[Congressional Record (Bound Edition), Volume 148 (2002), Part 1]
[House]
[Pages 500-503]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov]




            PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY CONTRIBUTION DISCLOSURE ACT

  Mr. HORN. Mr. Speaker, I move to suspend the rules and pass the bill 
(H.R. 577) to require any organization that is established for the 
purpose of raising funds for the creation of a Presidential archival 
depository to disclose the sources and amounts of any funds raised, as 
amended.
  The Clerk read as follows:

                                H.R. 577

       Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of 
     the United States of America in Congress assembled,

     SECTION 1. REQUIREMENT TO DISCLOSE SOURCES AND AMOUNTS OF 
                   FUNDS RAISED FOR PRESIDENTIAL ARCHIVAL 
                   DEPOSITORY.

       (a) In General.--Section 2112 of title 44, United States 
     Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new 
     subsection:
       ``(h)(1) Any organization that is established for the 
     purpose of raising funds for creating, maintaining, 
     expanding, or conducting activities at a Presidential 
     archival depository or any facilities relating to a 
     Presidential archival depository, shall submit to the 
     Administration, the Committee on Governmental Reform of the 
     House of Representatives, and the Committee on Governmental 
     Affairs of the Senate on an annual basis, by not later than 
     the applicable date specified in paragraph (2), information 
     with respect to every contributor who, during the year--
       ``(A) with respect to a Presidential archival depository of 
     a President who currently holds the Office of President or 
     for which the Archivist has not accepted, taken title to, or 
     entered into an agreement to use any land or facility, gave 
     the organization a contribution or contributions (whether 
     monetary or in-kind) totaling $200 or more for the year; or
       ``(B) with respect to a Presidential archival depository of 
     a President who no longer holds the Office of President and 
     for which the Archivist has accepted, taken title to, or 
     entered into an agreement to use any land or facility, gave 
     the organization a contribution or contributions (whether 
     monetary or in-kind) totaling $5000 or more for the year.
       ``(2) For purposes of paragraph (1), the applicable date--
       ``(A) with respect to information required under paragraph 
     (1)(A), shall be January 31 of each year; and
       ``(B) with respect to information required under paragraph 
     (1)(B), shall be May 31 of each year.
       ``(3) As used in this subsection, the term `information' 
     means the following:
       ``(A) The amount or value of each contribution made by a 
     contributor referred to in paragraph (1) in the year covered 
     by the submission.
       ``(B) The source of each such contribution, and the address 
     of the entity or individual that is the source of the 
     contribution.
       ``(C) If the source of such a contribution is an 
     individual, the occupation of the individual.
       ``(D) The date of each such contribution.
       ``(4) The Archivist shall make available to the public 
     through the Internet (or a successor technology readily 
     available to the public) any information that is submitted in 
     accordance with paragraph (1).
       ``(5)(A) It shall be unlawful for any person who makes a 
     contribution described in paragraph (1) to knowingly and 
     willfully submit false material information or omit material 
     information with respect to the contribution to an 
     organization described in such paragraph.
       ``(B) The penalties described in section 1001 of title 18, 
     United States Code, shall apply with respect to a violation 
     of subparagraph (A) in the same manner as a violation 
     described in such section.
       ``(6)(A) It shall be unlawful for any organization 
     described in paragraph (1) to knowingly and willfully submit 
     false material information or omit material information under 
     such paragraph.
       ``(B) The penalties described in section 1001 of title 18, 
     United States Code, shall apply with respect to a violation 
     of subparagraph (A) in the same manner as a violation 
     described in such section.
       ``(7)(A) It shall be unlawful for a person to knowingly and 
     willfully--
       ``(i) make a contribution described in paragraph (1) in the 
     name of another person;
       ``(ii) permit his or her name to be used to effect a 
     contribution described in paragraph (1); or
       ``(iii) accept a contribution described in paragraph (1) 
     that is made by one person in the name of another person.
       ``(B) The penalties set forth in section 309(d) of the 
     Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 (2 U.S.C. 437g(d)) 
     shall apply to a violation of subparagraph (A) in the same 
     manner as if such violation were a violation of section 
     316(b)(3) of such Act.
       ``(8) The Archivist shall promulgate regulations for the 
     purpose of carrying out this subsection.''.
       (b) Applicability.--Section 2112(h) of title 44, United 
     States Code (as added by subsection (a))--
       (1) shall apply to an organization established for the 
     purpose of raising funds for creating, maintaining, 
     expanding, or conducting activities at a Presidential 
     archival depository or any facilities relating to a 
     Presidential archival depository before, on, or after the 
     date of the enactment of this Act; and
       (2) shall only apply with respect to contributions (whether 
     monetary or in-kind) made after the date of the enactment of 
     this Act.

