[Congressional Record (Bound Edition), Volume 151 (2005), Part 18]
[House]
[Pages 24909-24916]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]




                       30-SOMETHING WORKING GROUP

  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Dent). Under the Speaker's announced 
policy of January 4, 2005, the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Meek) is 
recognized for 60 minutes.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Speaker, we want to thank the democratic 
leadership for allowing us to be here and for this hour, and we want to 
continue talking about the issues that we were talking about in the 
hour before the last one, the issues that are facing

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Americans. As you know, within our working group we talk about what we 
are doing and what the other side is doing or not doing and how we want 
to put this country and build a partnership, put it on a new direction. 
The only way we will be able to do that is making sure that we are able 
to get some of the ideas on this side of the aisle to the forefront, 
make sure that we work in a bipartisan way.
  Mr. Speaker, with all due respect, I must say that that is not 
happening right now on a lot of the major issues, issues that are 
facing everyday Americans, issues as it relates to the budget that is 
coming to this floor next week. I can tell you that this so-called 
budget was put together on the backs of everyday working Americans. 
Some may say that it was in light of making sure that we can respond to 
Hurricane Katrina and the gulf coast, but cutting the very assistance 
that these individuals need is almost like saying I am going to take $5 
out of this pocket and then I am going to try to put it, the same $5 I 
took out of your pocket, and put it in your left pocket and we are 
done. That is not good enough.
  I think it is very, very important to also be mindful of the fact: If 
the job is so good here in Congress, if we are doing everything that we 
are supposed to do as it relates to the American people and they feel 
so good about the economy, they feel so good about security, they feel 
so good about health care, they feel so good about the environment, 
then why do American people, poll after poll polls this Congress at a 
35 percent approval rating? Thirty-five percent.
  I mean, if I was to call down to my district and they were to take a 
poll on how they felt about me and it was 35 percent, that means that I 
need to start doing something right for me to be reelected to this 
Congress.
  So when we start, our friends on the opposite side of the side come 
in and say, well, we are doing a great job and I do not know what the 
problem, and folks are saying that we are not, and I hope our friends 
on the other side starts to join us. I can tell you right now, I do not 
want to join anything where the American people feel that you are doing 
a great job by 35 percent. That is not a team I want to be on.
  If I am going to go join a team or be a part of something, I am going 
to be a part of a winning team. I am going to be a part of a team that 
is going to make sure that we stand up on behalf of everyday Americans, 
that makes sure that we do not have States out there with over $85 
billion in deficits, deficits that they have to clear up, they have to 
balance, unlike this Congress.
  Mr. Speaker, I want to remind the Members, last night I brought this 
chart out and I just want to remind once again, because I want to make 
sure that Members understand, American people understand, Mr. Speaker, 
this is not the doing of the Democrats. This is the doing of the 
Republican majority. Forty-two Presidents. Forty-two. And this is from 
the U.S. Department of Treasury. This is not the Kendrick Meek Report. 
U.S. Department of Treasury of the United States of America, in case 
anyone gets confused. Forty-two Presidents, all the way from the Whig 
Party before we had Republicans and Democrats. Since 1776 to the year 
2000, Democrats and Republicans, Whig Party and other parties alike, 42 
Presidents only borrowed $1.01 trillion from foreign nations, from 
foreign countries. One, one President with the majority here in this 
House, Republican majority and in the Senate, has trumped 42 
Presidents, 42 Presidents, $1.05 trillion and counting.

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  So we bring to the floor the issues at hand. These issues are real, 
and it is the reality of America right now. And so when our friends on 
the other side start saying, I do not know what is going on, I have a 
job, I think everybody else does, I think everything is okay, somebody 
needs to go out and tell the American people that it is okay, because 
they do not think it is okay.
  Thirty-five percent of Americans feel that we are doing an okay job. 
What does that mean? That means a number of Americans feel that we are 
not doing the job that we are supposed to be doing, whatever that may 
be.
  I just want to go back again, Mr. Speaker, in case a Member was 
walking around, had a phone call or something, did not quite 
understand. Forty-two Presidents, you name it, they are here, 1776 to 
2000, 224 years, 224 years. In the 224 years, they did not borrow from 
foreign governments as much as one President and the majority 
Republicans here in this House have done.
  The President did not do it on his own. 224 years, Mr. Speaker, World 
War I, World War II, Vietnam, Korea, other crises in the country, 
depressions, you name it. Things that my grandmother and my father told 
me about took place in the time of these 42 Presidents.
  Under this one President, one majority, they helped us get to this 
number. So you know, the facts may hurt. The facts hurt. The facts 
hurt. The facts hurt when you sit down at the dining room table trying 
to figure out how you are going to get past this month dealing with the 
money that you are making.
  Now, how are you going to get past this month? Those are hard facts. 
Well, the hard facts are, like it or not, it is not, you know, not the 
30-something Working Group; it is not, you know, the Democrats. It is 
prepared and served by the majority here in this House, and the 
majority in the Senate and the White House; and that is a fact, Jack.
  I do not care. You can go and use big words, you can go around, read 
reports that someone gave you that kind of paint the pot black with the 
fact that a lot of people out there use a lot of numbers, charts and 
graphs; but the bottom line is we are borrowing our country away to 
foreign nations.
