[Congressional Record (Bound Edition), Volume 150 (2004), Part 15]
[House]
[Pages 19900-19909]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]




 APPOINTMENT OF CONFEREES ON H.R. 4520, AMERICAN JOBS CREATION ACT OF 
                                  2004

  Mr. THOMAS. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to take from the 
Speaker's table the bill (H.R. 4520) to amend the Internal Revenue Code 
of 1986 to remove impediments in such Code and make our manufacturing, 
service, and high-technology businesses and workers more competitive 
and productive both at home and abroad, with a Senate amendment 
thereto, disagree to the Senate amendment, and agree to the conference 
asked by the Senate.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the 
gentleman from California?
  There was no objection.


   Motion to Instruct Conferees Offered by Mr. Neal of Massachusetts

  Mr. NEAL of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I offer a motion to instruct 
conferees.
  The Clerk read as follows:

       Mr. Neal of Massachusetts moves that the managers on the 
     part of the House, on the

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     disagreeing votes of the two Houses to the Senate amendment 
     to H.R. 4520, be instructed as follows:
       1. The House conferees shall be instructed to include in 
     the conference report an effective rate reduction for income 
     from production activities in the United States, and such an 
     effective rate reduction--
       A) shall be provided in the form of a deduction as in the 
     Senate amendment, and shall not be provided in the form of a 
     corporate rate reduction, as in the House bill,
       B) shall be available to all businesses (including farmers, 
     farm co-operatives, subchapter S corporations, and other 
     unincorporated businesses) engaged in U.S. production 
     activity as in the Senate amendment,
       C) shall include the provisions of the Senate amendment 
     that adjust the size of the effective rate reduction based on 
     the respective portions of the taxpayer's business in the 
     United States and overseas in order to provide the largest 
     effective rate reduction for businesses that have not moved 
     operations offshore, and
       D) shall include the provisions of the Senate amendment 
     (not included in the House bill) that ensure that the rate 
     reduction will not be available for income attributable to 
     cost savings resulting from purchasing imported parts or 
     outsourcing labor overseas.
       2. To the maximum extent possible within the scope of 
     conference, the House conferees shall be instructed to not 
     include any increase in tax benefits for the overseas 
     operations of multinationals.
       3. The House conferees shall be instructed to develop a 
     conference report that will not increase the federal deficit 
     in either the short or long term. In doing so, the House 
     conferees also shall be instructed:
       A. To include in the conference report the provisions of 
     the Senate amendment that eliminate tax benefits for 
     companies that reincorporate overseas, and the provisions of 
     the Senate amendment that restrict corporate tax avoidance 
     transactions, including codification of the economic 
     substance doctrine and the provisions directly targeted at 
     transactions utilized by the Enron corporation, and
       B. Shall drop the provision of the House bill that provides 
     for private collection of Federal tax liabilities.
       4. The House conferees shall, as soon as practicable after 
     the adoption of this motion, meet in open session with the 
     Senate conferees, and the House conferees shall file a 
     conference report consistent with the preceding provisions of 
     this instruction at a time permitting passage before the 
     adjournment before the election.

  Mr. NEAL of Massachusetts (during the reading). Mr. Speaker, I ask 
unanimous consent that the motion to instruct be considered as read and 
printed in the Record.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the 
gentleman from Massachusetts?
  There was no objection.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under rule XXII, the gentleman from 
Massachusetts (Mr. Neal) and the gentleman from California (Mr. Thomas) 
each will control 30 minutes.
  The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Neal).
  Mr. NEAL of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I 
may consume.
  I am pleased that the House Republican leadership has finally seen 
fit to appoint conferees to resolve the foreign sales corporation or 
extraterritorial income issue that the World Trade Organization found 
to be an illegal export subsidy. I note that the appointment of 
conferees today comes more than 2 months after the Senate appointed 
their conferees. This delay by the House Republican leadership has only 
resulted in more trade sanctions on many of our industries.
  Today I am offering a motion to instruct that I believe should be the 
framework for the conference report. First, the motion to instruct 
offers a requirement that House conferees include an effective rate 
reduction for U.S. businesses manufacturing or producing goods in the 
United States. This benefit for U.S. producers is the appropriate 
replacement for today's export benefit which was enjoyed by U.S. 
manufacturers and producers. The replacement benefit should also apply 
to U.S. manufacturers and producers. This motion requires that all 
businesses, including farmers, farm cooperatives, subchapter S 
corporations, and other unincorporated small businesses should enjoy 
the benefit of the new rate reduction. I have never understood the 
opposition of the House Republican leadership to permitting small 
businesses to be eligible for the new benefit. I have always agreed 
with the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Manzullo), chairman of the 
Committee on Small Business, in his insistence that small businesses be 
eligible.
  This motion also requires that businesses that are purely domestic 
receive the largest benefit, as included in the Senate amendment. We 
should reward companies for keeping their operations in the United 
States. This motion also requires the inclusion of Senate provisions to 
ensure that companies do not receive benefits for income attributable 
to cost savings from purchasing cheap imported parts or outsourcing 
labor. Again, I do not understand why the Republican House bill 
encouraged outsourcing of parts and labor offshore.
  Second, this motion requires that the conference report not further 
increase tax incentives for companies to move operations offshore. We 
have had ample opportunity in this House for the better part of 3 years 
to do something about an issue that I think causes great concern to the 
American taxpayer and to the American worker. Our current tax laws 
already provide incentives for companies to invest and move operations 
offshore. There is no reason to provide additional tax benefits that 
could result in further U.S. job losses.
  The Bermuda issue has never been debated vigorously in this House, 
and we should take that up perhaps as a separate issue down the road; 
but we sure could include it with this motion to instruct. We should be 
focused on increasing incentives for U.S. jobs, not incentives to 
create jobs overseas.
  Third, this motion requires that the conference report be revenue 
neutral. We already are experiencing deficits of historic size, and 
there is no reason to further increase the deficit in this legislation. 
I would remind the consuming audience today that what began as a $4.5 
billion problem now looks as though it will have a $130 billion 
solution. In making this bill revenue neutral, the motion also requires 
the House conferees to take the following specific actions:
  First, the House conferees shall include the Senate provisions 
preventing corporations to avoid U.S. tax by merely reincorporating in 
a tax haven overseas. I have yet to meet anybody who believes that Tyco 
is a Bermuda-based company. I have never understood why House 
Republican leaders insist on defending companies that move to tax 
havens to avoid paying their fair share of tax, particularly at a time 
when we are engaged in combat overseas. Patriotism should never take a 
back seat to profits.
  Second, the House shall include the Senate provisions addressing 
corporate tax avoidance transactions, including provisions targeting 
tax avoidance transactions utilized by the Enron Corporation. At one 
time we were prepared to give them, as we repealed the corporate 
alternative minimum tax, a $250 million tax break. These transactions 
are purely paper transactions that have no purpose other than tax 
avoidance. The House has resisted action in this area for years, 
permitting corporations to continue to avoid their responsibilities. It 
is time to close and stop those transactions.
  Third, the House conferees should be instructed to drop the House 
provision that authorizes private collection of Federal tax 
liabilities. We debated that issue years ago in the Committee on Ways 
and Means, and I thought that the evidence that was presented would 
have offered substantial support for the position as outlined in our 
motion to instruct.
  Finally, this motion requires that the conference meet in open 
session and file its report before the House leaves for the elections. 
There is no reason that this issue should have taken so long to 
resolve. The bill that the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Crane) and many 
of us introduced last year provided that it was possible to have a 
prompt bipartisan solution to the World Trade Organization decision. 
Instead, it has been decided to use this issue to provide more tax 
benefits overseas.
  Essentially, it has been recommended that a tax increase on U.S. 
producers fund a tax decrease for offshore operations of U.S. 
multinationals. It is that decision and the decision to use this bill 
for narrowly targeted tax benefits that have caused trade sanctions to 
be imposed on some of our industries.