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to the rule, the gentleman from 
California (Mr. Horn) and the gentleman from California (Mr. Waxman) 
each will control 20 minutes.

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  The Chair recognizes the gentleman from California (Mr. Horn).


                             General Leave

  Mr. HORN. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members may 
have 5 legislative days within which to revise and extend their remarks 
on H.R. 577, the bill under consideration.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the 
gentleman from California?
  There was no objection.
  Mr. HORN. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Presidential libraries are a valuable resource for historians, 
faculty professors, and the public. Over the years, Presidential 
libraries have evolved into elaborate institutions. They house the 
official papers of a former President. They have museums. They have 
conference facilities and classrooms.
  The cost of building and maintaining these facilities can be 
substantial. The George Bush Library, located at Texas A&M University, 
cost $22 million from citizens and foundations. Former President 
Clinton's library foundation is attempting to raise $200 million to 
cover the cost of his library complex.
  To establish a Presidential library, representatives of a sitting 
President can set up a private foundation to receive contributions, 
obtain a site, and build a facility. After it is built, the structure 
is deeded over to the Federal Government, along with an operating fund, 
in some cases, and is run by the National Archives.
  Through their private foundations, Presidents and their associates 
are free to raise unlimited amounts of money for their libraries. There 
are no limits on contributions. There is no public disclosure. This 
secretive fund-raising process can become an invitation for abuse or 
accusations of influence peddling.
  H.R. 577, introduced by our distinguished colleague, the gentleman 
from Tennessee (Mr. Duncan), would change that. It would make the fund-
raising process for Presidential libraries transparent and open to 
public scrutiny. It would amend the Presidential Libraries Act to 
require the disclosure of the sources and amounts of funds raised for 
the Presidential libraries.
  The vast majority of individuals who contribute to Presidential 
libraries are well-meaning, public-spirited people. They believe that 
these libraries are a positive contribution to society. They are right. 
However, there are also those who make contributions for less public 
spirited reasons: to gain access and influence. That is why we need 
public disclosure. We have laws requiring public disclosure of 
political contributions. For the same reason, contributions to 
Presidential libraries should be disclosed.
  H.R. 577 would not prohibit or limit contributions to Presidential 
library foundations. This bill simply requires disclosure. It would 
require Presidential library foundations to disclose to Congress and 
the National Archives the amount, source, and date of the contributions 
they receive. The National Archives would be required to make the 
information publicly available over the Internet.
  While a President is in office, or until his library is turned over 
to the National Archives, the foundation would be required to disclose 
contributions totaling $200 or more. After a President leaves office 
and the archivist has accepted title to the facility, the foundation 
would be required to disclose contributions totaling $5,000 or more.
  This bill would make it illegal for either a contributor or a 
foundation to submit false information about a contribution. It would 
also be unlawful for a person to make a contribution in the name of 
another. The bill would apply to all Presidential library foundations. 
But disclosure would only have to be made for contributions received 
after enactment of the legislation.
  A hearing was held on the bill of the gentleman from Tennessee (Mr. 
Duncan) last April, before the Subcommittee on Government Efficiency, 
Financial Management and Intergovernmental Relations, which I chair. 
The subcommittee heard from a number of witnesses, including election 
law experts who supported full disclosure of contributions to 
Presidential libraries. They likened fund-raising for Presidential 
libraries to fund-raising for political campaigns.
  Last May, the bill was approved unanimously by the Committee on 