  Then we want to call a budget up on the backs of the very people that 
we say that we are trying to help
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. And the money we are borrowing, this is the 
ultimate irony of the whole deal, and this is why we say that I did not 
hear our friend, the gentleman from California (Mr. Dreier), when he 
was down here take responsibility for that. It was conspicuously absent 
from the argument.
  The most ironic piece of this whole ordeal is that that money that we 
are borrowing from China and Saudi Arabia and Japan is going to fund 
$16 billion in subsidies to the oil companies. That money that we are 
borrowing from China is going to subsidize the pharmaceutical industry 
to the tune of $100 billion.
  So the MO of the Republican majority is to go borrow money from the 
Chinese and take that money and give it to corporate America, and then 
go to corporate America and shake them down, go out to shakedown street 
on K Street, shake down corporate America for campaign contributions to 
run the election, and the group that is absent here, the American 
people.
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. Our good friend, the gentleman from California 
(Mr. Dreier), was defending the Republican leadership's position here 
that they are committed to cutting the deficit, and that that is, you 
know, a major reason why next week they are going to rain down these 
horrendous terrible cuts in the budget on the people who are the most 
in need.
  I was not very good at math when I was younger. But you know, the 
most simplistic mathematical calculation would tell you that if they 
are going to cut $50 billion out of the budget next week, yet still 
provide $70 billion worth of tax cuts, than I guess I just wonder how 
they are going to reduce the deficit when you are still adding $20 
billion to it.
  I mean, and then that is to say nothing of the fact that when you cut 
the budget, you are doing nothing to reduce the deficit. That is just 
what is so mind-boggling.
  I think if we can, I would like to translate, because words like 
deficit and reconciliation and big Washington-speak words like that are 
sometimes hard for regular folks in our districts to understand, so let 
us talk about what this reconciliation budget-cut document that we are 
going to take up next week, what it really means for people.

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  In the Agriculture Committee, they voted to cut $844 million from the 
food stamp program, which would kick 300,000 families out of the 
program and leave 40,000 children ineligible for free school lunches. 
Now, that is not whining. That means a little boy or little girl is 
going to have a grumbly tummy day after day.
  Do you know what it feels like? I know what it feels like to not have 
anything in my tummy. I do not have anything in my tummy right now. But 
I have the ability to go out and buy a sandwich. People who get free 
and reduced school lunches do not have that luxury.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. These are children. It goes beyond empty 
tummies. It goes down to kids prepared and ready to learn regardless of 
their economic background. It is not their fault. It is not their fault 
that they are in a poor household and they are eligible, eligible 
because the Federal Government has found, and an education committee 
and all of these folks came about during a time here in this Congress 
and said, you know, kids that are coming to school hungry, we cannot 
actually teach them in the way that we want to. They are thinking about 
food. We need them thinking about preparing themselves to become the 
next workforce here in America.
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. The next entrepreneur, the next business person, 
the next person that is going to go out and create wealth. And that is 
the whole thing with the Democrats. We are trying to convince the 
Republican Party that together America can do better for all of us.
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. Where is their moral outrage? Where are their 
morals? That is what I want to know. I am a mom. I have three little 
kids. The gentleman from Florida (Mr. Meek) has two young children.
  Can you imagine a circumstance where you would allow your children to 
go hungry if you could do something about it? Our role here as Members 
of Congress, we are supposed to look out for the people who cannot look 
out for themselves. That is what government is for.
  Children are our most vulnerable citizens. Laws are written and 
government exists so that we can take care of kids because they cannot 
make their parents earn enough money to be able to pay for their 
breakfast and their lunch. That is where we come in. That is where 
government fills in for the individuals, society.
  It is not fathomable to me. When I gave birth to my children, my life 
transformed overnight. Overnight. In a matter of hours. And my whole 
life became not about me any more, or my day-to-day needs; but about 
their day-to-day needs. That is why we are here, because we are 
supposed to be taking care of the needs of people who cannot do it for 
themselves
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. I think there is a tremendous, huge magnificent 
moral component to this that our friends who in many instances invoke 
their religion to pass legislation tend to forget when it is dealing 
with the poor in our society. They forget their religion. But there is 
also an economic argument here.
  We talked in the last hour about the Chinese producing 600,000 
engineers. And the country of India, producing 350,000 engineers, and 
the United States only producing 70,000 engineers. The reason the 
Democrats are fighting for the free and reduced lunch program and 
student loans and increased funding for Pell grants and Medicaid is 
because we need healthy educated kids so that they can go to college 
and become engineers and create wealth so that we can keep this great 
democracy alive.
  This is not just a moral argument. It is. But it is not just a moral 
argument. This is an economic argument. Who do we suppose is going to 
come up with the next alternative energy source? Who do we suppose is 
going to come up with the next great invention that is going to lead to 
more manufacturing in the United States of America, if we are not 
educating everybody?
  In our cities, my friends, when we have 75 percent of our kids who 
live in our cities living in poverty, they are never going to be on the 
economic playing field for us. And we need 11 on both sides of the 
ball, my good friend. We need linebackers and cornerbacks and strong 
safeties and linemen. We need quarterbacks and running backs and tight 
ends. And when they only educate half, you are losing, you are walking 
onto the field with only half a team.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. I can tell the gentleman that when we start 
talking about what is happening here, and I think the problem here 
within the Beltway, the fact that we are here on this floor, or there 
is a report in the newspaper, whichever newspaper it may be, they do 
not know what they are talking about, because the majority sees 
everything in their world, everything is fine.