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This motion to instruct essentially rejects those decisions and 
provides a reasonable framework for properly completing the conference 
on this bill. I also would suggest that this motion to instruct urges 
the House to instruct the conferees on behalf of U.S. workers.
  It is pretty simple. We provide benefits to manufacturers, 
particularly small businesses. We do not provide more tax incentives to 
move jobs overseas. And our legislation is revenue neutral.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. THOMAS. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Just as we began taking up going to conference in this motion to 
instruct, a number of Americans were not watching C-SPAN. They were 
watching other television programs which showed a private enterprise 
effort to go into space. Burt Rutan from Mojave in my district has 
built a spaceship called SpaceShipOne. It was launched earlier today. 
It reached an altitude unofficially, yet to be confirmed, of more than 
100 kilometers, or 62 miles. It has returned safely and landed. The 
first private effort to enter space has succeeded. This is part of a 
competition stimulating private enterprise in an area that formerly was 
totally government-controlled.
  He will now have a clock ticking in which 2 weeks will expire and 
prior to the second week, he will have refurbished SpaceShipOne, sent 
it back into space, achieved a second time an altitude of more than 100 
kilometers; and, if he is successful in doing that, he will win the X 
Prize. It happens to be a $10 million reward for the first privately 
financed space vehicle to achieve those parameters.
  I cannot help but see how striking this initial part of the 
achievement is to the reward that in part led Charles Lindbergh to fly 
across the Atlantic in 1927.

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  That achievement sparked the initial age of commercial aviation. This 
is the beginning of commercial space aviation, and I find it somewhat 
ironic that, while people are pushing the barriers of man's involvement 
with minimal or no government involvement, that we are here on a motion 
to instruct that plows old ground, that does not yield any harvestable 
crop other than pure political rhetoric.
  The motion to instruct indicates that the conference, which we are 
all anxious to begin, and I accept any criticism about how long this 
has taken to achieve but we are now ready to go, and yet there will be 
continued delays based on political rhetoric that has no merit 
whatsoever. How can I make a sweeping statement like that? The 
gentleman indicated that the House bill contained international tax 
provisions which will send jobs overseas. A pretty inflammatory 
statement. But I think it might be worthwhile to examine those areas of 
the House-passed bill and the Senate-passed bill that are identical.
  Interestingly enough, the single biggest area in which the House and 
the Senate bill are absolutely identical are the international tax 
provisions, the very provisions the gentleman from Massachusetts said 
drives jobs overseas. It might be useful to examine the way in which 
the Members of the Senate voted on this measure, which, if they 
supported it, would obviously mean they are also interested in driving 
jobs overseas.
  This measure was presented in the Finance Committee, and a Member of 
the Finance Committee is the Senator from Massachusetts, Senator Kerry. 
Senator Kerry voted for the international corporate tax provisions. 
Following the logic of the gentleman from Massachusetts, his own 
Senator, the Democratic nominee for President, apparently supports 
sending jobs overseas, since those two provisions are identical in the 
House and the Senate bills.
  Who else would support this outlandish position which we will hear 
repeated time after time after time on this motion to instruct? Let us 
see. On both the Graham amendment and the Hollings amendment, which 
were to remove these provisions which the gentleman from Massachusetts 
purports drives jobs overseas, willing to keep these measures in the 
bill on the Senate side was minority leader Senator Daschle, who voted 
in favor of keeping these provisions. Senator Baucus, who is the 
ranking Democrat on the Finance Committee, voted. I could obviously go 
down the list of Democratic Senators who apparently are interested in 
putting jobs overseas.


                             Point of Order

  Mr. McDERMOTT. Mr. Speaker, point of order.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Aderholt). The gentleman will state his 
point of order.
  Mr. McDERMOTT. Mr. Speaker, is it appropriate to quote the votes of 
Senators in the other body in the midst of a speech?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under clause 1 of rule XVII, it is 
appropriate to quote Senate proceedings on matters under debate in the 
House of Representatives for the purpose of establishing legislative 
history on such matters.
  Mr. McDERMOTT. In the other body, Mr. Speaker?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. If it is under debate here in the House of 
Representatives.
  Mr. McDERMOTT. Mr. Speaker, so anything that has occurred in debate 
on an issue that is in the body here that has been debated in the 
Senate, we can bring in the Senate debate?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Quotations from Senate procedures are 
permitted. Only quotations from the Senate proceedings for the purpose 
of making legislative history can be included.
  Mr. McDERMOTT. Mr. Speaker, so if a speech has been made by a Senator 
on an issue that we are discussing here, we can use it verbatim from 
the Senate?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. For the purpose of making legislative 
history, quotations can be included.
  Mr. McDERMOTT. I thank the Speaker for his answer.
  Mr. THOMAS. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for his inquiry.
  Obviously, what I am quoting is the voting record which was 
established in the Senate on this measure. I can understand why my 
colleagues on the other side would not want to hear the list of 
Democratic Senators who supported the international tax provisions 
because it pretty well demolishes their argument, and what they want to 
do is continue this fantasy argument that the provisions in the House 
bill ship jobs overseas.
  These provisions, as I said, were identical in both the House and the 
Senate versions. In fact, the vote on the Graham amendment was, yes, 
let us eliminate the tax provisions, 22; no, 77. On the Hollings 
amendment, it was yes, 23; no, 74. By 75 percent or better, the Senate 
said, let us keep these international provisions. A significant number 
of those were members of the gentleman's own party, and, as I said in 
committee, his own party's nominee for President voted in favor of 
those provisions, and those are the provisions they are arguing they 
are shipping jobs overseas.
  I would hope that that part of the argument on the side of my 
colleagues on the other side of the aisle would now end because it is 
pretty obvious they do not ship jobs overseas because the Democratic 
Senators would protect jobs here at home, and hopefully, they would 
vote to enhance jobs here at home. As a matter of fact, the rejection 
of the Graham and the Hollings amendments did just exactly that, i.e., 
they support the international tax provisions that are identical in 
both the House and the Senate bill. They do not ship jobs overseas. 
Senator Kerry would not vote for that. Senator Daschle would not vote 
for that. They voted to keep jobs here at home and strengthen America's 
economy. We should not hear another argument on the other side of the 
aisle about shipping jobs overseas.
  Just let me say, if we do, one, it does not make any sense if one 
takes a look at what occurred in the other body in rejecting the 
attempt to remove these provisions; but, two, it does create an 
opportunity to sow seeds of dissent about the fact that, when we try to