Government Reform. I hope it will receive the strong bipartisan support 
it deserves on the floor today.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Indiana (Mr. 
Burton), the chairman of the Committee on Government Reform.
  Mr. BURTON of Indiana. I thank the gentleman for yielding me this 
time, and I hope we are not infringing on the minority's time by going 
ahead.
  Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong support of this bill, and I want to 
thank the gentleman from Tennessee (Mr. Duncan) for his hard work on 
this legislation. He has worked on it for a long time, hit a few bumps 
in the road, but it is a good bill and it should pass. I want to 
personally thank him for being a new and more valuable member of our 
committee. He has worked very hard with us.
  I also want to thank the gentleman from California (Mr. Horn), who is 
one of the unsung heroes of the Committee on Government Reform. He 
works probably as hard or harder than anybody on the committee. He 
shepherded this bill through the subcommittee and full committee, and I 
appreciate all the hard work he has been doing for us. We will miss him 
when he leaves next year. He has been a great chairman.
  Mr. Speaker, our Presidential libraries are a valuable part of our 
society. They are monuments to our Presidents. They are places where 
young people can go to learn about history. They are places where 
scholars do serious research. We should be proud of each and every one 
of them.
  However, Presidential libraries cost a lot of money, and that money 
has to be raised from private sources. We all know that when money and 
politics cross paths there is always the potential for mischief, and 
that is why I think public disclosure is so important and why I support 
this bill. When there is secrecy in government, people have doubts; and 
when there is openness in government, people have confidence in their 
government.
  The vast majority of people who give money to Presidential libraries 
do it for the right reasons: they admire the President; they want to 
make a contribution to his legacy; they want to see history preserved. 
And they should be proud of their contributions. But there is always 
going to be those who make contributions for other reasons: to gain 
access to the President and staff; to gain influence. And that is why 
we need public disclosure.
  Right now, you can contribute $1 million to a Presidential library 
while the President is in office and nobody would know about it. That 
is not good for our democracy, and it is not good for the reputations 
of Presidential libraries. That is why we need this legislation.
  We have tried not to make this bill overly burdensome. While a 
President is in office, contributions over $200 have to be disclosed. 
That matches campaign finance law. Once a President is out of office 
and once the library has been turned over to the archives, only 
contributions over $5,000 have to be reported. Those contributions 
already have to be reported every year to the IRS, so the foundations 
already have to keep that information; and we are not asking them to 
create any more work for themselves.
  I am sure that everyone remembers the controversy over President 
Clinton's pardon last year. He pardoned a man named Marc Rich, who was 
an international fugitive. Marc Rich's wife gave $450,000 to President 
Clinton's library foundation. Nobody knew it at the time. So this is a 
perfect example of why we need public disclosure.
  But let us be fair. This is not a Democrat problem, and it is not a 
Republican problem. This system we have is an invitation to abuse no 
matter what party you are from or who occupies the White House. Having 
unlimited contributions in complete secrecy is a recipe for scandal, 
and we are doing the right thing by addressing it today.
  Let me close by repeating what I said in the beginning. We should be 
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our Presidential libraries. They should be places of honor. We wanted 
people to contribute to them and be proud of their contributions. We do 
not want our Presidential libraries to be tainted by accusations of 
influence peddling or frauds. Public disclosure is the right thing to 
do; and, therefore, I urge all of my colleagues to support this bill.
  Mr. WAXMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  I rise in support of H.R. 577. This bill began with the principle 
that all contributions to foundations that support Presidential 
libraries should be made public. That is a principle that I strongly 
support.

