 
as they quite frankly have been and start addressing the issues in a 
transparent way with oversight and accountability.
  Ms. BEAN. Mr. Speaker, I think Congressman Davis makes a fine point 
because I think it is one of the reasons so many of our constituents 
feel disconnected from Washington. They cannot relate to what is going 
on on the Hill. Most of us come from a real-world background. We have 
run businesses, and we have certainly run our personal finances in such 
a way that you could never manage the way we are mismanaging our 
Federal dollars.
  We are now borrowing $26 billion per month. That is an outrageous 
figure, and it is highly irresponsible. As a result, we are spending 
$15 billion per month just on interest payments alone. There are so 
many good works we could be doing in government if we were not being so 
fiscally irresponsible. This is reckless borrow and spend profligacy.
  To go back to what Congressman Ross mentioned, those mobile homes 
were well-intended to help people who needed temporary housing in the 
aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Are those being utilized? No. We don't 
as a Congress historically look back. We are not using legislation like 
Congressman Tanner's to audit and use performance measurement criteria, 
to see that if we are going to make the investment in those mobile 
homes, someone is actually going to live in them.
  The concept of return on investment, something in the business world 
that we live by, is just absent from this Congress. The American public 
expects us to do a better job in that regard.
  Mr. DAVIS of Tennessee. So what you are saying is that we need an 
audit of America, just like we would our businesses.
  Ms. BEAN. That is exactly right.
  Mr. DAVIS of Tennessee. I agree with Congressman Tanner on that. Just 
audit America and we will figure out what the problems are.
  Mr. BOYD. Mr. Speaker, I think it is important for our people back 
home to understand that Congress appropriates the money for the 
executive agencies to spend. Of course the President has to sign those 
appropriations bills and put them into law and then the executive 
agency spends that money. But it is inherent upon us, and the framers 
of the Constitution presumed, that Congress would then provide 
oversight to make sure that the executive agencies were spending the 
money like it was designed to be spent by Congress or desired to be 
spent and not wasting it and that is where we have gone wrong with 
this.
  It could have happened maybe with the other side, but you have one 
party controlling the White House, the House and the Senate; and the 
House and the Senate seem to have just abdicated their oversight 
responsibility.
  Why couldn't we have hearings to find out about those six Mercedes 
and over $6 million? Why couldn't we have hearings to find out about 
the FEMA mismanagement?
  The Department of Defense is the worst. There is an article that was 
published in Vanity Fair this month that I could commend that talks 
about some of the corruption going on in this government. And the 
reason for that it basically says is because Congress has abdicated its 
oversight responsibility, and in many cases the Department of Defense 
has been complicit in just allowing these things to go on without 
asking the tough questions.
  Mr. DAVIS of Tennessee. When you talk about our national defense, I 
want to talk about Iraq. In Iraq, the maximum petroleum that was being 
produced in Iraq was 3.5 million barrels a day. That is over a billion 
barrels a year. At $70 a barrel, it has been running $60 to $70 a 
barrel for the last year almost, you are talking about $60 billion to 
$70 billion. Where is that money going, Mr. President? Where is that 
money going, Mr. Secretary of Defense? Where is that money being spent? 
Are we producing that as we told the American public we would be?
  I understand it is down to a million and a half barrels; but even at 
that, we are still talking in terms of $30 billion to $40 billion. Why 
are we still sending money to help rebuild Iraq?
  I think there are many things that we need oversight on, and the 
mismanagement that we are seeing of this administration and of this 
Congress is something that every American ought to be screaming about 
today.
  Mr. ROSS. Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the gentleman from Tennessee 
(Mr. Davis), the gentleman from Tennessee (Mr. Tanner), the gentlewoman 
from Illinois (Ms. Bean), and the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Boyd) for 
joining me for this Special Order this evening.
  Mr. Speaker, we are here to demonstrate that if given the opportunity 
as Democrats, we are prepared and ready to lead this Nation. We are 
prepared to lead this Nation in restoring fiscal responsibility and 
accountability to our government. We are not just here to point out 
what is wrong with this Republican administration and Republican 
Congress. We are here to offer up real commonsense solutions to fix 
these things.
  We have talked about them in the last hour, the 12-point reform plan 
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curing our Nation's addiction to deficit spending through budget 
reform. We have talked about Mr. Tanner's bill, House Resolution 841, 
to require congressional hearings when a Federal Office of Inspector 
General report documenting fraud, waste, abuse or mismanagement in the 
government results in a cost to the government of at least $1 million.
  We have talked about the need for other ideas that we have that we 
are advancing, like the idea of the gentleman from California (Mr. 
Cardoza) with H.R. 5315, a bill that would require a Federal agency to 
produce an audit within 2 years that complies with the standards 
established in the Federal Financial Management Improvement Act of 
1996. If they can't do that, the Senate would hold reconfirmation 
hearings on any Cabinet-level official whose agency cannot fully 
account for its spending within 2 years.
  Mr. Speaker, this past hour has been about accountability. It has 
been about our government being accountable for every tax dollar it 
spends.
  Mr. Speaker, as members of the Blue Dog Coalition, we are ready, 
willing and able to lead this Congress if given the opportunity.
  Mr. DAVIS of Tennessee. We call this the Blue Dog Coalition, not Blue 
Dog Democrats. We are all Democrats, but we invite the Republicans to 
join us so we can bring some sense to this fiscal irresponsibility. I 
hope some Republicans will join this coalition because it is not 
limited just to Democrats. Most Blue Dogs are conservative Democrats, 
at least when it comes to fiscal matters. And we are also hawks on 
defense spending, so we invite Republicans to join us.
  Mr. ROSS. I appreciate the gentleman making that point. We would 
welcome Republicans to join us. We would welcome an opportunity for 
Republicans to give us a hearing and a vote on these bills that we are 
trying to submit to restore some fiscal discipline and commonsense to 
our national government.

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