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strengthen the private sector, create more jobs, it just does not fit 
their rhetorical pattern. So I think it is fairly ironic that, at the 
very time they are misrepresenting assisting private sector in 
enhancing the economy, that a private entrepreneur with private dollars 
has achieved for the first time reaching the edge of space. I would 
rather look with Burt Rutan up toward the stars and enhance our ability 
to create jobs at home than to argue a position which even members of 
their own party rejected on the Senate side and, wisely, the House 
rejected as well. Let us see if this argument is not made again during 
this debate. It should not be. Let us see if it is.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.


                Announcement by the Speaker Pro Tempore

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Chair would like to clarify that, while 
it is in order to include in debate quotations from Senate proceedings 
for the purpose of establishing legislative history on a matter 
currently under debate in the House, Members may not characterize 
Senate action, as by parsing votes of particular Senators.
  Mr. NEAL of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, could the Speaker clarify 
that further? Was the gentleman from Washington (Mr. McDermott) correct 
in what he said?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. To the extent that remarks include Senators' 
quotations outside of Senate proceedings, they are not in order.
  Mr. NEAL of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I thank the Chair for the 
ruling.
  Mr. THOMAS. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. NEAL of Massachusetts. I yield to the gentleman from California.
  Mr. THOMAS. Mr. Speaker, my understanding of that interpretation is 
that I am not permitted to characterize the vote, and I believe I did 
to a certain extent. And, therefore, what I would like to do is to 
simply emphasize that one of the votes was a rejection of 77 to 22 and 
the other one was a rejection of 74 to 23, and people can reach their 
own conclusion on those votes rather than my presenting a conclusion, 
which was, I thought they were overwhelmingly rejected. I am not 
allowed to say ``overwhelmingly rejected,'' but 77 and 74 can be 
concluded by anyone on their own.
  To that extent, Mr. Speaker, I certainly want to correct the record 
in emphasizing that it was overwhelming rather simply make sure that 
the vote of 77 and 74 noes is on the record.
  Mr. NEAL of Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I 
may consume.
  I thank the gentleman from California (Chairman Thomas) for that 
clarification as well. I hardly think that it is inflammatory rhetoric, 
by the way, which sometimes we are not as good at as some people on the 
other side when it comes to addressing some of these issues, but I 
hardly think it is inflammatory rhetoric to stand in the well of this 
House and to ask the following question: How did a $4.5 billion problem 
become a $130 billion solution? That is really the point of much of the 
debate that is going to follow.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield the balance of my time to the gentleman from 
Michigan (Mr. Levin), ranking member of the Trade Subcommittee of the 
Committee on Ways and Means, and I ask unanimous consent that he be 
allowed to control that time.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the 
gentleman from Massachusetts?
  There was no objection.
  Mr. LEVIN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from 
Washington (Mr. McDermott).
  Mr. McDERMOTT. Mr. Speaker, it is rather amusing to hear the chairman 
of the Committee extolling the virtues of the other body. It is a very 
unusual occurrence here on the floor of the House in that we should 
always follow what the Senate does. That should not be, I think, our 
goal.
  The gentleman from New York's (Mr. Rangel's) motion is among the most 
important votes that this body will take this year. In fact, it may be 
the most important proposals that we have considered since the 
resolution that authorized the President to send people to war in Iraq.
  The legislation that passed out of this House and will be taken up in 
the conference committee aims to raise taxes on domestic companies and 
lower taxes on firms that move oversees. Mr. Speaker, it is wrong to 
raise taxes on U.S. exporters and lower taxes on U.S. firms with 
overseas operations.
  The gentleman from New York's (Mr. Rangel's) motion will instruct our 
House negotiators to make certain that tax incentives that exist for 
corporations moving overseas are not increased. What is wrong with 
that? I mean what is wrong with that?
  I am told, Mr. Speaker, that you instructed Republicans to vote 
against this proposal. You cannot be serious.
  Our trade deficit reached an all-time high this year. Our country is 
selling fewer things to foreigners than we buy from them, which 
explains why the government data says we lost at least 1.5 million jobs 
due to foreign trade and outsourcing since Mr. Bush took office.
  Why do the Republicans respond to this news by increasing tax 
incentives for U.S. firms to move overseas? I mean, I know that the 
President indicated that outsourcing is good, but does the Congress 
believe that? Does the House believe it? The Senate voted 
overwhelmingly. Well, that fixes it.

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  I guess we have got to go along with that. Get your rubber stamp, 
because if you vote against this motion, we are rubber-stamping the 
Bush outsourcing policy.
  U.S. firms are continuing to set up overseas operations because our 
Tax Code and the Bush administration encourage it. Republicans would 
have us believe that high taxes, government regulation, and labor 
unions are making the United States a less attractive place to do 
business. That assertion is bogus.
  First, the Congress's Joint Committee on Taxation says that the 
overall tax burden and the corporate tax burden in the United States 
are among the lowest in the developed world. Corporate U.S. income tax 
revenue as a percentage of GDP is smaller than nearly every other 
developed country on the planet, and it is the lowest level since the 
Second World War.
  Now, although corporate profits surged last year, the corporations 
paid significantly less taxes. The United States is simply the tax 
haven of the developed world.
  Second, the World Bank issued a report 3 weeks ago entitled ``Doing 
Business: Benchmark Business Regulation.'' It compares how regulations 
affect businesses in different countries. The report shows that the 
ability to obtain credit, acquire capital, register property, hire and 
fire workers and enforce contracts, in other words, to start and 
maintain a successful business, is easier in the United States than any 
other developed country, including India and China.
  But, nonetheless, Mr. Speaker, the U.S. firms are relocating overseas 
to save money. Why? It is simple. The Tax Code encourages it. It 
provides tax incentives to U.S. firms who set up any kind of operation, 
from establishing a mailbox in Bermuda or building a factory in China 
overseas.
  Take, for example, the article that appeared in Tax Notes on Monday. 
It shows that companies are using the Tax Code to justify shifting 
profits offshore. The U.S. pharmaceutical industry, who we gave a huge 
bonanza to in this body, has alone, since Bush has taken office, their 
offshore profits have surged 35 percent. I hope the old folks are 
listening to that. But their offshore activities and assets did not 
really change.
  What does this mean? It means that at a time when our country faces 
the challenge of our generation, at a time when the costs of war are 
mounting, the Republicans are protecting a Tax Code that rewards 
corporations for moving profits and jobs offshore.
  You are not only protecting the current Tax Code, Mr. Speaker, but 
unless the House votes to adopt the motion offered by the gentleman 
from New York (Mr. Rangel), the Republican Congress will worsen the Tax 
Code by making offshoring and outsourcing more lucrative.