  I am going to tell you the reason why we are here, Mr. Speaker, is 
Republicans permitted Democrats to offer only 4 percent of the 
amendments submitted to major legislation in the 108th Congress. And 
when this Congress is over, and we get the statistics on that, we will 
probably find the same. On prescription drugs, the energy bill and the 
tax bill, only 4 percent. So much for bipartisanship.
  To shift the debate, for example, in the summer, the Republicans 
brought the consideration of amendments that drastically shaped three 
important measures before Congress. When you start looking at the issue 
of CAFTA, medical malpractice, and the Chinese trade, these amendments 
were not even allowed to be heard on the floor, or were limited and 
restricted. We are talking about bipartisanship. We talked about the 
Katrina Commission in the hour before last.
  They do not want an independent commission like the 9/11 commission 
that the country was pleased with because it was bipartisan, and it was 
out of the reach of this Congress. They know the reason why we passed 
the 9/11 bill is because we had an independent 9/11 Commission that was 
able to have equal subpoena power, getting the facts.
  Guess what? Democrats, Republicans, Independents, those who do not 
even vote in this country applauded it, the work that that entity, the 
9/11 Commission, brought about. So to say that we have a partisan 
commission here in the House of Representatives does not serve the 
American people in the way that they should be served. We talked about 
that for months.
  Right now I want to yield to you, because we do have a special guest 
here with us, and a great Member of this House. I want to you introduce 
him
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. I would like to introduce one of my mentors in 
Congress, the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Larson), an outstanding 
leader on a variety of issues, a recent Member of the Ways and Members 
Committee, a former quarterback at East Hartford High School.
  Mr. LARSON of Connecticut. Mr. Speaker, let me thank the gentlemen 
from Ohio (Mr. Ryan) for yielding me time and the gentlewoman from 
Florida (Ms. Wasserman Schultz) and her colleague, the gentleman from 
Florida (Mr. Meek) as well.
  Mr. Speaker, you know, constituents back in my district have written 
us. And they have talked about listening to your voices, because truly 
you have struck a cord with America. More often than not, we go home 
and we hear from people, why are the Democrats not speaking out, or we 
do not seem to hear the Democratic message.
  Well, frankly, in a one-party town, where the Presidency and all of 
the attendant agencies are controlled by the Republicans, where the 
House has been in control by the Republicans for more than a decade and 
where they control the Senate and are now putting a further ideological 
grip on the Supreme Court, it is in fact a one-party town.
  As the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Meek) pointed out, when Democrats 
even try to get an amendment put to the floor, the heavy-handed 
Republican majority makes sure that no issues of consequence are voted 
on in this Chamber.
  Time and time again, the Democratic message is squelched. You have 
used the analogy, I have heard throughout, of football. And sometimes 
when people ask about the Democratic message, the best offense is a 
good defense.

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  What stands between this ownership society juggernaut of 
privatization that they want to foist on the American public is the 
gentlewoman from California (Ms. Pelosi) and the Democratic party. 
However underfinanced, however squashed by the heavy-handed Republican 
majority, we continue to speak out in our only venue that we can, the 
public venue; and that is why people from my district have applauded 
the efforts that all of you have made.
  You know, Roosevelt said it best of our colleagues, They are frozen 
in the ice of their own indifference. It is that indifference that 
troubles the American people. You have pointed out how we are basically 
prevented from working in a bipartisan fashion. But what is even more 
disturbing is when you reach out to this administration, whether you 
are mothers and fathers waiting outside in Crawford, Texas, and you 
find there is indifference to your sons and daughters who have given up 
their lives, or whether you are on the rooftops of New Orleans and 
there is indifference to your pleas for help, or whether you have to go 
to Canada to get prescription drugs because there is indifference to 
the kind of need that you have, indifference to the kind of energy 
needs that you will have this winter, it is that indifference that has 
consumed this body.
  But because of voices like yours, and I commend each and every one of 
you, the American public is listening, and there will be a change in 
the ballot box come 2006 because this message is going to be heard.
  Yes, we are on the defensive because we have to deal with this 
enormous juggernaut in Orwellian fashion that continues to perpetrate 
its message, a false message, a message of false hope and false 
opportunity, and the only push-back that they are getting are from the 
voices of Democrats like yourself.
  I commend each and every one of you, and I thank you for your 
continued efforts on this floor.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentlewoman from Florida (Ms. Wasserman 
Schultz).
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from 
Connecticut (Mr. Larson). He is incredibly eloquent, and I tremor 
following that eloquence.
  I want to just follow up with some specifics, because our good friend 
from California (Mr. Dreier) was here earlier challenging our 
description of our inability to make an impact and offer our ideas 
here. He described this mythological bipartisan process. Well, let us 
counter some of the facts he threw out there.
  There have been 85 pieces of legislation that have had rules applied 
to them. For those who are listening that do not know what that means, 
we have restrictions placed on our ability as Members to offer 
amendments and offer our own ideas and help shape legislation every 
time, almost every time a bill is introduced on the floor. There have 
been 85 such bills that have been introduced.