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  Mr. Speaker, this bill is a bipartisan product. The gentleman from 
Indiana (Mr. Burton) and the gentleman from California (Mr. Horn) have 
worked with us to produce a bill both sides can support. The 
gentlewoman from Illinois (Ms. Schakowsky), the ranking member of the 
subcommittee, made an especially valuable contribution. The 
gentlewoman's amendment lowered the threshold for reporting to $200 
during the years of active fund-raising.
  Unfortunately, this bill does not include a provision that would 
apply these principles of disclosure to foundations in the names of 
Members of Congress. Such an amendment was considered and adopted in 
committee. However, it was dropped from the version that we are 
considering today. The gentleman from Indiana (Mr. Burton) has agreed 
to work with us to develop that concept as stand alone legislation, and 
I look forward to bringing it to the floor later this year.
  We live in an era where large corporations and wealthy individuals 
use money to gain access to policymakers. That access can easily turn 
into influence, and the process of developing public policy can become 
distorted. Today's bill is a step forward in curbing these trends. H.R. 
577 provides the public the information it needs to judge the behavior 
of those it elects. I urge my colleagues to support this bill.
  Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. HORN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from 
Tennessee (Mr. Duncan), the author of this very fine piece of 
legislation.
  Mr. DUNCAN. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from California (Mr. 
Horn) for yielding me this time, and for the gentleman's very strong 
support of this legislation. As the gentleman from Indiana (Mr. Burton) 
mentioned, the gentleman from California (Mr. Horn) has shepherded this 
through the legislative process in the Subcommittee on Government 
Efficiency, Financial Management and Intergovernmental Relations and in 
the Committee on Government Reform. The gentleman has been an 
outstanding Member of this body for many years. I thank the gentleman 
from Indiana (Mr. Burton) for his support and the gentleman from 
California (Mr. Waxman), the ranking member, for his support of this 
legislation.
  I rise to urge support for the Presidential library contribution 
disclosure bill that I first introduced in the last Congress. I believe 
this is common-sense legislation. It simply requires disclosure, public 
disclosure, of donations and donors to Presidential libraries.
  I first introduced this bill in 1999, many months before anyone heard 
of Marc Rich or the Presidential pardons that the gentleman mentioned a 
few minutes ago. I introduced this bill because I felt the public 
should be made aware of possible conflicts of interest the sitting 
Presidents could have while raising funds for their libraries. In most 
cases we do not know who these donors are or what interests they may 
have on any pending policy decisions.
  This bill will shed light on an otherwise secretive process. With 
disclosure, the public is able to draw its own conclusions about 
whether conflicts of interest are present. Without it, the appearance 
of impropriety could often exist.
  This bill is not aimed at any one President in particular. This is a 
problem that can be faced by Democrat and Republican Presidents alike. 
This bill does not prohibit or limit contributions to these 
organizations. It simply requires disclosure of the name of the donor 
and the amount donated.
  Mr. Speaker, no one should be against this bill unless for some 
reason they want to keep this process secret.
  I also want to say that I understand the concerns of those who say it 
is impossible to influence a deceased President, and I agree. We may be 