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  Get out your clippers, Mr. Speaker, because this body is considering 
fleecing American workers and American firms that do business the old-
fashioned way, that produce here to export overseas.
  If John Kerry were President, we could save us from this Congress. He 
has the plan to remove the tax incentives that reward companies that 
move overseas. If he were President, he would veto this legislation 
that this body proposes. But we have got to wait for another 34 or 35 
days. I cannot wait until the 2nd of November.
  Mr. THOMAS. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, perhaps the gentleman from Washington knows his nominee 
better than I do, but the fact that he voted ``yes'' in Finance 
Committee and he suggests that he would veto it if he became President 
would certainly continue the pattern of first he voted yes, then he 
voted no. So I have no evidence to quarrel with him, that once again 
Senator Kerry will again be on both sides of the issue. It is just that 
he will change venues. The behavior does not change. Where he 
continually flip-flops, of course, would.
  The gentleman from Washington also said that unless we pass the 
motion of the gentleman from New York's (Mr. Rangel) motion to 
instruct, we will do something.
  Oh, come on. Everybody knows motions to instruct are not binding. It 
has no influence whatsoever on the conference, unless the conference 
wants to.
  Now, the measures that they are arguing, ``Oh, by the way, did I tell 
you that, notwithstanding the fact the Senate supported overwhelmingly 
the international corporate provisions, and I assume that they believe 
that they will not ship jobs overseas or they would not have voted the 
way that they did, and they probably should not be mentioned again in 
this debate,'' but the very next speaker not only mentioned them, but 
made it the core arguments of his position, that if in fact there are 
23 Senators, 10 of whom are Democrats, they are members of the Finance 
Committee, save for 2, which passed these provisions out of the Senate 
Finance Committee, 19 to 2. And I do not believe they have any 
intention of reversing their position, even if this ludicrous motion to 
instruct were to pass.
  So, I just want you to forbear. We will go through, the time will be 
used up. We will vote down the motion to instruct, and we can then get 
on with the conference. And I can assure you, the senatorial members of 
the conference and a clear majority of the House members of the 
conference intend to support those provisions that will strengthen jobs 
here at home, and they will dismiss, for the obvious reasons, the 
argument that continues to be made by those individuals, even 
encompassing a denial of the Senate's minority leadership's decision-
making ability indicating that we should not listen to them.
  I happen to believe that you should take each issue on its merits and 
not dismiss them by stereotyping, and on this issue, I believe the 
Senate got it right, just as the House got it right.


                Announcement by the Speaker Pro Tempore

  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Aderholt). The Chair would remind 
Members not to characterize positions of Senators.
  Mr. THOMAS. Mr. Speaker, I would inquire of the Chair, characterizing 
a current Senator who is running for another office and what he would 
or would not do would fall under that same admonition?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Senators who are nominated as candidates for 
President--
  Mr. THOMAS. Who are still Senators, and how they would behave, does 
that fall under the same admonition?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Nominated candidates for President are 
judged by the standards applicable to that office.
  Mr. THOMAS. I will accept the nonresponsive answer.
  Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure to yield 3 minutes to the gentleman 
from Texas (Mr. Brady), a member of the Committee on Ways and Means.
  Mr. BRADY of Texas. Mr. Speaker, I thank the chairman for yielding me 
time.
  Mr. Speaker, it is clear I think to the listeners today that we are 
nearing Election Day. This is one of those ``scare America'' type 
motions that is designed to appeal to voters in the hopes that perhaps 
they do not understand the issue and you can just scare them by yelling 
``outsource, outsource, outsource.'' But I think American voters are 
smarter than that.
  What we have done here in the House, our frustration is that we have 
one of the greatest and most productive work forces in the world. But 
our Tax Code works against our companies and our workers and really 
forces people to have to compete somewhere else in the world.
  We are convinced that we can create jobs here in America. So the 
approach we have taken is pretty simple and direct: We lower the tax 
rate for companies and workers that manufacture in America, and we keep 
a higher tax rate for companies that manufacture overseas. Lower if you 
produce in America; higher if you do it overseas. That way we encourage 
American companies and workers to keep the jobs right here.
  For farmers and our agriculture community, we lower the rate if they 
produce here in America; we have a higher rate to tax them if they go 
overseas. That way we keep agriculture-producing income here in 
America.
  For small businesses, rather than take money away from them and bring 
it up here to Washington, we want them to keep dollars back at home so 
they can create jobs and buy that new computer and do the things to 
keep small businesses in business these days in a competitive 
workplace.
  That is what the American jobs bill does, and that commonsense 
approach is what the Senate, including majority and minority Members, 
overwhelmingly supported. They united to lower taxes if you produce 
here in America and have higher taxes if you produce overseas, a 
commonsense approach to American jobs here.
  Let me say this, too. Our problem with trade is not so much that we 
are buying from overseas, it is the fact we are not selling enough 
products overseas. What this does is make our products far more 
competitive.
  What we do is we do not chase American companies overseas anymore, 
and we get a chance, a real direct chance, to take out the job killers 
in our Tax Code and create American jobs here.
  That is what this bill does, and I think every American who really 
studies it, and I think American voters are smart, will see that we 
want to encourage jobs here with a lower tax rate and a higher tax rate 
for companies that try to move overseas. That is what this bill does.
  A final point: If you really want to tackle outsourcing, one of our 
problems is that we have so many job killers in our business climate. 
For example, lawsuit abuse is a huge cost to American businesses. It is 
a bigger cost annually than the cost of Iraq.
  Lawsuit frivolous abuse, because we are the lawsuit capital of the 
world, we outsource our jobs, we drive up health care beyond reach, we 
chase good doctors out of practice. If you really want to stop shipping 
jobs overseas, I would invite my Democratic colleagues to join me in 
ending frivolous lawsuits that drive our jobs overseas, and instead 
work with us to keep them here in the United States.
  Mr. LEVIN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the distinguished 
gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Cardin), my colleague on the Committee on 
Ways and Means.
  Mr. CARDIN. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. 
Levin) for yielding me this time.
  Mr. Speaker, there is a real question as to whether the legislation 
that has moved through this body would encourage the outsourcing of 
U.S. jobs and exporting of jobs or correct a problem in the Tax Code 
that needs to be corrected.
  This is a very serious issue. The Foreign Sales Corporation Act that 
was enacted was an effort to level the playing field for U.S. producers 
versus our trading partners, particularly in Europe. For, you see, we 
have a different