  Of those, 38 of them have had restrictive rules, meaning the 
Committee on Rules decides which, if any, amendments we are going to be 
allowed to offer. Fifteen of those rules, 15 individual pieces of 
legislation, have been entirely closed, meaning no Member is allow to 
offer any amendments whatsoever. Three additional closed rules were 
added into an entirely separate bill. Of the 85 pieces of legislation 
that have come on this floor that have had rules apply to them, there 
has only been one substantive bill that had an open rule, meaning any 
Member can offer, meaning any Member elected in our own right, each by 
the same 633,000 people that we all represent, only one substantive 
bill has had an open rule where we can offer any amendment and any idea 
that we would like to offer.
  Mr. LARSON of Connecticut. Mr. Speaker, it is also the gentlewoman 
from Florida's (Ms. Wasserman Schultz) voice that stood out almost 
singularly when again the heavy-handed control of this Republican-
dominated majority tried to foist the Terry Schiavo incident upon us. I 
thank the gentlewoman for your strong voice at that time. It was 
resounding all across this Nation. It was picked up by the Hartford 
Current editorial board, to name just a few of the people it has 
impacted.
  The gentlewoman is right. It is not only specifically we can cite but 
it is the anecdotes that we can understand. I waited in the Rules 
Committee until 4 o'clock in the morning to try to get a bill that 
would provide for the Secretary of Health and Human Services to be able 
to do the same thing that every other nation does for its seniors, and 
that is to negotiate directly with the pharmaceutical companies.
  There is no way on that Medicare bill that that is not a germane 
piece of legislation, but it was denied access to the floor because of 
the power of its ideas.
  When the gentleman from California (Mr. Dreier) suggests that we do 
not have ideas, we have many ideas. The ideas are squashed by the 
heavy-handed Republican majority here. So, therefore, there was not a 
vote that had taken place that would allow the Secretary of Health and 
Human Services to negotiate directly with pharmaceutical companies so 
that our senior citizens could get the same kind of benefits and 
discounts, frankly, that the veterans do through the VA administration 
here.
  But in the first 100 days the Democrats take back this Chamber, that 
is the kind of change the American public can expect to see; and that 
is why I am so proud of your efforts that you have been doing on a 
regular basis on this floor. Believe me, it is working. Because people 
are hearing all across this country. We refuse to be drowned out by the 
Republican majority and their Republican message machine, a network 
that is vast and large. And whether it is Pat Robertson's 700 Club or 
whether it is Rush Limbaugh or Cal Thomas or whether it is the Kato 
Institute or the Heritage Foundation or all the other entities that 
converge in synchronized and coordinated fashion to try to stifle your 
voice, you have stood up and spoke for America. God bless you. God 
bless America.
  Mr. RYAN of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate what the gentleman just 
said. I did not know the gentleman was the one who tried to offer the 
amendment. It is good for the 30-Somethings to understand to put a face 
with the idea.
  That idea to just negotiate down drug prices on a $700 billion 
prescription drug bill, now that may save 10 percent, that may save 20 
percent, some people would say that would save 30 percent. Let us say, 
for the sake of argument, that we could save 20 percent of a $700 
billion bill. That is $140 billion that we would have here to either 
return back to the middle class in the form of middle-class tax cuts or 
to fully fund student loans or to fully fund the Pell grant or No Child 
Left Behind. $140 billion goes a pretty long way, and that is what the 
Democrats want to do.
  We have a Member here who is willing to sit in committee until 4:00 
in the morning to try to get that provision tacked on to the bill, and 
you get shot down.
  But we are here to say that we are fighting on behalf, and I was 
telling my friend, the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Meek), earlier, 
there is an old Irish saying, Is this a private fight or can anyone get 
in it? And I believe that is what the mentality of the 30-Something 
group. We are ready to scrap here. We are not going to sit back and let 
anyone push us around and let anyone tell us that we do not have ideas. 
Because we do have ideas. And just because the Republican majority does 
not like them, just because it may be contrary to their fund-raising 
opportunities, that does not mean we are going to stop.
  I have to go catch a plane, and I am sorry about that because I would 
love to sit here and continue this discussion. But let me say, in 
closing, that the Democratic party wants to take this country into a 
new direction. We want to change the way things are going in Washington 
right now, and that is part of what this is all about. We also want to 
say to the American people that when you put us in charge, we are going 
to put the interests of the country before the interests of our own 
party.

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  The system that we just talked about where the pharmaceutical 
companies are getting middle-class taxes, they come to Washington and 
it returns to the oil companies and to the pharmaceutical companies, 
that system is inherently corrupt. And that when our Republican 
majority friends appoint someone who is in charge of an Arabian horses 
outfit to run FEMA, we are going to end the cronyism, and we are going 
to end the incompetence and the incompetent way they govern. We want to 
take the country in a new direction.
  I thank my friends. I thank my friends. I thank my friends.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. I want to say to the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. 
Ryan) and the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Larson) as they depart, I 
just want to say what they are saying is right on. We do not have to be 
concerned with what outside people and outside groups say and do. We 
must be concerned about what our colleagues are doing or not doing on 
the other side. I think it is very important for us to remember that.
  Talking about this budget is something that really needs review. And 
I encourage the American people, I also encourage Members to figure out 
what is in it and what is not in it. The cuts that are being made in 
the budget, well, let us just call it what it is.
  Let me ask the gentlewoman from Florida (Ms. Wasserman Schultz), I 
know she has a third-party validator, the cuts that are in this budget, 
in the light of hurricane relief, the cuts that are being made are 
really to clear the way for the $106 billion tax cut mainly for special 
interests and billionaires in this country on the backs of Medicare, on 
the backs of Medicaid, on the backs of free and reduced lunch for 
children.