able to address this concern and the concern that the gentleman from 
California (Mr. Waxman) mentioned later on.
  As others have mentioned, these Presidential libraries serve a good 
and noble purpose in our Nation. However, they should not serve as a 
way for Presidential foundations to peddle influence to the highest 
bidder.
  Mr. Speaker, the organization Vote.com ran a poll and received almost 
26,000 votes over the Internet, and 94 percent of those 26,000 who 
voted on this issue voted for it in a poll that ended September 13, 
2001. Ninety-four percent supported this bill. Larry Noble, executive 
director of the Center for Responsive Politics, at our hearing that we 
held on this bill in the subcommittee said, ``The potential for real 
and apparent corruption that this fund-raising brings is obvious. The 
public, however, is still in the dark with regard to several back-door 
ways of buying influence in Washington. One of them is the funding of 
Presidential libraries.''
  Scott Harshbarger, president of Common Cause, said, ``Presidents 
should not be in the business of raising funds for their libraries 
while in office. Gifts to the library can be a powerful means to secure 
access and influence at the White House, especially with a President 
eager to burnish his legacy.''
  Kenneth Gross, who is an attorney who is a specialist in this type of 
fund-raising, said, ``The bill will prevent donors from sidestepping 
disclosure by agreeing, pledging or promising, while the President 
remains in office, to make contributions to a Presidential library 
after the term has expired.''
  Mr. Speaker, I think this is good legislation. I think it is 
legislation that almost all of our colleagues can and should support. 
As I said, it just sheds lights on an otherwise secretive process, and 
I urge support for H.R. 577.
  Mr. WAXMAN. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. HORN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from 
Connecticut (Mr. Shays), a key member of the Committee on Government 
Reform.
  Mr. SHAYS. Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong support of H.R. 577. I wish 
I was a cosponsor of the bill. I commend the gentleman from Tennessee 
(Mr. Duncan) and my colleagues on the other side of the aisle for 
working to pass this legislation.
  Presidential libraries date back to the Rutherford B. Hayes Memorial 
Library's completion in Fremont, Ohio, in 1914, and since that time 
have become an important part of our national heritage and history. 
Their value to students, historians and visitors from all over America 
and the world is tremendous.
  Since the completion of the Hayes library, the size, popularity and 
cost of Presidential libraries has increased exponentially. Libraries 
have evolved into elaborate centers that, in addition to housing the 
official papers and records of former Presidents, often include 
museums, conference facilities and classrooms. As a result, the need 
for donations for their creation and maintenance has increased, but 
disclosure of these donations has not.
  In my judgment, the more information the public has, particularly of 
sitting Presidents, the better. Under this bill, a sitting President 
would be required to disclose library contributions of $200 or more 
annually to Congress and to the National Archives. In addition, under 
the bill, once a President has left office, library contributions of 
$5,000 or more must be reported. Just as we need to know who is giving 
campaign contributions to politicians, so, too, the public needs to 
know who is contributing to sitting Presidents.
  Our hearings on Marc Rich last year, which were bipartisan, obviously 
pointed out the need to carry forward with this bill. It gave us the 
added impetus to move forward, and I thank Members