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corporate tax structure than the Europeans have and the Foreign Sales 
Corporation Act was an effort to level the playing field.
  The problem is that the World Trade Organization that we belong to 
declared that to be unlawful and opposed imposed retaliatory tariffs 
against U.S. exports. That tariff is now 11 percent. It will grow to 14 
percent by the end of the year and 17 percent by next March.
  Mr. Speaker, it is unconscionable that we have not corrected this 
situation prior to this time. We had a bipartisan proposal that would 
have fixed the problem. As my friend from Massachusetts pointed out, it 
was a relatively simple matter to fix the problem and to level the 
playing field for U.S. producers so that we can compete fairly 
internationally. But, instead, this legislation has become a Christmas 
tree for every conceivable tax provision, and it has been delayed and 
delayed and delayed, and our producers that manufacture products right 
here in America have paid a heavy price because of that delay.
  The motion to instruct deals with the underlying issue. First, it 
asks for us to immediately resolve this issue, rather than further 
delays. Read the motion, paragraph 4.
  It also says that the relief should be targeted to U.S. producers. 
That is the problem. The Foreign Sales Corporation Act was for U.S. 
producers who produce their products here in America. It is not for 
those who produce their products overseas. It should be targeted, 
because that is what the problem is.
  That is what we are trying to do, is level the playing field. We are 
trying to respond to the World Trade Organization. It is right for us 
to target this relief to those who produce their products right here in 
America. That is the problem we are trying to deal with, and that is 
spelled out in the motion.
  Then lastly, Mr. Speaker, we are saying that we should not be adding 
to the deficit of this country. We had a bipartisan solution that did 
not increase the national debt, but the legislation that passed this 
body certainly did that.

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  Again, it was another opportunity to show that we can be fiscally 
irresponsible.
  We should pay for our tax cuts, and we can so that we do not add to 
the deficit; and this motion urges us to do that.
  Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to support the motion.
  Mr. THOMAS. Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure to yield 3 minutes to the 
gentleman from Florida (Mr. Shaw), a senior member of the Committee on 
Ways and Means.
  Mr. SHAW. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this 
time.
  Mr. Speaker, first of all, I think people listening to this debate 
are somewhat totally confused. In reading the motion, I can understand 
why there is confusion on both sides of the aisle.
  To begin with, the Democrat motion to instruct the conferees to 
strike provisions that move jobs overseas, this instruction is 
absolutely meaningless, because H.R. 4520 does not include any 
provision that would move jobs overseas. As a matter of fact, quite to 
the contrary. We lower rates for people or companies that manufacture 
here in the United States.
  Let me just take one provision of the motion to instruct. It says: 
``shall include the provision of the Senate amendment not included in 
the House bill to ensure that the rate reduction will not be available 
to income attributed to cost savings resulting from purchasing imported 
parts for outsourcing labor overseas.''
  Now, how in the world are companies going to be able to operate in 
trying to segregate exactly what that means? Does that mean for the 
purchase of the agreement, the purchase of the parts? What if those 
parts are not even available here in the United States, and it is a 
question of just shopping the world market to find these parts? And 
then, is it going to include the effect of installation of those parts 
in the final product? It is totally unreasonable.
  We need to fight in this Congress for simplified rules, simplified 
rules that are fair and understandable. And for us to adopt accounting 
procedures that are going to make compliance almost impossible does not 
bring credit upon this body.
  What we need to do is to work forward and look in the mirror when we 
start saying, why are jobs moving overseas? Perhaps we are the problem. 
Perhaps the United States Congress and the Tax Code is the problem. We 
need to simplify the code. We need to move forward. We need to have a 
code that is friendly to those who would provide jobs in this country.
  This motion to instruct does not make a bit of sense, and I would 
urge all of the Members to vote against it.
  Mr. LEVIN. Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure to yield 2\1/2\ minutes to 
the distinguished gentlewoman from Connecticut (Ms. DeLauro).
  Ms. DeLAURO. Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong support of this motion. It 
provides all American business enterprises, large and small, with an 
across-the-board rate reduction from income derived from work done here 
in the United States. To pay for it, it would curtail tax incentives 
that would encourage companies to move operations offshore.
  With 2.5 million manufacturing jobs lost in the last 3 years, 
including nearly 40,000 in my State of Connecticut alone, many 
outsourced to other countries like China and Singapore, we all 
understand that steps must be taken to revive what is the very backbone 
of America's economy.
  Let me just talk about what the business model of the Bush 
administration and the Republican leadership is, because government, in 
fact, is not in the business of creating jobs; but government is about 
creating an environment in which jobs can be created.
  The business model is as follows: assisting companies in sending the 
jobs offshore, technology offshore and, in many instances, allowing 
companies not to pay their fair share of their taxes to the United 
States Government, and then these companies can come around and get 
Federal contracts. That is the business model for this administration; 
and, quite frankly, it does not create jobs here in the United States.
  But by clinging to the idea that we should be rewarding companies who 
send jobs overseas, this majority has delayed action on this issue for 
more than a year. As a result, many manufacturers are now paying 11 
percent tariffs on 1,600 American-made products, tariffs that could be 
as high as 14 percent by the end of the year.
  What manufacturers need from this body is not more incentives to send 
jobs abroad; they need bold vision, recognizing that our Federal Tax 
Code could work for them, not against them, and by favoring those 
companies who keep their jobs here. That is exactly what my colleague's 
motion would do. American companies should not have to resort to 
transferring jobs to countries where workers make less and have fewer 
benefits to stay competitive.
  Americans understand outsourcing. It is eroding our workforce; it has 
threatened every middle-class family in this country. It ought to end 
with helping our manufacturers here at home become more productive, 
more innovative; and if we want to boost sales, investment in 
modernization and employment, the House should pass the Rangel motion.
  As I said, the American public understands outsourcing. I believe 
they are going to outsource some folks on November 2, people who do not 
understand what it means to have their jobs gone, to leave, when we 
could be providing this country's manufacturers with the opportunity to 
be able to stay here, invest in our technology, invest in our workers, 
and promote economic development in the United States.
  Mr. THOMAS. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, I am impressed with the gentlewoman's argument; and, in 
fact, her argument will be sustained if Members vote ``no'' on the 
motion to instruct and we can get on to conference.
  Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure to yield 3 minutes to the gentleman 
from Illinois (Mr. Crane), the ranking Republican on the Committee on 
Ways and Means and the chairman of the Subcommittee on Trade.