  And the reason why they were on the backs of those, and some may call 
it dependency, I call it making sure that the seniors can get their 
prescription drugs. I call it making sure that children that happen to 
be born into a poor community and in a poor family and a struggling 
family that is trying to make way to get a hot meal in the morning, to 
be able to get lunch, I guess left up to the majority since there is 
something about this dependency thing that is going on, I guess it is 
okay to have 60 percent of the kids eating lunch and 40 percent of the 
kids looking outside of the lunchroom inside wanting lunch but they 
cannot have it.
  I guess it is okay to have those kids then to go to the classroom for 
the second half of the education day in front of a teacher hungry, 
while the other half of the class are picking their teeth from the 
lunch that they are able to afford because the gentlewoman from Florida 
(Ms. Wasserman Schultz) is able to provide that for her children and I 
am able to provide it.
  So I guess those of us that have, we are going to be okay. It is just 
those other folk out there making up beds, popping sheets in hotels and 
driving cabs around here, good luck to them.
  I guess when faith-based organizations in my district and throughout 
this country are trying to do all they can to hold this thing together, 
providing after-school programs with parishioners, giving money to fill 
the gap that is no longer being filled because we have cut the local 
commitment in juvenile justice and prevention programs. When we say 
``prevention'' we are talking about programs. We are talking about 
programs that help young children stay out of trouble, homework 
centers. All of those activities that we have put in Leave No Child 
Behind and will not fund those, Mr. Speaker. We will not fund those. I 
guess that is a dependency for afterschool homework.
  But guess what? We have a nice cozy jail cell if someone was to step 
out of line. So I think it is important for us to remember that this is 
very, very serious.
  Now there was an amendment in committee by the Democrats that said 
that, okay, let us talk about the tax cuts so we can expose the real 
reason why we are going through this exercise. Let us talk about the 
tax cuts for the special interests and billionaires first. Let us bring 
that up first and make that a part of this budget and reflect it and 
put it out front so everyone can see it.
  But the majority did not want that to happen because it just would 
have been too easy for the folks back home. So say, okay, you are 
raising fees on students, our future workforce, by $5,000 apiece, to 
the tune of $14 billion. And then you turn around and this particular 
industry is receiving a $10 billion, what you call, ``incentive,'' we 
call tax cut, even though they have record profits to go out and find 
oil off the coast of Florida. Yeah, that is the ticket. That is. And 
that is actually happening.
  So that is why it is important that we come to this floor every time 
we get the opportunity, within the frame of the rules, Mr. Speaker, to 
share with the Members on the majority side that we know what they are 
doing, and the American people know what they are doing, and that is 
why the American people see this Congress on the approval end at 35 
percent. We did not do the poll. That is what the American people are 
saying. It is not only Democrats, it is Independents, Republicans and 
others.
  So we are here to make sure that all Americans know exactly what is 
going on and let the chips fall where they may and make sure everyone 
understands and we have transparency in this process.

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  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. What we are here going to say is that the 
emperor truly does have not clothes. If you remember that story, 
everyone in the kingdom in that story refused to acknowledge that the 
emperor was buck naked because they were worried about the 
consequences. They wanted to make sure that nothing happened to them. 
Well, we are not afraid. We are not afraid.
  It needs to be highlighted and underscored. What they are doing to 
the American people needs to be brought out, and we are saying do not 
believe us. This is not what Kendrick Meek and Debbie Wasserman Schultz 
are saying or Tim Ryan or any of the other Members that have come to 
this floor to share angst and concern.
  We are saying look at the third party validators that we have saying 
the exact same thing. We are saying look at the religious leaders who 
are urging and who just yesterday came to the Congress to urge the 
congressional leadership not to put forth these drastic cuts that are 
going to hurt people.
  This is from today's Washington Post. This is not a quotation from 
someone else. This is in the story on the budget cuts. It says, With so 
many controversial provisions, the House measure is forcing Republican 
leaders to scramble for support in what could be the most difficult 
vote of the year. Well, I would agree. This should be the most 
difficult vote of the year. When you are cutting people's food stamps, 
when you are cutting their children's ability to get free and reduced 
lunch, when you are cutting $4.9 billion from child support programs 
that help people collect money from deadbeat dads, yeah, I would guess 
that is a tough vote. Lord, I would hope so.
  It goes on to say, Some Republican moderates are balking at cuts to 
anti-poverty programs, especially in light of the $70 billion tax cut 
that could come to a vote soon after the budget bill, more than wiping 
out that bill's deficit reduction.
  Well, here it is. It is not what Debbie Wasserman Schultz and 
Kendrick Meek are saying. The article describing the budget cuts, the 
reconciliation bill, specifically says that there is no deficit 
reduction in what they are doing. What they are doing is to try to 
preserve the tax cuts for the wealthy, make sure that their right wing, 
that their right flank does not go absolutely ballistic, because that 
wing of the party does not care about taking care of people. They are 
trying to make sure they preserve what they have and what the upper 
echelon has.
  Let us talk about because if you do not believe the Washington Post, 
you think it is paper that is off the mark, let us just go through what 
some of our religious leaders are saying. We are not talking about 
liberal religious leaders or progressive religious leaders. We are 
talking about mainstream religious leadership that came here yesterday 
and joined in prayer at the Capitol.