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on both sides of the aisle for supporting it.
  Mr. WAXMAN. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. HORN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 4 minutes to the gentleman from 
California (Mr. Ose), a very able chairman of the Subcommittee on 
Efficiency, Financial Management, and Intergovernmental Relations.
  Mr. OSE. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this 
time.
  Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of H.R. 577, a bill to require the 
annual disclosure of the sources and amount of funds raised to create, 
maintain or expand a Presidential library. In addition, the bill 
requires the National Archives and Records Administration, known as 
NARA, to post this information on the Internet. The transparency 
provisions in this good government bill should help ensure that donors 
are not afforded an unfair advantage in the policymaking process or 
other governmental benefits.
  On March 15, 2001, I introduced a companion bill, H.R. 1081, 
Accountability for Presidential Gifts Act. Its prime objective is to 
establish responsibility in one agency, NARA, for the receipt, 
valuation and disposition of Presidential gifts. It, too, seeks to 
ensure that there is no unfair advantage to donors in the policymaking 
process or in the receipt of other governmental benefits.
  Common Cause president Scott Harshbarger and Dr. Paul Light, 
director, Center for Public Service of the Brookings Institution, 
testified in favor of the disclosure provisions of H.R. 577 at the 
April 5 hearing of the Committee of Government Reform, Subcommittee on 
Government Efficiency, Financial Management and Intergovernmental 
Relations.
  Mr. Speaker, I agree with these good government advocates, and I 
applaud the initiative of the gentleman from Tennessee (Mr. Duncan) in 
pursuing this important change in law.
  Mr. WAXMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
  Mr. Speaker, I underscore my support for this legislation because I 
believe there ought to be full reporting by those who give donations, 
whether it is to campaigns or even to libraries. We need disclosure 
because some may have political hope that in exchange for their 
contribution or gift, they may receive some influence.
  That is why I strongly support, and hope my colleagues who are going 
to support this bill will join me in supporting, similar legislation 
regarding Members of Congress, when they set up foundations or 
libraries or other attributes to themselves and receive contributions 
from outside sources. They also should be required to report donations. 
At one point we had such reporting in this legislation, but we did not 
want to in any way endanger this piece of legislation because it is a 
good bill. It is the right thing to do to pass this bill. But I hope to 
get full disclosure of those donations to Members of Congress, just as 
we want full disclosure of those donations to Presidential libraries. 
All foundation donations, all donations similar to campaign 
contributions, should be disclosed because the giver may hope to gain 
some influence. All donations ought to be on the table, ought to be 
publicly disclosed.
  Mr. Speaker, I join my colleagues today in supporting the bill that 
is before us. I hope later in the year we will be able to carry the 
other bill to the House floor so we will follow in the path that is 
being set in this legislation, that the public has the right to know 
who is funding what when it comes to anything to do with politics. I 
think that is the way to assure the American people that they have all 
information and the American people will make of it what they will.
  Mr. HORN. Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he may consume to the 
gentleman from Tennessee (Mr. Duncan) to thank the staff who worked on 
this legislation.
  Mr. DUNCAN. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to thank Bert Robinson of my 
staff, who has done an outstanding job on this bill. He has been 
working on it for many, many months. I also want to thank those on the 
committee staff who have helped us with this legislation, Jim Wilson, 
Kevin Binger, David Kass, Randy Kaplan, and Russell George; and 
Michelle Ash and David McMillen from the minority staff. All have been 
very, very helpful on this legislation, and I thank them at this time.
  Ms. SCHAKOWSKY. Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of H.R. 577, a bill to 
Require Disclosure of the funding sources for Presidential Libraries. I 
want to congratulate and thank the author of this measure, the Chairman 
of the Government Reform Committee, the Chairman of the Government 
Efficiency Subcommittee, and our ranking member, the gentleman from 
California for his efforts to improve this legislation. The 
improvements that were made to this bill prior to floor consideration 
are due in large part to his efforts and he should be commended.
  While I rise in support of this measure today, I do not believe this 
bill goes far enough. I am disappointed that one of the amendments I 
offered in the Government Reform Committee and which was included in 
the Committee-passed bill, is not a part of the measure we are debating 
today. The provision would have made congressional foundations disclose 
funding sources as well. I offered that provision because I believe 
that members of Congress should be at least as accountable to the 
public as we expect the President to be. Congressional foundations and 
the members that run them should make public the sources of major 
funding they receive to prevent any accusations of undue influence on 
the legislative process.
  H.R. 577 requires the disclosure of the sources and amounts of 
donations made to foundations raising money to build and maintain 
presidential libraries. I am pleased that the measure we are debating 
includes an amendment of mine that passed in Committee to reduce the 
disclosure requirement for donations to $200 or more. That is the same 
level of the requirement that currently exists for congressional 
campaigns and it is a valuable component of the legislation we are 
debating today. The bill provides that once the National Archives and 
Records Administration assumes the responsibility for the presidential 
library in question, the threshold for such disclosure would be raised 
to $5,000.
  Again, Mr. Speaker, I support the goals of H.R. 577 but believe the 
Congress needs to go further. I hope that this year, my colleagues on 
both sides of the aisle will support stand-alone legislation I plan to 
introduce that will impose funding disclosure requirements on 
congressional foundations.
  I urge all members to vote in support of H.R. 577 and look forward to 
working with my colleagues on related issues in the time to come.

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  Mr. WAXMAN. Mr. Speaker, I have no further requests for time, and I 
yield back the balance of my time.
  Mr. HORN. Mr. Speaker, I urge the adoption of this measure.
  Mr. Speaker, I have no further requests for time, and I yield back 
the balance of my time.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Otter). The question is on the motion 
offered by the gentleman from California (Mr. Horn) that the House 
suspend the rules and pass the bill, H.R. 577, as amended.
  The question was taken.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. In the opinion of the Chair, two-thirds of 
those present have voted in the affirmative.
  Mr. HORN. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
  The yeas and nays were ordered.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to clause 8 of rule XX and the 
Chair's prior announcement, further proceedings on this motion will be 
postponed.

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