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  Mr. CRANE. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this 
time.
  I would like to stress the fact that H.R. 4520 does not include any 
provisions that would move jobs overseas. It does contain provisions 
that would foster economic growth and create jobs here in the United 
States.
  The bill reduces the corporate tax rate to 32 percent only for 
domestic producers, farmers, small corporations, and manufacturers' 
activities within the United States. Manufacturing that occurs overseas 
or offshore would not get the lower rate.
  The bill extends enhanced section 179 expensing for small businesses 
and provides accelerated depreciation for leasehold improvements and 
offers other tax benefits for businesses. Companies with a lower tax 
burden have more resources to expand their business and to create jobs 
in the United States.
  U.S. exporters are getting clobbered by penalty sanctions. Lower 
exports mean a smaller economy and less employment. H.R. 4520 will end 
the sanctions imposed on the exporters, allowing them to expand and 
hire more workers.
  Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to reject the motion to instruct.
  Mr. LEVIN. Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure to yield 5 minutes to the 
gentleman from California (Mr. Becerra), a member of the Committee on 
Ways and Means.
  Mr. BECERRA. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this 
time.
  Mr. Speaker, what we are talking about in this motion to instruct is 
what we should do: send to President Bush a bill to try to help 
American companies create jobs. Secondly, we want to help American 
companies create jobs, some of us at least do, in America, not 
overseas.
  What we are seeing today is a wholesale shipping-out of American jobs 
so that today, when you buy a product, if you look at your home and 
take a look underneath that dish or if you take a look at that chair, 
if you take a look at the curtains and find out what that label says 
about where it was made, chances are it will not say ``made in 
America.''
  It used to be that toys were manufactured here. It used to be that 
your furniture was manufactured here. It used to be that just about 
everything in your home was made in America. Today, virtually nothing 
that you have in your home is made in America. Not only is it the case 
that what was manufactured is no longer made in America, but today, we 
are talking about all sorts of things from data entry, word processing, 
transcription, phoning services, product design, architecture, movie 
production. X-rays are being analyzed overseas for Americans who go to 
see a doctor to find out whether or not there is a particular condition 
or illness they are suffering from. X-rays are being exported for 
analysis today. That is where we are.
  Is it bad? It sure is. Every hour America loses 127 manufacturing 
jobs overseas. That means that there are 3,200 jobs that will be lost 
today as we speak. At the end of the year, 1.2 million American jobs 
will have left.
  My colleague, the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Brady), said this is an 
effort to scare America. My God, if those figures and those facts do 
not scare America, then we are in trouble, because we have to wake up, 
wake up to the fact that we are losing jobs to others overseas, and we 
are giving incentives as a government for us to see American companies 
send those jobs overseas.
  Now, every company has a right, and we should try to help every 
company make a profit; otherwise, they will not be around. But my God, 
if we have an opportunity to use the government to help incent 
companies to keep those jobs in America or create new jobs here in 
America for American workers, then let us do it.
  So why are we here? The bill that stands before us would actually 
give $60 billion worth of incentives to companies who ship those jobs 
from America to overseas.
  Let us change that. This motion to instruct simply says, you will get 
a tax break, you will get that incentive from the government, from the 
people, the 280 million Americans who pay taxes, if you create that job 
not in some other country, but here. That is pretty simple. And by the 
way, this also says, this motion to instruct also says, let us do this 
in a way that does not increase the size of the Federal deficit. We 
have a $440 billion deficit, the largest this country has ever known; 
and this is going to spend money to give incentives to companies, this 
bill will give money to companies through incentives to send jobs 
overseas. That is crazy at a time when we do not have money to begin 
with, and we are losing jobs by the hour.
  If we are going to continue hemorrhaging jobs in America then, by 
God, we should be scared about what is going on. We should not hide the 
facts. We should not try to deceive Americans. We should do everything 
in our power to help the private sector create the jobs that we need.
  The Bureau of Labor Statistics, the Bush administration Bureau of 
Labor Statistics recently revised its prediction on the growth of the 
number of high-tech jobs, white-collar jobs here in America that we 
would have, somewhere between 2002 to about 2012, over that 10-year 
period. They have revised that figure. Not up; they are not saying they 
are going to create more jobs; they are saying 70 percent fewer jobs. 
This is not some left-wing think tank saying we are going to lose jobs; 
this is the Bush administration's Bureau of Labor Statistics saying, 
folks, we made a mistake. When we told you a few years ago that we 
thought we would be expanding the number of high-tech, white-collar, 
good-paying, for the most part, $70,000-and-above-paying jobs, we were 
wrong. Today, guess what? We have to revise that figure down by about 
70 percent.
  Other analyses recently have told us that America is in jeopardy of 
losing a total of about 14 billion jobs into the future if we do not 
stop the hemorrhaging now. Between 300,000 and 500,000 jobs were lost 
in the U.S. since 2001, having gone overseas. That figure, by the way, 
did not come from another left-wing think tank; that came from none 
other than Goldman Sachs. You can go to Wall Street in New York and 
talk to them there, because those are the folks that told us that 
between 300,000 and 500,000 jobs have been lost, simply since 2001 
overseas.
  It is a crisis. Let us deal with it. It is not a scare tactic; it is 
real. Let us pass this motion to instruct.
  Mr. THOMAS. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, I would tell my friend, the gentleman from California, 
that I am a little concerned, because he has admitted that his own 
private purchasing choices are that he buys foreign products, but he is 
here on the floor trying to change the law of the U.S. to not allow 
that to happen. It seems to me that if you are going to be here 
expounding a position of not sending jobs overseas, that your purchase 
pattern should reinforce it.
  A choice that people make in terms of their private purchasing is a 
choice that they control, and he did indicate that in his home there 
are a number of imported products. People have a choice. My hope would 
be that our private behavior corresponds to our public positions, 
because not only does the American Tax Code put us in the current 
position, which we are trying to correct with this legislation, but our 
own private behavior as well.
  Mr. BECERRA. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield on that point?
  Mr. THOMAS. Not on my time. If the gentleman wishes to seek more 
time, I would certainly respond to him.
  Mr. BECERRA. Mr. Speaker, I just want to mention that I have no 
choice, Americans do not have a choice. We cannot buy American products 
for our home.
  Mr. THOMAS. Regular order. You always have a choice.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Aderholt). The gentleman from California 
controls the time.
  Mr. BECERRA. Show me the store that sells American products, and I 
will buy them. Show me the store that sells American products for my 
home, and I will buy them.

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  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from California controls the 
time.
  Mr. THOMAS. Mr. Speaker, perhaps it requires a little bit of endeavor 
and search, but that is what life is about.