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  They included Reverend Dr. Bob Edgar, who is the general secretary of 
the National Council of Churches of the United States; Jim Wallis of 
Sojourners magazine; Rabbi David Saperstein of the Religious Action 
Center; and Eleanor Giddings Ivory of the Presbyterian Church. Let me 
go through a couple of things that they said in urging the Republican 
leadership not to do this, not to harm and cause harm to the people 
that this budget will affect.
  Reverend Jim Wallis: ``As this moral battle for the budget unfolds, I 
am calling on Members of Congress, some of whom make much out of their 
faith, to start some Bible studies before they cast votes to cut food 
stamps, Medicaid, child care and more that hurt the weakest in our 
Nation.''
  Rabbi David Saperstein: The budget reconciliation package with its 
$50 billion in program cuts and $70 billion tax cuts giveaway is 
morally unjustifiable.
  Reverend Eleanor Giddings Ivory of the Presbyterian Church: I am here 
today to express concern for the Federal budget reconciliation packages 
under consideration in the House and the Senate. Our Nation is about to 
balance its budget on the backs of the poor. Is that a moral thing to 
do? Clearly the answer is, no, it is not.
  Let me just tell you, I was so moved by Rabbi Saperstein's comments 
in their effort yesterday. He, as is the practice of many of our 
religious colleagues on both sides of the aisle but particularly 
because the Republican leadership and its Members like to use their 
faith so often to underscore how they have injected values into 
government, Rabbi Saperstein urged our colleagues and said that they 
ought to remember that the Bible urges us to ``deal thy bread to the 
hungry,'' not ``steal thy bread from the hungry.'' He asked us to 
remember Proverbs' stern warning: ``Do not steal from the weak because 
he is weak and do not oppress the poor in the gate.''
  I could go on, but there have been many more than just the religious 
leaders that were here yesterday who have urged this Congress not to 
take these actions. It not only will harm people, cause grave harm for 
people who have already been on the brink, it will not improve 
anything. It does not reduce our deficit. It does not improve our 
economy. It only brings harm, and I think if we are going to subscribe 
to anything it is the physician's oath. That should be something we 
live by, which is first do no harm. When we get here, we should commit 
to doing no harm, and it appears unfortunately as though the Republican 
leadership came here to do the opposite.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I think it is very evident that 
nowhere in this budget is it talking about cuts in tax breaks to 
special interests. There is nothing in here that says that we are going 
to make sure that we tell billionaires that we have some things that we 
need to do here in this government and we can no longer give them that 
tax break. We are not saying it to special interests, but we are saying 
it to those who cannot fight for themselves.
  We are saying it to not only students, but we are saying to parents 
that if the majority side have their way, they need to go out and meet 
with their college fund adviser because you will be paying more for 
higher education so that your children will be able to be a part of 
this workforce or what is left of it and has not gone to China and 
other countries.
  I think it is also important to understand that child support, like 
Ms. Wasserman Schultz said, has been cut in this budget, and now over 
on the Ways and Means on the committee side is $8 billion as it relates 
to the cuts over 5 years. The cuts come where? Human services, child 
support and foster care.
  So I want to warn States, including my State in Florida, I want to 
warn you, you are going to have to deal with enforcement of making sure 
that single moms are able to get money from deadbeat dads or vice 
versa. You are going to be responsible as it relates to kids that are 
orphans to find some sort of shelter when they have to go into a foster 
home environment because the Federal Government, we are not partners 
with you anymore because we are trying to clear the way so that we can 
keep our promise to billionaires and special interests here in 
Washington, D.C.
  I want to also put the States on warning, every State, red, blue or 
purple, I am giving you forewarning that you are going to see the 
largest what we call devolution of taxation in the history of this 
country, where we back out of the responsibility of being a part of 
making sure that we have vibrant communities and making sure that we 
treat people like they are supposed to be treated because you are going 
to have to make the cuts because you have to balance. You have to 
balance your budget.
  So what we hand down with the philosophy that if you are middle 
income in this country, if you are not a billionaire or a millionaire, 
good luck. Good luck on health care because we do not have health care, 
real health care here in the United States.
  There is story after story about small businesses telling folks to go 
sign up for Medicaid because they cannot afford to give them real 
health care. Sign up for Medicaid.
  But guess what, I want to say this to the small businesses. There is 
a $10 billion cut in this budget. So, guess what, that option is no 
longer going to be there if the Republican majority has their way. If 
they continue to have their way, it is okay for them to go into what is 
left of a poverty, if you want to call it, health care program out 
there for people that need health care to be able to make sure that 
they provide tax cuts, not for you, small business person, not for you, 
company of 100 or 200 people or company of 500 people, not for you, 
Republican, Democrat or Independent, but for the individuals that have 
the ear apparently of the majority at this particular time.
  We know that this is the people's House, and I have said it before 
and I will say it again. It is supposed to be the people's House and we 
are the only body here in Congress, the Senate you can be appointed if 
it is in midterm, but only in the House of Representatives is it that 
you have to be elected. That is in every State, and no one can touch 
that. If a Member was to say I resign today or I am moving on to 
something or I am appointed to this position, you do not see someone 
here tomorrow. There is a special election set, and the local people in 
that district will vote to replace that individual that left Congress. 