                              {time}  1230

  Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure to yield 2 minutes to the gentleman 
from New York (Mr. Houghton), an honored member of the committee.
  Mr. HOUGHTON. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from California (Mr. 
Thomas) for the time.
  I have got to approach this issue from the standpoint of somebody who 
was in business for 35 years. This is a bill whose time has come. 
International commerce is always a balancing act, a balancing act 
between expanding markets overseas and protecting our job base. We did 
not ask for this fight. Europe did, and a man called Pascal Lamy forced 
it.
  The concept in our tax situation, whether it was DSC or FSC or 
whatever, my colleagues want to call it, ETI, was to neutralize the 
differences in the tax system, the regional value-added tax versus our 
income tax, and it was accepted. We did a good job, and we flourished 
under this.
  Then there were grumbles, and then, all of a sudden, Europe came back 
and challenged our position. We should have challenged theirs, but we 
did not, but then we tried to make an accommodation with the World 
Trade Organization, not once, not twice, but three times. It did not 
work.
  So this is the only way it seems to me that we can accommodate the 
European community. It is a good bill. It is not perfect. It does not 
shift jobs abroad. It allows American companies to produce abroad as it 
allows people abroad to produce here in this country, but basically, it 
firms up our economy, and that means it firms up our job base.
  I think it is something we ought to encourage, we ought to support, 
and we ought to defeat the motion to instruct.
  Mr. LEVIN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from 
California (Mr. Becerra).
  Mr. BECERRA. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me time, 
and I want to apologize to the chairman for trying to have him yield me 
some time.
  I just want to make the case I am willing to stay on this floor if 
the gentleman can name me an American product from my home that I can 
purchase, I will look to buy it, but I have looked. Whether it is an 
electronic product, whether it is dishes, whether it is curtains, tell 
me, and I will look to buy it.
  There is no reason why we cannot try to give incentives to American 
companies to be able to produce here at home. If it is a little bit 
more expensive, I guarantee my colleagues the American consumer would 
say, if I have to pay a little bit more for that product, but it is 
made by American hands, I will do so.
  The difficulty is that we have no right using taxpayer dollars to 
help companies ship jobs abroad. That is my point. When we have an 
administration that has actually had a net job loss of the last 3 or 4 
years of close to a million jobs; and by the way, if we did not include 
the government-sector jobs that have been created under a Republican 
administration, that would actually rise to over 1.5 million jobs that 
have been lost. Almost 3 million of those jobs that have been lost have 
been in the manufacturing sector. So if it were not for government jobs 
created, we would have a massive job loss. We do not even create today 
the number of jobs we need just to keep pace with the new people who 
are entering into the system.
  So it becomes very difficult when we are trying to do something to 
see that we are spending $60 billion which will, for the most part, 
help companies who may be American companies, who may have some of 
their operations here, but are still sending jobs abroad. Again, they 
have got to remain competitive. That is not a battle we want to fight. 
What we want to fight, though, is to give incentives to companies who 
are willing to commit to Americans here.
  Mr. THOMAS. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I might consume.
  I suggest the gentleman take a trip to North Carolina, take a look at 
the furniture they have there, made in America, American products, 
American labor. Looking for curtains? There is still a cotton industry 
left. We produce flat goods. Carpets, you want to buy a carpet? They 
make them in Georgia. You want to buy cars? Take a look at American 
cars. You want to buy a radio or a CD player? An area where pretty 
obviously people say we do not have a choice, Bose makes an excellent 
quality American-made radio/CD. China? Glassware? I can go on and on.
  There are products made in America. If you take the time to do it, 
you can help in your private life instead of arguing you are compelled 
to buy foreign products, and you come to the floor and demand that we 
change the laws to stop you from your private behavior.
  Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure to yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman 
from Washington (Ms. Dunn), a member of the Committee on Ways and 
Means.
  Ms. DUNN. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman very much for the time.
  Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to the motion to instruct, and I 
urge my colleagues to vote against it.
  The jobs bill before us is urgently needed. We need it to remove the 
international sanctions put upon our United States products by the 
European Union that are hurting sales of U.S. goods overseas and are 
jeopardizing jobs here in the United States.
  We need the jobs bill to help promote job creation here in the United 
States by reducing taxes on United States manufacturers.
  We need the jobs bill to update provisions in the tax code that are 
decades old and penalize American companies and keep them from 
competing with foreign companies.
  We need the jobs bill to move forward in the spirit of the bipartisan 
progress that has already occurred and has been made on these issues.
  The provisions that some are contesting here on the floor right now 
won bipartisan support in the other body and also here on the House 
floor. This bill is not about moving jobs overseas. It is about 
creating incentives to keep jobs right here in the United States.
  We need to move the jobs bill to conference, and we should do it 
without delay. For these reasons, I urge my colleagues to reject the 
motion to instruct, to support going to conference so that we can bring 
back a conference report that everybody can support.
  Mr. LEVIN. Mr. Speaker, I think we have the right to close, and the 
gentleman from New York (Mr. Rangel) is not here, and I am not sure he 
will be here. We would have divided the balance of the time. He is not 
here because of the memorial service for our distinguished, and if I 
might say, beloved former colleague Frank Horton. So, therefore, under 
those circumstances, I reserve the balance of the time and I will 
close.
  Mr. THOMAS. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman, and all of us who 
served with the gentleman from New York, Frank Horton, certainly feel 
saddened by his passing.
  I will tell the gentleman from Michigan, I have two additional 
speakers, and he has the right to close. We will conclude, and the 
gentleman from Michigan can then close.
  Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure to yield 3 minutes to the gentlewoman 
from Connecticut (Mrs. Johnson), the subcommittee chair of the 
Subcommittee on Health of the Committee on Ways and Means.
  Mrs. JOHNSON of Connecticut. Mr. Speaker, I thank the chairman for 
the time.
  Let us look at this issue of outsourcing. Last year, foreign 
investment in America doubled. That means that other countries 
outsourced jobs to America at twice the rate they had the preceding 
year. We need them to keep doing that!
  Next, in the 1980s, I worked hard with some of my colleagues on the 
other side of the aisle to force Japanese companies producing cars in 
America to buy American parts; not just hire American people, buy 
American parts. We forced them to do it because we did not want 
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  Well, when we produce airplanes in other countries for those 
countries, when GE gets a contract to produce locomotives in Russia and 
rehabilitate all the Russian locomotives, do my colleagues not think 
Russia wants some of those jobs? Do my colleagues not think Russia 
wants some of those parts bought in Russia? Of course, they do, but 
expensive, high-value parts come from New York State and have kept our 
ability to produce locomotives as one of the foremost capabilities in 
the worldwide market.
  So, yes, outsourcing is a worldwide phenomenon, and we are the 
beneficiaries far more often than we are the losers. In net, we are by 
far the winners.
  Secondly, competitiveness, absolutely, top in communications, top in 
medical technologies. Take the Department of Commerce's list of the 18 
top technologies, and we are the highest quality producer and the 
lowest cost producer in two-thirds of them. So, yes, we are driving the 
economic forces of America into the international market, but we must 
do more. We must help our companies compete.
  We must pass this legislation to eliminate the retaliatory tariffs 
that have been put on American goods, thereby increasing their price 
abroad 10 percent and soon to be 15 percent.
  We must reduce taxes on our manufacturers that compete 
internationally. We must do what we do in this bill, make it cheaper 
for them to invest in machinery and equipment and hire more people, and 
yes, we must go further.
  We are going to have to do something to control and reduce health 
care costs so they can compete internationally. We are going to have to 
eliminate frivolous litigation and all the costs that that imposes on 
our industry and particularly on manufacturing, driven by pure greed.
  So let us get with it. Let us pass this bill, and then let us go 
right down the agenda of the things we need to do to make American 
manufacturing more competitive in the international global market, but 
let us not pretend that outsourcing is the villain here. It is 
something we need to be able to do fairly and receive from other 
countries, and I urge opposition to this motion.
  Mr. THOMAS. Mr. Speaker, how much time is left on my side?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Bass). The gentleman from California 
(Mr. Thomas) has 3\1/2\ minutes remaining.
  Mr. THOMAS. Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure to yield 3\1/4\ minutes to 
the gentleman from Louisiana (Mr. McCrery), the chairman of the 
Subcommittee on Select Revenue Measures of the Committee on Ways and 
Means.
  Mr. McCRERY. Mr. Speaker, I thank the chairman for yielding me the 
time.
  Mr. Speaker, this Democratic motion to instruct conferees reflects 
what is their increasingly obvious 19th century state of mind. One 
would think, listening to the comments of our colleagues on the left, 
that we are back in the industrial revolution, or maybe, they have 
moved forward to the first part of the 20th century, mid-20th century, 
maybe even right after World War II, when the United States was not 
only the biggest and baddest bear in the industrial woods but just 
about the only bear in the industrial woods. Those times have changed. 
This is the 21st century. The market has changed significantly.
  One of my colleagues on the Committee on Ways and Means pointed out 
that he learned from Goldman Sachs that, over the last couple of years, 
we have seen 300,000 to 500,000 jobs outsourced, in other words, 
American companies creating 300,000 to 500,000 jobs off our shores in 
foreign countries. That is true.
  But what he did not tell my colleagues and what he could have found 
out at Goldman Sachs or from our own Department of Commerce is that, 
during that same period of time, even more than 300,000 to 500,000 jobs 
were created here in the United States by foreign companies wanting to 
access our market. That is the 21st century market. No longer are we 
building infrastructure to transport American made goods from the east 
coast to the west coast like we did in the 19th century. Those were 
great days, but today, American companies have to build some of their 
things overseas to access those markets, to compete with the numerous 
companies that are in competition with them today, unlike the 19th 
century and mid-20th century.
  In today's market, we dadgum better get over there and compete, or we 
will lose market share, and when we lose market share, we lose income, 
and when we lose income, we are not able to invest, and when we cannot 
invest, we cannot create jobs.
  Get with it. This bill gets with it. It modernizes our tax code. It 
says to our American companies, we realize they have got to compete in 
the world market, not just in the United States market, and oh, by the 
way, if they do produce products here in the United States and sell 
them overseas or even here in the United States, we are going to give 
them a tax cut.
  One of my other colleagues on the Committee on Ways and Means said we 
need to target this tax relief to American manufactured goods. Well, 
guess what, this bill does that. The tax rate cut for manufacturers 
only applies to income derived from the sale of goods manufactured here 
in the United States.
  So this Democratic motion to instruct basically is a bunch of 
hyperbolic language thrown out to scare people, to try to make it seem 
like they are the defenders of American jobs when just the opposite is 
true. This bill, crafted by Republicans, wants to create jobs here in 
the United States, preserve jobs here in the United States.

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  Mr. THOMAS. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time.
  In history, Mr. Speaker, there are those who opposed change, 
modernization. They were called Luddites. Please vote ``no'' on the 
motion to instruct. Do not be a Rangelite.
  Mr. LEVIN. Mr. Speaker, how much time do I have remaining?
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Bass). The gentleman from Michigan has 
6\1/2\ minutes remaining.
  Mr. LEVIN. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time.
  Well, my Republican friend from Louisiana talks about the 21st 
century market and the chairman talks about modernization. So far, 
under those mantras, what has happened is more poverty in America, 
stagnant income for families in America under this administration, and 
millions of fewer jobs, almost 3 million fewer jobs in manufacturing. 
And if you call modernization their Republican tax bills, or if this is 
the 21st century market, just reading from the Detroit News, a rather 
conservative newspaper, summing up material from the CBO, in 2004 the 
average tax cut for the middle-income family is $1,090 and for the 
richest 1 percent it is $78,460.
  I am for a 21st century market, Mr. Speaker, but not for that kind of 
a market. We are for modernization, but not for that kind of 
modernization. We cannot go backwards. We need to move forward. And 
here is what the bill did that came through here and is reflected in 
the dilemma that we have.
  We had a $50 billion problem. The WTO ruled FSC inappropriate under 
WTO rules. What happened was, instead of passing a bill that was a 
bipartisan bill that addressed the manufacturing sector as FSC did, we 
ended up with about a $140 billion bill. Three times as large. And it 
is really larger than that because some of the provisions were to 
expire when they are unlikely to, and there was a delayed phase-in.
  So, essentially, once again we are adding to a deficit because so 
much of this is not paid for. So we had a $50 billion problem. We now 
have a bill three times as large, and it is going to increase the 
deficit.
  Now, let me point out quickly some of the provisions in this motion 
to instruct, because we need to look at the whole document. It says 
that we should accede to the Senate amendment so there is a deduction 
rather than a corporate rate reduction. That is of importance to many 
manufacturing companies in this country. The Senate bill is preferable.

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  Also, we say that this tax amendment should relate to all the 
businesses, not simply limited as in the House bill. We also indicate 
that we should accede to the Senate approach so that the rate reduction 
really reflects the amount of business done in the United States and 
not overseas.
  And then we go on to provide a remedy for corporations that move 
their businesses in form overseas, called inversions, and say that we 
should accept the provisions in the Senate amendment. And we also say 
that we should drop the provision in the House bill that provides for 
private collection of Federal tax liabilities, a horrendous idea that I 
do not think most Americans will accept.
  Now, let me say just a few words about the issue of outsourcing, of 
moving businesses overseas. The House bill had in it a number of 
provisions that will stimulate movement of operations overseas. One of 
them is not in the Senate bill. These are complicated provisions, but 
they have a simple clear-cut impact. The provision, for example, 
relating to tax credit baskets, the House would move it from 9 to 2. 
Essentially, this is going to stimulate the investment of companies in 
tax havens instead of bringing back the monies to the United States. It 
cost $8 billion. It is not in the Senate bill.
  Then there are the so-called look-through provisions that are in both 
bills. Do not say that this will not stimulate movement of jobs 
overseas, because essentially, for a multinational, there will be 
encouragement instead of bringing the profits back here and investing 
them here to move those profits into a third country, often a tax haven 
country. That will stimulate the movement of jobs from here overseas.
  When the Senate voted, they voted for this provision as part of a 
much larger bill that came to include a provision on overtime. So 
members of the Senate were faced with the dilemma of how we attack this 
problem of the elimination of FSC. And we need to do that, but focused 
on manufacturing. Do we look at the problem of overtime? And because 
they did not control the proceedings in the Senate, they were faced 
with a dilemma.
  So let us be clear. You mentioned furniture. Go to North Carolina. Go 
there. China has been taking furniture business away from the United 
States unfairly. Overseas movement is a problem. Outsourcing is a 
problem. Vote for this motion to instruct.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion to instruct 
offered by the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Neal).
  The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that 
the noes appeared to have it.
  Mr. LEVIN. Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground that a 
quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum is not 
present.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to clause 8 of rule XX, further 
proceedings on this question are postponed.
  The point of no quorum is considered withdrawn.

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