So I think you could not get closer to the people of the United States 
than we should be here in the Congress, and I will tell you this, that 
I am very, very concerned about what is being done here in Washington, 
D.C., right now.
  I am going to just show this quick chart because I showed it at the 
beginning, but I just want to keep reminding folks. Folks feel that, 
oh, they are alarmists. Some people walking around here in the Capitol, 
they are saying something and what is the problem. What is the problem? 
There is no problem. What are you talking about? Things are great. You 
know, I had lunch today, did you?
  But when it comes down to security and financial security, 42 
Presidents, and I am going to say it again and I am going to keep 
saying it, 42 Presidents, $1.0 trillion loaned from foreign holdings, 
and this is from the U.S. Department of Treasury that we have gone to 
other countries to borrow money, World War I, World War II, you name 
it, Depression, all 42 Presidents, one President $1.05 trillion in 4 
years.
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. That is combined.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. All of these Presidents combined could not do as 
much as this administration has done as it relates to borrowing from 
foreign countries to support mainly tax cuts that we cannot afford for 
billionaires and millionaires and special interests. I could see if it 
was something where there was billions of dollars going into U.S. 
cities and to rural America to build economic development, to be able 
to help farmers that are trying to compete with foreign countries, 
thanks to us, okay, or thanks to the majority.
  I can see if we were going into schools and saying that we are going 
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engineers, that we are going to have science and math and we are going 
to lead the world in education. I could see that.
  I can see if we had real homeland security where our border would be 
protected and that we would have the enforcement officers out there 
with the tools that they need to make sure it is protected and have a 
process to be able to deal with the issue of illegal immigrations and 
even if they are in this country, I can see if those dollars went 
towards that.
  I can see if we said we want to deal with energy with those dollars, 
Mr. Speaker, to be able to say that we want to pull back on our 
dependency on oil and that we will use alternative energy sources. I 
can see that.
  But I do not see people coming to the floor and saying, well, on 
behalf of the economy, billionaires need another tax break, 
millionaires need another tax break, this special interest group with 
record profits, unprecedented history of these oil companies, that we 
need to give them additional billions of dollars in taxpayers' money to 
go out and do what they should be doing with their profits anyway. You 
get a small business that makes a profit, some of that goes towards a 
security fund and some of that goes towards what? Growing their 
business. No, no, no, not in this majority, no, no. You get the profit 
and then you come over here to the Congress and you get the taxpayer 
money to go out and do the things that you should be doing in the first 
place.
  It does not make sense, Mr. Speaker, and I do not care who says 
different. I do not care if the chairman of the basket weaving 
committee was to come to this floor and say what is the problem. What 
is the problem? We have enough baskets. What are you complaining about. 
Well, there is a lot to complain about, and there is a lot to let the 
Members know and the American people know that we are willing to lead 
in the area of individuals who are not leading in right now on the 
majority side as it relates to energy, as it relates to making sure 
that we have a health care plan here, making sure prescription drugs 
are affordable for Americans, making sure that our men and women in 
Iraq have what they need.

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  And let me just mention something for a minute, since I mentioned 
Iraq. The bottom line is that on the majority side and the President 
you start saying, okay, let us talk about Iraq. All right, we had bad 
intelligence, and that is a big question right now. We do not know if 
the Congress was given bad intelligence or not, but there is very 
little that is happening on that. And thanks to the Democrats in the 
Senate that pushed a----
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. If the gentleman will yield before we branch 
off to Iraq just for a second.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. I am coming right back. I am not going into 
Iraq. This is an example.
  That is fine that the Senate came together, three Democrats, three 
Republicans, who will come together with a report on the intelligence 
piece. Okay. Okay.
  Do we have a strategy for success? Well, we do not have that answer. 
Do we have a strategy of when we will be able to have American men and 
women come back home? Well, you know, we are fighting a war against 
terror, a global war, and we have got to go after the terrorists. Okay. 
But what is our strategy? Well, we do not have one.
  So we are spending billions and billions of dollars of the taxpayers' 
money in Iraq at this particular time. And it is not about the troops; 
it is about some other things that we are trying to accomplish.
  What is the strategy? Well, there is no strategy, and why are you 
asking, by the way. Why are you asking what is the strategy?
  I am on the Armed Services Committee, and folks say, do we have an 
exit strategy? Democrats and Republicans have asked that. And I want to 
say that on the minority, the majority of the minority of the members 
over there, in the majority, have asked that question, along with 
several members on the Democratic side, because we want to know exactly 
where we are going. Are we going to be in Iraq as long as there is a 
small insurgency?
  So that is the issue when it comes down to oversight and governance 
and making sure that we do what we need to do. So I just wanted to 
mention that because the ideas that we have, the ideas as relates to 
pay-as-you-go, the ideas as relates to being energy efficient by 2010, 
2012, those ideas cannot surface in this Congress because the majority 
has their foot on those ideas.
  So when folks come to the floor and say what is the problem, I 
guarantee when that budget comes up next week, and there is talk on the 
other side of, I wish our friends on the Democratic side would join us 
in this budget resolution that is coming to the floor, well, I have to 
say this to the Republican majority: I hope that Republicans join you 
on it, because that seems to be a problem, Mr. Speaker.
  Every time there is a major bill that comes to the floor and it is a 
15-minute vote, that 15-minute vote turns into a 2-hour vote. Why does 
it turn into a 2-hour vote? Not because Members cannot make it from 
their offices to the floor. No, it boils down to whose arm can be 
twisted, who can be pushed into a corner, and who can be pushed into 
voting for an unjust budget to clear the way for special interests and 
for billionaires.
  So, Mr. Speaker, if someone wants to impress the American people that 
the budget is so good, let us follow the House rules and do the vote in 
15 minutes. Do the vote and do not have the Members standing here at 3 
a.m. in the morning saying, well, Mr. Speaker, they said it was a 15-
minute vote and we are now on 90 minutes. When are we closing the 
board?
  I think the reason why the voting board was not closed, and probably 
will not be closed next week, is that as long as the majority is not 
getting their way, they are going to change the spirit of the rules of 
the House of Representatives, and that is the problem too.
  Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. You know, I have been seriously considering 
coming to the Chamber next Friday in my pajamas, given the track record 
of controversial votes, where they make their Members, the Republican 
leadership makes their Members puke blood in not allowing them to 
decide what to do, to stand on the courage of their convictions. They 
keep the board open, and we watch it light up like a Christmas tree up 
there, red to green, green to red. It is just unbelievable.
  Sometimes I think the board is malfunctioning. Maybe it is not 
functioning. Maybe we should get an electrician in here. Maybe we 
should have the electrician check the wiring behind the Republican 
Members' names and their lights, because they do not seem to be able to 
pick one and have it stay there. Every time they have to cast a 
controversial vote, it goes from no to yes, then yes to no; or they do 
not appear to be able to turn their own light on for a very long time, 
because they cannot decide. Is it that they cannot decide?
  I just want to make sure, because it is deeply concerning to me that 
they would not know when they came to the floor how to vote on a bill 
that is going to cut food stamps, that is going to cut financial aid, 
that cuts access to affordable energy, that allows drilling around the 
entire coastline of the United States of America where it is not 
currently allowed. So there has to be something wrong with the wiring.
  Next week, I am going to be here in my pajamas and a teddy bear with 
a nice cup of coffee because we are really going to have to settle in 
for a long night. It is not going to be a normal 15-minute or a normal 
5-minute vote, because I think the wiring under that board is going to 
go haywire next week. They are clearly not going to get their way right 
away because this is going to be a gut-wrenching angst-ridden vote. Woe 
to the Member on their side that does not vote how the leadership wants 
them to.
  Sometimes when we talk in trillions and billions and millions it is a 
hard concept for people to understand. I know it is hard for me. A 
trillion is such a huge number. An $8 trillion deficit is what we are 
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 right now. That is a huge number. I sometimes cannot understand how 
big that number is. It is also hard to understand what an $844 million 
cut from the food stamp program is, or the kind of cuts they are going 
to be passing down in this budget reconciliation document that is going 
to affect affordable housing.
  I want to show this picture. This picture is of me standing in the 
apartment of one of my constituents whose roof caved in on her during 
Hurricane Wilma. These are the people that, on top of what they have 
already gone through, on top of what they have already gone through, 
now we are going to cut the budget that funds the very programs that 
exist to help them.
  There are people in dire straits in south Florida after Hurricane 
Wilma and in the gulf coast region after Katrina. There are people who 
before the hurricanes hit were in dire straits. This is what the 
problem really looks like for people. These people cannot live in homes 
like this because this home was condemned. Obviously, nobody can live 
in the apartment in this picture, and I wish that there was only one 
that looked like this in south Florida. This is the plight that we are 
putting people through.
  Before we give out the Web site, I want to close by saying that we 
are in the middle of adding ``C'' after ``C'': with the culture of 
corruption, cronyism, and the lack of confidence that the American 
people have in their government, and now we have the coverup Congress. 
That is what came to light here this week. We have repeatedly asked for 
investigations, that this leadership stand up and do what is right. And 
Leader Pelosi has tried to get them to do that, and they have 
unanimously rejected that.
  We are going to continue to come back to this floor and stand up for 
the American people, and I look forward to continuing this dialogue 
with my colleague.
  Mr. MEEK of Florida. Just to add to what I was saying before the 
gentlewoman made her statements, October 7 the board was open for 40 
minutes to pass the ``energy bill,'' as relates to home heating. 
Special interests were able to get their profits out of that. The board 
was open for 40 minutes, even though it was a 5-minute vote.
  November 22, 2003, broke the record here in the House of 
Representatives by holding the vote open. It was originally set for 15 
minutes but lasted over 3 hours into the middle of the night. It was 
obvious on the prescription drug bill that it was a failing bill, but 
it took 3 hours for the majority to get their way.
  The reason why there are two dates on this, July 27 and 28, is 
because the board was left open, the voting board was left open for an 
hour, well past the 15-minute voting time on CAFTA, which actually 
passed by 227 to 215. So when the majority says I wish the Democrats 
would join us, I wish that the Republicans would join the Republicans 
on it, because they know exactly what is not happening.
  I want to give our Web site out here. It is 
[email protected]. Thatis30somethingdems@
mail.house.gov. We want to make sure that everyone knows exactly what 
is going on here in Washington, D.C.
  Mr. Speaker, I want to thank my colleague from Florida, as well as 
the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Larson) and the gentleman from Ohio 
(Mr. Ryan), who joined us here today; and we will continue to work hard 
not only to bring fresh ideas to the floor but to make sure that we 
point out where the inequities are within our own institution.

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